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(The Detroit_News)   Ambulance-chaser laments new Michigan standard for slip-and-fall is now "look out for the ice, stupid" instead of "find a patch of ice, slip, win lottery"   (detroitnews.com) divider line 62
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2012-12-29 12:59:31 PM  

cryinoutloud: Around here, they use a lot more sand and gravel, and not so much salt, but then you end up with a broken windshield. It's a rare vehicle in Montana that doesn't have cracks in the windshield. I'd still rather have the dinged windshield.


In Alaska, we use almost exclusively sand/gravel for (I believe) two reasons:

1. Salt is only useful above certain temperatures, and we spend a good amount of time below those temperatures.
2. Moose. No reason to give them a reason to hang out in the middle of the road.

It's easy to spot the new/out of state cars, too - they all have pristine windshields. All it takes is a small chip and a couple of -40 days to ruin that.
 
2012-12-29 03:47:10 PM  
For an ex-pat Scandinavian, this is the sort of thing to bring on a legal headache. Bonus pater familias, b.tches. If you can't be arsed to look where you put your feet, don't go out in winter. If you mess it up and fall, don't start looking for someone else to blame, mmkay?

/Admittedly, your stupid health care system will often add fiscal insult to physical injury, so...
 
2012-12-29 05:40:30 PM  
thorthor: Farkin ambulance chasing lawyers caused this mess in the first place, now if you legitimately slip and fall, (rare I admit), yer screwed.

Something something boy that cried wolf.
 
2012-12-29 06:34:57 PM  
In SE Michigan you easily see the cycle of:

1. Snow.
2. Slight increase of temp, things turn to slush.
3. Snow, slush refreezes as ice.

two or three times in the same day. Don't trust anything to be safe to walk on. A perfectly clean sidewalk can have an almost invisible thin coat of ice on it.
 
2012-12-29 06:54:47 PM  

thorthor: Farkin ambulance chasing lawyers caused this mess in the first place, now if you legitimately slip and fall, (rare I admit), yer screwed.


One of the reasons why the US is more prone to lawsuits is because of the serious economic repercussions if an individual becomes injured. Think about it, slip, fall, crack a bone, lose a few weeks off of work, a couple of thousand dollars in medical bills the average American is looking at a serious financial loss, if not outright bankruptcy.

You'd be a fool to not at least attempt a lawsuit.
 
2012-12-29 08:49:02 PM  

fredklein: And then the cops charged my with going too fast on top of it!! Their argument was that since I got into an accident, I was obviously going too fast for conditions. You can be going 1mph, and get cited for "too fast"- after all you could have been going 1/2mph!


Sometimes driving at all IS too fast for the conditions.
 
2012-12-29 09:05:48 PM  
I haven't met or been involved with Bernsteins, but I have met Feiger once. I felt my skin crawl before I saw him and couldn't wait for him to walk away. I can't imagine worse than him, however like I said I haven't met a Bernstein.

Flint does have a law on the books about not cleaning sidewalks and on occasion they may actually enforce it. It is possible to clear the sidewalk without salt, however a little more labor intensive. Busting and scrapping ice by hand does give a good upper body workout.
 
2012-12-29 09:08:49 PM  

davidphogan: fredklein: And then the cops charged my with going too fast on top of it!! Their argument was that since I got into an accident, I was obviously going too fast for conditions. You can be going 1mph, and get cited for "too fast"- after all you could have been going 1/2mph!

Sometimes driving at all IS too fast for the conditions.


If it was a blizzard, I'd agree with you. But it wasn't. Other cars were driving that same road, there was no indication there was ice- My mother drove the other way a half hour before, no signs of ice. The 10 miles I had already driven- no signs of ice. I saw a set of tire tracks in he snow- a car had gone around that curve not long before and they showed no signs slipping. Point was, it was an accident. Accidents happen. But it just really pissed me off to be charged with 'driving too fast', like I was recklessly speeding or something.

/and while we were awaiting the police, a sand truck came by and went back and forth spewing sand twice, on both sides of the road, so by the time the cop showed up, the road was wet, but not snowy or icy
 
2012-12-29 09:50:22 PM  

fredklein: Pennsylvania, me with a Learners Permit. Driving for the first time in snow. My mother had just driven the road on one direction to pick me up from work, saw no signs of ice. I was driving slowly- 25 in a 40, and had no problems for 90% of the trip. About 2 miles from home, going around a curve, hit a patch of ice, slid across the road, slowly spinning, hit the shoulder backwards. There was a 6' embankment, car rolled over (rather gently, actually), landed on its roof.

Between the crushed roof, racked frame and the engine which was upside down for hours before the tow truck arrived, the car was totaled. Losing the car set of a series of events that... well, I won't bore you, but it really farked up my plans for the future. I had to deal with the fact that I almost killed myself and my mother. And then the cops charged my with going too fast on top of it!! Their argument was that since I got into an accident, I was obviously going too fast for conditions. You can be going 1mph, and get cited for "too fast"- after all you could have been going 1/2mph!


Heh. I've had three 50'+ drifts and spinouts in upstate New York while going 5 mph or less. No damage one two of them, scratched up the right side of my company pickup. One of the spinoffs I came within one foot of t-boning a police car. There I was, skidding across the intersection at like 2 mph, the cops just watching me come. Came to a complete stop just short of their car. Officer just shook his head and drove off.
 
2012-12-30 11:40:45 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: fredklein: Pennsylvania, me with a Learners Permit. Driving for the first time in snow. My mother had just driven the road on one direction to pick me up from work, saw no signs of ice. I was driving slowly- 25 in a 40, and had no problems for 90% of the trip. About 2 miles from home, going around a curve, hit a patch of ice, slid across the road, slowly spinning, hit the shoulder backwards. There was a 6' embankment, car rolled over (rather gently, actually), landed on its roof.

Between the crushed roof, racked frame and the engine which was upside down for hours before the tow truck arrived, the car was totaled. Losing the car set of a series of events that... well, I won't bore you, but it really farked up my plans for the future. I had to deal with the fact that I almost killed myself and my mother. And then the cops charged my with going too fast on top of it!! Their argument was that since I got into an accident, I was obviously going too fast for conditions. You can be going 1mph, and get cited for "too fast"- after all you could have been going 1/2mph!

Heh. I've had three 50'+ drifts and spinouts in upstate New York while going 5 mph or less. No damage one two of them, scratched up the right side of my company pickup. One of the spinoffs I came within one foot of t-boning a police car. There I was, skidding across the intersection at like 2 mph, the cops just watching me come. Came to a complete stop just short of their car. Officer just shook his head and drove off.


I almost hit a cop from behind while he was standing in the middle of an intersection directing traffic after the car in front of me had crested the hill I was sliding down and slid across the road. I followed about a minute after I guess, laying on the horn as he jumped out of the way. My car slid across 2 lanes of live traffic and ended up in this dude's garden. My oldest daughter, just a little kid at the time, seemed unperturned that I'd almost killed a police officer.

The dude whose garden it was was watching from his livingroom. He picked up his phone and called someone. I'd like to think it was his wife and he was saying something like 'That's another one, Margaret'.

There was no snow and - it seemed - no ice that morning. But yeah, it kiced my butt that day.
 
2012-12-30 11:48:56 AM  
Forgot to add: I had a narrow window of space to get through if I was going to come out of this unscathed. There was a telephone pole and a sign right in front of me, the sign was pointing to the road I was sliding down. I had to steer my sliding car between the 2, roughly where the minivan is on this Link

I wasn't even sure there was room to get through so I steered it as close to the sign as I could, figuring the sign would cause less damage than colliding with the telephone pole. In the end, I slid through with an inch or two either side and spun parallel to the road.

I managed to get my car out of the garden, the cop stopped traffic and let me get on my way, none the worse for what had happened. The car that had been in front of me was totalled and sitting on the dude's driveway.
 
2012-12-31 08:26:45 AM  

Mr. Right: Ordinary Genius: Please be a Bernstein, please be a Bernstein....YES!

The Bernstein law firm is a bottom feeder of bottom feeders. And in the state that is home to Geoffrey Fieger that's saying something.


And Marc looks like he got kicked in the face by a mule.
 
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