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2012-12-29 12:12:46 AM  
 
2012-12-29 12:57:31 AM  
It's a sad day when something as pure as a state lottery is sullied by this type of behavior.
 
2012-12-29 03:35:13 AM  
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2012-12-29 05:02:38 AM  
Not even enough beer...Apos
 
2012-12-29 05:06:00 AM  
Do they not have the lottery terminals that play "We're In The Money" when the clerk scans a winning ticket (and something else for a loser)?
 
2012-12-29 05:13:49 AM  
A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.
 
2012-12-29 05:17:32 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.


I'm thinking there might be a charge of fraud involved.  Just a guess.
 
2012-12-29 05:33:11 AM  
The Stupid is strong with this one.
 
2012-12-29 05:39:45 AM  
Well... to begin with you aren't that bright if you buy scratch off tickets in the first place. It's not much of a stretch to believe if someone is stupid enough to buy them in the first place, they are stupid enough to not be able to tell if they matched 3 sets of numbers (or whatever the game is)

Math is hard?

I've stood in line and watch scraggly homeless farks buy 20 dollars worth of tickets and then proceed to scratch them RIGHT there. Some people deserve to be homeless and using a rat for a pillow for crap like this.

Now we the tax payers get to support this fat ugly whale for however long in jail - chop off her right hand and be done with it. Simple, clean, cheap, and you can be sure she wouldn't steal ever again.
 
2012-12-29 05:47:22 AM  

accelerus: chop off her right hand and be done with it.


I am all for this for thieves. It would make it so much easier for stores to watch for potential shoplifters. Look for the lady with the hook back by the porterhouse steaks.
 
2012-12-29 05:52:56 AM  
I buy them every once in a while. A few months ago I won $20 on a dollar ticket. When I went to cash it the guy asked me if I knew how much I had won. Having heard stories like this before I said that he has the scanner and he knows how much I won. He asks me again "just to verify". I said give me the money and I'll tell you if it's the correct amount. I have no idea if he was hoping I'd say a lower number so he could pocket the difference or if he really did want to verify. Who knows, maybe somebody earlier accused him of shorting them and he was being cautious.
 
2012-12-29 05:59:37 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.


This person may have been better off punching someone in the face and taking $50 cash out of that person's wallet than to defraud any lottery of any amount of money.
 
2012-12-29 06:01:25 AM  
Or defrauding a recipient their winnings, etc.

This kind of thing is worth more than $50 to the state in bad publicity, so you'd better crack down hard on this kind of behavior.
 
2012-12-29 06:03:38 AM  
My daddy's chauffeur informed me that lotteries tickets can be redeemed for cash, therefore this is tantamount to the most heinous of crimes theft of money!!!

Dictated but not read by judge whitey.
 
2012-12-29 06:04:42 AM  

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Blargh!!  This is one of those 'down with the clown' things, isn't it??
 
2012-12-29 06:50:58 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.

If things keep going the way they are by making petty crimes felonies then society will consist of 90% inmates; the only people not in jail will be CEO's politicians and fat cops.

This is what people vote for everytime. Law 'n' Ordah!!!
 
2012-12-29 07:17:38 AM  
Day_Old_Dutchie
Two Dogs Farking: A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.
If things keep going the way they are by making petty crimes felonies then society will consist of 90% inmates; the only people not in jail will be CEO's politicians and fat cops.


Alternatively a 'misdemeanor felony' class will be put in place, making the whole concept of felony loose it's meaning.
 
2012-12-29 07:23:38 AM  
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2012-12-29 07:29:40 AM  
Momma didn't raise her well
 
2012-12-29 07:34:54 AM  
Yep, this isn't shoplifting.   The rules are different for fraud and embezzlement which is what is covered in the NC false pretenses law she appears to be cited with.   Class H felony.   She'll get 3-6 months probation unless she has priors.
 
2012-12-29 07:45:46 AM  
rnatalie,
Class H felony.


How many classes of felonies are there? Maybe the concept of felony needs to be dropped in circumstances of less then so many dollars?
 
2012-12-29 07:48:28 AM  

Enemabag Jones: rnatalie,
Class H felony.

How many classes of felonies are there? Maybe the concept of felony needs to be dropped in circumstances of less then so many dollars?


Questioning how felonies are classified is a Class R felony.
 
2012-12-29 07:51:24 AM  
I'm trying to think of how a person could be lazier than telling a clerk "Look at my scratch-off ticket and tell me if I won" and, short of telling the girl behind the counter at McDonald's "I have beshat my sweatpants. Change me, for I am lovin' it" I'm failing.
 
2012-12-29 08:03:35 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.


You think appeals courts just toss out convictions they don't like or don't think should happen at whim? Sorry they go with the law and when the law says its a felony to defraud the lottery then its a felony regardless the amount of the money stolen and the appeals court will laugh your ass out when you try to say its such a small amount to ignore the state legislature and write 'court law'.
 
2012-12-29 08:20:56 AM  
50 bucks never killed anybody
 
2012-12-29 08:27:21 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to think of how a person could be lazier than telling a clerk "Look at my scratch-off ticket and tell me if I won" and, short of telling the girl behind the counter at McDonald's "I have beshat my sweatpants. Change me, for I am lovin' it" I'm failing.


New keyboard. Now.
 
2012-12-29 08:31:16 AM  
I think her dumbest move in all of this was giving the ticket back when he "stormed back in" asking for it after talking to his friend. :P She got him to throw it in the trash in the first place, she should've immediately taken that bin out to the dumpster and mixed it up real good. Instead "oh sure, here it is back I'm sure this evidence won't come back in any way to haunt me."
 
2012-12-29 08:34:25 AM  
I must live in an area with really honest clerks. I get scratch-offs from time to time. I've actually won $100 a couple times, and $50 at least a few times.

This is the thing about the honest clerks. I've gone in to cash in my $10 winner, and the clerk says, "Cool, $25". That's always nice.

I have never once had a clerk rip me off.
 
2012-12-29 08:53:41 AM  
"Stupid Messican will never figure out this plot hatched by the gorgeous, brilliant, white beauty queen"
 
2012-12-29 09:12:50 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to think of how a person could be lazier than telling a clerk "Look at my scratch-off ticket and tell me if I won" and, short of telling the girl behind the counter at McDonald's "I have beshat my sweatpants. Change me, for I am lovin' it" I'm failing.


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2012-12-29 09:37:52 AM  
Ontario Lottery Commission had a huge problem with clerks doing this a few years back, but i think it was for draws as well as scratchers. Several people were arrested for collecting some very large prizes and the commission revamped the system to help prevent future occurrences
 
2012-12-29 09:38:46 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Two Dogs Farking: A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.
If things keep going the way they are by making petty crimes felonies then society will consist of 90% inmates; the only people not in jail will be CEO's politicians and fat cops.

This is what people vote for everytime. Law 'n' Ordah!!!


The whole reason things "keep going the way they are going" is because jail these days isn't really a harsh punishment. Yes, there are isolated areas of prison rape, but by and large if you get hauled to jail for stealing, violence, or any of the other standard stuff you are basically on holiday. Free food, free medical care, free place to sleep, no rent, plenty of time to work out, and if you are one of those crafty inmates you will exit the system with MORE knowledge of crime and a stronger social network of criminal friends. You have countless examples of homeless guys who go and stir up trouble just so they can get a hot meal and bed to sleep in at the local jail.

If you want jail to be a deterrent you have to make it really really bad for EVERYONE that's there. If you knew that you were going to be cold, sick, hungry, and at risk of being beaten up every single day - people would think twice. We would save untold millions and at the same time reduce the glamour of this "thug life" that's been idolized.

Most of my focus is on theft of violence - i really don't give two craps about the 18 year old who got caught with a bag of weed on him. I think drugs are stupid - but who was he hurting really?

I'd bet everything I have on theft dropping drastically 6 months to a year if we ever instituted a policy of cutting of a theifs hand. The social reinforcement / shame aspect alone would be a huge benefit to society. In a single generation we could teach the kids JUST how wrong stealing is and what the consequences are.
 
2012-12-29 10:16:24 AM  
Stupid tax.

/freedom!
//I feel safer
 
2012-12-29 10:50:01 AM  
accelerus:
"I'd bet everything I have on theft dropping drastically 6 months to a year if we ever instituted a policy of cutting of a theifs hand. The social reinforcement / shame aspect alone would be a huge benefit to society. In a single generation we could teach the kids JUST how wrong stealing is and what the consequences are."

They wouldn't have to steal because they would then qualify for SSI.

Your whole post is hopelessly naïve, not to mention impossible, based on this whole "constitution" thingy we have. But I feel your pain.
 
2012-12-29 11:00:16 AM  

accelerus: Day_Old_Dutchie: Two Dogs Farking: A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.
If things keep going the way they are by making petty crimes felonies then society will consist of 90% inmates; the only people not in jail will be CEO's politicians and fat cops.

This is what people vote for everytime. Law 'n' Ordah!!!

The whole reason things "keep going the way they are going" is because jail these days isn't really a harsh punishment. Yes, there are isolated areas of prison rape, but by and large if you get hauled to jail for stealing, violence, or any of the other standard stuff you are basically on holiday. Free food, free medical care, free place to sleep, no rent, plenty of time to work out, and if you are one of those crafty inmates you will exit the system with MORE knowledge of crime and a stronger social network of criminal friends. You have countless examples of homeless guys who go and stir up trouble just so they can get a hot meal and bed to sleep in at the local jail.

If you want jail to be a deterrent you have to make it really really bad for EVERYONE that's there. If you knew that you were going to be cold, sick, hungry, and at risk of being beaten up every single day - people would think twice. We would save untold millions and at the same time reduce the glamour of this "thug life" that's been idolized.

Most of my focus is on theft of violence - i really don't give two craps about the 18 year old who got caught with a bag of weed on him. I think drugs are stupid - but who was he hurting really?

I'd bet everything I have on theft dropping drastically 6 months to a year if we ever instituted a policy of cutting of a theifs hand. The social reinforcement / shame aspect alone would be a huge benefit to society. In a single generation we could teach the kids JUST how wrong stealing is and what the consequences are.


t.qkme.me
If this was the case, theft wouldn't exist in Saudia Arabia.

or rape.

or murder.

Guess what? Reality shows that brutal punishments do nothing to stop crime from happening.

But, continue on, Mr. ITG
 
2012-12-29 11:18:22 AM  

Enemabag Jones: rnatalie,
Class H felony.

How many classes of felonies are there? Maybe the concept of felony needs to be dropped in circumstances of less then so many dollars?


There are 9 (well 10 if you count that class B is divided into B2 for 2nd Degree murder and B1 for everything else like rape, incest, weapons of mass destruction, and rape).

The only break between fraud/embezzlement comes at $100,000 when the penalties get real serious.   Prison is pretty much guaranteed (44-73 months).
 
2012-12-29 11:27:16 AM  
Since there are already scanners that can scan your ticket and tell you if it's a winner or not (and how much if it is), why not take it to the next level? Just have the machines take in the ticket and dispense the winnings. If it's over a certain amount ($500 I think) spit the ticket back out with a claim form. It ain't rocket science and would go a long way in fighting fraud and theft.

/of course this makes some sort of sense, so we can't have that
 
2012-12-29 01:37:02 PM  

OgreMagi: Two Dogs Farking:

A felony charge over $50? Yeah, that'll stand up on appeal.

I'm thinking there might be a charge of fraud involved.  Just a guess.


And theft. And abuse of State lottery facilities or something like that.

I recommend six months in the hoosegow and prunes for every meal.
 
2012-12-29 02:20:21 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Since there are already scanners that can scan your ticket and tell you if it's a winner or not (and how much if it is), why not take it to the next level? Just have the machines take in the ticket and dispense the winnings. If it's over a certain amount ($500 I think) spit the ticket back out with a claim form. It ain't rocket science and would go a long way in fighting fraud and theft.

/of course this makes some sort of sense, so we can't have that


Yeah, they have those.   You can't walk more than 10 feet before bumping into one.   You put your money in and if you win it spits out the winnings down below.
 
2012-12-29 03:07:52 PM  

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Why did you do that?
 
2012-12-29 03:14:58 PM  
that was supposed to say ...can't walk more than ten feet in Vegas without bumping into...
 
2012-12-29 07:19:48 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Since there are already scanners that can scan your ticket and tell you if it's a winner or not (and how much if it is), why not take it to the next level? Just have the machines take in the ticket and dispense the winnings. If it's over a certain amount ($500 I think) spit the ticket back out with a claim form. It ain't rocket science and would go a long way in fighting fraud and theft.

/of course this makes some sort of sense, so we can't have that


The state lotteries have an expectation of making some money on winning tickets that are disposed of thinking they are losers.
 
2012-12-29 10:27:51 PM  
This happened to me in Land O' Lakes, Florida except it was $500 instead of $50. He said I won $5 instead of $500.
 
2012-12-29 10:28:38 PM  

accelerus: Well... to begin with you aren't that bright if you buy scratch off tickets in the first place. It's not much of a stretch to believe if someone is stupid enough to buy them in the first place, they are stupid enough to not be able to tell if they matched 3 sets of numbers (or whatever the game is)

Math is hard?

I've stood in line and watch scraggly homeless farks buy 20 dollars worth of tickets and then proceed to scratch them RIGHT there. Some people deserve to be homeless and using a rat for a pillow for crap like this.

Now we the tax payers get to support this fat ugly whale for however long in jail - chop off her right hand and be done with it. Simple, clean, cheap, and you can be sure she wouldn't steal ever again.


Well maybe once more. But not twice.
 
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