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(Daily Mail)   Oxford graduate quits mainstream society, builds hobbit-style mud hut in the hills, bans technology, fetches water from a stream, generates her own power, grows her own food, keeps goats, chickens and horses, is happy and at peace. TA-DA (w/pics)   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 84
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2012-12-29 04:48:58 AM  
7 votes:
2012-12-28 11:04:25 PM  
6 votes:
banned technology

And yet I see a house that was built, a harp, jars, baskets, furniture and clothing... this goddamn place is FULL of technology.


Furthermore...

2.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-29 06:06:13 AM  
5 votes:
I'm no Luddite, but I wouldn't be opposed to going back to a more modest existence. There are some things I don't think it's necessary to give up completely though. A wood stove, livestock, and a vegetable garden are great, but a very small amount of power can go a long way. Being able to refrigerate a small amount of food, for one thing. With a single 100w solar panel and a battery, you could power a mini-fridge, a few LEDs, a mobile router and a tablet. Now you have most of the sum of human knowledge in your hands, you can read books, watch films, listen to music (other than your own), stay informed about the world, communicate in an emergency, and make use of the hours after sunset.

The trick to this kind of existence is to make things as simple and stress-free for yourself as you can, while retaining only the technology that actually makes your life better.
2012-12-29 06:19:45 AM  
4 votes:

Alphax: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?


When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does. And this woman isn't completely rejecting communities, she just lives in a very small one, away from larger societies bullshiat. She's not a hermit. And if she were, what of it? Farkers are always shouting to the rooftops that people should be free to live how they choose, fark who or what they want, and neener neener the haters. Apparently the line gets drawn when someone doesn't want to be a part of the group, because how could they ever not want to be part of the group? Fark really is like high school, sometimes.
2012-12-29 05:05:45 AM  
4 votes:
Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.
2012-12-29 04:55:16 AM  
4 votes:
static.guim.co.uk

Not impressed.
2012-12-29 04:48:59 AM  
4 votes:
Not sure she deserves the Hero tag, but she's living on her own terms, is happy, and not harming anyone else. More power to her.
2012-12-29 04:37:11 AM  
4 votes:
Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.
2012-12-29 02:49:57 AM  
4 votes:

shanrick: Is it just me or is she kind of hot?


It's just you.
2012-12-28 11:43:26 PM  
4 votes:
You know who else rejected mainstream society, lived in the hills and banned technology?

upload.wikimedia.org
2012-12-28 09:38:28 PM  
4 votes:

kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?


Her carbon footprint is next to nothing. She is happy and at peace. I like goats, etc.
2012-12-28 09:32:57 PM  
4 votes:
Why does this make her a "Hero"?
2012-12-29 06:17:26 AM  
3 votes:

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


Jealousy.
2012-12-29 05:13:50 AM  
3 votes:

MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.


She was married, had three kids (who still visit her), and was a founding member of an eco-community. I think she's OK with her fellow humans.
2012-12-29 01:14:16 AM  
3 votes:
Huzzah, she's managed to do what a couple of billion other people have done every day of their lives.
What a hero.
2012-12-29 12:29:56 AM  
3 votes:
At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?
2012-12-29 11:47:30 AM  
2 votes:
In news that only happens all the time, rich people can indulge their eccentricities. There are hut dwellers all over the world who would KILL to own that much livestock.

computerguyUT: randomjsa:

She's burning wood which makes her carbon footprint MUCH larger than a normal suburban home.


No. Burning wood is carbon neutral, as long as you replant the trees you burn. Burning fossil fuel releases carbon dioxide that wouldn't naturally wind up there. It's naturally released from decomposing dead trees.
2012-12-29 10:25:15 AM  
2 votes:

MrT: while contributing nothing to that society herself


She offers people a retreat where they can get away from the stress of their life, and experience something more simple. They give her money in exchange. Sounds like some people see value in what she's doing.

MrT: and then taking this hypocritical high-moralizing position about it.


Right:

Mrs Orbach said: 'This is how I want to live. This lifestyle makes me feel really happy and at peace and this is my ideal home.'

She said: 'I don't miss anything at all about what is normally called reality. The quality of life, in my view, is decreasing and everything is speeding up and becoming more stressful.

'Once or twice I have joked about getting a takeaway pizza delivered here when I am tired after a long day. But I don't think anyone would deliver a pizza across two fields anyway.'


Yeah, look at this biatch eating crackers like she owns the place.

All this woman is trying to do is show others that it's possible to be happy without a 2-car garage, a corner office, and Facebook. She's not "shunning society". I don't understand why everybody feels the need to project their own issues onto her, and shiat all over the way she's chosen to live her life.
2012-12-29 09:58:37 AM  
2 votes:

hasty ambush: If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them


Less power to them.
2012-12-29 09:56:45 AM  
2 votes:

robohobo: Alphax: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?

When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does. And this woman isn't completely rejecting communities, she just lives in a very small one, away from larger societies bullshiat. She's not a hermit. And if she were, what of it? Farkers are always shouting to the rooftops that people should be free to live how they choose, fark who or what they want, and neener neener the haters. Apparently the line gets drawn when someone doesn't want to be a part of the group, because how could they ever not want to be part of the group? Fark really is like high school, sometimes.


Billy: What the hell is wrong with freedom? That's what it's all about.

George: Oh, yeah, that's right. That's what's it's all about, all right. But talkin' about it and bein' it, that's two different things. I mean, it's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. Of course, don't ever tell anybody that they're not free, 'cause then they're gonna get real busy killin' and maimin' to prove to you that they are. Oh, yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em.
2012-12-29 09:14:55 AM  
2 votes:

Gawdzila: Well, she certainly fits the stereotype.
I'm glad she's having a good time and all, but frankly that sounds like a terribly unfulfilling existence to me.
Yay, repetitive manual labor every day.


I like doing manual labor. It is one of the most simple and fulfilling things you can do--doing things with your own hands, where you can see exactly how much you've done, and what the results are. It's a hell of a lot more satisfying than sitting in front of a computer all day, or dealing with other people.

And how many of you wish you had time to work in a garden, or re-do that old car, or build something for yourself? But you don't have time, because of your totally fulfilling job where you earn a lot of money, but get little else from it. Also, enjoy being fat.
2012-12-29 08:24:07 AM  
2 votes:
I would totally love to do that but I can't go completely off the grid because I love the internet so much.
2012-12-29 06:53:57 AM  
2 votes:

Gunther: Sure, it's great that she's found her place in the world and she's happy and all... but am I the only one who wants to park nearby and blast some dubstep?

Or maybe Gungam Style on a loop all night?


Yes, you are the only one who wants to do that. Mainly because you're an asshole.
2012-12-29 06:53:22 AM  
2 votes:

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society?


If you notice any hate, let us know. I haven't seen any in this thread so far, but you should see a thread about people in Appalachia or other rural areas in the U.S. There you will definitely see some serious hate.

As for myself, I just think it's silly to consider her a "hero". As I said, I don't fault her for her lifestyle. More power to her. Live free and prosper. But she's not doing anything heroic. She's living and doing for herself and no one else. Not terribly heroic. I would feel the same about any hillbilly eating squirrels in West Va. I don't fault him, but neither do I think he is a hero.

Other's have made fun of her appearance. And while I don't get into that sort of trash talk, I can say with absolute confidence that fark does that about EVERYONE. Politicians, world leaders, supermodels, etc. I really don't think it's because she lives "outside society".
2012-12-29 06:20:58 AM  
2 votes:

jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.


BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. No doubt if really bad weather/natural disaster hits she will expect to be rescued an taken to a modern shelter with thing slike electricity and indoor plumbing-again financed with taxes she is not paying.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid.

No doubt her trips to town involve more than just getting chocolate and rice.
2012-12-29 05:50:47 AM  
2 votes:
'I don't miss anything at all about what is normally called reality.

"Especially not the money I bought this land with, what with real estate prices being so low in the UK and everything."
2012-12-29 05:45:24 AM  
2 votes:

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


Hint: hate comes from fear.
2012-12-29 05:24:39 AM  
2 votes:
Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.
2012-12-29 05:10:31 AM  
2 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.


Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.
2012-12-29 04:59:57 AM  
2 votes:
I forgot to add that it isn't a Hobbit style mud hut. Hobbits don't live in huts they live in holes in the ground. Not a dirty wet nasty hole (like I'm sure that hut is) filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell. Nor a dry bare sandy hole. A Hobbit hole means comfort!
2012-12-29 04:51:04 AM  
2 votes:
Yes, people can and did live this way.

Except for the part where she's over 50 and completely healthy that is.
2012-12-29 04:32:48 AM  
2 votes:
subby forgot smokin hot


also:

i.dailymail.co.uk
content7.flixster.com
2012-12-29 01:25:34 PM  
1 votes:
No rent.

No mortgage payments.

No electric bill.

No water bill.

No cable TV bill.

Very low taxes, if any.

Sounds like a plan to me.
2012-12-29 12:34:46 PM  
1 votes:
I suspect her hut isn't quite as romantically primitive as the article would like to pretend, given her last hut had solar panels

news.bbc.co.uk

...and double glazing

news.bbc.co.uk
2012-12-29 12:30:50 PM  
1 votes:
The article is deceptive. The Brithdir Mawr community has solar panels, computers and trash pick-ups. They use gas and run businesses.

The Fark comments are venomous. Why do so many care if others want to combine the best of old and new and live simply? I'd enjoy having them as neighbors.
2012-12-29 12:12:49 PM  
1 votes:
i178.photobucket.com
Fixed
2012-12-29 11:48:51 AM  
1 votes:

Fifi Le Pew: Yeah, I don't get it either. It's not like she's saying everyone needs to live this way or they're going to hell or something. It's just an alternate lifestyle that is not inflicting itself on anyone.


If you watch the video, she seems kind of sweet, actually. And she really does seem totally contented. That's what probably has all of these miserable farks spewing all over the place... I mean, they spent all of their money on Apple products, and she didn't. It's like the damn things don't work or something.
2012-12-29 11:35:55 AM  
1 votes:
Replace "hobbit" with "cave troll" and article is more accurate.
2012-12-29 11:28:32 AM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wow. Pure vitriol in this thread. Wasn't expecting that.


Yeah, I don't get it either.  It's not like she's saying everyone needs to live this way or they're going to hell or something.  It's just an alternate lifestyle that is not inflicting itself on anyone.
2012-12-29 11:13:04 AM  
1 votes:
You know I love that organic cooking
I always ask for more
And they call me Mr Natural
On down to the health food store
I only eat good sea salt
White sugar don't touch my lips
And my friends is always begging me
To take them on macrobiotic trips
Yes, they are

Oh, but at night I stake out my strong box
That I keep under lock and key
And I take it off to my closet
Where nobody else can see
I open that door so slowly
Take a peek up north and south
Then I pull out a Hostess Twinkie
And I pop it in my mouth

Yeah, in the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me

Well, at lunchtime you can always find me
At the Whole Earth Vitamin Bar
Just sucking on my plain white yogurt
From my hand thrown pottery jar
And sippin' a little hand pressed cider
With a carrot stick for dessert
And wiping my face in a natural way
On the sleeve of my peasant shirt
Oh, yeah

Ah, but when that clock strikes midnight
And I'm all by myself
I work that combination on my secret hideaway shelf
And I pull out some Fritos corn chips
Dr Pepper and an ole Moon Pie
Then I sit back in glorious expectation
Of a genuine junk food high

Oh yeah, in the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
Oh, but at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me

My friends down at the commune
They think I'm pretty neat
Oh, I don't know nothing about arts and crafts
But I give 'em all something to eat
I'm a friend to old Euell Gibbons
And I only eat home grown spice
I got a John Keats autographed Grecian urn
Filled up with my brown rice
Yes, I do

Oh, folks but lately I hae been spotted
With a Big Mac on my breath
Stumbling into a Colonel Sanders
With a face as white as death
I'm aftraid someday they'll find me
Just stretched out on my bed
With a handful of Pringles potato chips
And a Ding Dong by my head

In the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me


/epic song is epic
//was a fun one growing up
///if you haven't heard it, check it out!
2012-12-29 10:49:26 AM  
1 votes:
Wow. Pure vitriol in this thread. Wasn't expecting that.
2012-12-29 10:23:40 AM  
1 votes:

jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.


What's stopping you? Seriously.
MrT
2012-12-29 10:00:23 AM  
1 votes:

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws.


Because there are all sorts of safety nets that society provides that she is implicitly relying on, while contributing nothing to that society herself and then taking this hypocritical high-moralizing position about it.

Of course, she could yet show true independence from society:
* If she died of cancer while refusing modern medicine, that would be true independence.
* If she gets old and arthritic and cannot chop firewood and she simply freezes to death rather than draw a government pension, that would be independent.
* If somebody comes around, rapes her and burns down her hut, she could simply independently get on and rebuild, rather than going to the police and justice system.
* etc.
2012-12-29 09:13:35 AM  
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: banned technology

And yet I see a house that was built, a harp, jars, baskets, furniture and clothing... this goddamn place is FULL of technology.



That's what I see also. There are plenty of books on the shelves, jars, pots, and a cupboard with recessed panel doors. Pretty much the same as if she were a Pikey living in her trailer. "Running a healing and retreat center" sounds like the main point of all this. It's phoney theater to attract the paying gullible.
2012-12-29 08:23:11 AM  
1 votes:
Two things to be said, no, three.

1. She bans technology, but was more that happy to allow a photographer to come in and show off her awesomeness.
2. She owns that land? She doesn't need to pay taxes? Where does her money come from when it comes time to go to town and buy "treats"? How did she get all that fancy stuff (like the harp, at the least) without technology?
3. She is lucky as hell to be living in a place that doesn't routinely have any sort of harsh weather. Because that little hovel of hers would blow away quicker than a trailer park in Florida.
2012-12-29 08:19:01 AM  
1 votes:

robohobo: When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does.


Come now, you didn't take all that Fark open-mindedness stuff seriously did you? Have you even read any threads here? Farks only form of open-mindedness is the "I'll accept anyone and anything...as long as they agree with me and hate who I hate" that is typical of self-styled "enlightened" folk.
2012-12-29 08:16:10 AM  
1 votes:

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


Jealousy that they cannot do the same.
2012-12-29 07:49:11 AM  
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Fifi Le Pew: I lived off the grid for one summer. No electricity or anything that requires it to run. Just other human company for entertainment. You'll probably not believe me, but it was blissful. Setting aside all your responsibilities for a few months straightens your shiat out.

That said, it was a grand experiment from my youth (when you are allowed to have grand experiments and not be called crazy). Had enough money to see me through (for such essentials as food & shampoo), and the only thing I had to care for was my big ole dog. Couldn't do it now, though -- way too many responsibilities chains.

/Passed through clarity filter.


Oh, you're right.  And I'll be the first to admit it.  But I did take on all the chains willingly.
2012-12-29 07:40:02 AM  
1 votes:
I lived off the grid for one summer. No electricity or anything that requires it to run. Just other human company for entertainment. You'll probably not believe me, but it was blissful. Setting aside all your responsibilities for a few months straightens your shiat out.

That said, it was a grand experiment from my youth (when you are allowed to have grand experiments and not be called crazy). Had enough money to see me through (for such essentials as food & shampoo), and the only thing I had to care for was my big ole dog. Couldn't do it now, though -- way too many responsibilities.
2012-12-29 07:36:34 AM  
1 votes:

swahnhennessy: HindiDiscoMonster: HAHAHAHA..... i can just see that conversation.

You think businesses that refill propane tanks don't offer rural service?


did you not read the article?  there are NO roads to her... not rural roads... NO roads.
2012-12-29 07:35:50 AM  
1 votes:

erewhon: That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.


People lived for millions of years without any of that your just making excuses because you could never do it. (nor would want to) I feel the same way but mostly because Im lazy i've lived in the wild before its a lot of work
2012-12-29 07:33:04 AM  
1 votes:
Meanwhile we work to pay taxes for an army to protect her from the invading Moors and Irish.
2012-12-29 07:20:27 AM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.

BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. No doubt if really bad weather/natural disaster hits she will expect to be rescued an taken to a modern shelter with thing slike electricity and indoor plumbing-again financed with taxes she is not paying.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid.

No doubt her trips to town involve more than just getting chocolate and rice.


since you are psychic, can you please give me the winning lottery numbers for this week coming up (I don't need to tell you where)
2012-12-29 07:20:26 AM  
1 votes:

Honest Bender: Orange-Pippin: Honest Bender:
It says in the article she has people out for medical retreats. They pay her. She's not so much "off the grid" as she is "crazy old lady who lives in the woods."

She pays her property taxes and she's earning income (which she would have to report if living in the US). She may be crazy (no more so than Bachmann or Nicolas Cage) but she's probably harmless. Again...what difference does it make?

I didn't see any mention of property tax... You might want to go re-read the article. I don't think council tax = property tax. And it didn't make it clear who owns the property where these huts are located.


Council Tax is the system of local taxation used in England,[1] Scotland[2] and Wales[3] to part fund the services provided by local government in each country. (In Northern Ireland, the form of local taxation is rates.) It was introduced in 1993 by the Local Government Finance Act 1992, as a successor to the unpopular Community Charge. The basis for the tax is residential property, with discounts for single people

Sounds fair. Not quite property taxes but funds services. Again...what is your issue with this woman?
2012-12-29 07:13:32 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: There are no mountains in Wales.


Is this some kind of obscure reference, or do you not know what Wales is?
2012-12-29 07:13:05 AM  
1 votes:
Her husband:
25.media.tumblr.com
2012-12-29 07:11:05 AM  
1 votes:

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


cognative dissonance, hypocrisy, and logical fallacies abound, not to mention a huge strawman factory...

/welcome to fark
2012-12-29 07:07:47 AM  
1 votes:

MadAzza: Nogale: MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.

She was married, had three kids (who still visit her), and was a founding member of an eco-community. I think she's OK with her fellow humans.

Yeah, probably. Except that she left them.


reading isn't your strong point is it?
2012-12-29 07:00:37 AM  
1 votes:

Honest Bender:
It says in the article she has people out for medical retreats. They pay her. She's not so much "off the grid" as she is "crazy old lady who lives in the woods."


She pays her property taxes and she's earning income (which she would have to report if living in the US). She may be crazy (no more so than Bachmann or Nicolas Cage) but she's probably harmless. Again...what difference does it make?
2012-12-29 06:57:00 AM  
1 votes:
Well, she certainly fits the stereotype.
I'm glad she's having a good time and all, but frankly that sounds like a terribly unfulfilling existence to me.
Yay, repetitive manual labor every day.
2012-12-29 06:48:54 AM  
1 votes:

Orange-Pippin: You can refrigerate a ton of food using this bad boy.


Sure, if you're going to make regular trips to buy propane. I was kind of trying to avoid that scenario.

Orange-Pippin: If she goes to the city to pick up goods--with money she's earned--what difference does it make?


This is Fark, where 75% of the population are engineers (with all of the personality quirks that entails). If a method or philosophy isn't 100% self-consistent, it offends their sensibilities.
2012-12-29 06:34:24 AM  
1 votes:
I've thought about doing this. I have a wonderful book from the bookshop i work at, "The $50 & Up Underground House Book" by Mike Oehler. But i probably wont even start thinking about it until after my mother and dog pass on

amazon booky link
2012-12-29 06:33:46 AM  
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hasty ambush: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. .


What a bunch of malarkey. She's paying property taxes so she obviously has income from somewhere. The article also stated that she "left" society. She may have a ton of cash saved somewhere for emergencies and/or she may sell eggs or some veggies. Speaking as a farmer, I still pay a ton in federal, state, and local taxes. I also have to report my income to the IRS. Just because she lives simply does not mean shes living off the taxpayer.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid

The whole point of a free society is that people have the right to choose. If she goes to the city to pick up goods--with money she's earned--what difference does it make?
2012-12-29 06:29:40 AM  
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robohobo: Alphax: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?

When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does. And this woman isn't completely rejecting communities, she just lives in a very small one, away from larger societies bullshiat. She's not a hermit. And if she were, what of it? Farkers are always shouting to the rooftops that people should be free to live how they choose, fark who or what they want, and neener neener the haters. Apparently the line gets drawn when someone doesn't want to be a part of the group, because how could they ever not want to be part of the group? Fark really is like high school, sometimes.


I haven't seen anyone saying that she can't do what she's doing. But we are allowed to notice that she's unusual.
2012-12-29 06:19:30 AM  
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Z-clipped: I'm no Luddite, but I wouldn't be opposed to going back to a more modest existence. There are some things I don't think it's necessary to give up completely though. A wood stove, livestock, and a vegetable garden are great, but a very small amount of power can go a long way. Being able to refrigerate a small amount of food, for one thing. With a single 100w solar panel and a battery, you could power a mini-fridge....


You can refrigerate a ton of food using this bad boy.
/just saying (also Made in USA)
//again...separating yourself doesn't mean you have to go all out Hill-Folk and start playing on a banjo
2012-12-29 06:14:07 AM  
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Snapper Carr: I assume the people that are snarking her have either never read Walden or thought it was complete rubbish.


/I've considered doing the same thing except that being so far out from civilization/21st century medical technology would probably cut my life expectancy down to a few years.


You can still simplify your life and still have access to medical supplies. Start small. Find a small farm (not a hut), kill your TV, ban radio and stop watching movies. You will find, relatively quickly, how that will seperate you from the world on many levels. You don't have to live like a West Virginian mountaineer to embrace simplicity. That said, I know quite a few Anabaptists who are very insular but still have limited internet access, lights, cars, phones and many modern conveniences.
2012-12-29 06:11:39 AM  
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wtf? bans technology and generates her own power? I thought most anti-technology types were usually focused on electrical stuff... if electronics dont constitute technology to her, then what exactly does?
2012-12-29 06:05:40 AM  
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robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


People who are different are scary.
2012-12-29 06:04:15 AM  
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I assume the people that are snarking her have either never read Walden or thought it was complete rubbish.


/I've considered doing the same thing except that being so far out from civilization/21st century medical technology would probably cut my life expectancy down to a few years.
2012-12-29 05:57:44 AM  
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robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society?


People who keep claiming to the rest of society that they live outside of society, don't live outside of society.  I don't know anybody who actually lives outside of society because, well, that's what they're doing.
2012-12-29 05:53:38 AM  
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robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


same reason people equate their automobiles and conspicuous consumption as a right as well as a freedom they deserve :
self entitlement, greed and stupidity.

they are all for the big factory until their precious snowflakes get ass cancer from the water supply, then it's outrage.

you won't be surprised that a large majority of that hate comes from Gunmerica as well.

television has turned most people into complete idiots.
goldfish with jackhammers as i like to say.
2012-12-29 05:44:35 AM  
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ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.


"contribute to society" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

get me a coke outta the fridge will ya.
2012-12-29 05:29:14 AM  
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I'll bet she has a flat-screen TV hidden inside of that wart.
2012-12-29 05:19:03 AM  
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Nogale: MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.

She was married, had three kids (who still visit her), and was a founding member of an eco-community. I think she's OK with her fellow humans.


Yeah, probably. Except that she left them.
2012-12-29 04:58:22 AM  
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Sure, it's great that she's found her place in the world and she's happy and all... but am I the only one who wants to park nearby and blast some dubstep?

Or maybe Gungam Style on a loop all night?
2012-12-29 04:39:38 AM  
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Also, she's not "hot" or "English hot" or "British hot." She's old and ugly
2012-12-29 04:34:44 AM  
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If she'd have gone to Cambridge, she might have been offered employment
2012-12-29 04:33:34 AM  
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That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.
2012-12-29 04:32:47 AM  
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at a certain point a girl learns that long, flowing unshaved body hair keeps her warm in colder months.
2012-12-29 03:06:34 AM  
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There are no mountains in Wales.
2012-12-29 01:11:54 AM  
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They pay her a donation, which covers her £63-a-month council tax payments, repair costs and supplies of grain.

Why doesn't she grow the grain herself?
2012-12-29 12:05:39 AM  
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Relatively Obscure: banned technology

And yet I see a house that was built, a harp, jars, baskets, furniture and clothing... this goddamn place is FULL of technology.


I know. She's got fire and everything!
2012-12-29 12:00:25 AM  
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O, Y NO ban photography?

For the love of god, Y?
2012-12-28 09:25:07 PM  
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Emma looks like a hobbit.

/nttiawwt
 
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