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2012-12-28 11:50:21 PM
The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.
 
2012-12-29 12:09:04 AM

fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.


nah, death penalty for those who kill several people.
 
2012-12-29 12:09:39 AM
You're needed in India, Frank Castle.....
 
2012-12-29 12:09:55 AM
In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.
 
2012-12-29 12:10:01 AM
I've really never heard of anything quite like it from India, but I could have just missed it. Not that it matters.
 
2012-12-29 12:10:42 AM
I find it disturbing that we've had an "India gang rape" trifecta this week
 
2012-12-29 12:11:28 AM
fark. Just ... fark. Goddammitallsomuch. We're nothing but rats, really.
 
2012-12-29 12:12:00 AM
Sad. I wonder how good her medical care would have been if she'd not had hundreds protesting in her favor.
 
2012-12-29 12:13:17 AM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.


It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.
 
2012-12-29 12:14:39 AM
It's a Christmas miracle!
 
2012-12-29 12:14:48 AM
Islam, what a wonderful religion.
 
2012-12-29 12:14:55 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

But do you listen? NO!
 
2012-12-29 12:15:10 AM
The guys who did this are now being charged with murder.
 
2012-12-29 12:15:19 AM
WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?
 
2012-12-29 12:15:58 AM
I'm generally not for the death penalty, but I see no problem with locking the scumball rapists handcuffed in a room with several dozen women with sharpened rusty spoons.
 
2012-12-29 12:16:16 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%
 
2012-12-29 12:16:25 AM
That's a traditional area. Eye for an eye, right? Put a iron rod in each one of them and use it to rough them up. Sounds about right.
 
2012-12-29 12:16:38 AM

moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?


This is the hallmark of islam, rape squads used to intimidate the local populous into following sharia law.
 
2012-12-29 12:16:40 AM
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2012-12-29 12:16:45 AM

moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?


It's always been happening in India.  The problem is the police generally refuse to do anything and say the woman are whores so they deserved it.
 
2012-12-29 12:16:51 AM
scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.


You should ignore trolls of any stripe.
 
2012-12-29 12:17:52 AM

fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.


If the current law was applied in the first place I would be satisfied
 
2012-12-29 12:17:53 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


You might want to check your geography. Also see "partition"
 
2012-12-29 12:18:25 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


All the people involved were Hindus, not Muslims.
 
2012-12-29 12:18:33 AM

ComicBookGuy: You should ignore trolls of any stripe.


I've seen some people on Fark turn some really horrendous shiat into a 'biatches were asking for it' rant.

I hope it doesn't crop up in this thread.
 
2012-12-29 12:18:38 AM

whatshisname: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

You might want to check your geography. Also see "partition"


And he could stand to look in a mirror if he follows any religion himself.
 
2012-12-29 12:18:54 AM

Amos Quito: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x290]

But do you listen? NO!


Custer? Damn near killed...oh...
 
2012-12-29 12:19:38 AM
not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.
 
2012-12-29 12:20:46 AM

moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?



Actually it was one rape that lasted a few weeks,
 
2012-12-29 12:20:47 AM
Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.
 
2012-12-29 12:21:36 AM

heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.


Either the driver didn't care, or he saw the other guy on the bus get nearly beaten to death for trying to intervene and decided to keep his mouth shut. Now why he wouldn't pull up in front of a police station and get help, that I can't answer.
 
2012-12-29 12:21:41 AM

OgreMagi: atomicmask: moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?

This is the hallmark of islam, rape squads used to intimidate the local populous into following sharia law.

Wrong country, moran.


India has no muslims?

Who flippin knew!

I guess that whole terrorist bombing of new dehli a few years ago by islamic militants in a raid from boats was my imagination..

Oh yeah, and its the second most popular religion in india. 13%, and that is about the percentage when they begin to do the sharia no go zones in nations...which they are doing..
 
2012-12-29 12:21:46 AM

moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?


They are top heavy with men. In many Asian societies having a daughter is not preferred. Now, after a couple generations, the chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak, and it's a yard full of cocks. The religious (and/or political) repression, the grinding poverty and the lack of possibility of marriage and sexual release are factors these governments may not survive.

In this case, it is about the sex, but there's more.


/legitimate?
 
2012-12-29 12:22:18 AM

moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?


Gang rapes and the abuse of women has been going on for a long time in India. It only gained attention internationally in the past couple of weeks due to all of the protests. Generally women are treated as second class citizens in India and the police refuse to take reports when they claim to have been raped (as happened in this case).
 
2012-12-29 12:22:20 AM

heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.


Having been on a few Indian buses - there is no rear-view mirror, and the driver may or may not be a municipal employee. It's bedlam, with 147 people on a bus designed for 60.
 
2012-12-29 12:24:15 AM
i feel bad for this woman.

i feed sad about some of the responses in this thread. sheesh.
 
2012-12-29 12:24:30 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


Idiot.
 
2012-12-29 12:24:33 AM

heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.


Similar to Mexico - the bus drivers are usually in on it and are paid off by the gangs to ignore what is occurring.
 
2012-12-29 12:25:45 AM

scubamage: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Either the driver didn't care, or he saw the other guy on the bus get nearly beaten to death for trying to intervene and decided to keep his mouth shut. Now why he wouldn't pull up in front of a police station and get help, that I can't answer.


I thought the driver raped her, too?
 
2012-12-29 12:26:31 AM
I don't normally vote "eye for an eye" in justice, but I'm willing to relax my opinion on the subject in this case.
 
2012-12-29 12:26:48 AM

whatshisname: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Having been on a few Indian buses - there is no rear-view mirror, and the driver may or may not be a municipal employee. It's bedlam, with 147 people on a bus designed for 60.


In press they stated that the attack occurred after everyone else left the bus - leaving the gang and the female & male victim.
 
2012-12-29 12:27:55 AM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.


I don't think the Fark Misogyny Brigade need to get involved here, when the son of India's president already said:

"Those who are coming in the name of students in the rallies, sundori, sundori mahila (beautiful women), are highly dented and painted," Abhijit Mukherjee, an MP from Jangipur seat which the President had vacated before his election, told a vernacular news channel.

"Giving interviews in TV and showing off their children. I wonder whether they are students at all," he said, adding, "what's basically happening in Delhi is something like pink revolution, which has very little connection with ground realities."
 
2012-12-29 12:28:09 AM
Why are there so many people trolling this thread. Someone dies and the troll force gets stronger? Yeah, I know welcome to Fark. I guess I'm just lucky people aren't talking about her being a murderer if she had gotten pregnant then died before giving birth to her rape baby or something stupid like that.

The bus driver should get the worst punishment. How do you just keep driving around for an hour while someone on your bus gets raped and beaten with an iron bar? Do buses in Delhi not have radios that can be used to phone authorities? Are there no police stations nearby that you can drive to? The whole thing is just messed up.
 
2012-12-29 12:28:52 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: whatshisname: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

You might want to check your geography. Also see "partition"

And he could stand to look in a mirror if he follows any religion himself.


This. Christians do it in central Africa, Ireland and central/South America, Muslims do it in the Middle East, Hindus do it in India.

Religion has been used to oppress, rape, murder and steal all over the world. If one pretends only Muslims do it, one might as well carry a bright, flashing sign saying "BIGOTED IDIOT" around their neck.
 
2012-12-29 12:29:39 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


What the actual Fark?

None of the victim or perpetrators were muslim. And India is not a muslim country. Welcome to my ignore list, and the nominee for the dumbest comment of the year candidate.

That's quite an achievement giving this is fark.
 
2012-12-29 12:29:55 AM
gangnam style?
 
2012-12-29 12:29:56 AM
I can't even imagine what those poor woman's last minutes of consciousness were like. It's nauseating to think about.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:07 AM

gblive: In press they stated that the attack occurred after everyone else left the bus - leaving the gang and the female & male victim.


In press in India, they often state that the Chief Minister did not receive 13 suitcases full of money before voting on a bill to transfer small shareholdings from the impoverished people to a large corporation run by his friends and supporters.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:36 AM

kxs401: scubamage: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Either the driver didn't care, or he saw the other guy on the bus get nearly beaten to death for trying to intervene and decided to keep his mouth shut. Now why he wouldn't pull up in front of a police station and get help, that I can't answer.

I thought the driver raped her, too?


From what I heard on NPR (this could be old/misremembered, I didn't like listening to the story for long so I switched off a lot of the analysis) the driver kept driving, and the rape took place over tens of miles (at least 20 and change) while he was doing so.
 
2012-12-29 12:31:24 AM

scubamage: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%


Yes. The Muslim part of India is called Pakistan.
 
2012-12-29 12:31:59 AM

scubamage: kxs401: scubamage: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Either the driver didn't care, or he saw the other guy on the bus get nearly beaten to death for trying to intervene and decided to keep his mouth shut. Now why he wouldn't pull up in front of a police station and get help, that I can't answer.

I thought the driver raped her, too?

From what I heard on NPR (this could be old/misremembered, I didn't like listening to the story for long so I switched off a lot of the analysis) the driver kept driving, and the rape took place over tens of miles (at least 20 and change) while he was doing so.


I'm also going off possibly misremembered news stories, so I don't actually know. Either way, he should be strung up by his big toes.
 
2012-12-29 12:32:32 AM

atomicmask: This is the hallmark of islam, rape squads used to intimidate the local populous into following sharia law.


Dude, you're pulling a massive stupid here and then trying to defend. Quit while you're only looking idiotic, don't make it worse.
 
2012-12-29 12:32:49 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


10/10. Enjoy your bountiful harvest.
 
2012-12-29 12:32:57 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Yes. The Muslim part of India is called Pakistan.


And Bangladesh. Although they spend so much time treading water that they aren't such a pain in the ass.
 
2012-12-29 12:33:05 AM

Apos: You're needed in India, Frank Castle.....


Freaky that you'd mention that. I just watched The Punisher for the first time tonight. Excellent flick, and coming from someone who doesn't normally do comic book movies, that's high praise indeed.
 
2012-12-29 12:33:09 AM

kxs401: scubamage: kxs401: scubamage: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Either the driver didn't care, or he saw the other guy on the bus get nearly beaten to death for trying to intervene and decided to keep his mouth shut. Now why he wouldn't pull up in front of a police station and get help, that I can't answer.

I thought the driver raped her, too?

From what I heard on NPR (this could be old/misremembered, I didn't like listening to the story for long so I switched off a lot of the analysis) the driver kept driving, and the rape took place over tens of miles (at least 20 and change) while he was doing so.

I'm also going off possibly misremembered news stories, so I don't actually know. Either way, he should be strung up by his <strike>big toes</strike> penis.


Fixed that for proper justice.
 
2012-12-29 12:33:57 AM

gblive: moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?

Gang rapes and the abuse of women has been going on for a long time in India. It only gained attention internationally in the past couple of weeks due to all of the protests. Generally women are treated as second class citizens in India and the police refuse to take reports when they claim to have been raped (as happened in this case).


upload.wikimedia.org
Where's Kali when you need her? If the police are no help then the women need to take justice into their own hands. If mobs of women start amputating the penises of men who try to use their organs as weapons maybe things will start to get a little bit more civil.
 
2012-12-29 12:34:47 AM

schief2: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

10/10. Enjoy your bountiful harvest.


assets0.ordienetworks.com
 
2012-12-29 12:35:22 AM
Jesus Christ. This is the shiat that makes women in Islamic countries okay with covering themselves, being segregated and not driving. What the fark is wrong with men?
 
2012-12-29 12:36:13 AM
Lots of people jumping up to defend Islam in this thread and then bashing Christianity and Judaism in the next
 
2012-12-29 12:37:46 AM

Danack: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.


I don't think the Fark Misogyny Brigade need to get involved here, when the son of India's president already said:

"Those who are coming in the name of students in the rallies, sundori, sundori mahila (beautiful women), are highly dented and painted," Abhijit Mukherjee, an MP from Jangipur seat which the President had vacated before his election, told a vernacular news channel.

"Giving interviews in TV and showing off their children. I wonder whether they are students at all," he said, adding, "what's basically happening in Delhi is something like pink revolution, which has very little connection with ground realities."


Sadly nearly half of the politicians in India support the position that the woman on the bus was a whore and deserved it. The politicians are also saying all the women demonstrators are also whores who spend their time in discotheques.... and a bunch of other absurd claims. Unfortunately this is how women are treated and viewed in India.
 
2012-12-29 12:37:54 AM

duffblue: Lots of people jumping up to defend Islam in this thread and then bashing Christianity and Judaism in the next


No one is defending Islam.  We are pointing out that religion has absolutely NOTHING to do with these rapes.
 
2012-12-29 12:38:06 AM
I'm late to hearing the news here. Did "Bang Bus: India" go awry or something?
 
2012-12-29 12:38:19 AM
"SHE DIED PEACEFULLY?" whaaaaa
 
2012-12-29 12:38:20 AM
Well, that's it. I'm boycotting the Tata Nano.

Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?
 
2012-12-29 12:38:39 AM
Red people's problems...


err, wait, brown... yeah, brown...
 
2012-12-29 12:38:48 AM

duffblue: Lots of people jumping up to defend Islam in this thread and then bashing Christianity and Judaism in the next


It must really piss you off that people aren't auto-blaming Islam for this...
 
2012-12-29 12:40:13 AM
That poor woman and her family
Her attackers should get the death penalty
They just have to make sure the right arse-holes are prosecuted

That was an unbelievably brutal attack
These guys need to be made an example of
 
2012-12-29 12:40:28 AM

gblive: Danack: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.


I don't think the Fark Misogyny Brigade need to get involved here, when the son of India's president already said:

"Those who are coming in the name of students in the rallies, sundori, sundori mahila (beautiful women), are highly dented and painted," Abhijit Mukherjee, an MP from Jangipur seat which the President had vacated before his election, told a vernacular news channel.

"Giving interviews in TV and showing off their children. I wonder whether they are students at all," he said, adding, "what's basically happening in Delhi is something like pink revolution, which has very little connection with ground realities."

Sadly nearly half of the politicians in India support the position that the woman on the bus was a whore and deserved it. The politicians are also saying all the women demonstrators are also whores who spend their time in discotheques.... and a bunch of other absurd claims. Unfortunately this is how women are treated and viewed in India.


When the path to justice is blocked by a wall of the government's creation to allow the criminals to prey upon the innocent, it is time to shed innocence and rise up against the criminals and their protectors.
 
2012-12-29 12:41:49 AM
WTF! Sickening. That poor woman.

i259.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-29 12:42:04 AM

Amos Quito: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x290]

But do you listen? NO!


cf.shacknews.com
 
2012-12-29 12:42:20 AM

scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.


You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.
 
2012-12-29 12:43:17 AM

ComicBookGuy: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You should ignore trolls of any stripe.


They shoved a metal rod up her, wrecking several internal organs. If you read several articles, that's why she went to Singapore, for an attempted multi-organ transplant. The only reason she was even given medical attention though was the protests. Normally they wouldn't even charge anyone.
 
2012-12-29 12:43:24 AM
makes me literally weep for humanity

we are so farked
 
2012-12-29 12:43:53 AM

gblive: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

All the people involved were Hindus, not Muslims.


To a bigot, all "brownies" look alike.
 
2012-12-29 12:44:00 AM

Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.


I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.
 
2012-12-29 12:45:15 AM

scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.


I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.
 
2012-12-29 12:45:29 AM

OgreMagi: gblive: Danack: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.


I don't think the Fark Misogyny Brigade need to get involved here, when the son of India's president already said:

"Those who are coming in the name of students in the rallies, sundori, sundori mahila (beautiful women), are highly dented and painted," Abhijit Mukherjee, an MP from Jangipur seat which the President had vacated before his election, told a vernacular news channel.

"Giving interviews in TV and showing off their children. I wonder whether they are students at all," he said, adding, "what's basically happening in Delhi is something like pink revolution, which has very little connection with ground realities."

Sadly nearly half of the politicians in India support the position that the woman on the bus was a whore and deserved it. The politicians are also saying all the women demonstrators are also whores who spend their time in discotheques.... and a bunch of other absurd claims. Unfortunately this is how women are treated and viewed in India.

When the path to justice is blocked by a wall of the government's creation to allow the criminals to prey upon the innocent, it is time to shed innocence and rise up against the criminals and their protectors.


The basic problem in India is that there is never any consequences for the attackers in any of these gang rape assaults. Each and every time they walk and no justice occurs. The women in India have had enough and are now protesting in the streets. And what do you ask is the reaction of the Indian government? They sent riot police to go beat the peaceful protestors - while many politicians called the female protestors all sorts of names,
 
2012-12-29 12:47:20 AM

scubamage: I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.


It's kind of pathetic watching the outrage over this while last week 20 kids were murdered and the major response from the public has been "Hell no! You aren't taking my second Amendment rights away!"
 
2012-12-29 12:47:26 AM

fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.


No need to kill them when we have pineapples available.
 
2012-12-29 12:48:25 AM
Farking savages.
 
2012-12-29 12:50:21 AM

gblive: OgreMagi: gblive: Danack: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.


I don't think the Fark Misogyny Brigade need to get involved here, when the son of India's president already said:

"Those who are coming in the name of students in the rallies, sundori, sundori mahila (beautiful women), are highly dented and painted," Abhijit Mukherjee, an MP from Jangipur seat which the President had vacated before his election, told a vernacular news channel.

"Giving interviews in TV and showing off their children. I wonder whether they are students at all," he said, adding, "what's basically happening in Delhi is something like pink revolution, which has very little connection with ground realities."

Sadly nearly half of the politicians in India support the position that the woman on the bus was a whore and deserved it. The politicians are also saying all the women demonstrators are also whores who spend their time in discotheques.... and a bunch of other absurd claims. Unfortunately this is how women are treated and viewed in India.

When the path to justice is blocked by a wall of the government's creation to allow the criminals to prey upon the innocent, it is time to shed innocence and rise up against the criminals and their protectors.

The basic problem in India is that there is never any consequences for the attackers in any of these gang rape assaults. Each and every time they walk and no justice occurs. The women in India have had enough and are now protesting in the streets. And what do you ask is the reaction of the Indian government? They sent riot police to go beat the peaceful protestors - while many politicians called the female protestors all sorts of names,


That's why it's time for them to take matters into their own hands.  The system is broke.  The police and the politicians are protecting the scum of the earth and blaming innocent women.  Fark them.  Time to clean house.   Rope, tree, rapist/police/politician.  Some assembly required.  Yes, I am advocating violent insurrection.  And that is not something I would never do lightly.
 
2012-12-29 12:51:06 AM

make me some tea: Farking savages.


But then there's that whole issue of mass murders of 5-year-olds to consider, isn't there? Who the hell are the savages?
 
2012-12-29 12:51:19 AM

duffblue: Lots of people jumping up to defend Islam in this thread and then bashing Christianity and Judaism in the next


Another idiot heard from.
 
2012-12-29 12:51:35 AM

make me some tea: Farking savages.


And that's just the callous police officers and judges who refuse to take these crimes seriously.
 
2012-12-29 12:52:00 AM

Strongbeerrules: Well, that's it. I'm boycotting the Tata Nano.

Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


Beautiful women. But apparently they don't deserve them.
 
2012-12-29 12:52:27 AM

OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.


I was gonna make a comment about them being animals but then realized it would be insulting to actual animals.
 
2012-12-29 12:52:38 AM
/hugs
 
2012-12-29 12:53:04 AM

whatshisname: schubie: Jesus Christ. This is the shiat that makes women in Islamic countries okay with covering themselves, being segregated and not driving. What the fark is wrong with men?

If you are so ignorant that you think India is an Islamic country, then you might do better to shut your farking mouth.


I'm not one of the dumbasses who hasn't seen Gandhi or read more than 15 books. Sorry if that wasn't clear. My point is, the whole reason that women submit to being covered, etc, is to keep horrific shiat like this from happening to them. It's for their "protection". I hope Indian women do channel Kali and don't become polyester shrouded wardens of the state. Also, what the fark is wrong with men that they can regularly do this sick shiat? In every country with more than a few million of them?
 
2012-12-29 12:53:05 AM
She didn't get pregnant so I can only assume this wasn't legitimate rape.
 
2012-12-29 12:53:33 AM

heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?


In this specific case, the bus driver/owner was one of the rapists. Joyriding with a brother, iirc, or a brother-in-law, or some such.
 
2012-12-29 12:53:59 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


30.media.tumblr.com

"Islam?"

"Forget it, he's trolling"
 
2012-12-29 12:54:23 AM

Latinwolf: I was gonna make a comment about them being animals but then realized it would be insulting to actual animals.


For fark's sake, does pointing fingers and calling other cultures make you feel a whole lot better? How does 20 dead pre-school kids stack up against this crime?
 
2012-12-29 12:54:57 AM
Maybe the women of India should go on a "sex strike" it wok in the Philippines.
 
2012-12-29 12:55:17 AM

mayIFark: atomicmask: bulldg4life: atomicmask: moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?

This is the hallmark of islam, rape squads used to intimidate the local populous into following sharia law.

You are trying very hard to blame Islam when there is no indication that it was involved in any way, shape, or form in a country that is dominantly Hindu.

Why are you such a goddamn idiot?

And if they release the names and religions of the individuals involved, and they turn out to be muslim, would you be willing to admit you are wrong and accept islam is not as peace and love as you think it is? Would you be willing to admit that islam DOES use rape squads?

Names are already released.

Given the nature of your posts, its pretty clear that you decided to ignore those and just trying to spread your hatred, hoping that someone will be idiot enough to believe you.

/BTW, if you are trolling, good job.
//Actually great job.
///But if you are serious, go see a doctor before heading toward an elementary school.


On the plus side:

Mukesh Singh, who was placed in Tihar Jail after his arrest, was assaulted by other inmates and reportedly forced to consume human excreta and urine. Following the incident, jail authorities placed him in solitary confinement for his own protection.
 
2012-12-29 12:55:49 AM

Ed Finnerty: She didn't get pregnant so I can only assume this wasn't legitimate rape.


OH NO YOU DIN'T
 
2012-12-29 12:55:50 AM

dopekitty74: Apos: You're needed in India, Frank Castle.....

Freaky that you'd mention that. I just watched The Punisher for the first time tonight. Excellent flick, and coming from someone who doesn't normally do comic book movies, that's high praise indeed.



Hear, hear. Thomas Jane captured the essence of the character flawlessly.
 
2012-12-29 12:56:18 AM
This is just a terrible story. Each day that passes by I just shake my head at how cruel the world is.
 
2012-12-29 12:56:30 AM

studebaker hoch: gangnam style?


Indeed.

i.imgur.com

/are there any subs out yet?
 
2012-12-29 12:56:33 AM

whatshisname: Latinwolf: I was gonna make a comment about them being animals but then realized it would be insulting to actual animals.

For fark's sake, does pointing fingers and calling other cultures make you feel a whole lot better? How does 20 dead pre-school kids stack up against this crime?


We've had many threads for them.  This one is for the woman who was gang-raped brutally in India.  Please stop trying to derail it further.
 
2012-12-29 12:56:45 AM
"This is a very sensitive crime, I have taken it very seriously," said Paramjit Singh Gill, a top police officer in the city of Patiala.

So seriously, in fact, that you waited a month before doing anything. One wonders if the victim hadn't drawn media scrutiny by killing herself if any action would have been taken.
 
2012-12-29 12:56:49 AM

whatshisname: scubamage: I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

It's kind of pathetic watching the outrage over this while last week 20 kids were murdered and the major response from the public has been "Hell no! You aren't taking my second Amendment rights away!"


It may be a good time to point out that these type of gang rapes would occur less often in India if people had the right to own firearms. The private ownership of firearms is effectively banned in India. Only the very rich and politicians are able to navigate (read as bribe) the complex licensing bureaucracy & laws and be licensed to have a gun.

This leaves us with an India where criminal gangs carry knives, lead pipes and guns... and effectively do as they please.
 
2012-12-29 12:57:07 AM

OgreMagi: gblive: OgreMagi: gblive: Danack: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.


I don't think the Fark Misogyny Brigade need to get involved here, when the son of India's president already said:

"Those who are coming in the name of students in the rallies, sundori, sundori mahila (beautiful women), are highly dented and painted," Abhijit Mukherjee, an MP from Jangipur seat which the President had vacated before his election, told a vernacular news channel.

"Giving interviews in TV and showing off their children. I wonder whether they are students at all," he said, adding, "what's basically happening in Delhi is something like pink revolution, which has very little connection with ground realities."

Sadly nearly half of the politicians in India support the position that the woman on the bus was a whore and deserved it. The politicians are also saying all the women demonstrators are also whores who spend their time in discotheques.... and a bunch of other absurd claims. Unfortunately this is how women are treated and viewed in India.

When the path to justice is blocked by a wall of the government's creation to allow the criminals to prey upon the innocent, it is time to shed innocence and rise up against the criminals and their protectors.

The basic problem in India is that there is never any consequences for the attackers in any of these gang rape assaults. Each and every time they walk and no justice occurs. The women in India have had enough and are now protesting in the streets. And what do you ask is the reaction of the Indian government? They sent riot police to go beat the peaceful protestors - while many politicians called the female protestors all sorts of names,

That's why it's time for them to take matters into their own hands.  The system is broke.  The police and the politicians are protecting the ...


I'd hate to agree, but this time, yeah, this is the only way they can fix things. Tear the system up and start over.
 
2012-12-29 12:59:26 AM

Phoenix_M: Maybe the women of India should go on a "sex strike" it wok in the Philippines.


I think that would only affect the "not willing to rape" menfolk.... the rapists would probably take it as a challenge.
 
2012-12-29 01:01:08 AM

Latinwolf: duffblue: Lots of people jumping up to defend Islam in this thread and then bashing Christianity and Judaism in the next

Another idiot heard from.


I guess pointing out the obvious makes me an idiot. Whatever helps you sleep at night. You probably voted for Romney anyway
 
2012-12-29 01:01:42 AM

Latinwolf: That's why it's time for them to take matters into their own hands.  The system is broke.  The police and the politicians are protecting the ...

I'd hate to agree, but this time, yeah, this is the only way they can fix things. Tear the system up and start over.


An outside power with experience with the local culture could come in an take over..... what are the British doing at the moment?
 
2012-12-29 01:02:22 AM
FTA

Indian police have arrested six people in connection with the attack, which left the victim with severe internal injuries, a lung infection and brain damage.

And I thought police brutality was bad in the US!

Seriously though, this is a shame in the most literal sense. Yeah, shiat happens in every country but it apparently is easier to get away with it in other countries, even almost a sanctioned activity in some, IIRC.

How can these countries look us in the eye and condemn our way of life?
 
2012-12-29 01:02:54 AM
Can't we all agree that India is a backward, disease-riddden shiatthole? Why do we outsource jobs to these asswipes again?
 
2012-12-29 01:03:06 AM

Ed Finnerty: She didn't get pregnant so I can only assume this wasn't legitimate rape.


0/10 because you have the legitimate rape thing backwards. It WAS legitimate rape because she didn't get pregnant. If she got pregnant than it means she liked it. Keep up.
 
2012-12-29 01:03:22 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: We've had many threads for them. This one is for the woman who was gang-raped brutally in India. Please stop trying to derail it further.


Can you really be so obtuse? A pack of dogs are jumping on Indians while ignoring the problems in their own country and beating their chests about how they are so much more civilized...I mean fark me, most people here are slagging Islam for the crime when they don't even know the religions of India. It's ignorance and hipocrysy all balled up into a giant clusterfark. Sort of the history of American Foreign Policy over the last 60 years in a single thread!
 
2012-12-29 01:04:50 AM

whatshisname: scubamage: I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

It's kind of pathetic watching the outrage over this while last week 20 kids were murdered and the major response from the public has been "Hell no! You aren't taking my second Amendment rights away!"


They're dead bro, let them go.
 
2012-12-29 01:05:11 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Phoenix_M: Maybe the women of India should go on a "sex strike" it wok in the Philippines.

I think that would only affect the "not willing to rape" menfolk.... the rapists would probably take it as a challenge.


dtdstudios.com
 
2012-12-29 01:05:20 AM

arcas: "This is a very sensitive crime, I have taken it very seriously," said Paramjit Singh Gill, a top police officer in the city of Patiala.

So seriously, in fact, that you waited a month before doing anything. One wonders if the victim hadn't drawn media scrutiny by killing herself if any action would have been taken.


That's a different rape and different woman. Same problem of course.
 
2012-12-29 01:05:35 AM

whatshisname: Latinwolf: I was gonna make a comment about them being animals but then realized it would be insulting to actual animals.

For fark's sake, does pointing fingers and calling other cultures make you feel a whole lot better? How does 20 dead pre-school kids stack up against this crime?


It's not the crime, it's the lack of reaction and the vast amounts of "blame the victim" that's totally disgusting.

That's what happens when religion and such morals infect government.
 
2012-12-29 01:06:29 AM
Bloody farking hell :(
 
2012-12-29 01:07:34 AM
No, not a crime of passion.
 
2012-12-29 01:08:26 AM

cmb53208: Can't we all agree that India is a backward, disease-riddden shiatthole? Why do we outsource jobs to these asswipes again?


Lost your job to one of the indian call centers?

It was a horrible crime, and a very sad event. Treat it like that. trying to define a country by the action of a few (or that idiotic event to define a religion that has nothing to do with it) is not helpful to anyone.

PEOPLE, THIS IS A VERY SAD AND TERRIBLE EVENT. PLEASE STOP TRYING TO BEND IT TO GET TO YOUR AGENDA.
 
2012-12-29 01:08:28 AM

atomicmask: OgreMagi: atomicmask: moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?

This is the hallmark of islam, rape squads used to intimidate the local populous into following sharia law.

Wrong country, moran.

India has no muslims?

Who flippin knew!

I guess that whole terrorist bombing of new dehli a few years ago by islamic militants in a raid from boats was my imagination..

Oh yeah, and its the second most popular religion in india. 13%, and that is about the percentage when they begin to do the sharia no go zones in nations...which they are doing..


Someone probably already pointed this out, but that was Bombay/Mumbai where that happened. Which is on the coast. New Delhi is WAY landlocked. Attacking it from boats from the sea would involve long-range missiles, not dudes hopping off onto the dock.

/Facts are fun. You should learn a few.
 
2012-12-29 01:08:28 AM

duffblue: Latinwolf: duffblue: Lots of people jumping up to defend Islam in this thread and then bashing Christianity and Judaism in the next

Another idiot heard from.

I guess pointing out the obvious makes me an idiot. Whatever helps you sleep at night. You probably voted for Romney anyway


You just confirmed that you are a moron by claiming it's obvious when any intelligent person knows that there's a difference between pointing out a person is wrong for claiming a particular religion is at fault without kind of proof, as the case here and actually defending said religion, which no one actually did here. You're on the same level as those white bigots who throw the label "ni**er lover" at other people for not hating black folks the way they do.
 
2012-12-29 01:08:37 AM

brandent: arcas: "This is a very sensitive crime, I have taken it very seriously," said Paramjit Singh Gill, a top police officer in the city of Patiala.

So seriously, in fact, that you waited a month before doing anything. One wonders if the victim hadn't drawn media scrutiny by killing herself if any action would have been taken.

That's a different rape and different woman. Same problem of course.


This one was the one that had a metal rod inserted in her and destroyed several of her internal organs. They bashed her head in too causing brain damage.
 
2012-12-29 01:10:36 AM

brandent: Ed Finnerty: She didn't get pregnant so I can only assume this wasn't legitimate rape.

0/10 because you have the legitimate rape thing backwards. It WAS legitimate rape because she didn't get pregnant. If she got pregnant than it means she liked it. Keep up.


The important thing is she won't be allowed to have an abortion.
 
2012-12-29 01:10:55 AM
A woman gets disemboweled by sick, evil men and yall are wondering what religion they are? Really?!? THAT'S the first thing that goes through your mind?

I feel sick.
 
2012-12-29 01:11:04 AM

atomicmask: And if they release the names and religions of the individuals involved, and they turn out to be muslim, would you be willing to admit you are wrong and accept islam is not as peace and love as you think it is? Would you be willing to admit that islam DOES use rape squads?


If you're going to profile, you have to play the odds. In most of India the odds favor them being Hindu.
 
2012-12-29 01:11:15 AM
Maximum Derp Level Attained. Thread over.
 
2012-12-29 01:12:39 AM

StinkyFiddlewinks: Thread over.


If only.
 
2012-12-29 01:13:51 AM
I would urge everyone to read the Wikipedia summary to get the correct background information on this case:

2012 Delhi gang rape case
 
2012-12-29 01:16:50 AM
Seinfeld:  The Betrayal November 20, 1997

ELAINE: Hi. Mr. and Mrs. Ranawat?
ZUBIN: Please, call us Usha and Zubin.
ELAINE: Oh. Well, Usha..
ZUBIN: I'm Zubin.
ELAINE: (Shrugging it off) Anyway, your son is marrying my friend, Sue Ellen Mischke..
USHA: You're not going to the wedding, are you?
ELAINE: Well..
USHA: Don't go. India is a dreadful, dreadful place.
ZUBIN: You know, it's the only country that still has the plague? I mean, the plague! Please!
 
2012-12-29 01:18:05 AM

gblive: I would urge everyone to read the Wikipedia summary to get the correct background information on this case:

2012 Delhi gang rape case


From that summary, "Mukesh Singh (one of the attackers), who was placed in Tihar Jail after his arrest, was assaulted by other inmates and reportedly forced to consume human excreta and urine."  Pity that was the worse thing that happened to him.  And based on what the politicians are saying, that's all that will happen because they like to protect scum like this.
 
2012-12-29 01:21:02 AM

gblive: I would urge everyone to read the Wikipedia summary to get the correct background information on this case:

2012 Delhi gang rape case


FTFW:
"Mukesh Singh, who was placed in Tihar Jail after his arrest, was assaulted by other inmates and reportedly forced to consume human excreta and urine. Following the incident, jail authorities placed him in solitary confinement for his own protection.[24]"

It sounds like the inmate code is alive and well in Indian jails at least.
 
2012-12-29 01:22:50 AM

megarian: A woman gets disemboweled by sick, evil men and yall are wondering what religion they are? Really?!? THAT'S the first thing that goes through your mind?

I feel sick.


That's Fark for you.
 
2012-12-29 01:24:21 AM

muck4doo: megarian: A woman gets disemboweled by sick, evil men and yall are wondering what religion they are? Really?!? THAT'S the first thing that goes through your mind?

I feel sick.

That's Fark for you.


I know I know I know

But I'm a dreamer.

And not drunk.

Yet.

This is beyond farked up.
 
2012-12-29 01:24:55 AM

OgreMagi: gblive: I would urge everyone to read the Wikipedia summary to get the correct background information on this case:

2012 Delhi gang rape case

From that summary, "Mukesh Singh (one of the attackers), who was placed in Tihar Jail after his arrest, was assaulted by other inmates and reportedly forced to consume human excreta and urine."  Pity that was the worse thing that happened to him.  And based on what the politicians are saying, that's all that will happen because they like to protect scum like this.


Look, I'm as right-wing as the next guy and I don't want to see people get beat up and tortured. The guy killed someone and brutalized them first. Just put them down. There's nothing you can do that will even things out. You can't start taking pleasure in hurting bad people. It's just not a good thing. Keep it clinical and professional. Defective human... just pull a recall like it's a car.
 
2012-12-29 01:25:01 AM
Hate to say it, but I will:

A lot of men are latent rapists when a woman doesn't "give in" or, in the third world, maybe just kissing her boyfriend on the bus.The word "no" has no meaning for these creepazoids. And yes, you KNOW who you are.

This woman died of horrific injuries. A metal rod thrust into her vagina? Such BIG men they were...so much so that they needed a large metal pole to take the place of their tiny penises.

As a nurse, I can only imagine how this woman died...especially from the infection and organ damage from these animals' penis substitute.

This woman was YOUR daughter; YOUR wife; your SISTER.

Fark rapists.
 
2012-12-29 01:26:00 AM

OgreMagi: megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: A woman gets disemboweled by sick, evil men and yall are wondering what religion they are? Really?!? THAT'S the first thing that goes through your mind?

I feel sick.

I went the easy route and put those idiots on my ignore list.

Good move.
This is a level of facepalm that may reach critical facepalm mass and create an evil facepalm black hole that will engulf the stupid.

I can dream, can't I?

I was afraid that if I didn't ignore them the stupid would become contagious and consume my brain.


It would be like those amoeba people squire through Neti Pots.

And apparently they're all on Fark today. Joy. And cheers.
 
2012-12-29 01:26:05 AM

scubamage: It sounds like the inmate code is alive and well in Indian jails at least.


A lot of people don't condone stuff like that, but if it's so bad that other criminals won't tolerate it, maybe the actual punishment could be a bit worse.
 
2012-12-29 01:30:39 AM
Guys, it's not much better in america. A child got gang-raped in texas, by more than 15 guys, and now they are tring to say she was at fault. At least 6 guys were assulted at OSU and campus cops tried to cover it up. Don't pretend it doesn't happen in the USA.
 
2012-12-29 01:31:24 AM

omeganuepsilon: scubamage: It sounds like the inmate code is alive and well in Indian jails at least.

A lot of people don't condone stuff like that, but if it's so bad that other criminals won't tolerate it, maybe the actual punishment could be a bit worse.


There's basically an inmate code of behavior that exists among prisoners across several countries that dictates inmate behavior. It's kind of fascinating, actually. Murder-rapists/rapists/incest committers/pedophiles are usually viewed as "bottoms" in prisons and get the living fark beaten out of them. Remember when Jeffrey Dahmer got impaled on a broom? Yeah. That sort of thing. I knew it was a common western thing, but from the sounds of it it may carry over into Eastern prisons as well.
 
2012-12-29 01:33:12 AM
How was she dressed?
 
2012-12-29 01:33:52 AM

REO-Weedwagon: How was she dressed?


How does that matter?
 
2012-12-29 01:34:39 AM

scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.


Let's not be too hasty.

Let's have them gang-raped by several large perverts on a bus over the course of several miles, then get dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle miles from help.
 
2012-12-29 01:35:03 AM
Why would it be a desirable thing to let the culprits keep living? What is the payoff?
 
2012-12-29 01:36:52 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: The guys who did this are now being charged with murder.


Hopefully they will be sentenced to death by bunga.
 
2012-12-29 01:37:11 AM

mayIFark: cmb53208: Can't we all agree that India is a backward, disease-riddden shiatthole? Why do we outsource jobs to these asswipes again?

Lost your job to one of the indian call centers?

It was a horrible crime, and a very sad event. Treat it like that. trying to define a country by the action of a few (or that idiotic event to define a religion that has nothing to do with it) is not helpful to anyone.

PEOPLE, THIS IS A VERY SAD AND TERRIBLE EVENT. PLEASE STOP TRYING TO BEND IT TO GET TO YOUR AGENDA.


You're right, we should just ignore the gang rapes, acid throwings, caste system, and the fact the majority of people over there dont gave access to vasic sanitation even though the nation has nuclear weapons. India is the pinnacle of civilization, and we should especially follow their lead on women's rights and honest government!
 
2012-12-29 01:37:29 AM

REO-Weedwagon: How was she dressed?


She was wearing those tiny shorts that say "Rape Me" on the butt.

Not sure if serious....
 
2012-12-29 01:37:37 AM

scubamage: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%



If Bernie Silverstein and Laquanda Jones rob a bank in the US, you don't have to assume that they're both white and Christian. Anyways, based on last names:

Ram Singh - Sikh
Mukesh Singh - Sikh
Vinay Sharma - Hindu
Pawan Gupta - Hindu or Jain
Akshay Thakur - HIndu
Raju - no way to tell

Bear in mind that many Hindu families who have converted to Christianity keep their names, so they might be Christian as well. Hate to rain on the parade, but it looks like a multidenominational gang-rape squad...
 
2012-12-29 01:39:06 AM

scubamage: omeganuepsilon: scubamage: It sounds like the inmate code is alive and well in Indian jails at least.

A lot of people don't condone stuff like that, but if it's so bad that other criminals won't tolerate it, maybe the actual punishment could be a bit worse.

There's basically an inmate code of behavior that exists among prisoners across several countries that dictates inmate behavior. It's kind of fascinating, actually. Murder-rapists/rapists/incest committers/pedophiles are usually viewed as "bottoms" in prisons and get the living fark beaten out of them. Remember when Jeffrey Dahmer got impaled on a broom? Yeah. That sort of thing. I knew it was a common western thing, but from the sounds of it it may carry over into Eastern prisons as well.


I knew that, that's why I commented. Though the way I heard it told it's not so much violence as straight up murder. I knew an alleged, "creeper". The label comes from how you creep up on them and flip them over the balcony rail.

I can see where assault instead of murder would be preferable though(except for lifers). 20 years ago when I first heard about it (construction job with an ex-con).... You can get away with less than you use to be able to in that regard.
 
2012-12-29 01:40:02 AM

cmb53208: India is the pinnacle of civilization, and we should especially follow their lead on women's rights and honest government!


And yet it's fine for frat boys in a country now famous for their mass murders of children to make ignorant, ill-informed judgments on a country they have no clue about?
 
2012-12-29 01:41:14 AM
So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.
 
2012-12-29 01:43:38 AM

sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.


They have 6 guys in custody, 5 adults and a minor. Now whether or not they're the right guys, who knows.
 
2012-12-29 01:45:44 AM

TigersorHawksorBoth: fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.

nah, death penalty for those who kill several people.


So several pieces of sh8t could gang rape and beat your daughter to death, on a bus, and you'd be cool with them only getting life in prison as long as they didn't shoot the bus driver to death, too?

F*ck that. If it's in your being to be able to do this to another human being, we don't need your services on this planet anymore......and I damned sure shouldn't have to pay to feed, clothe, house and even "protect" you until you die of natural causes.
 
2012-12-29 01:46:04 AM

sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.


5 O'clock, biatch rapin' time

/obscure?

They have 6 suspects. Who know's if it's the right guys, or 6 random guys off the street to sate the public outrage.
 
2012-12-29 01:49:16 AM

whatshisname: cmb53208: India is the pinnacle of civilization, and we should especially follow their lead on women's rights and honest government!

And yet it's fine for frat boys in a country now famous for their mass murders of children to make ignorant, ill-informed judgments on a country they have no clue about?


I didnt say that, in fact Ive spoken out against frat boys getting away with date raoe and other things on this very site. But does that mean that India doesnt use religion and the ignorance to keep themselves in power?
 
2012-12-29 01:49:59 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


Nice

0/10 just because farkers are smarter than that.
 
2012-12-29 01:57:58 AM

sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.


I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?
 
2012-12-29 02:02:54 AM
"Passed away peacefully," my ass. She was fighting so hard not to die.
 
2012-12-29 02:04:54 AM
Fark this shiat. Fark it all to hell. I hope the people will keep making a huge stink over this until their society and culture will not accept this kind of crap anymore. I had no idea until recently this kind of repugnant behavior was remotely tolerated over there. I've always wanted to see India, but shiat like this makes me think twice. Ugh.
 
2012-12-29 02:09:26 AM
India needs a secular socialist government without any influence from religion. It seems that the Maoists in India were right after all.
 
2012-12-29 02:09:41 AM

OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.


Yes. Then burn the corpses.
 
2012-12-29 02:12:03 AM

moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India that people are finally talking about and have always happened?


Fixed that, sahib.
 
2012-12-29 02:12:03 AM
Sad thing happening.

The only good thing in this is that it finally woke Indians on the problem of rape and police inaction about it. Fark had the trifecta on indian rape because the local press is now picking up so many stories of police protecting the bad guys, they have enough to write for months after the main case is done.
 
2012-12-29 02:13:03 AM

omeganuepsilon: They have 6 suspects. Who know's if it's the right guys, or 6 random guys off the street to sate the public outrage.


The Times of India reports that two have confessed and one was identified by the male beating victim, and they probably named the others to save their own skins.
 
2012-12-29 02:13:50 AM

whatshisname: cmb53208: India is the pinnacle of civilization, and we should especially follow their lead on women's rights and honest government!

And yet it's fine for frat boys in a country now famous for their mass murders of children to make ignorant, ill-informed judgments on a country they have no clue about?


India has a long history of scams involving dishonest government. To get a sense of the history and size of these scams check out this two minute video.

Scams of India - A Summary Of Scams from 1947 to 2010
 
2012-12-29 02:14:04 AM
Don't worry everyone, karma's got this.
 
2012-12-29 02:15:58 AM

SweetHomeNowhere: India needs a secular socialist government without any influence from religion. It seems that the Maoists in India were right after all.


"Socialist"? Why? They tried that back when it was fashionable. They went nowhere economically.
 
2012-12-29 02:16:47 AM

Chinchillazilla: OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.

Yes. Then burn the corpses.


No, that's what's normally done over there. Grind them into fish food or something.
 
2012-12-29 02:17:53 AM

Strongbeerrules: Well, that's it. I'm boycotting the Tata Nano.

Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


The bigotry in this thread is truly shameful. I suspect I'm the only poster who has actually been to India, and while it is a desperately poor country, it has an ancient culture and wonderful people doing what they can with what they have.

What has India given the world?

wikitravel.org

0.tqn.com

www.dreamstime.com
And the sculptures of Khajurao (which are fairly NSFW so here's a link)
 
2012-12-29 02:19:10 AM

Ronin_S: Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.


All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.

They should understand the suffering they have caused.
 
2012-12-29 02:22:55 AM

REO-Weedwagon: How was she dressed?


In a bodybag :(
 
2012-12-29 02:25:16 AM

RedVentrue: Ronin_S: Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.

All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.

They should understand the suffering they have caused.


Not the ears, they get to keep their ears. To the pain.
 
2012-12-29 02:26:20 AM

brandent: sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.

I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?


Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.
 
2012-12-29 02:27:39 AM

JohnAnnArbor: Chinchillazilla: OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.

Yes. Then burn the corpses.

No, that's what's normally done over there. Grind them into fish food or something.


Good point. Feed them to rats and stray dogs in the street.

I'm normally compassionate and peaceful, but I would go Hellraiser on these bastards. I think I could be pretty creative.
 
2012-12-29 02:28:02 AM
No hope.
 
2012-12-29 02:28:45 AM

JohnAnnArbor: Chinchillazilla: OgreMagi: scubamage: Latinwolf: scubamage: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: In before the Fark Misogyny Brigade to tell how us how she was totally asking for it for riding on a bus like that, and that women are all just lying whores anyway.

This whole story just makes me sick. I'm sad she died. I was pulling for her to make it.

It's going to be a hard sell for the misogynists to spin this one. She was on a bus with a male friend, strangers went after her, male friend tried to get them away and they assaulted him. She gets gang raped over the course of several miles on the bus, then she and male friend are dumped bloody and naked from the vehicle.

I don't have anything witty to say. Those guys deserve to die.

You forgot the part about them penetrating her with a foreign object, a pipe I think, which is what really messed up her internal organs.

I wish that had remained forgotten. Fark. :(
Shiat like this makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I don't consider anyone who would do such a horrific thing as human.  So it's ok to put them down, the same as you put down a rabid dog.

Yes. Then burn the corpses.

No, that's what's normally done over there. Grind them into fish food or something.


Feed them to pigs.
 
2012-12-29 02:30:55 AM

redheededstepchild: RedVentrue: Ronin_S: Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.

All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.

They should understand the suffering they have caused.

Not the ears, they get to keep their ears. To the pain.


A good idea is a good idea, and yeah, that was the inspiration.
 
2012-12-29 02:31:49 AM

ZeroPly: Ram Singh - Sikh
Mukesh Singh - Sikh
Vinay Sharma - Hindu
Pawan Gupta - Hindu or Jain
Akshay Thakur - HIndu
Raju - no way to tell


A Singh could easily be Hindu. It's a fairly common name for Rajputs and other Kshatriya ("warrior") castes. That's one of the reasons the Sikhs adopted it.
But otherwise, from their employment and home towns, they appear to be a pretty diverse group. Not even real gangbangers, just some random guys who got drunk and decided to go wilding. They apparently stole the bus and used it to troll for victims...
 
2012-12-29 02:35:22 AM

RedVentrue: Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.


Sort of..

Patriarchy is also woven into most major religions, and can hang on even after religion is shed(as in the US, but we're improving * crosses fingers *).

Not the same thing, but often so entwined as to be not necessarily distinct from eachother.
 
2012-12-29 02:37:11 AM

fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

This is the reaction in India.

In this country the reaction would have been: "She shouldn't have been where she was."
"She told them 'no' but she meant 'yes.' "

"She should have been packin' heat."
 
2012-12-29 02:37:36 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: scubamage: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%

Yes. The Muslim part of India is called Pakistan.


Oh dear...

Pakistan hasn't been the "Muslim part of India" since 1947.

India: When on a given day you are making Pakistan look good, you are doing something really wrong.
 
2012-12-29 02:37:53 AM

Ed Finnerty: She didn't get pregnant so I can only assume this wasn't legitimate rape.


No, no, you have it backward.  When we don't get pregnant, it *is* legitimate rape because our Magic VaginasTM recognized all that unwanted attention and activity and shut the whole thing down.  Pregnancy means we (and Jesus, and his sky wizard dad) wanted it.

She must have been dressed provocatively.
And she was probably drunk.
And those men on the bus had obviously been cuckolded by the Feminist Agenda and could no longer withold their righteous indignation and sexual frustration.
And she was also probably really hot and flaunted it in their faces.
And they couldn't help themselves because men have no control over their sexual urges.
And this was all just an expression of sexual desire gone wrong, and has nothing to do with the routine objectification and contempt for women that is rampant in <b>many</b> societies.
And it certainly has nothing to do with <i>some</i> men feeling entitled to sexual satisfaction and compliance, or a desire to dominate and humiliate those they feel are weaker or lesser than themselves.

/Right, Fark?
//<i>Right?</i>
 
2012-12-29 02:38:40 AM

OgreMagi: The problem is the police generally refuse to do anything and say the woman are whores so they deserved it.


So, not much different than the USA, in other words.
 
2012-12-29 02:39:33 AM
She "passed away peacefully" with her family and officials of the Indian Embassy by her side, Dr. Kevin Loh, the chief executive of Mount Elizabeth Hospital, said in a statement.

No. No she didn't. She passed away in anger and fear. My SO was raped and it haunts her to this day.

I've always wondered if I have the skill to kill a man with my bare hands. Maybe. Maybe not. But I'd love to try. Motherf*ckers. When you rape a woman, all that tells me is that you're a weak man. Yeah, a pussy. You heard me.

/ITG, but still
 
2012-12-29 02:42:47 AM

Strongbeerrules: Well, that's it. I'm boycotting the Tata Nano.

Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?

www.pbs.org

The so-called Arabic numerals and the Taj Mahaj, to name two off the top of my head.
 
2012-12-29 02:45:26 AM
Wow, saw this news like last night on both Digg and Reddit
 
2012-12-29 02:46:09 AM

omeganuepsilon: RedVentrue: Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.

Sort of..

Patriarchy is also woven into most major religions, and can hang on even after religion is shed(as in the US, but we're improving * crosses fingers *).

Not the same thing, but often so entwined as to be not necessarily distinct from eachother.


Right! In this case, however, Hindu religion teaches respect for women, the culture is what is repressive. I believe this is due to 800 years or so of Muslim rule. Abrahamic religions ARE repressive towards women, and have been throughout their history.
 
2012-12-29 02:51:21 AM

NativeDaughter: She must have been dressed provocatively.
And she was probably drunk.


I get the point you're trying to make.

Ther'es a fine line between blaming the victim (which is wrong), and pointing out that the victim voluntarily engaged in reckless or negligent behavior which contributed to the circumstances of the crime.

If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Contributory negligence and attractive nuisance are well-established legal doctrines.
 
2012-12-29 02:52:06 AM

clyph: OgreMagi: The problem is the police generally refuse to do anything and say the woman are whores so they deserved it.

So, not much different than the USA, in other words.


What decade do you live in?
 
2012-12-29 02:57:36 AM

clyph: NativeDaughter: She must have been dressed provocatively.
And she was probably drunk.

I get the point you're trying to make.

Ther'es a fine line between blaming the victim (which is wrong), and pointing out that the victim voluntarily engaged in reckless or negligent behavior which contributed to the circumstances of the crime.

If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Contributory negligence and attractive nuisance are well-established legal doctrines.


Are you saying a vagina is an attractive nuisance and a woman needs to put up a fence around it?
 
2012-12-29 02:57:52 AM
I think we should have the death penalty for rape here in North America as well. Same thing for child abuse.

If you can't control your sexual urges to the point that you force yourself on women and children with violence the you don't deserve to live in civilized society.

These scum should be hanged in public as to serve as a warning to other asshole perverts.
 
2012-12-29 03:01:55 AM

Chinchillazilla: Are you saying a vagina is an attractive nuisance and a woman needs to put up a fence around it?


No, I'm saying that women aren't exempt from exercising personal responsibility and good judgement. Equality works both ways
 
2012-12-29 03:05:03 AM

ZeroPly: scubamage: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%


If Bernie Silverstein and Laquanda Jones rob a bank in the US, you don't have to assume that they're both white and Christian. Anyways, based on last names:

Ram Singh - Sikh
Mukesh Singh - Sikh
Vinay Sharma - Hindu
Pawan Gupta - Hindu or Jain
Akshay Thakur - HIndu
Raju - no way to tell

Bear in mind that many Hindu families who have converted to Christianity keep their names, so they might be Christian as well. Hate to rain on the parade, but it looks like a multidenominational gang-rape squad...


Just for the record, the last name Singh is often Sikh, but doesn't have to be; there are Hindus also with Singh as a last name. And Raju is almost certainly Hindu. Christians are a very small part of the population in northern India, so statistically speaking it's unlikely that any of the attackers are Christian.

How do things like this happen? It might have started out very simply with the asshole attackers deciding to make assumptions about how "easy" the woman was since she was out at night with just her boyfriend, and no other family member as chaperone. Understand that dating as we know it in the western world is still pretty uncommon over most of India, so being in a big city like Delhi (which already is known for sexual harassment issues) is no shield from, shall we say, provincial attitudes. And over there, the religious/moral conservatives tend also to be Hindu nationalists (see for example this over-the-top diatribe on Valentine's Day by a Hindu nationalist group).

India is a big country, with many diverse subcultures. But common themes, especially among the more "village-minded," are the second-class status of women, and a certain societal disregard or fatalistic attitude about the value of individual lives.

As an American woman traveling in northern India for work, including some places off the usual tourist routes, I was outwardly accorded a greater degree of respect than my female Indian colleagues (yay for the lingering cultural effects of British imperialism). But I was also warned not to go out by myself, not to look too directly at people I was unacquainted with, and for damn sure not to smile at anyone I didn't already know. These latter two things apparently are interpreted as a come-on, even moreso for someone like me since, of course, it is well-known how loose the morals of western women are. /sarcasm

I wish the women of India well, but I'm afraid that ultimately these protests will go nowhere, since for now the folks in power don't know how else to be, with literally centuries of social conservatism ingrained in the general culture.
 
2012-12-29 03:12:42 AM

RedVentrue: Ronin_S: Why did my first greenlight have to be something so farking horrible that makes me want to killmyselfwiuehrjbs?!

*gibberishandsobbing*

Its even worse than some articles state. She was sodomized with an iron rod so badly her intestines were dislodged. She basically got disemboweled.

There's no punishment that these bastards don't deserve.

Seriously, I think I'm just going to pound back a few drinks for the end of this year.

All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.

They should understand the suffering they have caused.


fark that. Just kill them,.
 
2012-12-29 03:15:11 AM

clyph: Chinchillazilla: Are you saying a vagina is an attractive nuisance and a woman needs to put up a fence around it?

No, I'm saying that women aren't exempt from exercising personal responsibility and good judgement. Equality works both ways


I'm curious what kind of judgement could have helped her avoid this situation. She was not alone. She got on what she thought was a normal bus. Suddenly she was attacked by six men with a pipe. What exactly should she have done, Monday morning quarterbacker?
 
2012-12-29 03:19:41 AM

Lydia_C: ZeroPly: scubamage: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

Most likely not. The country is 80% Hindu.

According to the CIA:
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1%


If Bernie Silverstein and Laquanda Jones rob a bank in the US, you don't have to assume that they're both white and Christian. Anyways, based on last names:

Ram Singh - Sikh
Mukesh Singh - Sikh
Vinay Sharma - Hindu
Pawan Gupta - Hindu or Jain
Akshay Thakur - HIndu
Raju - no way to tell

Bear in mind that many Hindu families who have converted to Christianity keep their names, so they might be Christian as well. Hate to rain on the parade, but it looks like a multidenominational gang-rape squad...

Just for the record, the last name Singh is often Sikh, but doesn't have to be; there are Hindus also with Singh as a last name. And Raju is almost certainly Hindu. Christians are a very small part of the population in northern India, so statistically speaking it's unlikely that any of the attackers are Christian.

How do things like this happen? It might have started out very simply with the asshole attackers deciding to make assumptions about how "easy" the woman was since she was out at night with just her boyfriend, and no other family member as chaperone. Understand that dating as we know it in the western world is still pretty uncommon over most of India, so being in a big city like Delhi (which already is known for sexual harassment issues) is no shield from, shall we say, provincial attitudes. And over there, the religious/moral conservatives tend also to be Hindu nationalists (see for example this over-the-top diatribe on Valentine's Day by a Hindu nationalist group).

India is a big country, with many diverse subcultures. But common themes, especially among the more "village-minded," are the second-class status of women, and a certain societal disregard or fatalistic attitude about the value of individual lives.

As an American woman traveling in n ...


Spot on.
 
2012-12-29 03:27:22 AM
Bad things. That is what is in the future.
 
2012-12-29 03:28:40 AM

Chinchillazilla: I'm curious what kind of judgement could have helped her avoid this situation. She was not alone. She got on what she thought was a normal bus. Suddenly she was attacked by six men with a pipe. What exactly should she have done, Monday morning quarterbacker?


None whatsoever. This is not the kind of situation that I'm talking about. She was behaving in a reasonable and prudent manner, and still got attacked. No contributory negligence in this case.

The way NaitiveDaughter is talking, she believes that a woman has a god-given right to get blackout drunk and walk around a biker bar wearing a see-thru thong bikini with complete impunity, and if something does happen to her she bears absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for putting herself in that situation.

It would be nice if that was the kind of world we lived in, where everyone was decent and respected everyone else's rights, and never took advantage of them when they let their guard down. It would be nice if we lived in a world where we could leave our front doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition of our cars.

But we don't live in that world. We live in a world inhabited by (a small number) of monsters and predators, and we ignore that fact to our own peril. Ultimately, you have to look out for yourself and take responsibility for your safety and your own actions. Furthermore, the law recognizes this fact by saying that we don't get to play the victim card (or at least only get to play it for reduced value) if we willfully abdicate our responsibility to take reasonable precautions.
 
2012-12-29 03:33:49 AM

clyph: Ther'es a fine line between blaming the victim (which is wrong), and pointing out that the victim voluntarily engaged in reckless or negligent behavior which contributed to the circumstances of the crime.

If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Contributory negligence and attractive nuisance are well-established legal doctrines.


What the rapist is going to sue the victim for having an overly attractive hoo haa? Put it this way, when the cops catch you pushing a shopping cart loaded with merchandise out the door of a business after hours, your claims that the door was not only unlocked but wide open will not impress them much, nor the judge, nor your fellow prisoners at the pokie.

Personally though, it's obvious you have no idea what women have to put with.
 
2012-12-29 03:35:11 AM
Six of one, half-dozen of another...

In 2010, 8391 dowry death cases were reported across India, meaning a bride was burned every 90 minutes, according to statistics recently released by the National Crime Records Bureau....

...If her family either declined to pay or were simply unable to do so, many in-laws in connivance with their sons forced the bride into an flammable nylon sari, doused her with paraffin and set her alight, claiming she had caught fire whilst cooking.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9108642/Indian-d o wry-deaths-on-the-rise.html
 
2012-12-29 03:35:38 AM

rev. dave: Bad things. That is what is in the future.


The really sad part of all this is it doesn't have to be that way.
 
2012-12-29 03:36:12 AM
Considering how long it took the police to arrest anyone and given what I know about India I'd be shocked if all 6 men were the actual rapists.
 
2012-12-29 03:43:14 AM

RedVentrue: omeganuepsilon: RedVentrue: Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.

Sort of..

Patriarchy is also woven into most major religions, and can hang on even after religion is shed(as in the US, but we're improving * crosses fingers *).

Not the same thing, but often so entwined as to be not necessarily distinct from eachother.

Right! In this case, however, Hindu religion teaches respect for women, the culture is what is repressive. I believe this is due to 800 years or so of Muslim rule. Abrahamic religions ARE repressive towards women, and have been throughout their history.


Learn something every day. Been so long since I've read up on religions as such, that I've totally lost much of the details.

Wolf892: If I were a rapist, and knew I would get the death penalty for raping a girl, there's a better than likely chance I'll also murder her so that there's less chance of her identifying me to the police. Placing the death penalty on non murder related crimes might actually cause more murders to occur as the perpetrators try to cover up their crimes so they don't end up in the noose.


This, though it's irrelevant in this specific case where it was extremely violent and death occurred eventually. I don't necessarily agree with the stated effect(ie the argument that repurcussions and logical thinking are typically not that person's strongsuit), but it's something to seriously consider.

IMO, there are gradients to "rape", all the way down to a gray area of he said / she said, to the negative where there are false claims. (Touched on this in another thread, though it turned into how I'm a mysogynist or some such..go figure, not on Fark!).

Not saying anyone should get away with it(far from it), but on a case by case basis different punishments may be suitable. Mentally ill(ie innocently retarded but dangerous(to possibly include a frat boy who makes it with a girl that passed out if they were previously heavy petting or otherwise together), Truly psychopathic/megalomaniac(frat boy serial rapist, typically uses force and/or fear, often exceeding the need), and simply prejudiced / sociopathic.(to include the fratboy who rapes a random passed out girl that he found, because, well, he can)............not to mention mixes of the types

One could argue that anyone who does it simply "isn't right in the head", but the distinctions are important as with any other crime. Certain people you put in prison, others you put in a mental ward, some go straight to solitary / death penalty as violent and dangerously defective. Some apparently end up back on the street, living in a halfway house and not allowed within 500 yards of a school, or whatever.

I'd advocate an eye for an eye(rape and beating of the perpetrator) if it weren't for some of the perps who just wouldn't understand what was going on.(IE mentally deficient/ill category). That would be vengeance, not justice.

The other two groups? Sure, if there was some way to guarantee a non-violent case wouldn't just enjoy the shiat out of it.(no pun intended)

/I bring up frat boys because it was mentioned up thread, and in that other thread.
//A great many young white mails(stereotypical date rapist image here) are pointedly retarded, mildly dysfunctional. Many are sociopathic or even psychotic. Not all perps are created equal, and neither are the specifics behind any given types of crime.
///Most other crimes are judged on a scale of one form or another, theft to killing.
////I could even see a Manslaughter equivalent for "he says she says" if there is some evidence but no real proof, nothing really convicable(which would grant a higher degree and punishment). Put the alleged perp (maybe both involved)through some classes and individual therapy or some such. Clearly something is amiss with the both of them if that's the kind of people they're drawn to...

On that note, it's just about time for some sleep.
 
2012-12-29 03:43:57 AM

OgreMagi: clyph: OgreMagi: The problem is the police generally refuse to do anything and say the woman are whores so they deserved it.

So, not much different than the USA, in other words.

What decade do you live in?


the same one you live in. If you haven't heard, it still happens everyday in the US.
 
2012-12-29 03:46:08 AM

gibbon1: What the rapist is going to sue the victim for having an overly attractive hoo haa? Put it this way, when the cops catch you pushing a shopping cart loaded with merchandise out the door of a business after hours, your claims that the door was not only unlocked but wide open will not impress them much, nor the judge, nor your fellow prisoners at the pokie.


Nope, it won't save the perp from a burglary charge, nor should it. The shop owner is going to be SOL on any insurance claim though.

Contributory negligence doesn't diminish the crime. It does, however, diminish or even reverse civil liability. And, IMHO, moral responsibility as well.

As I said in the Boobies, blaming the victim is wrong. Reckless behavior does not excuse a crime, but conversely, neither does a crime excuse reckless behavior.

Just because you were wronged does not automatically make you blameless. Life is not a zero sum game - both parties can be wrong to varying degrees.
 
2012-12-29 04:16:25 AM
Find the people that did this, rape them, kill them, revive them, rape them again, kill them again...
 
2012-12-29 04:25:01 AM

gblive: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

All the people involved were Hindus, not Muslims.


do we know this? have the people been found? there are Muslims in the country... The most you can say about his statement is "maybe"...
 
2012-12-29 04:30:36 AM

Crazy Lee: In 2010, 8391 dowry death cases were reported across India, meaning a bride was burned every 90 minutes, according to statistics recently released by the National Crime Records Bureau....


Yeah, it's a seriously farked up culture over there. Honestly they make Saudi Arabia seem like a bastion of gender equality in comparison.
 
2012-12-29 04:58:09 AM

TigersorHawksorBoth: fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.

nah, death penalty for those who kill several people.


were it your sister, mom, niece, aunt, wife or girlfriend you may feel different
 
2012-12-29 04:59:04 AM
Perhaps in a roundabout way atomicmask is trying to make the point that had this been a Muslim country, the thread would be overwhelmingly about how Islam is a "religion of peace" but instead throughout this story Hinduism hasn't been painted with the same broad brush as Islam generally is on fark.

/probably not
//need to go puke now thinking of the awfulness of this story
 
2012-12-29 04:59:20 AM
I am heartened that India is tearing itself apart over the dignity of a rape victim. 20 or 30 years ago this might have been dismissed with a shrug. Now Indians care enough for the dignity of women that they will take to the streets.
 
2012-12-29 05:04:27 AM
Reading this thread feels like watching Fark burn.

/Nero was a troll too
 
2012-12-29 05:07:06 AM

clyph: NativeDaughter: She must have been dressed provocatively.
And she was probably drunk.

I get the point you're trying to make.

Ther'es a fine line between blaming the victim (which is wrong), and pointing out that the victim voluntarily engaged in reckless or negligent behavior which contributed to the circumstances of the crime.

If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Contributory negligence and attractive nuisance are well-established legal doctrines.


You, sir, are the reason this happens.   Please rethink breathing.
 
2012-12-29 05:20:54 AM

OgreMagi: There is absolutely no evidence that any religion had anything at all to do with this.  NONE.  But you are such a farking moron that you will always find some excuse to blame religion, especially Islam, even if every single fact says otherwise.


Both Hindus and Muslims use roaming rape gangs as a form of intimidation and local terrorism in India. The Hindus target non-Hindu, and Muslims target non-Muslims. We don't know that this incident was such a case. But it's not like the mention of religiously motivated rape in India is completely off base either.
 
2012-12-29 05:22:04 AM
I remember seeing a video a long time ago on ogre.com, or some site like that...it showed local justice to a rapist in an Indian village. They tied him to a tree, dowsed him with gas, and tossed a lit match at him. Wooosh, instant justice.
 
2012-12-29 05:27:11 AM

heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.


perhaps it was double decker? only explanation I can summon. who else was on the bus?
 
2012-12-29 05:29:34 AM

moothemagiccow: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

perhaps it was double decker? only explanation I can summon. who else was on the bus?


Read the wiki article someone posted up thread. 6 or 7 dudes stole the bus for a joyride. One of the thieves was driving. They picked up the couple who got on thinking it was their regular bus. Then they did that terrible thing.
 
2012-12-29 05:29:38 AM

duffblue: Lots of people jumping up to defend Islam in this thread and then bashing Christianity and Judaism in the next


Muslims have done plenty of stupid, violent stuff, but pointing out that India is mostly Hindu isn't 'defending Islam'.

And, what do YOU do when Christians or Jews...or Hindus... do stupid, violent things?

Pretend it never happened?

Religious folks seem to be good at that...
 
2012-12-29 05:51:36 AM

NativeDaughter: RAPISTS, regardless of what the circumstances of the rape were, are responsible for their actions. Motherfarking period.


I actually agree with you. Any criminal is responsible for his or her own actions. I do not dispute that at all. My point is that the victim is responsible for his or her own actions as well, and the victim's actions often have a direct bearing on whether or not a crime happens. Two different people, two different sets of responsibility.

Rape, murder, assault, robbery... doesn't matter. Some crimes are random and unpreventable despite whatever precautions you take. Others are crimes of opportunity made possible by willfully risky behavior. Some are committed by strangers, others by people the victim unwisely trusted.

Any crime requires means, motive, and opportunity. You have little or no control over means and motive. You can control opportunity. You can learn to recognize the warning signs of an impending rape or assault. You can learn to avoid behaviors that mark you as an easy victim. You can learn to recognize dangerous situations and avoid them. Or you can go through life blissfully unaware that you've got a blinking neon sign over your head that says "easy victim". Far too many crimes, especially rapes, happen because the victim ignored the warning signs.

Your behavior can and does have a direct impact on whether or not a criminal selects you as a victim.

TL;DR version - "victim" and "dumbass" are not mutually exclusive conditions.
 
2012-12-29 05:53:52 AM
www.newint.org
Don't dick around with rape?
 
2012-12-29 06:10:43 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion I don't know anything but i still feel entitled about my bigoted opinion.


see, if this were a cafe and you said that, I'd ask you what you thought you knew about Islam, India or anything else.
You would probably stammer, get diffuse and make yourself undoubtedly out to be the total ass you are.
a know nothing moran.

but here, you can go have at the Wikipedia and act like you know something...

but see the trick is, your post really shows you know nothing.

seewhatididthere?

/nozzle
 
2012-12-29 06:14:50 AM

redheededstepchild: But should they fear going out in public because some random dude happens to THINK what they are wearing is suductive? Is being out of the house considered "risky behavior"?


There are degrees of risk.

Going out to a public bar with friends and getting a little tipsy is a slight and reasonable risk.

Going to a frat party with a bunch of strangers, and getting passing-out drunk, is highly risky.

Going to a biker bar wearing next to nothing, getting shiathammered, and engaging in some "harmless flirting" with the natives is about as smart and blameless as going into a lion cage wearing a meat dress.
 
2012-12-29 06:15:26 AM

ArkAngel: I find it disturbing that we've had an "India gang rape" trifecta this week


That`s only because three were greenlit. There are many many more than that every single week. I saw a ted talk that said about one four year old girl who was found in a gutter with her organs hanging outside her body after being gang raped. She got aids and is dead now.

Anyone who suggests that these women and children are partly at fault because of how they look should be beaten with a rubber hose until they die because they look like a wanker to me.
 
2012-12-29 06:31:16 AM

whatshisname: make me some tea: Farking savages.

But then there's that whole issue of mass murders of 5-year-olds to consider, isn't there? Who the hell are the savages?


what kind of dead horse are you beating to death exactly?

simply put, people have a tendency to "externalize"..it's why they cry during commercials and sappy films. it's a big part of advertising.

on one hand, they give money to Ethiopia ; "for just ten cents a day....etc etc" while making fun of the homeless person down the street.

cognitive dissonance.

it is the backbone of the american dream.

"we won the cold war!"
"my shoes are Chinese!"
 
2012-12-29 06:32:42 AM

gblive: whatshisname: cmb53208: India is the pinnacle of civilization, and we should especially follow their lead on women's rights and honest government!

And yet it's fine for frat boys in a country now famous for their mass murders of children to make ignorant, ill-informed judgments on a country they have no clue about?

India has a long history of scams involving dishonest government. To get a sense of the history and size of these scams check out this two minute video.

Scams of India - A Summary Of Scams from 1947 to 2010


where is the Gunmerican version?
 
2012-12-29 06:38:17 AM
It's their culture and we must respect other cultures. We are the evil nation with all the violence and death, poor human rights and such.
 
2012-12-29 06:55:02 AM

Do_wacka_Do: It's their culture and we must respect other cultures. We are the evil nation with all the violence and death, poor human rights and such.


10/10
 
2012-12-29 07:01:27 AM

dready zim: ArkAngel: I find it disturbing that we've had an "India gang rape" trifecta this week

That`s only because three were greenlit. There are many many more than that every single week. I saw a ted talk that said about one four year old girl who was found in a gutter with her organs hanging outside her body after being gang raped. She got aids and is dead now.

Anyone who suggests that these women and children are partly at fault because of how they look should be beaten with a rubber hose until they die because they look like a wanker to me.


The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is farking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.
 
2012-12-29 07:06:09 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: fark. Just ... fark. Goddammitallsomuch. We're nothing but rats, really.


Rats are better people than we are.
 
2012-12-29 07:08:26 AM

whatshisname: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Having been on a few Indian buses - there is no rear-view mirror, and the driver may or may not be a municipal employee. It's bedlam, with 147 people on a bus designed for 60.


It was private bus.

Also, the farktards trying to make this about Islam, and not rape, should diaf.

/Hindu and Indian
 
2012-12-29 07:10:11 AM
Third world people problems.
 
2012-12-29 07:15:08 AM
I hate an awful lot of you f*ckers right now.
 
2012-12-29 07:18:08 AM

Strongbeerrules:
Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-29 07:20:48 AM

Silly Jesus: Third world people problems.


Troll now put on ignore problems.

Goodbye, you POS.
 
2012-12-29 07:21:14 AM

KellyKellyKelly: I hate an awful lot of you f*ckers right now.


Why the hate?
 
2012-12-29 07:27:21 AM

phrawgh: moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?

They are top heavy with men. In many Asian societies having a daughter is not preferred. Now, after a couple generations, the chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak, and it's a yard full of cocks. The religious (and/or political) repression, the grinding poverty and the lack of possibility of marriage and sexual release are factors these governments may not survive.

In this case, it is about the sex, but there's more.


/legitimate?



No, not really. India has a much, much higher rate of marriage than the United States or Europe.

And it's not like this type of stuff doesn't happen in the US all the time. There's a large body of academic literature about men being raped in US prisons over the last 100 years. But since it's men and prisoners, those cases are often overlooked.
 
2012-12-29 07:31:17 AM
They really like rape in india.
 
2012-12-29 07:35:21 AM

RedVentrue: brandent: sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.

I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?

Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.


I guess but I would still think it would be crazy difficult to get and maintain a stable erection with a girl bleed and crying. I mean hell I have never thought bloody snot bubbles looked hot. It's good she isn't suffering anymore having to smell that awful curry.
 
2012-12-29 07:39:44 AM

Strongbeerrules: Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


i6.photobucket.com

Plus all the Bollywood awesomenesses.
 
2012-12-29 07:43:34 AM
Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?
 
2012-12-29 07:53:41 AM

MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?


Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.
 
2012-12-29 08:06:01 AM
Well, at least she didn't die a virgin.
 
2012-12-29 08:06:51 AM

Apos: You're needed in India, Frank Castle.....


I'm not sure that'll be productive, this seems more like a Batman style problem to me.
/glad I could somehow joke about this, damn grim situation
 
2012-12-29 08:20:50 AM

scubamage: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Either the driver didn't care, or he saw the other guy on the bus get nearly beaten to death for trying to intervene and decided to keep his mouth shut. Now why he wouldn't pull up in front of a police station and get help, that I can't answer.


Because these guys probably paid off the police or the driver was worried about his kids if this happened.
 
2012-12-29 08:26:51 AM

schubie: Jesus Christ. This is the shiat that makes women in Islamic countries okay with covering themselves, being segregated and not driving. What the fark is wrong with men?



I blame genitals.
 
2012-12-29 08:34:48 AM

whatshisname:

It's kind of pathetic watching the outrage over this while last week 20 kids were murdered and the major response from the public has been "Hell no! You aren't taking my second Amendment rights away!"


What is pathetic is simpleminded morons ignoring that the outrage over this isn't just over the attack, but the frequency and the general reluctance of the authorities to prosecute those guilty in attempt to make comparisons to their own "pet tragedy".
 
2012-12-29 08:34:56 AM

Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?

Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.


Care to offer a better suggestion on how someone here can try to affect change there? Or are you the type who thinks watching Kony 2012 and hoping children in Africa aren't killed anymore will make a difference? Because if you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it.
 
2012-12-29 08:40:16 AM

MmmmBacon: Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?

Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.

Care to offer a better suggestion on how someone here can try to affect change there? Or are you the type who thinks watching Kony 2012 and hoping children in Africa aren't killed anymore will make a difference? Because if you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it.


No, I don't think that there will be a difference made. There are lots of folks over there and I don't realistically think that anything that we do here can significantly change their population to any significant degree. It's largely a shiathole third world clusterfark. I understand the human desire to fix everything, but some things just can't be fixed.
 
2012-12-29 08:44:36 AM

Strongbeerrules: Well, that's it. I'm boycotting the Tata Nano.

Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


Bad food? WTF are you on about? I had Indian buffet for lunch yesterday and it was awesome.
 
2012-12-29 08:44:41 AM

whatshisname: Can you really be so obtuse? A pack of dogs are jumping on Indians while ignoring the problems in their own country and beating their chests about how they are so much more civilized...I mean fark me, most people here are slagging Islam for the crime when they don't even know the religions of India. It's ignorance and hipocrysy all balled up into a giant clusterfark. Sort of the history of American Foreign Policy over the last 60 years in a single thread!


Most people?

Do you not understand what "most people" means, or are you just full of shiat again?


Chinchillazilla: I'm curious what kind of judgement could have helped her avoid this situation. She was not alone. She got on what she thought was a normal bus. Suddenly she was attacked by six men with a pipe. What exactly should she have done, Monday morning quarterbacker?


I am in no way blaming here here. A women should be safe on any public transport system. But I am wondering if anyone more familiar with that part of India knows if that bus route, or area is normally considered "safe".

Once again, not blaming her, but wondering how common attacks like this are and if only the severity got attention, or just that it was an attack at all there.
 
2012-12-29 08:45:49 AM
The way NaitiveDaughter is talking, she believes that a woman has a god-given right to get blackout drunk and walk around a biker bar wearing a see-thru thong bikini with complete impunity, and if something does happen to her she bears absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for putting herself in that situation.

It would be nice if that was the kind of world we lived in, where everyone was decent and respected everyone else's rights, and never took advantage of them when they let their guard down. It would be nice if we lived in a world where we could leave our front doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition of our cars.

But we don't live in that world. We live in a world inhabited by (a small number) of monsters and predators, and we ignore that fact to our own peril. Ultimately, you have to look out for yourself and take responsibility for your safety and your own actions. Furthermore, the law recognizes this fact by saying that we don't get to play the victim card (or at least only get to play it for reduced value) if we willfully abdicate our responsibility to take reasonable precautions.


I would feel perfectly safe walking around a biker bar in a see through bikini. Have you ever known a biker? Hung out with them? No? Then shut the fark up.

Rape is more about power and control than sexual desire. A rapist gets off on degrading another human being. What the victim is wearing doesn't really matter as much as you think. Every person deserves to be not-raped at all times, even if they are drunk and wearing sexy clothes.  You are using the same rationalization to justify a rape as a rapist would.
 
2012-12-29 08:46:30 AM

Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?

Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.

Care to offer a better suggestion on how someone here can try to affect change there? Or are you the type who thinks watching Kony 2012 and hoping children in Africa aren't killed anymore will make a difference? Because if you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it.

No, I don't think that there will be a difference made. There are lots of folks over there and I don't realistically think that anything that we do here can significantly change their population to any significant degree. It's largely a shiathole third world clusterfark. I understand the human desire to fix everything, but some things just can't be fixed.


Perhaps so, but standing by and writing off a whole society because of the horrific actions of some and the complicit actions of their government, seems almost as wrong in my book.
 
2012-12-29 08:49:42 AM

kinkkerbelle: The way NaitiveDaughter is talking, she believes that a woman has a god-given right to get blackout drunk and walk around a biker bar wearing a see-thru thong bikini with complete impunity, and if something does happen to her she bears absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for putting herself in that situation.

It would be nice if that was the kind of world we lived in, where everyone was decent and respected everyone else's rights, and never took advantage of them when they let their guard down. It would be nice if we lived in a world where we could leave our front doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition of our cars.

But we don't live in that world. We live in a world inhabited by (a small number) of monsters and predators, and we ignore that fact to our own peril. Ultimately, you have to look out for yourself and take responsibility for your safety and your own actions. Furthermore, the law recognizes this fact by saying that we don't get to play the victim card (or at least only get to play it for reduced value) if we willfully abdicate our responsibility to take reasonable precautions.

I would feel perfectly safe walking around a biker bar in a see through bikini. Have you ever known a biker? Hung out with them? No? Then shut the fark up.

Rape is more about power and control than sexual desire. A rapist gets off on degrading another human being. What the victim is wearing doesn't really matter as much as you think. Every person deserves to be not-raped at all times, even if they are drunk and wearing sexy clothes.  You are using the same rationalization to justify a rape as a rapist would.


I also "deserve" to be able to walk through the slums of Rio at 3a.m. wearing a Rolex, but that doesn't mean that I'm magically immune from any criticism when I am robbed and beaten to a bloody pulp, or worse. I don't get the mentality that excuses someone of all personal responsibility if something bad happens to them. Decisions that we make have consequences. Understanding that isn't condoning robbery (as above) or rape.
 
2012-12-29 08:50:54 AM

Silly Jesus: dready zim: ArkAngel: I find it disturbing that we've had an "India gang rape" trifecta this week

That`s only because three were greenlit. There are many many more than that every single week. I saw a ted talk that said about one four year old girl who was found in a gutter with her organs hanging outside her body after being gang raped. She got aids and is dead now.

Anyone who suggests that these women and children are partly at fault because of how they look should be beaten with a rubber hose until they die because they look like a wanker to me.

The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is farking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.


Is there some part of Chapelle's skit where he says it is ok to rape a whore?

Cause otherwise his bit has nothing to do with blaming women for rape based on their dress.
 
2012-12-29 08:51:09 AM

MmmmBacon: Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?

Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.

Care to offer a better suggestion on how someone here can try to affect change there? Or are you the type who thinks watching Kony 2012 and hoping children in Africa aren't killed anymore will make a difference? Because if you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it.

No, I don't think that there will be a difference made. There are lots of folks over there and I don't realistically think that anything that we do here can significantly change their population to any significant degree. It's largely a shiathole third world clusterfark. I understand the human desire to fix everything, but some things just can't be fixed.

Perhaps so, but standing by and writing off a whole society because of the horrific actions of some and the complicit actions of their government, seems almost as wrong in my book.


It's just reality. Harder for some to swallow than others.
 
2012-12-29 08:56:58 AM

kinkkerbelle: Rape is more about power and control than sexual desire. A rapist gets off on degrading another human being. What the victim is wearing doesn't really matter as much as you think. Every person deserves to be not-raped at all times, even if they are drunk and wearing sexy clothes. You are using the same rationalization to justify a rape as a rapist would.


If I left my car unlocked with a laptop in the front seat and it was stolen, somebody pointing out that it probably wouldn't have happened if my door was locked and the laptop not visible isn't rationalizing the theft.

In short, he isn't rationalizing anything.

And rape is about sexual desire. Some people get sexual desire from control.
 
2012-12-29 09:08:25 AM
You can't show that much ankle and not expect to be brutally gang raped and left for dead. Obviously she was asking for it.
 
2012-12-29 09:10:39 AM
he should be strung up by his big toes.

he should be strung up by his big toes penis.

All offending parts should be taken, namely penis, both hands, and both eyes. Then they should have a tattooed statement placed apon their forehead stating the nature of their crime, then they should be let go to make what they can out of the rest of their short miserable lives.


Human-like type detected
 
2012-12-29 09:39:07 AM
I also "deserve" to be able to walk through the slums of Rio at 3a.m. wearing a Rolex, but that doesn't mean that I'm magically immune from any criticism when I am robbed and beaten to a bloody pulp, or worse. I don't get the mentality that excuses someone of all personal responsibility if something bad happens to them. Decisions that we make have consequences. Understanding that isn't condoning robbery (as above) or rape.

Ugh. I don't like red herring for breakfast.
 
2012-12-29 09:39:35 AM

Silly Jesus: The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is farking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.


It is one thing to assume a girl is promiscuous because of how she dresses. It is quite another to rape her for it.
 
2012-12-29 09:52:21 AM

kinkkerbelle: I also "deserve" to be able to walk through the slums of Rio at 3a.m. wearing a Rolex, but that doesn't mean that I'm magically immune from any criticism when I am robbed and beaten to a bloody pulp, or worse. I don't get the mentality that excuses someone of all personal responsibility if something bad happens to them. Decisions that we make have consequences. Understanding that isn't condoning robbery (as above) or rape.

Ugh. I don't like red herring for breakfast.


Ugh, I like totally love sidestepping a valid point for breakfast.
 
2012-12-29 09:53:44 AM

swahnhennessy: Silly Jesus: The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is farking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.

It is one thing to assume a girl is promiscuous because of how she dresses. It is quite another to rape her for it.


Missed the point.

There are things that one can do to minimize their risk of X. Pointing out that someone didn't take these steps isn't the same as condoning X.
 
2012-12-29 09:55:42 AM

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.


Weirdly Islam gets most of it's ideas for the shiatty treatment of women from Leviticus.

Themoreyouknow.jpeg
 
2012-12-29 09:57:05 AM

swahnhennessy: Silly Jesus:

It is one thing to assume a girl is promiscuous because of how she dresses. It is quite another to rape her for it.


a thousand times This! She was nice enough to give you a visual treat yet you felt the need to brutally abuse her for it.

/beat your meat ~ not the treat.
 
2012-12-29 10:11:19 AM

Maul555: gblive: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

All the people involved were Hindus, not Muslims.

do we know this? have the people been found? there are Muslims in the country... The most you can say about his statement is "maybe"...


Read the summary of the case that includes the attacker's names that I posted earlier. These are not Indian Muslim names.

2012 Delhi gang rape case

Let me ask - How long have you been completely ignorant and completely incapable of reading arrticles about the case that make it clear the attackers are not Muslim? Can you imagine the outcry in India if the attackers were Muslim - every media outlet in the country would state this in their headlines (e.g. "Six Terrorist Muslims gang rape woman on bus"). Are you just pushing your own personal agenda that all Muslims are bad?
 
2012-12-29 10:12:03 AM

cc_rider: Fark this shiat. Fark it all to hell. I hope the people will keep making a huge stink over this until their society and culture will not accept this kind of crap anymore. I had no idea until recently this kind of repugnant behavior was remotely tolerated over there. I've always wanted to see India, but shiat like this makes me think twice. Ugh.


I've been to India. There's parts there where they'll kill you for your t-shirt. It's a horrible, horrible country.
 
2012-12-29 10:26:16 AM
The Republicans were right! If a woman is rape-raped, her body automatically "shuts it all down"....permanently in this case. So, when are you lefty farkers going to admit you were wrong and apologize to the GOP?
 
2012-12-29 10:34:05 AM
Her death is unfortunate; but the song and dance number at the hospital was phenomenal...
 
2012-12-29 10:40:15 AM

sleeper2995: RedVentrue: brandent: sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.

I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?

Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.

I guess but I would still think it would be crazy difficult to get and maintain a stable erection with a girl bleed and crying. I mean hell I have never thought bloody snot bubbles looked hot. It's good she isn't suffering anymore having to smell that awful curry.


That's what the pipe was for.

/ignoring racist curry comment
 
2012-12-29 10:47:04 AM

Silly Jesus: Ugh, I like totally love sidestepping a valid point for breakfast.


You're trying to make that point against other FARKers, all of whom could be concern trolls for all you know.

Point doesn't apply in the real-life article, there's nothing the couple could have done that the larger attacking force couldn't have countered, including carrying guns. Back when civilization meant anything, we understood that sometimes this shiat happens, and the best thing to do was mount an even larger police force, round up all the bastards who committed this crime (killing whoever lays down their lives to protect them in the process), and hang them all. But today we've set the standards of civilization so impossibly high that only con artists can hope to spin a sufficiently convincing lie that pretends to meet it, then wonder why so much corruption keeps going on behind those lies and eventually spills out where the whole world can see it.
 
2012-12-29 10:56:07 AM

ravenlore: sleeper2995: RedVentrue: brandent: sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.

I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?

Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.

I guess but I would still think it would be crazy difficult to get and maintain a stable erect ...


Curry is racist?
 
2012-12-29 10:57:54 AM

liam76: And rape is about sexual desire. Some people get sexual desire from control.


That first sentence, the absolute, is what blew up the last rape thread.

Some people just want gratification and "take it" where they can, because they can.

The former is more of a psychopath, the second is more of a sociopath (or more simply retarded, that can't really be ruled out because it especially doesn't warrant the same punishment necessarily)

Yes, control is involved both times, but is not the center of the motivation in the later.
 
2012-12-29 11:04:22 AM

Trik: That poor woman and her family
Her attackers should get the death penalty
They just have to make sure the right arse-holes are prosecuted

That was an unbelievably brutal attack
These guys need to be made an example of


Hell, make them AND their families an example of. I think it's time we started taking notes on the justice systems of Communist countries and just convict them and their parents, uncles, etc. for anything the state wishes to think of (fabricate the evidence if you have to). Once people start thinking about their entire families being lined up in front of a bunch of soldiers and machine guns for this specific sort of crime, then perhaps we'll see better results than the current status quo over there
 
2012-12-29 11:10:39 AM

theBigBigEye: Trik: That poor woman and her family
Her attackers should get the death penalty
They just have to make sure the right arse-holes are prosecuted

That was an unbelievably brutal attack
These guys need to be made an example of

Hell, make them AND their families an example of. I think it's time we started taking notes on the justice systems of Communist countries and just convict them and their parents, uncles, etc. for anything the state wishes to think of (fabricate the evidence if you have to). Once people start thinking about their entire families being lined up in front of a bunch of soldiers and machine guns for this specific sort of crime, then perhaps we'll see better results than the current status quo over there


The truely demented tend to not have that sense of empathy or even love, which is why they're raping in the first place, and therefore your plan would not work.
 
2012-12-29 11:12:51 AM

muzzrphochr: swahnhennessy: Silly Jesus:

It is one thing to assume a girl is promiscuous because of how she dresses. It is quite another to rape her for it.

a thousand times This! She was nice enough to give you a visual treat yet you felt the need to brutally abuse her for it.

/beat your meat ~ not the treat.


Yes! And 85 year old women wearing housecoats or lying prone in hospital beds need to cover the fark up! Some men are pieces of shiat and will rape anything with a place to put their dick.
 
2012-12-29 11:15:16 AM

omeganuepsilon: theBigBigEye: Trik: That poor woman and her family
Her attackers should get the death penalty
They just have to make sure the right arse-holes are prosecuted

That was an unbelievably brutal attack
These guys need to be made an example of

Hell, make them AND their families an example of. I think it's time we started taking notes on the justice systems of Communist countries and just convict them and their parents, uncles, etc. for anything the state wishes to think of (fabricate the evidence if you have to). Once people start thinking about their entire families being lined up in front of a bunch of soldiers and machine guns for this specific sort of crime, then perhaps we'll see better results than the current status quo over there

The truely demented tend to not have that sense of empathy or even love, which is why they're raping in the first place, and therefore your plan would not work.


Do it anyway, if only to make sex crimes a valid political crime (and the only valid type), since I don't believe anything else in this world is worse than that.
 
2012-12-29 11:25:02 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Phoenix_M: Maybe the women of India should go on a "sex strike" it wok in the Philippines.

I think that would only affect the "not willing to rape" menfolk.... the rapists would probably take it as a challenge.


These kinds of events don't just rest on the shoulders of the rapists, not when there's non-rapist enablers out there looking the other way.
 
2012-12-29 11:29:01 AM

Mad_Radhu: fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.

No need to kill them when we have spent fuel rods available.


FTFY
 
2012-12-29 11:37:52 AM

Silly Jesus: swahnhennessy: Silly Jesus: The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is farking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.

It is one thing to assume a girl is promiscuous because of how she dresses. It is quite another to rape her for it.

Missed the point.

There are things that one can do to minimize their risk of X. Pointing out that someone didn't take these steps isn't the same as condoning X.


If you were on a jury for a rape trial and the victim had dressed as you described above, would you have considered her partly to blame for the crime committed against her?
 
2012-12-29 11:40:13 AM

Bendal: Silly Jesus: swahnhennessy: Silly Jesus: The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is farking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.

It is one thing to assume a girl is promiscuous because of how she dresses. It is quite another to rape her for it.

Missed the point.

There are things that one can do to minimize their risk of X. Pointing out that someone didn't take these steps isn't the same as condoning X.

If you were on a jury for a rape trial and the victim had dressed as you described above, would you have considered her partly to blame for the crime committed against her?


Legally? No. I might have told her to not do that again though after I convicted the guy.
 
2012-12-29 12:03:48 PM
If there ever was a job for Hothead Paisan, this is it.

www.albany.edu
 
2012-12-29 12:14:45 PM

Bendal: If you were on a jury for a rape trial and the victim had dressed as you described above, would you have considered her partly to blame for the crime committed against her?


At least you stop and ask instead of jumping on whatever Fark brigade bandwagon want's to paint everyone as some huge bigot who actually condone's rape.
 
2012-12-29 12:21:51 PM

gblive: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

All the people involved were Hindus, not Muslims.


Okay, so idol worshipers instead of idol smashers. A heathen savage is a heathen savage.
 
2012-12-29 12:35:36 PM

whatshisname: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

You might want to check your geography. Also see "partition"


What of it? Northern India tends to be Muslim. As I notice news from India, it tends to be Muslim men attacking women.
 
2012-12-29 12:44:29 PM
Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. - Ghandi

Gee, if she'd only had a gun to protect herself with ....
 
2012-12-29 12:48:05 PM
WTF, India. Seriously.
 
2012-12-29 12:51:00 PM

JustinCase: whatshisname: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

You might want to check your geography. Also see "partition"

What of it? Northern India tends to be Muslim. As I notice news from India, it tends to be Muslim men attacking women.


Not so much. All the news stories from India in 2012 involving the gang rape of women involved Hindu attackers.
If any of the cases involved Muslim men then you would see all the Hindu Nationalist newspapers in India with big, bold headlines stating "Muslim Terrorists gang rape innocent women". Of course since all the attacks involved Hindu men there is barely any press coverage.
 
2012-12-29 12:52:06 PM
Sure is a good piece of luck India has strict gun laws.

Why, just think: If she had had a gun, she might have hurt those poor innocent fellows, who were just out for a little innocent fun.

\\\ aisle seat, please.
 
2012-12-29 01:19:22 PM
This is not about Islam, or Hinduism, or Christianity, or any other religion.  This is about six men who felt the need to brutally rape and murder a woman for the hell of it.
 
2012-12-29 01:24:12 PM

dickfreckle: She "passed away peacefully" with her family and officials of the Indian Embassy by her side, Dr. Kevin Loh, the chief executive of Mount Elizabeth Hospital, said in a statement.

No. No she didn't. She passed away in anger and fear. My SO was raped and it haunts her to this day.

I've always wondered if I have the skill to kill a man with my bare hands. Maybe. Maybe not. But I'd love to try. Motherf*ckers. When you rape a woman, all that tells me is that you're a weak man. Yeah, a pussy. You heard me.

/ITG, but still


Well, actually, she probably passed away under the influence of many lovely drugs. Which, if there is any competence in those hospitals, she was probably on from the point of being admitted to get rid of the pain. So her death was probably as painless as possible.

/But yeah, I'm with you
//There was a story on Fark about a year ago about a woman who cut off her rapist's head and brought it into the town square to redeem her honor. Skip the protests. Make violent retaliation for rape  on the part of the woman honorable. That might help. Or at least be untried enough to get a new reaction...
 
2012-12-29 01:46:19 PM

PsiChick: dickfreckle: She "passed away peacefully" with her family and officials of the Indian Embassy by her side, Dr. Kevin Loh, the chief executive of Mount Elizabeth Hospital, said in a statement.

No. No she didn't. She passed away in anger and fear. My SO was raped and it haunts her to this day.

I've always wondered if I have the skill to kill a man with my bare hands. Maybe. Maybe not. But I'd love to try. Motherf*ckers. When you rape a woman, all that tells me is that you're a weak man. Yeah, a pussy. You heard me.

/ITG, but still

Well, actually, she probably passed away under the influence of many lovely drugs. Which, if there is any competence in those hospitals, she was probably on from the point of being admitted to get rid of the pain. So her death was probably as painless as possible.

/But yeah, I'm with you
//There was a story on Fark about a year ago about a woman who cut off her rapist's head and brought it into the town square to redeem her honor. Skip the protests. Make violent retaliation for rape  on the part of the woman honorable. That might help. Or at least be untried enough to get a new reaction...


....Or just have their army execute them and their families in the middle of the street, in public (as I mentioned above).

/Zero bureaucratic overhead
//No red tape
///IMMEDIATE political effect!
 
2012-12-29 01:55:25 PM
Impale a few rapists, Vlad-style.

Problem solved.
 
2012-12-29 01:57:26 PM

theBigBigEye: PsiChick: dickfreckle: She "passed away peacefully" with her family and officials of the Indian Embassy by her side, Dr. Kevin Loh, the chief executive of Mount Elizabeth Hospital, said in a statement.

No. No she didn't. She passed away in anger and fear. My SO was raped and it haunts her to this day.

I've always wondered if I have the skill to kill a man with my bare hands. Maybe. Maybe not. But I'd love to try. Motherf*ckers. When you rape a woman, all that tells me is that you're a weak man. Yeah, a pussy. You heard me.

/ITG, but still

Well, actually, she probably passed away under the influence of many lovely drugs. Which, if there is any competence in those hospitals, she was probably on from the point of being admitted to get rid of the pain. So her death was probably as painless as possible.

/But yeah, I'm with you
//There was a story on Fark about a year ago about a woman who cut off her rapist's head and brought it into the town square to redeem her honor. Skip the protests. Make violent retaliation for rape  on the part of the woman honorable. That might help. Or at least be untried enough to get a new reaction...

....Or just have their army execute them and their families in the middle of the street, in public (as I mentioned above).

/Zero bureaucratic overhead
//No red tape
///IMMEDIATE political effect!


The problem with that is that it removes both power and pressure from the woman. I hate to say it, but that's the reasoning behind burqas--men must avenge rape, therefore need to 'protect' women so they don't have to kill. Having the army do it doesn't change the concept.

Having the  woman, or one of her female family members do it, means the women involved have a better understanding of the situation and what the woman is going through, and leads to it being less likely that the society will demand things like burqas.

/My .02
//This actually is totally unfounded in anything other than my personal opinion, so take it as you will.
 
2012-12-29 02:07:38 PM
Heap
not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

I don't want to look up the particular article again, but Its my understanding that he participated and that he's also being charged.
 
2012-12-29 02:21:35 PM
Clyph
If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Yeah, the carelessness of that woman, being out with a male companion and boarding a bus at 9 pm.

Even if she was careless, what difference does it make? She's not getting an insurance payout. This isn't a civil case, its a criminal justice case.
 
2012-12-29 02:34:09 PM
SillyJesus
I'm going to say it yet again, because you don't get it.

There is no correlation between dressing provocatively and being raped. There are many criminology studies and interviews with rapists indicating that it is about power and degredation, not sexual attraction.

The fact that you start in with the "women shouldn't dress a certain way because it provokes rape" in a case where the victim died from having an iron rod RAMMED INTO HER ANUS AND BEING LITERALLY DISEMBOWELED shows you're a blithering idiot.

 Your comments about what women wear are not simply irrelevant, but downright grotesque.

How much more proof do you need that it wasn't about sexual gratification?
 
2012-12-29 02:37:36 PM

MeanJean: SillyJesus
I'm going to say it yet again, because you don't get it.

There is no correlation between dressing provocatively and being raped. There are many criminology studies and interviews with rapists indicating that it is about power and degredation, not sexual attraction.

The fact that you start in with the "women shouldn't dress a certain way because it provokes rape" in a case where the victim died from having an iron rod RAMMED INTO HER ANUS AND BEING LITERALLY DISEMBOWELED shows you're a blithering idiot.

 Your comments about what women wear are not simply irrelevant, but downright grotesque.

How much more proof do you need that it wasn't about sexual gratification?


Meh, you didn't pay attention to the context of my post and to who / what it was directed so I'm not going to waste a lot of time with you.
 
2012-12-29 02:43:46 PM

Silly Jesus: MeanJean: SillyJesus
I'm going to say it yet again, because you don't get it.

There is no correlation between dressing provocatively and being raped. There are many criminology studies and interviews with rapists indicating that it is about power and degredation, not sexual attraction.

The fact that you start in with the "women shouldn't dress a certain way because it provokes rape" in a case where the victim died from having an iron rod RAMMED INTO HER ANUS AND BEING LITERALLY DISEMBOWELED shows you're a blithering idiot.

 Your comments about what women wear are not simply irrelevant, but downright grotesque.

How much more proof do you need that it wasn't about sexual gratification?

Meh, you didn't pay attention to the context of my post and to who / what it was directed so I'm not going to waste a lot of time with you.


That's a smart move. He/she/it blew up the last rape thread.
 
2012-12-29 02:45:22 PM
SillyJesus
Meh, you didn't pay attention to the context of my post and to who / what it was directed so I'm not going to waste a lot of time with you.

Is that you, Judge Dewar?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/02/25/no-woman-asks-to-be-raped-vi ct im-slams-judges-decision/

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Justice-Dewar-removed- fr om-cases-of-sexual-nature-117193448.html

/or are you just another "clumsy Don Juan"?
 
2012-12-29 02:48:28 PM

MeanJean: SillyJesus
Meh, you didn't pay attention to the context of my post and to who / what it was directed so I'm not going to waste a lot of time with you.

Is that you, Judge Dewar?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/02/25/no-woman-asks-to-be-raped-vi ct im-slams-judges-decision/

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Justice-Dewar-removed- fr om-cases-of-sexual-nature-117193448.html

/or are you just another "clumsy Don Juan"?


I'll take the advice of omeganuepsilon.
 
2012-12-29 02:52:58 PM
I can't seem to find a good copy of the original poster this is from, so I'm going to just post it verbatim.

Don't wear make-up.
Don't wear your hair long.
Don't wear short skirts.
Don't wear high heels.
Don't wear tight-fitting clothes.
Don't look sexy.
Don't bat your eyelashes.
Don't crack dirty jokes.
Don't flirt.
Don't smile at strangers.
Don't offer to help strangers.
Don't go out at night.
Don't go to parties.
Don't go on dates.
Don't go anywhere alone.
Don't attract attention.
Don't work late.
Don't trust anyone.
Don't say yes.
Don't say no.
Don't be a woman.
Don't exist.
 
2012-12-29 03:01:19 PM

MeanJean: I can't seem to find a good copy of the original poster this is from, so I'm going to just post it verbatim.

Don't wear make-up.
Don't wear your hair long.
Don't wear short skirts.
Don't wear high heels.
Don't wear tight-fitting clothes.
Don't look sexy.
Don't bat your eyelashes.
Don't crack dirty jokes.
Don't flirt.
Don't smile at strangers.
Don't offer to help strangers.
Don't go out at night.
Don't go to parties.
Don't go on dates.
Don't go anywhere alone.
Don't attract attention.
Don't work late.
Don't trust anyone.
Don't say yes.
Don't say no.
Don't be a woman.
Don't exist.


Don't fart.
Don't belch.
Don't drive.
 
2012-12-29 03:03:31 PM

MeanJean: There is no correlation between dressing provocatively and being raped. There are many criminology studies and interviews with rapists indicating that it is about power and degredation, not sexual attraction.



In this case I don't think there is anything different th ewoman coudl have done. She was with a mae friend on public transport, so don't try and turn what I am saying into blaming the victim int his or any other case, but I think the above statement is wrong.

The variables found to be related to women's being sexually victimized were (a) number of different lifetime sexual partners, (b) provocative dress, and (c) alcohol use

Also there are a number of studies that have men and women looking at pictures and given scenarios after which they are asked to assign blame. When the women are dressed more provocatively they get more "blame". This to me is going to also send a signal tot he rapist that they are more likely to "get away" with it.
 
2012-12-29 03:25:16 PM
Liam76

Thank you for actually presenting me with an intelligent reply. In regards to the study, I would agree that alcohol use (which lowers your defenses) obviously is linked to the likelihood of sexual assault. As for number of different lifetime sexual partners... how exactly would an attacker know this? Furthermore, since the study is made up of college women, the factor of "provocative" clothing is probably due to the fact that heavy drinking (and rape) in college environments tends to take place at parties...where women are more likely to wear provocative clothing. The last two seem to be a classic case of correlation not equaling causation. Its like concluding that the sale of ice cream causes drownings because they both rise during the summer.

I wish I could download the entire article somewhere but I can't find it.

Also there are a number of studies that have men and women looking at pictures and given scenarios after which they are asked to assign blame. When the women are dressed more provocatively they get more "blame". This to me is going to also send a signal tot he rapist that they are more likely to "get away" with it.

Then the solution is obvious. We as a culture need to stop blaming women for dressing provocatively.

I refer you to this book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=hUCUg02fqCgC&pg=PA2&dq=rape+pseudo- se xual&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_FDfUNTkAey50AHyyYGwCQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q= rape%20pseudo-sexual&f=false

And this one:
http://books.google.com/books?id=mGaOIzxRByoC&pg=PA49&dq=rape+pseudo -s exual&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_FDfUNTkAey50AHyyYGwCQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q =rape%20pseudo-sexual&f=false

Especially the passage mentioning that in one study of 1,000 offenders over a 16-year period, all the offenders were sexually active males involved in consensual relationships at the time of the offense.
 
2012-12-29 03:42:10 PM
She should have picked Mamba.
 
2012-12-29 03:52:32 PM

MeanJean: Thank you for actually presenting me with an intelligent reply. In regards to the study, I would agree that alcohol use (which lowers your defenses) obviously is linked to the likelihood of sexual assault. As for number of different lifetime sexual partners... how exactly would an attacker know this?


They wouldn't. they are looking at things that people who were attacked had in common.


MeanJean: Furthermore, since the study is made up of college women, the factor of "provocative" clothing is probably due to the fact that heavy drinking (and rape) in college environments tends to take place at parties...where women are more likely to wear provocative clothing. The last two seem to be a classic case of correlation not equaling causation. Its like concluding that the sale of ice cream causes drownings because they both rise during the summer.

I wish I could download the entire article somewhere but I can't find it.


I haven't looked at all the figures, but I am sure they did something to separate dress from drinking in their analysis.

MeanJean: Then the solution is obvious. We as a culture need to stop blaming women for dressing provocatively.


I am fine with that. I don't "blame" women who dress provocatively, but it is no different than displaying a laptop in a car.

A guy gets his laptop stolen, that is farked up. It is to be blamed on the thief. But actions on the part of the victim still drew attention of the attacker. We as a culture know that stealing is wrong, but we are still going to say you should hide that laptop.

MeanJean: I refer you to this book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=hUCUg02fqCgC&pg=PA2&dq=rape+pseudo- se xual&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_FDfUNTkAey50AHyyYGwCQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q= rape%20pseudo-sexual&f=false



That starts out saying rapists are often portrayed as the victims of "provocative and vindictive" woman. It is pretty tought for me to take that seriously. Same with the victim of their own desire. I am looking for some study that shows evidence that any link between dress is wrong. This isn't i (at least that passage).


MeanJean: Especially the passage mentioning that in one study of 1,000 offenders over a 16-year period, all the offenders were sexually active males involved in consensual relationships at the time of the offense


Yeah, I am going to trust a rapist on how consensual his relationships were.

Snark aside, do you have an article or study that sums that up, not going to invest that much time on it. Even if they are telling the truth, so what. Just because they were in a consensual relationship doesn't mean the dress of their victim played a role.

WRT that passage I get that for some rape is about power and them getting off on controlling/degrading someone but you can't completely separate it from a sexual act otherwise you would have just as many rapes committed by women and against men by men.

Doing a word search for provocative most of them are people complaining about it being a myth and bringing up things like veils as proof. I don't think dress is a factor in every rape, nor has anyone else said that, but that doesn't mean it never is.
 
2012-12-29 03:58:07 PM
A simple death sentence is too good for those monsters. Sometimes I wish society could selectively go medieval on those who truly, truly deserved it.
 
2012-12-29 03:59:39 PM

liam76: Also there are a number of studies that have men and women looking at pictures and given scenarios after which they are asked to assign blame. When the women are dressed more provocatively they get more "blame". This to me is going to also send a signal tot he rapist that they are more likely to "get away" with it.


I think the "blame" game is pointless aggrandizement.

1. Bad people do bad things, for various reasons. Each individual has different drives priorities and flawed human reasoning behind why they did what they did. Assuming / projecting that all rape comes from the same place is a dangerous viewpoint. If people think they're safe from X because, Y, it can cause less precaution to be taken.

2. About precaution and a warning about dress. It's a proverbial meaning, and not necessarily specific. Analyze the situation(be it a party, walking alone at night, whatever), and be as safe as you can or don't partake if risk is that high.

#1 "Blame" is only the perp
#2 does not blame anyone, it is only an attempt to educate and lower risk factors, if not prevent. It is not relevant to past victims in particular, and a pointless thing to take personally, as if it's some mandate or law that's hindering one's rights.

Obviously, there are many conservative types that do blame the women, but too many vague statements are taken literally, and the Brigade jumps on all statements because that is the sentiment they wish to rage against, even if it was the most figurative, even explained as such.

Even at that...
I remember a thread a few months ago, some perv was accosting girls on the subway that were in school uniform.
People had the audacity to complain that someone said to not wear your uniform on the subway until the guy is caught, when we knew for a fact, that those people were being singled out for their dress. Typical "You're blaming the victim! You can't tell us what to wear! We should be free to do as we please!" ..typical BS.

Pants on head retarded rage.
 
2012-12-29 04:15:38 PM

mayIFark: cmb53208: Can't we all agree that India is a backward, disease-riddden shiatthole? Why do we outsource jobs to these asswipes again?

Lost your job to one of the indian call centers?

It was a horrible crime, and a very sad event. Treat it like that. trying to define a country by the action of a few (or that idiotic event to define a religion that has nothing to do with it) is not helpful to anyone.

PEOPLE, THIS IS A VERY SAD AND TERRIBLE EVENT. PLEASE STOP TRYING TO BEND IT TO GET TO YOUR AGENDA.


Problem is, its not an isolated incident. shiat like this happens on a daily basis in India you just don't hear about it.
 
2012-12-29 04:19:47 PM

Toy_Cop: mayIFark: cmb53208: Can't we all agree that India is a backward, disease-riddden shiatthole? Why do we outsource jobs to these asswipes again?

Lost your job to one of the indian call centers?

It was a horrible crime, and a very sad event. Treat it like that. trying to define a country by the action of a few (or that idiotic event to define a religion that has nothing to do with it) is not helpful to anyone.

PEOPLE, THIS IS A VERY SAD AND TERRIBLE EVENT. PLEASE STOP TRYING TO BEND IT TO GET TO YOUR AGENDA.

Problem is, its not an isolated incident. shiat like this happens on a daily basis in India you just don't hear about it.


Just like all of the bad things that happen in America that we just don't hear about.  That doesn't mean that you should excuse this for being what it is, nor should you paint an entire COUNTRY with that brush.
 
2012-12-29 05:03:40 PM
On the good news front, the latest articles state the attackers will be charged with murder.

Attackers in India rape case to face murder charge

Some interesting quotes from the article:

The tragedy has forced India to confront the reality that sexually assaulted women are often blamed for the crime, forcing them to keep quiet and discouraging them from reporting it to authorities for fear of exposing their families to ridicule. Police often refuse to accept complaints from those who are courageous enough to report the rapes, and the rare prosecutions that reach courts drag on for years.

Mourners gathered at Jantar Mantar to express their grief and demand stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment. Women face daily harassment across India, ranging from catcalls on the streets, groping and touching in public transport to rape.
 
2012-12-29 06:11:28 PM
rape, murder, arson, and rape
 
2012-12-29 07:58:29 PM

PsiChick: theBigBigEye: PsiChick: dickfreckle: She "passed away peacefully" with her family and officials of the Indian Embassy by her side, Dr. Kevin Loh, the chief executive of Mount Elizabeth Hospital, said in a statement.

No. No she didn't. She passed away in anger and fear. My SO was raped and it haunts her to this day.

I've always wondered if I have the skill to kill a man with my bare hands. Maybe. Maybe not. But I'd love to try. Motherf*ckers. When you rape a woman, all that tells me is that you're a weak man. Yeah, a pussy. You heard me.

/ITG, but still

Well, actually, she probably passed away under the influence of many lovely drugs. Which, if there is any competence in those hospitals, she was probably on from the point of being admitted to get rid of the pain. So her death was probably as painless as possible.

/But yeah, I'm with you
//There was a story on Fark about a year ago about a woman who cut off her rapist's head and brought it into the town square to redeem her honor. Skip the protests. Make violent retaliation for rape  on the part of the woman honorable. That might help. Or at least be untried enough to get a new reaction...

....Or just have their army execute them and their families in the middle of the street, in public (as I mentioned above).

/Zero bureaucratic overhead
//No red tape
///IMMEDIATE political effect!

The problem with that is that it removes both power and pressure from the woman. I hate to say it, but that's the reasoning behind burqas--men must avenge rape, therefore need to 'protect' women so they don't have to kill. Having the army do it doesn't change the concept.

Having the  woman, or one of her female family members do it, means the women involved have a better understanding of the situation and what the woman is going through, and leads to it being less likely that the society will demand things like burqas.

/My .02
//This actually is totally unfounded in anything other than my personal opinion, so take it as you will.



I try not to be all Internet Tough Chick, but i really like this idea.
 
2012-12-29 09:52:51 PM
The Hindu culture everyone. Welcome to celebrate diversity week. I better understand now why there are so many Indian females applying to our graduate program.
 
2012-12-30 11:03:15 PM
Liam76
 I don't "blame" women who dress provocatively, but it is no different than displaying a laptop in a car.

 I don't think dress is a factor in every rape, nor has anyone else said that, but that doesn't mean it never is.

(sigh)

Welp, I tried.
 
2012-12-30 11:17:19 PM

MeanJean: Liam76
 I don't "blame" women who dress provocatively, but it is no different than displaying a laptop in a car.

 I don't think dress is a factor in every rape, nor has anyone else said that, but that doesn't mean it never is.

(sigh)

Welp, I tried.


MeanJean: Liam76
 I don't "blame" women who dress provocatively, but it is no different than displaying a laptop in a car.

 I don't think dress is a factor in every rape, nor has anyone else said that, but that doesn't mean it never is.

(sigh)

Welp, I tried.


Yeah, it's so depressing when people don't buy your brand of misinformation.
 
2012-12-31 12:35:28 AM

Silly Jesus: MeanJean: I can't seem to find a good copy of the original poster this is from, so I'm going to just post it verbatim.

Don't wear make-up.
Don't wear your hair long.
Don't wear short skirts.
Don't wear high heels.
Don't wear tight-fitting clothes.
Don't look sexy.
Don't bat your eyelashes.
Don't crack dirty jokes.
Don't flirt.
Don't smile at strangers.
Don't offer to help strangers.
Don't go out at night.
Don't go to parties.
Don't go on dates.
Don't go anywhere alone.
Don't attract attention.
Don't work late.
Don't trust anyone.
Don't say yes.
Don't say no.
Don't be a woman.
Don't exist.

Don't fart.
Don't belch.
Don't drive.

Don't fence
Don't steal
Don't pass
Don't press
Don't pry
Don't feel
Gimme some more
Don't touch I feel numb
Don't dive
Don't suffer
Don't rhyme
Don't fantasize
Don't rise
Don't lie
I feel numb
Don't project
Don't connect
Protect I feel numb
Don't expect
Suggest

Don't project
Don't connect
Protect I feel numb
Don't expect
Suggest

I feel numb
 
2012-12-31 01:20:15 AM

omeganuepsilon: MeanJean: Liam76
 I don't "blame" women who dress provocatively, but it is no different than displaying a laptop in a car.

 I don't think dress is a factor in every rape, nor has anyone else said that, but that doesn't mean it never is.

(sigh)

Welp, I tried.

Yeah, it's so depressing when people don't buy your brand of misinformation.


First of all, inappropriate dress does differ from culture to culture.  So the whole concept of what a woman was wearing caused her to be raped is bunk loosely based on the culture of the rapist.

But using the whole laptop in the car in a bad neighborhood analogy.  Last I checked the neighborhoods with the bars on the windows and the electric fences where shiatty neighborhoods.  Even if you don't have a nice car or a valuable in it, it still runs the risk of being broken into.  And there are places you can live where people don't care to do that to your car even with the windows open and the doors unlocked.

So clearly it's more of a cultural thing that needs to be fixed.  Blaming someone's clothing doesn't seem to even come close to the issue at hand.
 
2012-12-31 02:55:13 AM

Makh: Blaming someone's clothing doesn't seem to even come close to the issue at hand.


Thing is we're not placing blame at all. That's MeanJean projecting what he/she/it wants to argue against.

Makh: But using the whole laptop in the car in a bad neighborhood analogy.  Last I checked the neighborhoods with the bars on the windows and the electric fences where shiatty neighborhoods.  Even if you don't have a nice car or a valuable in it, it still runs the risk of being broken into.  And there are places you can live where people don't care to do that to your car even with the windows open and the doors unlocked.


That's why the analogy works. There are places where your likelyhood of rape goes up, and places where it all but vanishes.

You walk naked through a really bad neighborhood, your chances of rape go up. I was going to say skyrocket, but even the dumbest of criminals may grasp the concept of "don't stick your dick in crazy".

Walk naked through a bum homestead in an abandoned subway, odds are pretty damn high at that point. Flash enough skin at someone who's not necessarily all there, and he's going to grab it or worse.

The polar opposite of wearing a snowsuit in a courtroom.

No one is specifically saying "Her skirt was short, therefore rape". No one is specifically saying that women have to wear full length clothes. We're saying that it can be a motivator in some perpetrators. That's it.

Why make the distinction? Because some people put forth that it's NEVER about sexual attraction, that it's ONLY about Dominance and POWER. The absolute is nonsense, there is no such consensus as purported by MJ.

It's not always about degredation, revenge, dominance, sadism, etc. Sometimes, not all the time, people see something they want, and they take it. That's it.

Ever see some creep rub his dick through his pants in public? He's not powertripping, it just feels good.
The dog that humps your leg? Yeah, it's a total domination thing going on, he pwns you, biatch!
Ducks rape as a means of reproduction, genetalia on both genders has evolved along those lines. Ducks aren't all ego trippin' fools, they just want some so they take it.

That puts our societal norms into perspetive. What if rape were not illegal in a given region, what if women were basicly slaves to be had whenever. Is it still about dominance/power/etc? Sure, dominance is employed, but is it possible that the guy just wants to get a nut off and does so?

Means =/= the motivation.

The distinction is fairly important in the world of psychology. Many animals rape because they simply want it, and are physically able to take it.
The only thing it proves is a lack of empathy, and in humans, sociopathy(disregard for rules made up by others).

It is not, by necessary fact, indicative of mental deficiency or psychosis.

A similar current debate is the desire for younger girls(still of breeding age). There is argument to remove that fixation from a list of mental illness in the DSM, because it's a societal norm, and there is nothing mentally wrong with a male who wants to breed with a mate who is more likely to bear his and only his offspring. It was even accepted in human society not so long ago. That's how the virgin thing became attractive. Not "it feels better", but "I know the kids will be mine". The only thing "wrong" with such a person who acts on such urges is that he's going against societal norms.

It's an important distinction, because psychology is still a budding science, and as a science, should be free of morals in that sense, when it comes to codifying behaviors as such. We are just animals, and we haven't figured ourselves out yet. To deny the logic in favor of moralistic self importance is dangerous ignorance.

No better than teaching "because, GOD." in place of real chemistry or physics.

Sure, it works for the church, when it WANTS to keep the people ignorant and loyal. Not so much when the goal is education in and of itself, the ultimate goal being a better tomorrow.
 
2012-12-31 05:45:35 AM

Makh: omeganuepsilon: MeanJean: Liam76
 I don't "blame" women who dress provocatively, but it is no different than displaying a laptop in a car.

 I don't think dress is a factor in every rape, nor has anyone else said that, but that doesn't mean it never is.

(sigh)

Welp, I tried.

Yeah, it's so depressing when people don't buy your brand of misinformation.

First of all, inappropriate dress does differ from culture to culture.  So the whole concept of what a woman was wearing caused her to be raped is bunk loosely based on the culture of the rapist.

But using the whole laptop in the car in a bad neighborhood analogy.  Last I checked the neighborhoods with the bars on the windows and the electric fences where shiatty neighborhoods.  Even if you don't have a nice car or a valuable in it, it still runs the risk of being broken into.  And there are places you can live where people don't care to do that to your car even with the windows open and the doors unlocked.

So clearly it's more of a cultural thing that needs to be fixed.  Blaming someone's clothing doesn't seem to even come close to the issue at hand.


I can't say *THIS* enough.
 
2012-12-31 05:56:50 AM

omeganuepsilon: It's not always about degredation, revenge, dominance, sadism, etc. Sometimes, not all the time, people see something they want, and they take it. That's it.


Someone who thinks they can just take whatever they want (in this example a woman) has an entitlement issue, and certainly not above degrading the victim in some way during the act. It's all the same when someone is being raped. The act itself is degrading because the victim is being treated like an object instead of a person. How you can separate those things is boggling.

omeganuepsilon: There are places where your likelyhood of rape goes up, and places where it all but vanishes.


That ignores the SCORES of rape cases that AREN'T reported because the victim knew their attacker- which is the majority of cases. These cases happen in otherwise safe places- the victim's house, their work, their school. Focusing on "bad neighborhoods" is totally missing the point, because most rapes don't happen that way. The "rapist in the bushes" is largely a myth. Serial rapists use drugs, alcohol, trust and foggy circumstances as their leverage, not guns or knives. They know the commonly accepted but very narrow definition of rape so they don't engage in those methods.

What people like I and MeanJean are trying to do here, is get it through to people that rape is NOT the stranger in the bushes with a knife, it can happen to anyone, anywhere, and that blaming the victim does nothing but continue to give these rapists the cover they need to keep doing what they do without consequence. Quibbling about the ultimately inconsequential things like the victim's sexual history, clothing or other things is missing the point and getting nothing done.
 
2012-12-31 07:00:44 AM

Troublesome Strumpet: omeganuepsilon: It's not always about degredation, revenge, dominance, sadism, etc. Sometimes, not all the time, people see something they want, and they take it. That's it.

Someone who thinks they can just take whatever they want (in this example a woman) has an entitlement issue, and certainly not above degrading the victim in some way during the act. It's all the same when someone is being raped. The act itself is degrading because the victim is being treated like an object instead of a person. How you can separate those things is boggling.


Nobody is saying the act isn't degrading. the point is the person isn't doing it for the sake of the degredation all the time.

Troublesome Strumpet: omeganuepsilon: There are places where your likelyhood of rape goes up, and places where it all but vanishes.

That ignores the SCORES of rape cases that AREN'T reported because the victim knew their attacker- which is the majority of cases. These cases happen in otherwise safe places- the victim's house, their work, their school. Focusing on "bad neighborhoods" is totally missing the point, because most rapes don't happen that way. The "rapist in the bushes" is largely a myth. Serial rapists use drugs, alcohol, trust and foggy circumstances as their leverage, not guns or knives. They know the commonly accepted but very narrow definition of rape so they don't engage in those methods.


Put the brakes on. You are arguing against a point he didn't make. Yes or no do you think rape is more or less likely in some areas?

Troublesome Strumpet: What people like I and MeanJean are trying to do here, is get it through to people that rape is NOT the stranger in the bushes with a knife, it can happen to anyone, anywhere,


What you seem to be missing is that nobody is arguing that is what they always are.

On top of that claim is flat out wrong. Look at this very case.

Troublesome Strumpet: and that blaming the victim does nothing but continue to give these rapists the cover they need to keep doing what they do without consequence. Quibbling about the ultimately inconsequential things like the victim's sexual history, clothing or other things is missing the point and getting nothing done


Who is blaming the victim?

This is why people keep bringing up the car analogy. Because any comment on rape gets truned, by people like you, to an accusation of blaming the victim.

Saying you shouldn't have your car unlocked with a laptop int he front seat is no different than saying you shouldn't have been hanging out in a skimpy dress drunk with people you don't know. Neither of those alleviates blame from the criminal. Neither of those blame the victim.
 
2012-12-31 09:51:19 AM

MeanJean: Liam76
 I don't "blame" women who dress provocatively, but it is no different than displaying a laptop in a car.

 I don't think dress is a factor in every rape, nor has anyone else said that, but that doesn't mean it never is.

(sigh)

Welp, I tried.


You linked to books that didn't adress my points, and you pretended saying some actiosn puts one at greater risk was blaming the victim.

Ithink what you tried to do was keep your mind closed.
 
2012-12-31 01:13:30 PM
 Liam76
Snore.
 
2012-12-31 01:14:25 PM
 Liam76
And also blocked.

/hit add comment too soon
 
2012-12-31 02:50:46 PM

liam76: Troublesome Strumpet: omeganuepsilon: It's not always about degredation, revenge, dominance, sadism, etc. Sometimes, not all the time, people see something they want, and they take it. That's it.

Someone who thinks they can just take whatever they want (in this example a woman) has an entitlement issue, and certainly not above degrading the victim in some way during the act. It's all the same when someone is being raped. The act itself is degrading because the victim is being treated like an object instead of a person. How you can separate those things is boggling.

Nobody is saying the act isn't degrading. the point is the person isn't doing it for the sake of the degredation all the time.


This.
Effect =/= Cause

On degradation:

Degradation is an act only made possible by the constructs of human society. The dog is not degrading your leg, ducks are not degrading other ducks, that's just the way they are. There is no real real ill intent, just a lack of caring about others.

Even the word, degradation, is based on some moral belief that we're elevated in some way, that we're not really animals.

A lack of empathy is all, I noted that above somewhere. In all honesty, empathy is pretty selective in humans. If perfect empathy were as common as in an ideal utopia(that some pretend we live in by promoting humans as NOT animals), we'd not have war, fighting, partisan politics, etc Lack of empathy is part of what makes us human. Typically, beyond our inner circle, we don't have much empathy, we only have that because of the bonding process and after that, indoctrination.(ie religions, races, patriotism, even the sexes[ male and female pride]).

Here's a question that illustrates my point. Do women feel the same way a man does when a video of a guy getting kicked in the nuts is shown?
Sure, I'm told it can hurt like hell for women, but is it a whole body hell on earth? Knotted insides like painful diarhea ramps only amplified, complete shutdown of some, if not all mental faculties, in addition to the urge to vomit.. Imagine the sickest you've ever been, the worst flu, when you feel like you're on the edge of death, you vomit so hard you shiat at the same time, and you've been doing it for days and your body aches and cramps from doing it so much, your skull is simply to small for your brain, even motor response shuts down and you curl up in a protective fetal position by pure instinct.

Imagine that whole situation, only no slow start, just sudden and instant in that intensity. Do you really see a phantom of that when you happen to see some guy get nutshot on America's Funniest Video's, or do you maybe just laugh a bit and watch the next clip?

Empathy is a largely talked about trait that we all possess, but we really don't posess it at the levels that a lot of philosophers and well wishers would like to think, all to varying degrees and a few, none at all.

Sure, we're capable of higher thought, stronger than many other forms of life, etc. But are we integrally different so much as to be alien? No, arguing human superiority of the kind that I mention above is on par with extremely fundamentalist religious zealotry or alien conspiracy theories, or whatever other flavor of evolution denier that you want to dream up.

We are products of our evolutionary past, not defined by religiosity or philosophy, we are merely animals and have much in common with more "lower life forms" than most people would like to admit, for their need to feel "special."

If one can even be degraded, it implies a false superiority complex is present.(if it were not a false complex, it would not be able to be torn down by mere violence). That seems like an outlandish statement to you? Compare it to simple rational facts and how sturdy they are in our minds. How much of a beating would it take to get you to actually Believe 1+1 does NOT equal 2.

I move that so many people are so incredibly NOT self aware, that that's proof that we are simple animals, even more retarded than most. We live in a world that we're slowly figuring out, but because we're so numerous, the variety of our individual madnesses is great, but ultimately finite.

We are not precious and unique snowflakes. We, as a species, wear rose colored glasses, and are upset when some actual light peeks in around the frames. So great is our social construct that some people go years or decades without knowing there are non-rose wavelengths(IE MJ above). Most of humanity lives in a built up delusion.

This is why we have words like disillusioned and enlightened. We all have out illusions when it comes to X, B and M, but not everyone has area's that the see in a better light than others. Sometimes when that illusion falls apart we just react with confusion, and hence anger and hate, instead of trying to be intellectual about it.

Obviously, some people are simply incapable of that.
 
2012-12-31 03:36:07 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Toy_Cop: mayIFark: cmb53208: Can't we all agree that India is a backward, disease-riddden shiatthole? Why do we outsource jobs to these asswipes again?

Lost your job to one of the indian call centers?

It was a horrible crime, and a very sad event. Treat it like that. trying to define a country by the action of a few (or that idiotic event to define a religion that has nothing to do with it) is not helpful to anyone.

PEOPLE, THIS IS A VERY SAD AND TERRIBLE EVENT. PLEASE STOP TRYING TO BEND IT TO GET TO YOUR AGENDA.

Problem is, its not an isolated incident. shiat like this happens on a daily basis in India you just don't hear about it.

Just like all of the bad things that happen in America that we just don't hear about.  That doesn't mean that you should excuse this for being what it is, nor should you paint an entire COUNTRY with that brush.


It is something of a national problem though, when even the Indians are sick of this shiat.
 
2012-12-31 04:43:27 PM

Silly Jesus: I also "deserve" to be able to walk through the slums of Rio at 3a.m. wearing a Rolex, but that doesn't mean that I'm magically immune from any criticism when I am robbed and beaten to a bloody pulp, or worse. I don't get the mentality that excuses someone of all personal responsibility if something bad happens to them. Decisions that we make have consequences. Understanding that isn't condoning robbery (as above) or rape.


That didn't happen here. Stop moving the goal posts, end zones, and stadiums around.

sleeper2995: RedVentrue: brandent: sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.

I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?

Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.

I guess but I would still think it would be crazy difficult to get and maintain a stable erection with a gi ...


When a group of guys are daring each other to go farther, more ruthless, more demeaning, than the last act, horrible outcomes are almost guaranteed.
 
2013-01-01 12:51:23 AM

liam76: Troublesome Strumpet: omeganuepsilon: It's not always about degredation, revenge, dominance, sadism, etc. Sometimes, not all the time, people see something they want, and they take it. That's it.

Someone who thinks they can just take whatever they want (in this example a woman) has an entitlement issue, and certainly not above degrading the victim in some way during the act. It's all the same when someone is being raped. The act itself is degrading because the victim is being treated like an object instead of a person. How you can separate those things is boggling.

Nobody is saying the act isn't degrading. the point is the person isn't doing it for the sake of the degredation all the time.

Troublesome Strumpet: omeganuepsilon: There are places where your likelyhood of rape goes up, and places where it all but vanishes.

That ignores the SCORES of rape cases that AREN'T reported because the victim knew their attacker- which is the majority of cases. These cases happen in otherwise safe places- the victim's house, their work, their school. Focusing on "bad neighborhoods" is totally missing the point, because most rapes don't happen that way. The "rapist in the bushes" is largely a myth. Serial rapists use drugs, alcohol, trust and foggy circumstances as their leverage, not guns or knives. They know the commonly accepted but very narrow definition of rape so they don't engage in those methods.

Put the brakes on. You are arguing against a point he didn't make. Yes or no do you think rape is more or less likely in some areas?

Troublesome Strumpet: What people like I and MeanJean are trying to do here, is get it through to people that rape is NOT the stranger in the bushes with a knife, it can happen to anyone, anywhere,

What you seem to be missing is that nobody is arguing that is what they always are.

On top of that claim is flat out wrong. Look at this very case.

Troublesome Strumpet: and that blaming the victim does nothing but continue to give these rap ...


You do not seem to understand. . . to a rapist, women are always the unlocked car.

You keep setting up this straw victim, talking about walking through bad neighborhoods in skimpy clothing . . . the only people who do that with any regularity are prostitutes, and, this may come as a shock to you, but they too have a right to say no and have that respected.

As for your BS about denigration being a "social construct". . . well, that's BS. Using big words does not make your statements true. As a human being, and one who has been raped, I can tell you that being treated not as a human, but as an object, is humiliating and it nearly destroyed me. Being made to feel less DOES hurt, and it is *NOT* a mere "social construct" to react to being treated that way, whether it's rape or any other crime or situation where someone isn't being treated like a person.

It is plainly obvious that you do not know any rape victims, or quite frankly anything about how rapists work. Read up on how rapists work, then read this post for an idea of how rape culture works to further hurt someone they know who has been raped. It's happened to me, and I'm quite sick of people trying to find ways to blame me for someone else choosing to violate me.

This is all the effort I'm going to make with you. I doubt you'll actually read any of it, but I sure as hell can't say I didn't try.
 
2013-01-01 03:29:10 AM

Troublesome Strumpet: As for your BS about denigration being a "social construct". . . well, that's BS. Using big words does not make your statements true. As a human being, and one who has been raped, I can tell you that being treated not as a human, but as an object, is humiliating and it nearly destroyed me. Being made to feel less DOES hurt, and it is *NOT* a mere "social construct" to react to being treated that way, whether it's rape or any other crime or situation where someone isn't being treated like a person.


You're equivocating.

I was posting as an abstract about humanities trumped up self image. There is a difference between someone who degrades a person to make himself feel better, and someone who's simply detatched and unthinking and degredation is percieved as a result of their actions.

Fast food places are great at degrading people. You're just another cow to be fed in a long line of cows. Most customers aren't bothered by that, they're just there for food, not classy service.

I surely can't identify with being raped forcibly. I don't empathize with the mentality that you're an object, the humiliation, the devastation. The dude was psycho(as a generic term), something was wrong with him, not you, in that event.

I like your ending statement, "where someone isn't being treated like a person". What defines that? We do. That was my point with the abstract. It's not a logical provable law, as in chemistry or physics. It's a moral decision on part of the populace. There is no such thing as an ultimate "right" way to treat people, it changes with the times, and with circumstance as decreed by the populace at large.

That is the distinction that I am making. There are people who's proprieties get offended, the degradation is perceived.
And there are people who are victimized with the intent being degraded.

The distinction matters, even if the crime is the same. The point is education, development of psych profiles, whether or not rehabilitation is possible, and how punishment is meted out.

______

Troublesome Strumpet: You do not seem to understand. . . to a rapist, women are always the unlocked car.


If you're going to link to a site to prove science, you may want to find something more credible than a feminism blog.

Women are the unlocked car, because they don't educate themselves and prepare for a world that is less than ideal.

One of the first rules of self defense being aware of potential threats. Another is not looking like a target.

Now, these are concepts common amongst ALL forms of security, hell, they're helpful tips to get through basic training, and life in general.

Walk with a purpose, evaluate your surroundings. I'm not going to lecture you on the concepts here, it's fark.

Face facts, there are creeps out there of any given variety, that will do any number of things to you.

Don't worry about why they do it(leave that to law enforcement and psychologists[and fyi, having been raped once doesn't make you an expert on the criminal mind, any more than having a baby makes a woman a certified Doctor]), only worry about what you can do to avoid them.

Find a reputable self defense class, read up about the principles of security and self defense online, something.

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Troublesome Strumpet: It is plainly obvious that you do not know any rape victims, or quite frankly anything about how rapists work. Read up on how rapists work, then read this post for an idea of how rape culture works to further hurt someone they know who has been raped. It's happened to me, and I'm quite sick of people trying to find ways to blame me for someone else choosing to violate me.


NO ONE HERE IS BLAMING YOU, YOU @#$% %^*&


Well, no one is blaming you for being raped. For being a dipshiat on the internet, yes.

We're not telling you what you should have done, or worn, or behaved like. The whole intent is preventative measures for the future.

It's like watching the weather forecast before traveling on in snowy weather, and the hints they give you about keeping food and warm clothes in the car. It's just sound advice, a way to be prepared, to hopefully avoid the worst.

Sure, it won't help if a mack truck slides in behind and then over your little eco-car, but in the grand scheme of things it can and does save lives.

Your protestations here are irrational to the extreme. If you've stopped getting help for what happened to you, you might want to go back, or find a different therapist, because you are still farked up. If it wasn't the event, maybe it's in your past, hell, maybe you were born stupid, I don't know, all that's evident is that you have serious issues.
 
2013-01-01 04:25:33 AM

omeganuepsilon:

THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS PREVENTATIVE MEASURES YOU IDIOT!
That is my ENTIRE point, and you're refusing to see it. You're still talking as if stranger rape is the prevalent kind, and it is NOT. Self-defense classes do NOT take into account the relationship a victim may have with their rapist. Hell, even black belts in a martial art have been raped, because rape is among the basest violation of another human being that one can do, and it is very, very often SOMEONE THE VICTIM ALREADY KNOWS AND TRUSTS.

omeganuepsilon:
If you're going to link to a site to prove science


That link wasn't about science, it was about disproving the whole idea of "if I do X then Z won't happen to me". If you'd, I don't know, actually READ the blog, it explains pretty damn well why that's not only false but hurtful.

omeganuepsilon: I surely can't identify with being raped forcibly.


That right there is a HUGE hint that you DO NOT GET IT. My rape was by my then-boyfriend, and it was not "forcible" as you would understand it. In fact, as it was a 3 year abusive relationship, NONE of the rapes that occured in that time were "forcible". You don't need to use a lot of physical force during the act if you've previously demonstrated that you're willing to attempt to strangle your girlfriend to death for no discernible reason early on.

omeganuepsilon: Women are the unlocked car, because they don't educate themselves and prepare for a world that is less than ideal.


You assume because women are raped that we're all idiots who refuse to admit to reality and "protect ourselves". Just because you're not seeing every woman dual-wielding mace and jumping at every shadow doesn't mean we aren't doing our able best to stay safe given our own set of circumstances in life. But considering that, once again, VERY FEW RAPES ARE OF THE VIOLENT KNIFE-WIELDING PSYCHO VARIETY, there's only so much that can be done. We're bombarded from a young age with all the same bullshiat "advice", and for some of us, in the end it only serves as an excuse to blame us when it happens.

The ONLY way to 100% avoid being raped- is to not exist. The next best thing would be a life with no other human contact whatsoever, but why the hell should WE have to hide when all we want is to be safe, and barring that, for people to stop pointing fingers at us and to actually prosecute the rapist so we can at least have faith that the justice system actually works?

How about less "You stupid women wouldn't be getting yourselves raped if you did X, Y, or Z", and more "Let's make it clear that rape will NOT be tolerated and anyone who rapes another will be severely punished and not let off the hook"?

omeganuepsilon: you are still farked up.


No shiat Sherlock. I've already BEEN getting help, but it's difficult as all hell and I've still managed to block out some of what happened to me. I'm getting better, but it's a long, hard, and treacherous road to feeling anything close to. . . Normal? I guess. I don't need clueless assholes like you thinking you know better than I do what I need and what will help. You don't. Admit that much and you're well on your way to NOT being an asshole.
 
2013-01-01 05:11:19 AM
Let me just add one more thing, and hopefully this will finally sink in:

Women the world over are raped, and because of various cultures that do not treat them as equal human beings to men, it is at least tolerated and at worst condoned. THAT is what needs to change, and stubbornly keeping the focus on the victims and their actions or lack thereof is doing NOTHING to to change things. THAT is why I am arguing with you. Without that much needed change, there isn't a damn thing any woman can do to be absolutely sure that she won't be raped.
 
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