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(Daily Mail)   Oxford graduate quits mainstream society, builds hobbit-style mud hut in the hills, bans technology, fetches water from a stream, generates her own power, grows her own food, keeps goats, chickens and horses, is happy and at peace. TA-DA (w/pics)   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 265
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2012-12-28 09:25:07 PM
Emma looks like a hobbit.

/nttiawwt
 
2012-12-28 09:31:17 PM
Burn her!
 
2012-12-28 09:32:57 PM
Why does this make her a "Hero"?
 
2012-12-28 09:38:28 PM

kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?


Her carbon footprint is next to nothing. She is happy and at peace. I like goats, etc.
 
2012-12-28 10:00:17 PM
 
2012-12-28 10:39:06 PM
- We did do the nose.
- And the hat. But she is a witch !
- Did you dress her up like this?
- No, no!
- Yes. A bit.
- She has got a wart.
 
2012-12-28 11:04:25 PM
banned technology

And yet I see a house that was built, a harp, jars, baskets, furniture and clothing... this goddamn place is FULL of technology.


Furthermore...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-28 11:39:57 PM
"She fetches water from a stream and keeps three goats, seven chickens and two horses"


Well, she's doing better than Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater.
 
2012-12-28 11:43:26 PM
You know who else rejected mainstream society, lived in the hills and banned technology?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-28 11:47:45 PM

grokca: Burn her!


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2012-12-29 12:00:25 AM
O, Y NO ban photography?

For the love of god, Y?
 
2012-12-29 12:05:34 AM
I smell patchouli oil.
 
2012-12-29 12:05:39 AM

Relatively Obscure: banned technology

And yet I see a house that was built, a harp, jars, baskets, furniture and clothing... this goddamn place is FULL of technology.


I know. She's got fire and everything!
 
2012-12-29 12:29:56 AM
At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?
 
2012-12-29 12:33:14 AM

Nothing To See Here: I smell patchouli oil.


No, because that's technology. Or something.

The woman is definitely British-pretty, though. So she's got that going for her. Which is nice. I guess.
 
2012-12-29 12:39:54 AM

xanadian: At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?


It's all well and good until you think you can communicate with the bears.
 
2012-12-29 12:51:14 AM

Amos Quito: O, Y NO ban photography?

For the love of god, Y?


Maybe the reporter had one of those iconographs with an imp inside.

Those are probably low-tech enough to get in.
 
2012-12-29 01:11:54 AM
They pay her a donation, which covers her £63-a-month council tax payments, repair costs and supplies of grain.

Why doesn't she grow the grain herself?
 
2012-12-29 01:14:16 AM
Huzzah, she's managed to do what a couple of billion other people have done every day of their lives.
What a hero.
 
2012-12-29 01:27:52 AM
Is it just me or is she kind of hot?
 
2012-12-29 02:21:58 AM
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-29 02:49:57 AM

shanrick: Is it just me or is she kind of hot?


It's just you.
 
2012-12-29 03:06:34 AM
There are no mountains in Wales.
 
2012-12-29 03:18:02 AM
I think this lady wandered out of The Blair Witch Project...
 
2012-12-29 04:31:42 AM
I hope the stream cures her when she gets cancer.
 
2012-12-29 04:32:47 AM
at a certain point a girl learns that long, flowing unshaved body hair keeps her warm in colder months.
 
2012-12-29 04:32:48 AM
subby forgot smokin hot


also:

i.dailymail.co.uk
content7.flixster.com
 
2012-12-29 04:33:34 AM
That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.
 
2012-12-29 04:34:44 AM
If she'd have gone to Cambridge, she might have been offered employment
 
2012-12-29 04:37:11 AM
Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.
 
2012-12-29 04:38:38 AM
Came here for A WITCH!!, see that's been covered.
 
2012-12-29 04:39:38 AM
Also, she's not "hot" or "English hot" or "British hot." She's old and ugly
 
2012-12-29 04:39:51 AM
Baba Yaga?
 
2012-12-29 04:40:29 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Methinks she hath been hitting the pipe weed way too hard for way too long. But that's just like my opinion man.
 
2012-12-29 04:40:49 AM
Generates her own positively non-technological electricity, you mean?
 
2012-12-29 04:41:13 AM

Krieghund: Obligatory Uncle Buck


came for this.

"I'm Buck Melanoma. Moley Russell's wart. Not her wart. Not her wart! I'm... I'm the wart. She's my tumor. My... my growth. My... uh, my pimple. I'm Uncle Wart. Just old Buck "Wart" Russell. That's what they call me, or Melanoma Head. They'll call me that. "Melanoma Head's coming."
 
2012-12-29 04:44:10 AM
Have hobbits heard of Radon?
 
2012-12-29 04:48:38 AM
I dated her once. When she said she'd let me do her in her mud hut, I was expecting something else.
 
2012-12-29 04:48:58 AM
 
2012-12-29 04:48:59 AM
Not sure she deserves the Hero tag, but she's living on her own terms, is happy, and not harming anyone else. More power to her.
 
2012-12-29 04:51:04 AM
Yes, people can and did live this way.

Except for the part where she's over 50 and completely healthy that is.
 
2012-12-29 04:54:12 AM
"Elves and dragons. Cabbages and potatoes are better for you and me! Don't go getting mixed up in the business of your betters or you'll land in trouble too big for you!" -Old Gaffer Gamgee

"I'm not rich. I'm free. Same thing." -Some Farker
 
2012-12-29 04:55:16 AM
static.guim.co.uk

Not impressed.
 
2012-12-29 04:56:11 AM

erewhon: That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.


She looks well in need for some modern medicine. Unfortunately, she has the NIH.
 
2012-12-29 04:58:14 AM

Krieghund: Obligatory Uncle Buck


Came here to post, "Someone give that woman a quarter."
 
2012-12-29 04:58:22 AM
Sure, it's great that she's found her place in the world and she's happy and all... but am I the only one who wants to park nearby and blast some dubstep?

Or maybe Gungam Style on a loop all night?
 
2012-12-29 04:59:52 AM
Who in the hell does she have sex with? If the answer is "no one," and I'm guessing it is, then what the hell does she look forward to every day? "Yippee, I get to eat and sh*t for one more day"?

That's so sad. I'm sure she's pretending to be happy, maybe even lying to herself about it, but ... no f*cking? She's not happy.
 
2012-12-29 04:59:57 AM
I forgot to add that it isn't a Hobbit style mud hut. Hobbits don't live in huts they live in holes in the ground. Not a dirty wet nasty hole (like I'm sure that hut is) filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell. Nor a dry bare sandy hole. A Hobbit hole means comfort!
 
2012-12-29 05:01:37 AM

Nothing To See Here: I smell patchouli oil.


You wish. I have a strong suspicion that there are much stronger odors afoot.
 
2012-12-29 05:02:43 AM

Alphax: Baba Yaga?


Interesting. Does her mud hut dance?

img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk
 
2012-12-29 05:03:02 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-29 05:05:45 AM
Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.
 
2012-12-29 05:10:31 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.


Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.
 
2012-12-29 05:13:50 AM

MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.


She was married, had three kids (who still visit her), and was a founding member of an eco-community. I think she's OK with her fellow humans.
 
2012-12-29 05:15:43 AM
Well, if I was a woman and looked like her I too would want to quit society.
 
2012-12-29 05:16:09 AM
Oh God, she's not Welch, is she?

/ Georgina
 
2012-12-29 05:19:03 AM

Nogale: MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.

She was married, had three kids (who still visit her), and was a founding member of an eco-community. I think she's OK with her fellow humans.


Yeah, probably. Except that she left them.
 
2012-12-29 05:22:57 AM

WeenerGord: She's no Dick Pronnecke


That guy is my idol. "Excuse me while I make my own farking hammer."
 
2012-12-29 05:24:11 AM

skatedrifter: kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?

Her carbon footprint is next to nothing. She is happy and at peace. I like goats, etc.


Oh, so she caused 0.000000000000000001 degree less warming
 
2012-12-29 05:24:39 AM
Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.
 
2012-12-29 05:25:27 AM
Great, more stuff for me.
 
2012-12-29 05:29:14 AM
I'll bet she has a flat-screen TV hidden inside of that wart.
 
2012-12-29 05:31:30 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society?


We fear strong-smelling conservationist women.
 
2012-12-29 05:32:09 AM
NIXON, YOU DOLT
 
2012-12-29 05:37:24 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Alphax: Baba Yaga?

Interesting. Does her mud hut dance?

[img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk image 316x407]





thehelplessdancer.files.wordpress.com


THE DANCIN' HUT OF BABA YAGA
CREOLE LADY MARMALAAAAAIIIHDE
 
2012-12-29 05:42:38 AM

NephilimNexus: [static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Not impressed.


"That be a sad barn indeed, English."
 
2012-12-29 05:44:35 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.


"contribute to society" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

get me a coke outta the fridge will ya.
 
2012-12-29 05:45:24 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


Hint: hate comes from fear.
 
2012-12-29 05:50:47 AM
'I don't miss anything at all about what is normally called reality.

"Especially not the money I bought this land with, what with real estate prices being so low in the UK and everything."
 
2012-12-29 05:52:22 AM

jso2897: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hint: hate comes from fear.


youre missing anger in there somewhere
 
2012-12-29 05:53:38 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


same reason people equate their automobiles and conspicuous consumption as a right as well as a freedom they deserve :
self entitlement, greed and stupidity.

they are all for the big factory until their precious snowflakes get ass cancer from the water supply, then it's outrage.

you won't be surprised that a large majority of that hate comes from Gunmerica as well.

television has turned most people into complete idiots.
goldfish with jackhammers as i like to say.
 
2012-12-29 05:57:44 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society?


People who keep claiming to the rest of society that they live outside of society, don't live outside of society.  I don't know anybody who actually lives outside of society because, well, that's what they're doing.
 
2012-12-29 06:04:15 AM
I assume the people that are snarking her have either never read Walden or thought it was complete rubbish.


/I've considered doing the same thing except that being so far out from civilization/21st century medical technology would probably cut my life expectancy down to a few years.
 
2012-12-29 06:05:40 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


People who are different are scary.
 
2012-12-29 06:05:44 AM

shanrick: Is it just me or is she kind of hot?


Totally just you.
 
2012-12-29 06:06:13 AM
I'm no Luddite, but I wouldn't be opposed to going back to a more modest existence. There are some things I don't think it's necessary to give up completely though. A wood stove, livestock, and a vegetable garden are great, but a very small amount of power can go a long way. Being able to refrigerate a small amount of food, for one thing. With a single 100w solar panel and a battery, you could power a mini-fridge, a few LEDs, a mobile router and a tablet. Now you have most of the sum of human knowledge in your hands, you can read books, watch films, listen to music (other than your own), stay informed about the world, communicate in an emergency, and make use of the hours after sunset.

The trick to this kind of existence is to make things as simple and stress-free for yourself as you can, while retaining only the technology that actually makes your life better.
 
2012-12-29 06:11:39 AM
wtf? bans technology and generates her own power? I thought most anti-technology types were usually focused on electrical stuff... if electronics dont constitute technology to her, then what exactly does?
 
2012-12-29 06:13:43 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?
 
2012-12-29 06:14:07 AM

Snapper Carr: I assume the people that are snarking her have either never read Walden or thought it was complete rubbish.


/I've considered doing the same thing except that being so far out from civilization/21st century medical technology would probably cut my life expectancy down to a few years.


You can still simplify your life and still have access to medical supplies. Start small. Find a small farm (not a hut), kill your TV, ban radio and stop watching movies. You will find, relatively quickly, how that will seperate you from the world on many levels. You don't have to live like a West Virginian mountaineer to embrace simplicity. That said, I know quite a few Anabaptists who are very insular but still have limited internet access, lights, cars, phones and many modern conveniences.
 
2012-12-29 06:17:26 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


Jealousy.
 
2012-12-29 06:19:30 AM

Z-clipped: I'm no Luddite, but I wouldn't be opposed to going back to a more modest existence. There are some things I don't think it's necessary to give up completely though. A wood stove, livestock, and a vegetable garden are great, but a very small amount of power can go a long way. Being able to refrigerate a small amount of food, for one thing. With a single 100w solar panel and a battery, you could power a mini-fridge....


You can refrigerate a ton of food using this bad boy.
/just saying (also Made in USA)
//again...separating yourself doesn't mean you have to go all out Hill-Folk and start playing on a banjo
 
2012-12-29 06:19:45 AM

Alphax: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?


When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does. And this woman isn't completely rejecting communities, she just lives in a very small one, away from larger societies bullshiat. She's not a hermit. And if she were, what of it? Farkers are always shouting to the rooftops that people should be free to live how they choose, fark who or what they want, and neener neener the haters. Apparently the line gets drawn when someone doesn't want to be a part of the group, because how could they ever not want to be part of the group? Fark really is like high school, sometimes.
 
2012-12-29 06:20:03 AM
If she gets real hungry she could eat that thing off her face.
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-12-29 06:20:58 AM

jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.


BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. No doubt if really bad weather/natural disaster hits she will expect to be rescued an taken to a modern shelter with thing slike electricity and indoor plumbing-again financed with taxes she is not paying.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid.

No doubt her trips to town involve more than just getting chocolate and rice.
 
2012-12-29 06:29:40 AM

robohobo: Alphax: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?

When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does. And this woman isn't completely rejecting communities, she just lives in a very small one, away from larger societies bullshiat. She's not a hermit. And if she were, what of it? Farkers are always shouting to the rooftops that people should be free to live how they choose, fark who or what they want, and neener neener the haters. Apparently the line gets drawn when someone doesn't want to be a part of the group, because how could they ever not want to be part of the group? Fark really is like high school, sometimes.


I haven't seen anyone saying that she can't do what she's doing. But we are allowed to notice that she's unusual.
 
2012-12-29 06:30:25 AM

Snapper Carr: I assume the people that are snarking her have either never read Walden or thought it was complete rubbish..


Henry's mommy would drop by with baked cookies.
 
2012-12-29 06:33:46 AM

hasty ambush: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. .


What a bunch of malarkey. She's paying property taxes so she obviously has income from somewhere. The article also stated that she "left" society. She may have a ton of cash saved somewhere for emergencies and/or she may sell eggs or some veggies. Speaking as a farmer, I still pay a ton in federal, state, and local taxes. I also have to report my income to the IRS. Just because she lives simply does not mean shes living off the taxpayer.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid

The whole point of a free society is that people have the right to choose. If she goes to the city to pick up goods--with money she's earned--what difference does it make?
 
2012-12-29 06:34:24 AM
I've thought about doing this. I have a wonderful book from the bookshop i work at, "The $50 & Up Underground House Book" by Mike Oehler. But i probably wont even start thinking about it until after my mother and dog pass on

amazon booky link
 
2012-12-29 06:40:19 AM

Shostie: xanadian: At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?

It's all well and good until you think you can communicate with the bears.


Give it time. She has to deal with the bugs, bears and other critters too.
 
2012-12-29 06:45:53 AM

xanadian: At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?


Are you talking about Alexander Supertramp?

Orange-Pippin: hasty ambush: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. .

What a bunch of malarkey. She's paying property taxes so she obviously has income from somewhere. The article also stated that she "left" society. She may have a ton of cash saved somewhere for emergencies and/or she may sell eggs or some veggies. Speaking as a farmer, I still pay a ton in federal, state, and local taxes. I also have to report my income to the IRS. Just because she lives simply does not mean shes living off the taxpayer.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid

The whole point of a free society is that people have the right to choose. If she goes to the city to pick up goods--with money she's earned--what difference does it make?


It says in the article she has people out for medical retreats. They pay her. She's not so much "off the grid" as she is "crazy old lady who lives in the woods."
 
2012-12-29 06:48:54 AM

Orange-Pippin: You can refrigerate a ton of food using this bad boy.


Sure, if you're going to make regular trips to buy propane. I was kind of trying to avoid that scenario.

Orange-Pippin: If she goes to the city to pick up goods--with money she's earned--what difference does it make?


This is Fark, where 75% of the population are engineers (with all of the personality quirks that entails). If a method or philosophy isn't 100% self-consistent, it offends their sensibilities.
 
2012-12-29 06:49:14 AM
With those goats around; she significantly increases her chances for a date.
 
2012-12-29 06:53:22 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society?


If you notice any hate, let us know. I haven't seen any in this thread so far, but you should see a thread about people in Appalachia or other rural areas in the U.S. There you will definitely see some serious hate.

As for myself, I just think it's silly to consider her a "hero". As I said, I don't fault her for her lifestyle. More power to her. Live free and prosper. But she's not doing anything heroic. She's living and doing for herself and no one else. Not terribly heroic. I would feel the same about any hillbilly eating squirrels in West Va. I don't fault him, but neither do I think he is a hero.

Other's have made fun of her appearance. And while I don't get into that sort of trash talk, I can say with absolute confidence that fark does that about EVERYONE. Politicians, world leaders, supermodels, etc. I really don't think it's because she lives "outside society".
 
2012-12-29 06:53:57 AM

Gunther: Sure, it's great that she's found her place in the world and she's happy and all... but am I the only one who wants to park nearby and blast some dubstep?

Or maybe Gungam Style on a loop all night?


Yes, you are the only one who wants to do that. Mainly because you're an asshole.
 
2012-12-29 06:55:34 AM
Hair like Gimley, face like Shadowfax.

/probably smells like an unwashed orc's bum
 
2012-12-29 06:57:00 AM
Well, she certainly fits the stereotype.
I'm glad she's having a good time and all, but frankly that sounds like a terribly unfulfilling existence to me.
Yay, repetitive manual labor every day.
 
2012-12-29 06:58:20 AM

Shostie: You know who else rejected mainstream society, lived in the hills and banned technology?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x164]


Hitler? Must be Hitler. I feel like that's who you're going for there.
 
2012-12-29 07:00:15 AM

Shostie: xanadian: At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?

It's all well and good until you think you can communicate with the bears.


you can.... they understand screaming quite well.
 
2012-12-29 07:00:37 AM

Honest Bender:
It says in the article she has people out for medical retreats. They pay her. She's not so much "off the grid" as she is "crazy old lady who lives in the woods."


She pays her property taxes and she's earning income (which she would have to report if living in the US). She may be crazy (no more so than Bachmann or Nicolas Cage) but she's probably harmless. Again...what difference does it make?
 
2012-12-29 07:03:04 AM
C'mon, subby. Hobbits do not live in mud-huts.
 
2012-12-29 07:04:22 AM

NephilimNexus: [static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Not impressed.


nor is he
 
2012-12-29 07:05:22 AM

phartman: Hair like Gimley, face like Shadowfax.


I was thinking more that she'd be what a Mrs. Radagast The Brown would look like.
 
2012-12-29 07:06:01 AM

Z-clipped: Orange-Pippin: You can refrigerate a ton of food using this bad boy.

Sure, if you're going to make regular trips to buy propane. I was kind of trying to avoid that scenario.


If you get a large tank you can have a service come to your home refill it when necessary which isn't that often ;) There are quite a few of us in my neck of the woods who do that.
 
2012-12-29 07:06:59 AM
www.screeninsults.com
http://www.screeninsults.com/images/uncle-buck-quarter.JPG
 
2012-12-29 07:07:47 AM

MadAzza: Nogale: MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.

She was married, had three kids (who still visit her), and was a founding member of an eco-community. I think she's OK with her fellow humans.

Yeah, probably. Except that she left them.


reading isn't your strong point is it?
 
2012-12-29 07:08:59 AM
Oh, I was too late I guess. Better than a grainy VHS clip I would suppose.
 
2012-12-29 07:10:36 AM

skatedrifter: kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?

Her carbon footprint is next to nothing. She is happy and at peace. I like goats, etc.


I bet not. I'm sure those chunks of flesh on her chin are spewing something into the atmosphere.
 
2012-12-29 07:11:05 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


cognative dissonance, hypocrisy, and logical fallacies abound, not to mention a huge strawman factory...

/welcome to fark
 
2012-12-29 07:12:47 AM

erewhon: That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.


My dad did that one day. A pint of Kessler's, and pliers did the trick.
 
2012-12-29 07:13:05 AM
Her husband:
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-29 07:13:32 AM

HotWingAgenda: There are no mountains in Wales.


Is this some kind of obscure reference, or do you not know what Wales is?
 
2012-12-29 07:14:59 AM

Orange-Pippin: Honest Bender:
It says in the article she has people out for medical retreats. They pay her. She's not so much "off the grid" as she is "crazy old lady who lives in the woods."

She pays her property taxes and she's earning income (which she would have to report if living in the US). She may be crazy (no more so than Bachmann or Nicolas Cage) but she's probably harmless. Again...what difference does it make?


I didn't see any mention of property tax... You might want to go re-read the article. I don't think council tax = property tax. And it didn't make it clear who owns the property where these huts are located.
 
2012-12-29 07:15:17 AM
I dunno, she looks a little Hagrid to me.
 
2012-12-29 07:18:33 AM

robohobo: Alphax: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?

When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does. And this woman isn't completely rejecting communities, she just lives in a very small one, away from larger societies bullshiat. She's not a hermit. And if she were, what of it? Farkers are always shouting to the rooftops that people should be free to live how they choose, fark who or what they want, and neener neener the haters. Apparently the line gets drawn when someone doesn't want to be a part of the group, because how could they ever not want to be part of the group? Fark really is like high school, sometimes.


/FTFY
 
2012-12-29 07:20:14 AM
Wonder what her Fark handle is?

Wait, what?
 
2012-12-29 07:20:26 AM

Honest Bender: Orange-Pippin: Honest Bender:
It says in the article she has people out for medical retreats. They pay her. She's not so much "off the grid" as she is "crazy old lady who lives in the woods."

She pays her property taxes and she's earning income (which she would have to report if living in the US). She may be crazy (no more so than Bachmann or Nicolas Cage) but she's probably harmless. Again...what difference does it make?

I didn't see any mention of property tax... You might want to go re-read the article. I don't think council tax = property tax. And it didn't make it clear who owns the property where these huts are located.


Council Tax is the system of local taxation used in England,[1] Scotland[2] and Wales[3] to part fund the services provided by local government in each country. (In Northern Ireland, the form of local taxation is rates.) It was introduced in 1993 by the Local Government Finance Act 1992, as a successor to the unpopular Community Charge. The basis for the tax is residential property, with discounts for single people

Sounds fair. Not quite property taxes but funds services. Again...what is your issue with this woman?
 
2012-12-29 07:20:27 AM

hasty ambush: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.

BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. No doubt if really bad weather/natural disaster hits she will expect to be rescued an taken to a modern shelter with thing slike electricity and indoor plumbing-again financed with taxes she is not paying.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid.

No doubt her trips to town involve more than just getting chocolate and rice.


since you are psychic, can you please give me the winning lottery numbers for this week coming up (I don't need to tell you where)
 
2012-12-29 07:25:23 AM

xanadian: At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?


That statement bears repeating....
smhttp.14409.nexcesscdn.net
 
2012-12-29 07:25:40 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society?

If you notice any hate, let us know. I haven't seen any in this thread so far, but you should see a thread about people in Appalachia or other rural areas in the U.S. There you will definitely see some serious hate.

As for myself, I just think it's silly to consider her a "hero". As I said, I don't fault her for her lifestyle. More power to her. Live free and prosper. But she's not doing anything heroic. She's living and doing for herself and no one else. Not terribly heroic. I would feel the same about any hillbilly eating squirrels in West Va. I don't fault him, but neither do I think he is a hero.

Other's have made fun of her appearance. And while I don't get into that sort of trash talk, I can say with absolute confidence that fark does that about EVERYONE. Politicians, world leaders, supermodels, etc. I really don't think it's because she lives "outside society".


Are you unfamiliar with the term "community" or did you fail to read &/or comprehend the article, or perhaps not notice the half dozen comments so far showing what you say is incorrect?

/she is no hero though, but this is fark after all
 
2012-12-29 07:31:11 AM

Orange-Pippin: Z-clipped: Orange-Pippin: You can refrigerate a ton of food using this bad boy.

Sure, if you're going to make regular trips to buy propane. I was kind of trying to avoid that scenario.


If you get a large tank you can have a service come to your home refill it when necessary which isn't that often ;) There are quite a few of us in my neck of the woods who do that.


HAHAHAHA..... i can just see that conversation.

me: "i would like to set up service"
service:  "may i have your address"
me:  "my address is 3km NW of road marker 38k past two fields"
service: "ummm... i think that is out of the service area sir"
me: "but but..."
 
2012-12-29 07:33:04 AM
Meanwhile we work to pay taxes for an army to protect her from the invading Moors and Irish.
 
2012-12-29 07:33:06 AM

Thunderboy: HotWingAgenda: There are no mountains in Wales.

Is this some kind of obscure reference, or do you not know what Wales is?


most are getting killed off.... esp the ones with humps
 
2012-12-29 07:34:41 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: HAHAHAHA..... i can just see that conversation.


You think businesses that refill propane tanks don't offer rural service?
 
2012-12-29 07:35:49 AM

THE GREAT NAME: Meanwhile we work to pay taxes for an army to protect her from the invading Moors and Irish.


Stay off the moors

s3.vidimg02.popscreen.com
 
2012-12-29 07:35:50 AM

erewhon: That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.


People lived for millions of years without any of that your just making excuses because you could never do it. (nor would want to) I feel the same way but mostly because Im lazy i've lived in the wild before its a lot of work
 
2012-12-29 07:36:34 AM

swahnhennessy: HindiDiscoMonster: HAHAHAHA..... i can just see that conversation.

You think businesses that refill propane tanks don't offer rural service?


did you not read the article?  there are NO roads to her... not rural roads... NO roads.
 
2012-12-29 07:37:25 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: did you not read the article? there are NO roads to her... not rural roads... NO roads.


That makes things decidedly more difficult. Maybe she has a really long hose?
 
2012-12-29 07:38:30 AM

swahnhennessy: HindiDiscoMonster: did you not read the article? there are NO roads to her... not rural roads... NO roads.

That makes things decidedly more difficult. Maybe she has a really long hose?


or just wants one?

/ewww... i just threw up in my mouth
 
2012-12-29 07:39:03 AM

Orange-Pippin: If you get a large tank you can have a service come to your home refill it when necessary which isn't that often ;) There are quite a few of us in my neck of the woods who do that.


I was going more for low-cost, low-impact and sustainable. I think that adding the cost and hassle of using propane to power large appliances defeats the purpose. It defeats the KISS approach.

Besides, if you're not buying food in bulk at Costco, what do you really need a fridge that big for? The only thing you need to keep cold are fresh meat (if you butcher a whole animal) and excess dairy (if you milk more than you need or make butter). Eggs don't need refrigeration. Excess veggies and fruit from the garden can be sun-dried or canned on the stove. Yoghurt is easy to make, and reasonably shelf-stable. If you're hunting large game for food, having a freezer would be useful, but you can always dry cure.
 
2012-12-29 07:39:48 AM
So who is paying the taxes on the land? Government has to get its cut after all.
 
2012-12-29 07:40:02 AM
I lived off the grid for one summer. No electricity or anything that requires it to run. Just other human company for entertainment. You'll probably not believe me, but it was blissful. Setting aside all your responsibilities for a few months straightens your shiat out.

That said, it was a grand experiment from my youth (when you are allowed to have grand experiments and not be called crazy). Had enough money to see me through (for such essentials as food & shampoo), and the only thing I had to care for was my big ole dog. Couldn't do it now, though -- way too many responsibilities.
 
2012-12-29 07:42:54 AM

Fifi Le Pew: I lived off the grid for one summer. No electricity or anything that requires it to run. Just other human company for entertainment. You'll probably not believe me, but it was blissful. Setting aside all your responsibilities for a few months straightens your shiat out.

That said, it was a grand experiment from my youth (when you are allowed to have grand experiments and not be called crazy). Had enough money to see me through (for such essentials as food & shampoo), and the only thing I had to care for was my big ole dog. Couldn't do it now, though -- way too many responsibilities

chains.

/Passed through clarity filter.
 
2012-12-29 07:47:15 AM

WeenerGord: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x402]

She's no Dick Pronnecke

[www.dickproenneke.com image 600x369]


Came here to say that. Dick was great man.
 
2012-12-29 07:49:10 AM
She runs a 'healing and retreat centre' on the site and usually has about five people living in the other roundhouses.
They pay her a donation, which covers her £63-a-month council tax payments, repair costs and supplies of grain.


So, she hasn't quit mainstream society. In fact, she's part of one of the most modern aspects of our society - middle class people going off to indulge in the fantasy that the past was better.

/bet she also uses the local hospital when she gets sick
 
2012-12-29 07:49:11 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Fifi Le Pew: I lived off the grid for one summer. No electricity or anything that requires it to run. Just other human company for entertainment. You'll probably not believe me, but it was blissful. Setting aside all your responsibilities for a few months straightens your shiat out.

That said, it was a grand experiment from my youth (when you are allowed to have grand experiments and not be called crazy). Had enough money to see me through (for such essentials as food & shampoo), and the only thing I had to care for was my big ole dog. Couldn't do it now, though -- way too many responsibilities chains.

/Passed through clarity filter.


Oh, you're right.  And I'll be the first to admit it.  But I did take on all the chains willingly.
 
2012-12-29 07:50:24 AM

zippythechimp: WeenerGord: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x402]

She's no Dick Pronnecke

[www.dickproenneke.com image 600x369]

Came here to say that. Dick was great man.


the selfish bastard went and died at his brother's house instead of dying in the wilderness he loved... just think of all those disappointed animals and bugs that starved because he didn't supply them with a good hardy meal.
 
2012-12-29 07:54:59 AM

Krieghund: Obligatory Uncle Buck


TY
 
2012-12-29 08:05:59 AM

MadAzza: I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. T


A city with more than 10,000 people is just so intimate.
 
2012-12-29 08:10:16 AM
we should all do that. it' s totally practical and a society of elderly hermits would solve our global warming problem in no time.
 
2012-12-29 08:13:06 AM

ghare: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Jealousy.


Says one of the Hive's more active attack-bots
 
2012-12-29 08:13:13 AM
Does she float ? Get the scales & Duck ! Let SCIENCE be the judge !
 
2012-12-29 08:16:10 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.


Jealousy that they cannot do the same.
 
2012-12-29 08:19:01 AM

robohobo: When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does.


Come now, you didn't take all that Fark open-mindedness stuff seriously did you? Have you even read any threads here? Farks only form of open-mindedness is the "I'll accept anyone and anything...as long as they agree with me and hate who I hate" that is typical of self-styled "enlightened" folk.
 
2012-12-29 08:20:47 AM

farkeruk: /bet she also uses the local hospital when she gets sick


I would hope so. Why do you see that as a problem?
 
2012-12-29 08:23:11 AM
Two things to be said, no, three.

1. She bans technology, but was more that happy to allow a photographer to come in and show off her awesomeness.
2. She owns that land? She doesn't need to pay taxes? Where does her money come from when it comes time to go to town and buy "treats"? How did she get all that fancy stuff (like the harp, at the least) without technology?
3. She is lucky as hell to be living in a place that doesn't routinely have any sort of harsh weather. Because that little hovel of hers would blow away quicker than a trailer park in Florida.
 
2012-12-29 08:24:07 AM
I would totally love to do that but I can't go completely off the grid because I love the internet so much.
 
2012-12-29 08:25:18 AM

taurusowner: Come now, you didn't take all that Fark open-mindedness stuff seriously did you? Have you even read any threads here? Farks only form of open-mindedness is the "I'll accept anyone and anything...as long as they agree with me and hate who I hate" that is typical of self-styled "enlightened" folk.


Yeah. Also, anyone who appreciates anything they don't is a "snob". This biatch, and her snobbish disdain for stress and technology... I'll bet she goes to a doctor when she's sick! What a hypocrite!
 
2012-12-29 08:28:45 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Look, she can count to potato!

//I'll get you my pretties
 
2012-12-29 08:42:09 AM

durbnpoisn: 1. She bans technology, but was more that happy to allow a photographer to come in and show off her awesomeness.


People go there and rent huts from her to retreat from day to day life. I'm sure she doesn't let them bring their cellphones and laptops because it would disrupt the isolation, which is important to the process. Why would she care if someone takes pictures for a news story? Do you expect her to demand that a reporter sketch her house on tree bark with a sharp rock?

durbnpoisn: 2. She owns that land? She doesn't need to pay taxes? Where does her money come from when it comes time to go to town and buy "treats"?


Her income from rentals is probably not enough that she needs to pay taxes on it. She does pay the equivalent of property tax for the use of the land. For fark's sake man, she's not thumbing her nose as you, or trying to live like it's the stone age... she's just trying to get away from the things that make life complicated.

How did she get all that fancy stuff (like the harp, at the least) without technology?

What "technology" do you think is required to make a harp? The farking Mesopotamians made them.
 
2012-12-29 08:42:33 AM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-29 08:47:14 AM
She lives mostly on the fungus harvested from her downstairs ladygarden..
 
2012-12-29 08:52:14 AM

muck4doo: They pay her a donation, which covers her £63-a-month council tax payments, repair costs and supplies of grain.

Why doesn't she grow the grain herself?


That takes real work.
 
2012-12-29 08:57:24 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
first thing I thought of
 
2012-12-29 09:00:21 AM
t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-29 09:00:29 AM
I lived in the woods for a year and most of that time everyone badgered me about not having a job and my future .. than I got married and everyone broke my chops about having a family. I think most people are insecure about the lifestyle they feel trapped in.
 
2012-12-29 09:13:23 AM
Forged metal jewelry, ceramic pots and pitchers, metal pans.

Bans technology...get real. She's still leaving a carbon footprint.

I'm glad she's happy. Good for her. But hero? Let's all make mud huts and revert to the 2 A.D.

I don't think so.
 
2012-12-29 09:13:35 AM

Relatively Obscure: banned technology

And yet I see a house that was built, a harp, jars, baskets, furniture and clothing... this goddamn place is FULL of technology.



That's what I see also. There are plenty of books on the shelves, jars, pots, and a cupboard with recessed panel doors. Pretty much the same as if she were a Pikey living in her trailer. "Running a healing and retreat center" sounds like the main point of all this. It's phoney theater to attract the paying gullible.
 
2012-12-29 09:14:55 AM

Gawdzila: Well, she certainly fits the stereotype.
I'm glad she's having a good time and all, but frankly that sounds like a terribly unfulfilling existence to me.
Yay, repetitive manual labor every day.


I like doing manual labor. It is one of the most simple and fulfilling things you can do--doing things with your own hands, where you can see exactly how much you've done, and what the results are. It's a hell of a lot more satisfying than sitting in front of a computer all day, or dealing with other people.

And how many of you wish you had time to work in a garden, or re-do that old car, or build something for yourself? But you don't have time, because of your totally fulfilling job where you earn a lot of money, but get little else from it. Also, enjoy being fat.
 
2012-12-29 09:16:55 AM
This works great if you have 45 years to accumulate the capital to do it. Deciding to go off the grid and live like a hobbit at age 18? Doesn't work so well.
 
2012-12-29 09:20:03 AM

Molavian: That takes real work.


It's also not really efficient for a single person.

cakeman: I lived in the woods for a year and most of that time everyone badgered me about not having a job and my future .. than I got married and everyone broke my chops about having a family. I think most people are insecure about the lifestyle they feel trapped in.


I've always had a pretty good handle on not letting things own me or getting trapped in a lifestyle, but my wife and I are going to start trying for a kid when I get back to the States, and it's worrying me a bit that I'm going to have to give up, well... all of my other priorities.
 
2012-12-29 09:25:57 AM
I had one child and no regrets I am 63 .
 
2012-12-29 09:28:07 AM

cryinoutloud: It is one of the most simple and fulfilling things you can do


Ugh. Glad you enjoy it, but I consider it demeaning and an insult to human nature. Manual labor is for machines to do. Now, if you'll pardon me, I have to go shovel the sidewalk.
 
2012-12-29 09:36:40 AM

Relatively Obscure: banned technology

And yet I see a house that was built, a harp, jars, baskets, furniture and clothing... this goddamn place is FULL of technology.

Furthermore...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 369x314]


I saw her close-up and thought exactly the same damn thing....
 
2012-12-29 09:38:37 AM
Bet she's a mess downtown.
 
2012-12-29 09:41:18 AM
Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen Hansel and Gretel lately? 'Cause DAY-UM!!
 
2012-12-29 09:43:35 AM
s9.postimage.org
 
2012-12-29 09:49:40 AM
If the hermit thing doesn't work out, she could make a living as a Robert Plant impersonator.
 
2012-12-29 09:49:41 AM
WeenerGord:
She's no Dick Pronnecke

[www.dickproenneke.com image 600x369]


I had not seen that before.  Thanks.
 
2012-12-29 09:53:55 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/199778.stm
 
2012-12-29 09:56:45 AM

robohobo: Alphax: robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws. Same with folk who don't want to live in a city teeming with people.

Hmm, people in an online community and people who reject communities completely don't see eye to eye? This surprises you?

When its an online community who loudy prides itself on its open minded-ness, yeah, it does. And this woman isn't completely rejecting communities, she just lives in a very small one, away from larger societies bullshiat. She's not a hermit. And if she were, what of it? Farkers are always shouting to the rooftops that people should be free to live how they choose, fark who or what they want, and neener neener the haters. Apparently the line gets drawn when someone doesn't want to be a part of the group, because how could they ever not want to be part of the group? Fark really is like high school, sometimes.


Billy: What the hell is wrong with freedom? That's what it's all about.

George: Oh, yeah, that's right. That's what's it's all about, all right. But talkin' about it and bein' it, that's two different things. I mean, it's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. Of course, don't ever tell anybody that they're not free, 'cause then they're gonna get real busy killin' and maimin' to prove to you that they are. Oh, yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em.
 
2012-12-29 09:58:23 AM

Oblio13: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/199778.stm


Oblio13: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/199778.stm


news.bbc.co.uk

i.dailymail.co.uk

So it is a wart after all, else she hasn't washed in 14 years.
 
2012-12-29 09:58:37 AM

hasty ambush: If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them


Less power to them.
 
MrT
2012-12-29 10:00:23 AM

robohobo: Why is it that Fark has such hate for people who live outside of society? I've noticed this in other threads, and I'm genuinely curious. Fark is generally all supportive of alternative lifestyles, but the second someone chooses to head out on their own, remove themselves from society and be self-sufficient, out come the claws.


Because there are all sorts of safety nets that society provides that she is implicitly relying on, while contributing nothing to that society herself and then taking this hypocritical high-moralizing position about it.

Of course, she could yet show true independence from society:
* If she died of cancer while refusing modern medicine, that would be true independence.
* If she gets old and arthritic and cannot chop firewood and she simply freezes to death rather than draw a government pension, that would be independent.
* If somebody comes around, rapes her and burns down her hut, she could simply independently get on and rebuild, rather than going to the police and justice system.
* etc.
 
2012-12-29 10:16:34 AM

illannoyin: I forgot to add that it isn't a Hobbit style mud hut. Hobbits don't live in huts they live in holes in the ground. Not a dirty wet nasty hole (like I'm sure that hut is) filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell. Nor a dry bare sandy hole. A Hobbit hole means comfort!


Thank you!
 
2012-12-29 10:19:46 AM
Generates her own power? That wouldn't be by using components made by society, would it? Answer: fail
 
2012-12-29 10:21:29 AM
living in the woods is kind of a tradition in our house

Hey, it was a tradition in everyone's family, 'til we came up with a house.
 
2012-12-29 10:23:40 AM

jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.


What's stopping you? Seriously.
 
2012-12-29 10:25:15 AM

MrT: while contributing nothing to that society herself


She offers people a retreat where they can get away from the stress of their life, and experience something more simple. They give her money in exchange. Sounds like some people see value in what she's doing.

MrT: and then taking this hypocritical high-moralizing position about it.


Right:

Mrs Orbach said: 'This is how I want to live. This lifestyle makes me feel really happy and at peace and this is my ideal home.'

She said: 'I don't miss anything at all about what is normally called reality. The quality of life, in my view, is decreasing and everything is speeding up and becoming more stressful.

'Once or twice I have joked about getting a takeaway pizza delivered here when I am tired after a long day. But I don't think anyone would deliver a pizza across two fields anyway.'


Yeah, look at this biatch eating crackers like she owns the place.

All this woman is trying to do is show others that it's possible to be happy without a 2-car garage, a corner office, and Facebook. She's not "shunning society". I don't understand why everybody feels the need to project their own issues onto her, and shiat all over the way she's chosen to live her life.
 
2012-12-29 10:28:50 AM
I did not see a shower in any of the pictures.
I don't ask for much in life but the one luxury of our times that I do more than enjoy is taking a hot shower every day.
 
2012-12-29 10:31:30 AM
Isn't that the area with all the reports of missing children?
 
2012-12-29 10:37:01 AM

MadAzza: Who in the hell does she have sex with? If the answer is "no one," and I'm guessing it is, then what the hell does she look forward to every day? "Yippee, I get to eat and sh*t for one more day"?

That's so sad. I'm sure she's pretending to be happy, maybe even lying to herself about it, but ... no f*cking? She's not happy.


You missed the part in the article about her "keeping" three goats...
 
2012-12-29 10:39:04 AM

Professczar: MadAzza: Who in the hell does she have sex with? If the answer is "no one," and I'm guessing it is, then what the hell does she look forward to every day? "Yippee, I get to eat and sh*t for one more day"?

That's so sad. I'm sure she's pretending to be happy, maybe even lying to herself about it, but ... no f*cking? She's not happy.

You missed the part in the article about her "keeping" three goats...


Every so often, a "wizard" and thirteen "dwarves" drop by to visit.
 
2012-12-29 10:49:26 AM
Wow. Pure vitriol in this thread. Wasn't expecting that.
 
2012-12-29 10:51:56 AM

xanadian: At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?


Hardly. Besides, if he had taken fire and her other survival skills he'd just be another Alaska hippie, instead of an object lesson.
 
2012-12-29 10:57:05 AM

Porous Horace: I did not see a shower in any of the pictures.
I don't ask for much in life but the one luxury of our times that I do more than enjoy is taking a hot shower every day.


There are showers in the next buildings not the "round house." The bathrooms are shared. In Google Maps enter Brithdir Mawr, Newport, United Kingdom and you can see the place. Apparently they produce a fair amount of rubbish which is neatly bagged in black plastic and set on the curb in front.
 
2012-12-29 11:07:59 AM

WelldeadLink: hasty ambush: If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them

Less power to them.


*snicker*
 
2012-12-29 11:13:04 AM
You know I love that organic cooking
I always ask for more
And they call me Mr Natural
On down to the health food store
I only eat good sea salt
White sugar don't touch my lips
And my friends is always begging me
To take them on macrobiotic trips
Yes, they are

Oh, but at night I stake out my strong box
That I keep under lock and key
And I take it off to my closet
Where nobody else can see
I open that door so slowly
Take a peek up north and south
Then I pull out a Hostess Twinkie
And I pop it in my mouth

Yeah, in the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me

Well, at lunchtime you can always find me
At the Whole Earth Vitamin Bar
Just sucking on my plain white yogurt
From my hand thrown pottery jar
And sippin' a little hand pressed cider
With a carrot stick for dessert
And wiping my face in a natural way
On the sleeve of my peasant shirt
Oh, yeah

Ah, but when that clock strikes midnight
And I'm all by myself
I work that combination on my secret hideaway shelf
And I pull out some Fritos corn chips
Dr Pepper and an ole Moon Pie
Then I sit back in glorious expectation
Of a genuine junk food high

Oh yeah, in the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
Oh, but at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me

My friends down at the commune
They think I'm pretty neat
Oh, I don't know nothing about arts and crafts
But I give 'em all something to eat
I'm a friend to old Euell Gibbons
And I only eat home grown spice
I got a John Keats autographed Grecian urn
Filled up with my brown rice
Yes, I do

Oh, folks but lately I hae been spotted
With a Big Mac on my breath
Stumbling into a Colonel Sanders
With a face as white as death
I'm aftraid someday they'll find me
Just stretched out on my bed
With a handful of Pringles potato chips
And a Ding Dong by my head

In the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me


/epic song is epic
//was a fun one growing up
///if you haven't heard it, check it out!
 
2012-12-29 11:17:45 AM

erewhon: That's all well and good until you need a filling or some antibiotics for the odd infection.

I guess you could just pull out that tooth with some pliers, unless that's too tech-y.


Don't worry. The NHS will pay for that for her and she can get money to cover assorts of other things, be able to be looked after in retirement etc.
 
2012-12-29 11:18:18 AM

jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.


If you looked like her, you'd have to live like that.
 
2012-12-29 11:22:20 AM
What happens when you cross a crazy cat lady with an Oxford education?
 
2012-12-29 11:28:32 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wow. Pure vitriol in this thread. Wasn't expecting that.


Yeah, I don't get it either.  It's not like she's saying everyone needs to live this way or they're going to hell or something.  It's just an alternate lifestyle that is not inflicting itself on anyone.
 
2012-12-29 11:31:55 AM

randomjsa: Yes, people can and did live this way.

Except for the part where she's over 50 and completely healthy that is.


That would have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that she lived the first 9/10 of her life in an upscale home, had vaccinations and good food and all that.. Yeah, cause she's lived in a hut for a year she's some kind of hero.
If everyone tried to do this, they cities would jail them all for vagrancy.

She's burning wood which makes her carbon footprint MUCH larger than a normal suburban home.

The Article is interesting but complete bullshiat.
 
2012-12-29 11:31:57 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wow. Pure vitriol in this thread. Wasn't expecting that.


Account created: 2006-03-29 17:10:17

Uh... really? You've been here 6 or 7 years and this surprised you?

/no, no it didn't, and you know it
 
2012-12-29 11:34:49 AM
Imagine the stench.
 
2012-12-29 11:35:55 AM
Replace "hobbit" with "cave troll" and article is more accurate.
 
2012-12-29 11:37:46 AM
So when do the mail-bombings start?
 
2012-12-29 11:37:50 AM

lizardbrain: Imagine the stench.


Every month she boils her underwear for a nice, tasty soup.
 
2012-12-29 11:38:04 AM
"No stress: Emma relaxes in front of the fire in her hut before she heads to bed when it darkens outside at around 7.30 pm "

Yeah, except it looks like it turned her hair gray. Brown on the bottom, gray in on the top.
 
2012-12-29 11:43:27 AM

skatedrifter: kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?

Her carbon footprint is next to nothing. She is happy and at peace. I like goats, etc.


except for all the wood she burns for that fire and the food(grain apparently) that she buys.
 
2012-12-29 11:44:44 AM

WhippingBoy: lizardbrain: Imagine the stench.

Every month she boils her underwear for a nice, tasty soup.


...Mom?
 
2012-12-29 11:47:30 AM
In news that only happens all the time, rich people can indulge their eccentricities. There are hut dwellers all over the world who would KILL to own that much livestock.

computerguyUT: randomjsa:

She's burning wood which makes her carbon footprint MUCH larger than a normal suburban home.


No. Burning wood is carbon neutral, as long as you replant the trees you burn. Burning fossil fuel releases carbon dioxide that wouldn't naturally wind up there. It's naturally released from decomposing dead trees.
 
2012-12-29 11:48:51 AM

Fifi Le Pew: Yeah, I don't get it either. It's not like she's saying everyone needs to live this way or they're going to hell or something. It's just an alternate lifestyle that is not inflicting itself on anyone.


If you watch the video, she seems kind of sweet, actually. And she really does seem totally contented. That's what probably has all of these miserable farks spewing all over the place... I mean, they spent all of their money on Apple products, and she didn't. It's like the damn things don't work or something.
 
2012-12-29 11:51:52 AM

computerguyUT: She's burning wood which makes her carbon footprint MUCH larger than a normal suburban home.


Umm... no. Wood decomposes whether you burn it or not.
 
2012-12-29 11:52:03 AM

HotWingAgenda: There are no mountains in Wales.


Thomas Twp and Thomas Twp too disagree with you.
 
2012-12-29 11:52:59 AM
i would go crazy and live in the woods too if i spent my whole life in the education system
 
2012-12-29 11:55:56 AM

AdamK: i would go crazy and live in the woods too if i spent my whole life in the education system


Heh. Exactly.
 
2012-12-29 11:58:08 AM

mbillips: In news that only happens all the time, rich people can indulge their eccentricities. There are hut dwellers all over the world who would KILL to own that much livestock.

computerguyUT: randomjsa:

She's burning wood which makes her carbon footprint MUCH larger than a normal suburban home.


No. Burning wood is carbon neutral, as long as you replant the trees you burn. Burning fossil fuel releases carbon dioxide that wouldn't naturally wind up there. It's naturally released from decomposing dead trees.


Wow.
 
2012-12-29 12:01:25 PM

lizardbrain: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.

If you looked like her, you'd have to live like that.


Haven't been to WalMart or the pet food aisle of the grocery store lately I see.
 
2012-12-29 12:01:25 PM
Came here for the Unabomber...leaving happy
 
2012-12-29 12:04:49 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

www.erha.org

www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-12-29 12:05:14 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-29 12:12:49 PM
i178.photobucket.com
Fixed
 
2012-12-29 12:17:07 PM

Orange-Pippin: Again...what is your issue with this woman?


I don't have any issue with her. What's your issue with thinking I have an issue with her?
 
2012-12-29 12:23:12 PM

computerguyUT: randomjsa: Yes, people can and did live this way.

Except for the part where she's over 50 and completely healthy that is.

That would have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that she lived the first 9/10 of her life in an upscale home, had vaccinations and good food and all that.. Yeah, cause she's lived in a hut for a year she's some kind of hero.
If everyone tried to do this, they cities would jail them all for vagrancy.

She's burning wood which makes her carbon footprint MUCH larger than a normal suburban home.

The Article is interesting but complete bullshiat.


She's been there 19 years, if you'd bothered to read the "bullshiat" article.
 
2012-12-29 12:27:01 PM
Google "Sylvan Hart," a true American treasure.

Trust an old fart, it is worth your time.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:50 PM
The article is deceptive. The Brithdir Mawr community has solar panels, computers and trash pick-ups. They use gas and run businesses.

The Fark comments are venomous. Why do so many care if others want to combine the best of old and new and live simply? I'd enjoy having them as neighbors.
 
2012-12-29 12:34:46 PM
I suspect her hut isn't quite as romantically primitive as the article would like to pretend, given her last hut had solar panels

news.bbc.co.uk

...and double glazing

news.bbc.co.uk
 
2012-12-29 12:38:14 PM
I understand the urge.

I don't understand the warts.
 
2012-12-29 12:38:34 PM

SubBass49: Came here for the Unabomber...leaving happy


Thread needs more Dick Proenneke. Also, for once, the picture was exactly what I was expecting.

/heh, I said we need more Dick.
 
2012-12-29 12:45:31 PM

Bungles: I suspect her hut isn't quite as romantically primitive as the article would like to pretend, given her last hut had solar panels


FTA: The eco-community endured a decade of inquiries, court cases and a planning hearing before their fight, backed by more modern support for green issues, finally ended in victory in 2008 when the roundhouses were given planning approval.

But by then Mr and Mrs Orbach had divorced and the commune split into three entities, including hers. Each community is independent and they co-exist as neighbours in a more traditional style.

Explaining why she set up her own home just before 2000, Mrs Orbach said she felt a 'very strong pull to live life even more simply'.
 
2012-12-29 12:48:30 PM

Z-clipped: Bungles: I suspect her hut isn't quite as romantically primitive as the article would like to pretend, given her last hut had solar panels

FTA: The eco-community endured a decade of inquiries, court cases and a planning hearing before their fight, backed by more modern support for green issues, finally ended in victory in 2008 when the roundhouses were given planning approval.

But by then Mr and Mrs Orbach had divorced and the commune split into three entities, including hers. Each community is independent and they co-exist as neighbours in a more traditional style.

Explaining why she set up her own home just before 2000, Mrs Orbach said she felt a 'very strong pull to live life even more simply'.



I read that meaning she just didn't want to wash her downstairs any more, so abandoned the complexities of a husband and vaginal soap.
 
2012-12-29 12:50:48 PM

WhippingBoy: What's stopping you? Seriously.


I like all my modern stuff way too much and am a bit dependant on it.
 
2012-12-29 12:50:55 PM

MadSkillz: Have hobbits heard of Radon?


..or Giardia. ( I wouldn't drink untreated water, personally )
 
2012-12-29 12:54:12 PM
This is what Tom Bombadil's Goldberry really looks like.
 
2012-12-29 12:56:55 PM

Bungles: I read that meaning she just didn't want to wash her downstairs any more, so abandoned the complexities of a husband and vaginal soap.


People do funny things when they break up. When my last ex and I split, I shaved my head. Don't really know why... some kind of "fresh start" thing, I guess.
Looks like this woman gave up electricity along with her husband. I don't see any reason to disbelieve the claims made in the article.
 
2012-12-29 01:04:12 PM
a hobbit hole has more comfort than that. And more technology.
 
2012-12-29 01:04:13 PM

MadAzza: Who in the hell does she have sex with? If the answer is "no one," and I'm guessing it is, then what the hell does she look forward to every day? "Yippee, I get to eat and sh*t for one more day"?

That's so sad. I'm sure she's pretending to be happy, maybe even lying to herself about it, but ... no f*cking? She's not happy.


I'm guessing Master levels skillz... at bait'n.
 
2012-12-29 01:19:39 PM

Oblio13: The Fark comments are venomous. Why do so many care if others want to combine the best of old and new and live simply?


These are expats who live in Wales and vote for Fartbama. Duh.
 
2012-12-29 01:25:34 PM
No rent.

No mortgage payments.

No electric bill.

No water bill.

No cable TV bill.

Very low taxes, if any.

Sounds like a plan to me.
 
2012-12-29 01:50:02 PM
Mad Mardigan! Bring the child to Tir Ysbrydol!
 
2012-12-29 01:56:56 PM
She's a looker, that one.
 
2012-12-29 02:02:11 PM

prickle27: She's a looker, that one.


cinemafanatic.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-29 02:10:29 PM
Alison Gross she must be
The ugliest witch in the North Country
 
2012-12-29 02:12:32 PM
She lives with three goats and is suspicious of electricity.

I can't see how that is so far off from anyone else living in Wales.
 
2012-12-29 02:52:41 PM

Stone Meadow: xanadian: At least she didn't head off to Alaska and live out of a derelict bus.

/obscure?

Hardly. Besides, if he had taken fire and her other survival skills he'd just be another Alaska hippie, instead of an object lesson.


Indeed. And that lesson is: Pride cometh before a fall. At least that's what I got from it.
 
2012-12-29 03:01:23 PM
This is not the Emma you're looking for.
 
2012-12-29 03:20:14 PM

StoPPeRmobile: MadAzza: Who in the hell does she have sex with? If the answer is "no one," and I'm guessing it is, then what the hell does she look forward to every day? "Yippee, I get to eat and sh*t for one more day"?

That's so sad. I'm sure she's pretending to be happy, maybe even lying to herself about it, but ... no f*cking? She's not happy.

I'm guessing Master levels skillz... at bait'n.


That wouldn't cut it for me!

It's possible I was projecting, after going without for a week due to traveling. But I sure as heck wouldn't want to live without dick. If she's happy that way, cool.
 
2012-12-29 03:23:13 PM

spentshells: MadAzza: I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. T

A city with more than 10,000 people is just so intimate.


I meant f*cking.

It sounds like a pretty cool little community, though.
 
2012-12-29 03:29:44 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: MadAzza: Nogale: MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.

She was married, had three kids (who still visit her), and was a founding member of an eco-community. I think she's OK with her fellow humans.

Yeah, probably. Except that she left them.

reading isn't your strong point is it?


Civility isn't yours, is it?

I wasn't referring to her kids, specifically. I was referring to society in general, friends, other family, and so forth.

I was thinking she was alone out there. I missed the part about her living in a community, as someone else referenced, because I usually can't get through an entire Daily Mail article. If you can, then yes, your "reading power" is stronger than mine.

She should live however she wants to live. I'm not making fun of her. I think it sounds nice ... to a point. Not for me, but that lifestyle works for a lot of people, which is great. Perhaps the rest of us can learn something from them.
 
2012-12-29 03:38:43 PM

MadAzza: StoPPeRmobile: MadAzza: Who in the hell does she have sex with? If the answer is "no one," and I'm guessing it is, then what the hell does she look forward to every day? "Yippee, I get to eat and sh*t for one more day"?

That's so sad. I'm sure she's pretending to be happy, maybe even lying to herself about it, but ... no f*cking? She's not happy.

I'm guessing Master levels skillz... at bait'n.

That wouldn't cut it for me!

It's possible I was projecting, after going without for a week due to traveling. But I sure as heck wouldn't want to live without dick. If she's happy that way, cool.



It's not unusual at all for post-menopausal women to not want sex. Some have libidos that explode after the menopause, but some just have their cock-lust shrivel up.
 
2012-12-29 04:05:54 PM
She looks like central castings idea of a english peasant woman
 
2012-12-29 04:10:13 PM

skatedrifter: kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?

Her carbon footprint is next to nothing. She is happy and at peace. I like goats, etc.


She exhales carbon. She farts methane. GLOBAL WARMING!! SHE MUST DIE!!!!1111!!!!
 
2012-12-29 04:39:10 PM
She reminds me of Ted Kaczynski
 
2012-12-29 04:50:32 PM
Man, she really went downhill after the death of her husband Jerry.
 
2012-12-29 05:55:17 PM

cryinoutloud: Gawdzila: Well, she certainly fits the stereotype.
I'm glad she's having a good time and all, but frankly that sounds like a terribly unfulfilling existence to me.
Yay, repetitive manual labor every day.

I like doing manual labor. It is one of the most simple and fulfilling things you can do


For you maybe.
I like doing things with my hands, but I don't like manual labor. It's labor when it is required to survive.


cryinoutloud: doing things with your own hands, where you can see exactly how much you've done, and what the results are.


I can do that with my brain as well.


cryinoutloud: It's a hell of a lot more satisfying than sitting in front of a computer all day, or dealing with other people.


I suppose this might sound like a great idea if you're a misanthrope. I happen to like the company of other human beings. Besides, working the land isn't an objectively better or more fulfilling proposition unless that's the sort of thing you like to do. So NO, it ISN'T more satisfying for a lot of people, just to you and people who already agree with you.


cryinoutloud: how many of you wish you had time to work in a garden, or re-do that old car, or build something for yourself? But you don't have time, because of your totally fulfilling job where you earn a lot of money, but get little else from it. Also, enjoy being fat.


Lots of people have jobs that they love, and even without living in the woods I help tend a medium-large garden, do artwork / woodcarving, I keep bees, and am getting started with home-brewing. The best part is, I can do it when I want to instead of having to break my back every day lest I go hungry. And being fat (which I'm not) has to do with being a lazy ass, not what sort of job you do. Plus I won't get arthritis from having to do that stuff every day; my friend's dad was a contractor and his joints are wrecked.

So hey, if you find it fulfilling to dig and plow and saw and chop to survive you go right ahead, but don't pretend like it's the only way to get your fill of manual labor. As with many things, working with your hands is much more enjoyable when you can do it because you want to, not because you have to.
 
2012-12-29 05:56:22 PM

blacksho89: She's been there 19 years, if you'd bothered to read the "bullshiat" article.


Which doesn't change the fact that she's as healthy as she is because of modern society that she used to live in.
 
2012-12-29 06:14:48 PM

Orange-Pippin: hasty ambush: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. .

What a bunch of malarkey. She's paying property taxes so she obviously has income from somewhere. The article also stated that she "left" society. She may have a ton of cash saved somewhere for emergencies and/or she may sell eggs or some veggies. Speaking as a farmer, I still pay a ton in federal, state, and local taxes. I also have to report my income to the IRS. Just because she lives simply does not mean shes living off the taxpayer.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid

The whole point of a free society is that people have the right to choose. If she goes to the city to pick up goods--with money she's earned--what difference does it make?


Really . How much do you think she is paying taxes for the government services she is using when she goes to town, be it roads, sidewalks or the NHS? Her lifestyle is costing you
 
2012-12-29 06:17:44 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: hasty ambush: jethro1138: Good for her. Who cares what she looks like? I seriously wish I could live like that.

BS. As erewhon posted above. She is fine with it up until she needs some modern medical care which of course is finaced by taxes she is not paying. No doubt if really bad weather/natural disaster hits she will expect to be rescued an taken to a modern shelter with thing slike electricity and indoor plumbing-again financed with taxes she is not paying.

If people really want to live off the grid morepower to them as long a they don't come back each time they need something from the grid.

No doubt her trips to town involve more than just getting chocolate and rice.

since you are psychic, can you please give me the winning lottery numbers for this week coming up (I don't need to tell you where)


Look at the pictures. that pail she is using when milking her goat. Does not look homemade to me.
I bet she has to buy food for her farm animals also. Probably even makes use of veterinary services as needed.

There is nothing noble about what this woman is doing
 
2012-12-29 06:22:49 PM

randomjsa: blacksho89: She's been there 19 years, if you'd bothered to read the "bullshiat" article.

Which doesn't change the fact that she's as healthy as she is because of modern society that she used to live in.


So? What's your point?
 
2012-12-29 06:24:52 PM
She makes her living running a back to basics retreat for bored rich people, she found the target demographic for her buisness model. the entire article was done for the purposes of marketing the buisnes.

this is not an article about a hermit. it's about a woman who founded a commune.

and this post is not to take anything away from her or what she is doing. I admire it actually. it's what she likes, and what she does, and is making a sustainable income from it.
 
2012-12-29 06:32:52 PM

Orange-Pippin: Snapper Carr: I assume the people that are snarking her have either never read Walden or thought it was complete rubbish.


/I've considered doing the same thing except that being so far out from civilization/21st century medical technology would probably cut my life expectancy down to a few years.

You can still simplify your life and still have access to medical supplies. Start small. Find a small farm (not a hut), kill your TV, ban radio and stop watching movies. You will find, relatively quickly, how that will seperate you from the world on many levels. You don't have to live like a West Virginian mountaineer to embrace simplicity. That said, I know quite a few Anabaptists who are very insular but still have limited internet access, lights, cars, phones and many modern conveniences.


Hmm. I drive a truck long haul. I've chosen not to have a TV in the cab. I can't remember the last movie I saw in a theater. I do have an Android phone and Sirius/XM, although I couldn't tell you what the kids are listening to these days. Is Lady Gaga still big?

Other than that, I have books and magazines to help pass the time. I'm debating getting a laptop for a few video games I miss, but sort of worry about that becoming a time sync.

Other than that, I work a lot, see the country and visit family and friends now and then.

Life is both a lot simpler and happier, but I'm also a bit of a loner and like having my own little cave to travel the country in.

It's not for everyone, but I'm certainly much happier doing without many modern conveniences lots of people seem to view as necessities.
 
2012-12-29 07:41:14 PM

kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?


This.

Does anyone actually think this is in any way a sustainable lifestyle? How much land area is she using to support just one person? Multiply that by the population of New York and then explain to me how this is in any way practical.
 
2012-12-29 08:03:19 PM

Corydon: Orange-Pippin: Snapper Carr: I assume the people that are snarking her have either never read Walden or thought it was complete rubbish.


/I've considered doing the same thing except that being so far out from civilization/21st century medical technology would probably cut my life expectancy down to a few years.

You can still simplify your life and still have access to medical supplies. Start small. Find a small farm (not a hut), kill your TV, ban radio and stop watching movies. You will find, relatively quickly, how that will seperate you from the world on many levels. You don't have to live like a West Virginian mountaineer to embrace simplicity. That said, I know quite a few Anabaptists who are very insular but still have limited internet access, lights, cars, phones and many modern conveniences.

Hmm. I drive a truck long haul. I've chosen not to have a TV in the cab. I can't remember the last movie I saw in a theater. I do have an Android phone and Sirius/XM, although I couldn't tell you what the kids are listening to these days. Is Lady Gaga still big?

Other than that, I have books and magazines to help pass the time. I'm debating getting a laptop for a few video games I miss, but sort of worry about that becoming a time sync.

Other than that, I work a lot, see the country and visit family and friends now and then.

Life is both a lot simpler and happier, but I'm also a bit of a loner and like having my own little cave to travel the country in.

It's not for everyone, but I'm certainly much happier doing without many modern conveniences lots of people seem to view as necessities.


I'm a lot like you. I've never used a computer or a smart phone or anything like that in my life, and I've never even been on the Internet.
 
2012-12-29 08:31:02 PM

randomjsa: blacksho89: She's been there 19 years, if you'd bothered to read the "bullshiat" article.

Which doesn't change the fact that she's as healthy as she is because of modern society that she used to live in.


Did I say anything about THAT? Hell, you don't read the article OR the comments before shooting your mouth off.
 
2012-12-29 08:39:43 PM

MadAzza: ThrobblefootSpectre: Meh. A hero is someone who uses their education or talents to contribute to society, not retreat from it for self-absorbed reasons. I don't fault her for her lifestyle choices, but neither do I think she is, in any way imaginable, a hero.

Yeah, pretty much this. A lot of people are going to make fun of her appearance (particularly those giant moles/tumors/whatever they are on her face, which probably need medical attention), but that stuff isn't important to her.

I am bothered by her withdrawal from intimacy with other humans, though. That can be fine, plenty of people choose to go solo, but sometimes that choice indicates fear of intimacy due to underlying mental illness, or prior sexual or physical abuse.


You know how I know you didn't read the whole article?
 
2012-12-29 09:22:53 PM
Good for her. To each his or her own, I say!
I hope she wins the "Miss Middle Earth" competition this year.
 
2012-12-29 09:43:14 PM

StrangeQ: kmmontandon: Why does this make her a "Hero"?

This.

Does anyone actually think this is in any way a sustainable lifestyle? How much land area is she using to support just one person? Multiply that by the population of New York and then explain to me how this is in any way practical.


This, basically. She lives on 5 acres of land, according to the Wikipedia article on Brithdir Mawr. The web site for Tir Ysbrydol shows huge, cleared fields, with horse, wagon, and other amenities.

It's an idyllic life, but it's not one that can be adopted as a model for the population in general. It is commendable, however, and a lifestyle to which I've given serious thought. They're not abandoning the "outside world" - some of the members of Brithdir Mawr work off-site, to make money for the community, and she has plenty of family who live elsewhere - they're just adopting a simpler life. It's a nice thing to do if you can afford the land and you're of that mindset.
 
2012-12-29 09:59:33 PM

Gawdzila: cryinoutloud: doing things with your own hands, where you can see exactly how much you've done, and what the results are.

I can do that with my brain as well.


You can manipulate matter with your brain? Sounds like you got one of those useful mutations.
 
2012-12-29 10:56:25 PM
Hansel and Gretel last seen being invited in for lunch
 
2012-12-30 08:33:47 AM
that explains where Nanny McPhee lives inbetween assignments
blog.bcm.com.au
 
2012-12-30 09:58:28 AM
she had to go to oxford to do that stuff?

seems like she could have skipped it and got more done
 
2012-12-30 12:13:03 PM

randomjsa: blacksho89: She's been there 19 years, if you'd bothered to read the "bullshiat" article.

Which doesn't change the fact that she's as healthy as she is because of modern society that she used to live in.


Which doesn't have farkall to do with anything.
 
2012-12-30 04:12:21 PM
So, she's a hillbilly. Why does this warrant an article?
 
2012-12-30 10:40:52 PM
Came for "Burn her" reference.

Leaving "I got better"
 
2012-12-31 11:01:42 AM

rczeien: So, she's a hillbilly. Why does this warrant an article?


Because apparently they are migrating and without the natural predators might become an invasive species.
 
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