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(Daily Mail)   Oxford graduate quits mainstream society, builds hobbit-style mud hut in the hills, bans technology, fetches water from a stream, generates her own power, grows her own food, keeps goats, chickens and horses, is happy and at peace. TA-DA (w/pics)   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 265
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2012-12-29 07:04:22 AM

NephilimNexus: [static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Not impressed.


nor is he
 
2012-12-29 07:05:22 AM

phartman: Hair like Gimley, face like Shadowfax.


I was thinking more that she'd be what a Mrs. Radagast The Brown would look like.
 
2012-12-29 07:06:01 AM

Z-clipped: Orange-Pippin: You can refrigerate a ton of food using this bad boy.

Sure, if you're going to make regular trips to buy propane. I was kind of trying to avoid that scenario.


If you get a large tank you can have a service come to your home refill it when necessary which isn't that often ;) There are quite a few of us in my neck of the woods who do that.
 
2012-12-29 07:06:59 AM
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2012-12-29 07:07:47 AM

MadAzza: Nogale: MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.

She was married, had three kids (who still visit her), and was a founding member of an eco-community. I think she's OK with her fellow humans.

Yeah, probably. Except that she left them.


reading isn't your strong point is it?
 
2012-12-29 07:08:59 AM
Oh, I was too late I guess. Better than a grainy VHS clip I would suppose.
 
2012-12-29 07:10:36 AM

skatedrifter: kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?

Her carbon footprint is next to nothing. She is happy and at peace. I like goats, etc.


I bet not. I'm sure those chunks of flesh on her chin are spewing something into the atmosphere.
 
2012-12-29 07:11:05 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


cognative dissonance, hypocrisy, and logical fallacies abound, not to mention a huge strawman factory...

/welcome to fark
 
2012-12-29 07:12:47 AM

erewhon: That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.


My dad did that one day. A pint of Kessler's, and pliers did the trick.
 
2012-12-29 07:13:05 AM
Her husband:
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2012-12-29 07:13:32 AM

HotWingAgenda: There are no mountains in Wales.


Is this some kind of obscure reference, or do you not know what Wales is?
 
2012-12-29 07:14:59 AM

Orange-Pippin: Honest Bender:
It says in the article she has people out for medical retreats. They pay her. She's not so much "off the grid" as she is "crazy old lady who lives in the woods."

She pays her property taxes and she's earning income (which she would have to report if living in the US). She may be crazy (no more so than Bachmann or Nicolas Cage) but she's probably harmless. Again...what difference does it make?


I didn't see any mention of property tax... You might want to go re-read the article. I don't think council tax = property tax. And it didn't make it clear who owns the property where these huts are located.
 
2012-12-29 07:15:17 AM
I dunno, she looks a little Hagrid to me.
 
2012-12-29 07:18:33 AM

robohobo: Alphax: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?

When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does. And this woman isn't completely rejecting communities, she just lives in a very small one, away from larger societies bullshiat. She's not a hermit. And if she were, what of it? Farkers are always shouting to the rooftops that people should be free to live how they choose, fark who or what they want, and neener neener the haters. Apparently the line gets drawn when someone doesn't want to be a part of the group, because how could they ever not want to be part of the group? Fark really is like high school, sometimes.


/FTFY
 
2012-12-29 07:20:14 AM
Wonder what her Fark handle is?

Wait, what?
 
2012-12-29 07:20:26 AM

Honest Bender: Orange-Pippin: Honest Bender:
It says in the article she has people out for medical retreats. They pay her. She's not so much "off the grid" as she is "crazy old lady who lives in the woods."

She pays her property taxes and she's earning income (which she would have to report if living in the US). She may be crazy (no more so than Bachmann or Nicolas Cage) but she's probably harmless. Again...what difference does it make?

I didn't see any mention of property tax... You might want to go re-read the article. I don't think council tax = property tax. And it didn't make it clear who owns the property where these huts are located.


Council Tax is the system of local taxation used in England,[1] Scotland[2] and Wales[3] to part fund the services provided by local government in each country. (In Northern Ireland, the form of local taxation is rates.) It was introduced in 1993 by the Local Government Finance Act 1992, as a successor to the unpopular Community Charge. The basis for the tax is residential property, with discounts for single people

Sounds fair. Not quite property taxes but funds services. Again...what is your issue with this woman?
 
2012-12-29 07:20:27 AM

hasty ambush: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.

BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. No doubt if really bad weather/natural disaster hits she will expect to be rescued an taken to a modern shelter with thing slike electricity and indoor plumbing-again financed with taxes she is not paying.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid.

No doubt her trips to town involve more than just getting chocolate and rice.


since you are psychic, can you please give me the winning lottery numbers for this week coming up (I don't need to tell you where)
 
2012-12-29 07:25:23 AM

xanadian: At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?


That statement bears repeating....
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2012-12-29 07:25:40 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society?

If you notice any hate, let us know. I haven't seen any in this thread so far, but you should see a thread about people in Appalachia or other rural areas in the U.S. There you will definitely see some serious hate.

As for myself, I just think it's silly to consider her a "hero". As I said, I don't fault her for her lifestyle. More power to her. Live free and prosper. But she's not doing anything heroic. She's living and doing for herself and no one else. Not terribly heroic. I would feel the same about any hillbilly eating squirrels in West Va. I don't fault him, but neither do I think he is a hero.

Other's have made fun of her appearance. And while I don't get into that sort of trash talk, I can say with absolute confidence that fark does that about EVERYONE. Politicians, world leaders, supermodels, etc. I really don't think it's because she lives "outside society".


Are you unfamiliar with the term "community" or did you fail to read &/or comprehend the article, or perhaps not notice the half dozen comments so far showing what you say is incorrect?

/she is no hero though, but this is fark after all
 
2012-12-29 07:31:11 AM

Orange-Pippin: Z-clipped: Orange-Pippin: You can refrigerate a ton of food using this bad boy.

Sure, if you're going to make regular trips to buy propane. I was kind of trying to avoid that scenario.


If you get a large tank you can have a service come to your home refill it when necessary which isn't that often ;) There are quite a few of us in my neck of the woods who do that.


HAHAHAHA..... i can just see that conversation.

me: "i would like to set up service"
service:  "may i have your address"
me:  "my address is 3km NW of road marker 38k past two fields"
service: "ummm... i think that is out of the service area sir"
me: "but but..."
 
2012-12-29 07:33:04 AM
Meanwhile we work to pay taxes for an army to protect her from the invading Moors and Irish.
 
2012-12-29 07:33:06 AM

Thunderboy: HotWingAgenda: There are no mountains in Wales.

Is this some kind of obscure reference, or do you not know what Wales is?


most are getting killed off.... esp the ones with humps
 
2012-12-29 07:34:41 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: HAHAHAHA..... i can just see that conversation.


You think businesses that refill propane tanks don't offer rural service?
 
2012-12-29 07:35:49 AM

THE GREAT NAME: Meanwhile we work to pay taxes for an army to protect her from the invading Moors and Irish.


Stay off the moors

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2012-12-29 07:35:50 AM

erewhon: That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.


People lived for millions of years without any of that your just making excuses because you could never do it. (nor would want to) I feel the same way but mostly because Im lazy i've lived in the wild before its a lot of work
 
2012-12-29 07:36:34 AM

swahnhennessy: HindiDiscoMonster: HAHAHAHA..... i can just see that conversation.

You think businesses that refill propane tanks don't offer rural service?


did you not read the article?  there are NO roads to her... not rural roads... NO roads.
 
2012-12-29 07:37:25 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: did you not read the article? there are NO roads to her... not rural roads... NO roads.


That makes things decidedly more difficult. Maybe she has a really long hose?
 
2012-12-29 07:38:30 AM

swahnhennessy: HindiDiscoMonster: did you not read the article? there are NO roads to her... not rural roads... NO roads.

That makes things decidedly more difficult. Maybe she has a really long hose?


or just wants one?

/ewww... i just threw up in my mouth
 
2012-12-29 07:39:03 AM

Orange-Pippin: If you get a large tank you can have a service come to your home refill it when necessary which isn't that often ;) There are quite a few of us in my neck of the woods who do that.


I was going more for low-cost, low-impact and sustainable. I think that adding the cost and hassle of using propane to power large appliances defeats the purpose. It defeats the KISS approach.

Besides, if you're not buying food in bulk at Costco, what do you really need a fridge that big for? The only thing you need to keep cold are fresh meat (if you butcher a whole animal) and excess dairy (if you milk more than you need or make butter). Eggs don't need refrigeration. Excess veggies and fruit from the garden can be sun-dried or canned on the stove. Yoghurt is easy to make, and reasonably shelf-stable. If you're hunting large game for food, having a freezer would be useful, but you can always dry cure.
 
2012-12-29 07:39:48 AM
So who is paying the taxes on the land? Government has to get its cut after all.
 
2012-12-29 07:40:02 AM
I lived off the grid for one summer. No electricity or anything that requires it to run. Just other human company for entertainment. You'll probably not believe me, but it was blissful. Setting aside all your responsibilities for a few months straightens your shiat out.

That said, it was a grand experiment from my youth (when you are allowed to have grand experiments and not be called crazy). Had enough money to see me through (for such essentials as food & shampoo), and the only thing I had to care for was my big ole dog. Couldn't do it now, though -- way too many responsibilities.
 
2012-12-29 07:42:54 AM

Fifi Le Pew: I lived off the grid for one summer. No electricity or anything that requires it to run. Just other human company for entertainment. You'll probably not believe me, but it was blissful. Setting aside all your responsibilities for a few months straightens your shiat out.

That said, it was a grand experiment from my youth (when you are allowed to have grand experiments and not be called crazy). Had enough money to see me through (for such essentials as food & shampoo), and the only thing I had to care for was my big ole dog. Couldn't do it now, though -- way too many responsibilities

chains.

/Passed through clarity filter.
 
2012-12-29 07:47:15 AM

WeenerGord: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x402]

She's no Dick Pronnecke

[www.dickproenneke.com image 600x369]


Came here to say that. Dick was great man.
 
2012-12-29 07:49:10 AM
She runs a 'healing and retreat centre' on the site and usually has about five people living in the other roundhouses.
They pay her a donation, which covers her £63-a-month council tax payments, repair costs and supplies of grain.


So, she hasn't quit mainstream society. In fact, she's part of one of the most modern aspects of our society - middle class people going off to indulge in the fantasy that the past was better.

/bet she also uses the local hospital when she gets sick
 
2012-12-29 07:49:11 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Fifi Le Pew: I lived off the grid for one summer. No electricity or anything that requires it to run. Just other human company for entertainment. You'll probably not believe me, but it was blissful. Setting aside all your responsibilities for a few months straightens your shiat out.

That said, it was a grand experiment from my youth (when you are allowed to have grand experiments and not be called crazy). Had enough money to see me through (for such essentials as food & shampoo), and the only thing I had to care for was my big ole dog. Couldn't do it now, though -- way too many responsibilities chains.

/Passed through clarity filter.


Oh, you're right.  And I'll be the first to admit it.  But I did take on all the chains willingly.
 
2012-12-29 07:50:24 AM

zippythechimp: WeenerGord: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x402]

She's no Dick Pronnecke

[www.dickproenneke.com image 600x369]

Came here to say that. Dick was great man.


the selfish bastard went and died at his brother's house instead of dying in the wilderness he loved... just think of all those disappointed animals and bugs that starved because he didn't supply them with a good hardy meal.
 
2012-12-29 07:54:59 AM

Krieghund: Obligatory Uncle Buck


TY
 
2012-12-29 08:05:59 AM

MadAzza: I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. T


A city with more than 10,000 people is just so intimate.
 
2012-12-29 08:10:16 AM
we should all do that. it' s totally practical and a society of elderly hermits would solve our global warming problem in no time.
 
2012-12-29 08:13:06 AM

ghare: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Jealousy.


Says one of the Hive's more active attack-bots
 
2012-12-29 08:13:13 AM
Does she float ? Get the scales & Duck ! Let SCIENCE be the judge !
 
2012-12-29 08:16:10 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


Jealousy that they cannot do the same.
 
2012-12-29 08:19:01 AM

robohobo: When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does.


Come now, you didn't take all that Fark open-mindedness stuff seriously did you? Have you even read any threads here? Farks only form of open-mindedness is the "I'll accept anyone and anything...as long as they agree with me and hate who I hate" that is typical of self-styled "enlightened" folk.
 
2012-12-29 08:20:47 AM

farkeruk: /bet she also uses the local hospital when she gets sick


I would hope so. Why do you see that as a problem?
 
2012-12-29 08:23:11 AM
Two things to be said, no, three.

1. She bans technology, but was more that happy to allow a photographer to come in and show off her awesomeness.
2. She owns that land? She doesn't need to pay taxes? Where does her money come from when it comes time to go to town and buy "treats"? How did she get all that fancy stuff (like the harp, at the least) without technology?
3. She is lucky as hell to be living in a place that doesn't routinely have any sort of harsh weather. Because that little hovel of hers would blow away quicker than a trailer park in Florida.
 
2012-12-29 08:24:07 AM
I would totally love to do that but I can't go completely off the grid because I love the internet so much.
 
2012-12-29 08:25:18 AM

taurusowner: Come now, you didn't take all that Fark open-mindedness stuff seriously did you? Have you even read any threads here? Farks only form of open-mindedness is the "I'll accept anyone and anything...as long as they agree with me and hate who I hate" that is typical of self-styled "enlightened" folk.


Yeah. Also, anyone who appreciates anything they don't is a "snob". This biatch, and her snobbish disdain for stress and technology... I'll bet she goes to a doctor when she's sick! What a hypocrite!
 
2012-12-29 08:28:45 AM
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Look, she can count to potato!

//I'll get you my pretties
 
2012-12-29 08:42:09 AM

durbnpoisn: 1. She bans technology, but was more that happy to allow a photographer to come in and show off her awesomeness.


People go there and rent huts from her to retreat from day to day life. I'm sure she doesn't let them bring their cellphones and laptops because it would disrupt the isolation, which is important to the process. Why would she care if someone takes pictures for a news story? Do you expect her to demand that a reporter sketch her house on tree bark with a sharp rock?

durbnpoisn: 2. She owns that land? She doesn't need to pay taxes? Where does her money come from when it comes time to go to town and buy "treats"?


Her income from rentals is probably not enough that she needs to pay taxes on it. She does pay the equivalent of property tax for the use of the land. For fark's sake man, she's not thumbing her nose as you, or trying to live like it's the stone age... she's just trying to get away from the things that make life complicated.

How did she get all that fancy stuff (like the harp, at the least) without technology?

What "technology" do you think is required to make a harp? The farking Mesopotamians made them.
 
2012-12-29 08:42:33 AM
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