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2012-12-29 01:46:04 AM

sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.


5 O'clock, biatch rapin' time

/obscure?

They have 6 suspects. Who know's if it's the right guys, or 6 random guys off the street to sate the public outrage.
 
2012-12-29 01:49:16 AM

whatshisname: cmb53208: India is the pinnacle of civilization, and we should especially follow their lead on women's rights and honest government!

And yet it's fine for frat boys in a country now famous for their mass murders of children to make ignorant, ill-informed judgments on a country they have no clue about?


I didnt say that, in fact Ive spoken out against frat boys getting away with date raoe and other things on this very site. But does that mean that India doesnt use religion and the ignorance to keep themselves in power?
 
2012-12-29 01:49:59 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


Nice

0/10 just because farkers are smarter than that.
 
2012-12-29 01:57:58 AM

sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.


I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?
 
2012-12-29 02:02:54 AM
"Passed away peacefully," my ass. She was fighting so hard not to die.
 
2012-12-29 02:04:54 AM
Fark this shiat. Fark it all to hell. I hope the people will keep making a huge stink over this until their society and culture will not accept this kind of crap anymore. I had no idea until recently this kind of repugnant behavior was remotely tolerated over there. I've always wanted to see India, but shiat like this makes me think twice. Ugh.
 
2012-12-29 02:09:26 AM
India needs a secular socialist government without any influence from religion. It seems that the Maoists in India were right after all.
 
2012-12-29 02:09:41 AM

OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.


Yes. Then burn the corpses.
 
2012-12-29 02:12:03 AM

moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India that people are finally talking about and have always happened?


Fixed that, sahib.
 
2012-12-29 02:12:03 AM
Sad thing happening.

The only good thing in this is that it finally woke Indians on the problem of rape and police inaction about it. Fark had the trifecta on indian rape because the local press is now picking up so many stories of police protecting the bad guys, they have enough to write for months after the main case is done.
 
2012-12-29 02:13:03 AM

omeganuepsilon: They have 6 suspects. Who know's if it's the right guys, or 6 random guys off the street to sate the public outrage.


The Times of India reports that two have confessed and one was identified by the male beating victim, and they probably named the others to save their own skins.
 
2012-12-29 02:13:50 AM

whatshisname: cmb53208: India is the pinnacle of civilization, and we should especially follow their lead on women's rights and honest government!

And yet it's fine for frat boys in a country now famous for their mass murders of children to make ignorant, ill-informed judgments on a country they have no clue about?


India has a long history of scams involving dishonest government. To get a sense of the history and size of these scams check out this two minute video.

Scams of India - A Summary Of Scams from 1947 to 2010
 
2012-12-29 02:14:04 AM
Don't worry everyone, karma's got this.
 
2012-12-29 02:15:58 AM

SweetHomeNowhere: India needs a secular socialist government without any influence from religion. It seems that the Maoists in India were right after all.


"Socialist"? Why? They tried that back when it was fashionable. They went nowhere economically.
 
2012-12-29 02:16:47 AM

Chinchillazilla: OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.

Yes. Then burn the corpses.


No, that's what's normally done over there. Grind them into fish food or something.
 
2012-12-29 02:17:53 AM

Strongbeerrules: Well, that's it. I'm boycotting the Tata Nano.

Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


The bigotry in this thread is truly shameful. I suspect I'm the only poster who has actually been to India, and while it is a desperately poor country, it has an ancient culture and wonderful people doing what they can with what they have.

What has India given the world?

wikitravel.org

0.tqn.com

www.dreamstime.com
And the sculptures of Khajurao (which are fairly NSFW so here's a link)
 
2012-12-29 02:19:10 AM

Ronin_S: Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.


All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.

They should understand the suffering they have caused.
 
2012-12-29 02:22:55 AM

REO-Weedwagon: How was she dressed?


In a bodybag :(
 
2012-12-29 02:25:16 AM

RedVentrue: Ronin_S: Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.

All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.

They should understand the suffering they have caused.


Not the ears, they get to keep their ears. To the pain.
 
2012-12-29 02:26:20 AM

brandent: sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.

I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?


Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.
 
2012-12-29 02:27:39 AM

JohnAnnArbor: Chinchillazilla: OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.

Yes. Then burn the corpses.

No, that's what's normally done over there. Grind them into fish food or something.


Good point. Feed them to rats and stray dogs in the street.

I'm normally compassionate and peaceful, but I would go Hellraiser on these bastards. I think I could be pretty creative.
 
2012-12-29 02:28:02 AM
No hope.
 
2012-12-29 02:28:45 AM

JohnAnnArbor: Chinchillazilla: OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.

Yes. Then burn the corpses.

No, that's what's normally done over there. Grind them into fish food or something.


Feed them to pigs.
 
2012-12-29 02:30:55 AM

redheededstepchild: RedVentrue: Ronin_S: Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.

All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.

They should understand the suffering they have caused.

Not the ears, they get to keep their ears. To the pain.


A good idea is a good idea, and yeah, that was the inspiration.
 
2012-12-29 02:31:49 AM

ZeroPly: Ram Singh - Sikh
Mukesh Singh - Sikh
Vinay Sharma - Hindu
Pawan Gupta - Hindu or Jain
Akshay Thakur - HIndu
Raju - no way to tell


A Singh could easily be Hindu. It's a fairly common name for Rajputs and other Kshatriya ("warrior") castes. That's one of the reasons the Sikhs adopted it.
But otherwise, from their employment and home towns, they appear to be a pretty diverse group. Not even real gangbangers, just some random guys who got drunk and decided to go wilding. They apparently stole the bus and used it to troll for victims...
 
2012-12-29 02:35:22 AM

RedVentrue: Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.


Sort of..

Patriarchy is also woven into most major religions, and can hang on even after religion is shed(as in the US, but we're improving * crosses fingers *).

Not the same thing, but often so entwined as to be not necessarily distinct from eachother.
 
2012-12-29 02:37:11 AM

fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

This is the reaction in India.

In this country the reaction would have been: "She shouldn't have been where she was."
"She told them 'no' but she meant 'yes.' "

"She should have been packin' heat."
 
2012-12-29 02:37:36 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: scubamage: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%

Yes. The Muslim part of India is called Pakistan.


Oh dear...

Pakistan hasn't been the "Muslim part of India" since 1947.

India: When on a given day you are making Pakistan look good, you are doing something really wrong.
 
2012-12-29 02:37:53 AM

Ed Finnerty: She didn't get pregnant so I can only assume this wasn't legitimate rape.


No, no, you have it backward.  When we don't get pregnant, it *is* legitimate rape because our Magic VaginasTM recognized all that unwanted attention and activity and shut the whole thing down.  Pregnancy means we (and Jesus, and his sky wizard dad) wanted it.

She must have been dressed provocatively.
And she was probably drunk.
And those men on the bus had obviously been cuckolded by the Feminist Agenda and could no longer withold their righteous indignation and sexual frustration.
And she was also probably really hot and flaunted it in their faces.
And they couldn't help themselves because men have no control over their sexual urges.
And this was all just an expression of sexual desire gone wrong, and has nothing to do with the routine objectification and contempt for women that is rampant in <b>many</b> societies.
And it certainly has nothing to do with <i>some</i> men feeling entitled to sexual satisfaction and compliance, or a desire to dominate and humiliate those they feel are weaker or lesser than themselves.

/Right, Fark?
//<i>Right?</i>
 
2012-12-29 02:38:40 AM

OgreMagi: The problem is the police generally refuse to do anything and say the woman are whores so they deserved it.


So, not much different than the USA, in other words.
 
2012-12-29 02:39:33 AM
She "passed away peacefully" with her family and officials of the Indian Embassy by her side, Dr. Kevin Loh, the chief executive of Mount Elizabeth Hospital, said in a statement.

No. No she didn't. She passed away in anger and fear. My SO was raped and it haunts her to this day.

I've always wondered if I have the skill to kill a man with my bare hands. Maybe. Maybe not. But I'd love to try. Motherf*ckers. When you rape a woman, all that tells me is that you're a weak man. Yeah, a pussy. You heard me.

/ITG, but still
 
2012-12-29 02:42:43 AM

BroncoFan_17: TigersorHawksorBoth: fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.

nah, death penalty for those who kill several people.

So several pieces of sh8t could gang rape and beat your daughter to death, on a bus, and you'd be cool with them only getting life in prison as long as they didn't shoot the bus driver to death, too?

F*ck that. If it's in your being to be able to do this to another human being, we don't need your services on this planet anymore......and I damned sure shouldn't have to pay to feed, clothe, house and even "protect" you until you die of natural causes.



If I were a rapist, and knew I would get the death penalty for raping a girl, there's a better than likely chance I'll also murder her so that there's less chance of her identifying me to the police. Placing the death penalty on non murder related crimes might actually cause more murders to occur as the perpetrators try to cover up their crimes so they don't end up in the noose.
 
2012-12-29 02:42:47 AM

Strongbeerrules: Well, that's it. I'm boycotting the Tata Nano.

Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?

www.pbs.org

The so-called Arabic numerals and the Taj Mahaj, to name two off the top of my head.
 
2012-12-29 02:45:26 AM
Wow, saw this news like last night on both Digg and Reddit
 
2012-12-29 02:46:09 AM

omeganuepsilon: RedVentrue: Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.

Sort of..

Patriarchy is also woven into most major religions, and can hang on even after religion is shed(as in the US, but we're improving * crosses fingers *).

Not the same thing, but often so entwined as to be not necessarily distinct from eachother.


Right! In this case, however, Hindu religion teaches respect for women, the culture is what is repressive. I believe this is due to 800 years or so of Muslim rule. Abrahamic religions ARE repressive towards women, and have been throughout their history.
 
2012-12-29 02:51:21 AM

NativeDaughter: She must have been dressed provocatively.
And she was probably drunk.


I get the point you're trying to make.

Ther'es a fine line between blaming the victim (which is wrong), and pointing out that the victim voluntarily engaged in reckless or negligent behavior which contributed to the circumstances of the crime.

If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Contributory negligence and attractive nuisance are well-established legal doctrines.
 
2012-12-29 02:52:06 AM

clyph: OgreMagi: The problem is the police generally refuse to do anything and say the woman are whores so they deserved it.

So, not much different than the USA, in other words.


What decade do you live in?
 
2012-12-29 02:57:36 AM

clyph: NativeDaughter: She must have been dressed provocatively.
And she was probably drunk.

I get the point you're trying to make.

Ther'es a fine line between blaming the victim (which is wrong), and pointing out that the victim voluntarily engaged in reckless or negligent behavior which contributed to the circumstances of the crime.

If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Contributory negligence and attractive nuisance are well-established legal doctrines.


Are you saying a vagina is an attractive nuisance and a woman needs to put up a fence around it?
 
2012-12-29 02:57:52 AM
I think we should have the death penalty for rape here in North America as well. Same thing for child abuse.

If you can't control your sexual urges to the point that you force yourself on women and children with violence the you don't deserve to live in civilized society.

These scum should be hanged in public as to serve as a warning to other asshole perverts.
 
2012-12-29 03:01:55 AM

Chinchillazilla: Are you saying a vagina is an attractive nuisance and a woman needs to put up a fence around it?


No, I'm saying that women aren't exempt from exercising personal responsibility and good judgement. Equality works both ways
 
2012-12-29 03:05:03 AM

ZeroPly: scubamage: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%


If Bernie Silverstein and Laquanda Jones rob a bank in the US, you don't have to assume that they're both white and Christian. Anyways, based on last names:

Ram Singh - Sikh
Mukesh Singh - Sikh
Vinay Sharma - Hindu
Pawan Gupta - Hindu or Jain
Akshay Thakur - HIndu
Raju - no way to tell

Bear in mind that many Hindu families who have converted to Christianity keep their names, so they might be Christian as well. Hate to rain on the parade, but it looks like a multidenominational gang-rape squad...


Just for the record, the last name Singh is often Sikh, but doesn't have to be; there are Hindus also with Singh as a last name. And Raju is almost certainly Hindu. Christians are a very small part of the population in northern India, so statistically speaking it's unlikely that any of the attackers are Christian.

How do things like this happen? It might have started out very simply with the asshole attackers deciding to make assumptions about how "easy" the woman was since she was out at night with just her boyfriend, and no other family member as chaperone. Understand that dating as we know it in the western world is still pretty uncommon over most of India, so being in a big city like Delhi (which already is known for sexual harassment issues) is no shield from, shall we say, provincial attitudes. And over there, the religious/moral conservatives tend also to be Hindu nationalists (see for example this over-the-top diatribe on Valentine's Day by a Hindu nationalist group).

India is a big country, with many diverse subcultures. But common themes, especially among the more "village-minded," are the second-class status of women, and a certain societal disregard or fatalistic attitude about the value of individual lives.

As an American woman traveling in northern India for work, including some places off the usual tourist routes, I was outwardly accorded a greater degree of respect than my female Indian colleagues (yay for the lingering cultural effects of British imperialism). But I was also warned not to go out by myself, not to look too directly at people I was unacquainted with, and for damn sure not to smile at anyone I didn't already know. These latter two things apparently are interpreted as a come-on, even moreso for someone like me since, of course, it is well-known how loose the morals of western women are. /sarcasm

I wish the women of India well, but I'm afraid that ultimately these protests will go nowhere, since for now the folks in power don't know how else to be, with literally centuries of social conservatism ingrained in the general culture.
 
2012-12-29 03:12:42 AM

RedVentrue: Ronin_S: Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.

All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.

They should understand the suffering they have caused.


fark that. Just kill them,.
 
2012-12-29 03:15:11 AM

clyph: Chinchillazilla: Are you saying a vagina is an attractive nuisance and a woman needs to put up a fence around it?

No, I'm saying that women aren't exempt from exercising personal responsibility and good judgement. Equality works both ways


I'm curious what kind of judgement could have helped her avoid this situation. She was not alone. She got on what she thought was a normal bus. Suddenly she was attacked by six men with a pipe. What exactly should she have done, Monday morning quarterbacker?
 
2012-12-29 03:19:41 AM

Lydia_C: ZeroPly: scubamage: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%


If Bernie Silverstein and Laquanda Jones rob a bank in the US, you don't have to assume that they're both white and Christian. Anyways, based on last names:

Ram Singh - Sikh
Mukesh Singh - Sikh
Vinay Sharma - Hindu
Pawan Gupta - Hindu or Jain
Akshay Thakur - HIndu
Raju - no way to tell

Bear in mind that many Hindu families who have converted to Christianity keep their names, so they might be Christian as well. Hate to rain on the parade, but it looks like a multidenominational gang-rape squad...

Just for the record, the last name Singh is often Sikh, but doesn't have to be; there are Hindus also with Singh as a last name. And Raju is almost certainly Hindu. Christians are a very small part of the population in northern India, so statistically speaking it's unlikely that any of the attackers are Christian.

How do things like this happen? It might have started out very simply with the asshole attackers deciding to make assumptions about how "easy" the woman was since she was out at night with just her boyfriend, and no other family member as chaperone. Understand that dating as we know it in the western world is still pretty uncommon over most of India, so being in a big city like Delhi (which already is known for sexual harassment issues) is no shield from, shall we say, provincial attitudes. And over there, the religious/moral conservatives tend also to be Hindu nationalists (see for example this over-the-top diatribe on Valentine's Day by a Hindu nationalist group).

India is a big country, with many diverse subcultures. But common themes, especially among the more "village-minded," are the second-class status of women, and a certain societal disregard or fatalistic attitude about the value of individual lives.

As an American woman traveling in n ...


Spot on.
 
2012-12-29 03:27:22 AM
Bad things. That is what is in the future.
 
2012-12-29 03:28:40 AM

Chinchillazilla: I'm curious what kind of judgement could have helped her avoid this situation. She was not alone. She got on what she thought was a normal bus. Suddenly she was attacked by six men with a pipe. What exactly should she have done, Monday morning quarterbacker?


None whatsoever. This is not the kind of situation that I'm talking about. She was behaving in a reasonable and prudent manner, and still got attacked. No contributory negligence in this case.

The way NaitiveDaughter is talking, she believes that a woman has a god-given right to get blackout drunk and walk around a biker bar wearing a see-thru thong bikini with complete impunity, and if something does happen to her she bears absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for putting herself in that situation.

It would be nice if that was the kind of world we lived in, where everyone was decent and respected everyone else's rights, and never took advantage of them when they let their guard down. It would be nice if we lived in a world where we could leave our front doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition of our cars.

But we don't live in that world. We live in a world inhabited by (a small number) of monsters and predators, and we ignore that fact to our own peril. Ultimately, you have to look out for yourself and take responsibility for your safety and your own actions. Furthermore, the law recognizes this fact by saying that we don't get to play the victim card (or at least only get to play it for reduced value) if we willfully abdicate our responsibility to take reasonable precautions.
 
2012-12-29 03:33:49 AM

clyph: Ther'es a fine line between blaming the victim (which is wrong), and pointing out that the victim voluntarily engaged in reckless or negligent behavior which contributed to the circumstances of the crime.

If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Contributory negligence and attractive nuisance are well-established legal doctrines.


What the rapist is going to sue the victim for having an overly attractive hoo haa? Put it this way, when the cops catch you pushing a shopping cart loaded with merchandise out the door of a business after hours, your claims that the door was not only unlocked but wide open will not impress them much, nor the judge, nor your fellow prisoners at the pokie.

Personally though, it's obvious you have no idea what women have to put with.
 
2012-12-29 03:35:11 AM
Six of one, half-dozen of another...

In 2010, 8391 dowry death cases were reported across India, meaning a bride was burned every 90 minutes, according to statistics recently released by the National Crime Records Bureau....

...If her family either declined to pay or were simply unable to do so, many in-laws in connivance with their sons forced the bride into an flammable nylon sari, doused her with paraffin and set her alight, claiming she had caught fire whilst cooking.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9108642/Indian-d o wry-deaths-on-the-rise.html
 
2012-12-29 03:35:38 AM

rev. dave: Bad things. That is what is in the future.


The really sad part of all this is it doesn't have to be that way.
 
2012-12-29 03:36:12 AM
Considering how long it took the police to arrest anyone and given what I know about India I'd be shocked if all 6 men were the actual rapists.
 
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