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2012-12-29 06:42:47 AM
way south: The Chinese can do whatever the Chinese want so long as the crazy stays on their side of the line.

was the holocaust ok too as long as that moustachiod fella kept it on his side of the pond?
 
2012-12-29 06:43:49 AM

Lost_in_Korea: Amazing! Korea just went the opposite way this year. You used to have to have a Korean ID number to access a number of web sites or make comments. They just eliminated that requirement about 6 months ago.


Not if you're a kid Link
 
2012-12-29 06:43:54 AM
In other news, Diane Feinstein will be introducing similar legislation when the Senate convenes again in January.
 
2012-12-29 06:47:10 AM

Ed Finnerty: serial_crusher: The measure would require service providers to ask users to provide their real names and other identifying information if they want to post information publicly or sign up for access to the internet and telephone services, Xinhua said.

Isn't that basically how it works in America?  You try signing up for an ISP or phone company without providing your name and billing address.

They can always use a Virtual Private Netwok.


HAHAHAHAHAHA

you better hold on tighter to your "packet" there Turing.

VPN's don't circumvent programs like carnivore and that's almost an obsolete technology at this point.
encryption is (almost) useless too.

i don't have the link handy, but three weeks ago or so, a kid broke the best encryption method in less than 48 hours using a hotrodded server.

that encryption was supposedly unbreakable.

those that own the hose control the water from the well and they are compliant to corporations and the police state...in Gunmerica, England, Canada etc etc...

you go hide behind your "ten proxy" VPN and threaten a president or something and see how long it takes to find you...

now shush
 
2012-12-29 06:47:53 AM

serial_crusher: The measure would require service providers to ask users to provide their real names and other identifying information if they want to post information publicly or sign up for access to the internet and telephone services, Xinhua said.

Isn't that basically how it works in America?  You try signing up for an ISP or phone company without providing your name and billing address.


Pretty much, yeah. I guess the difference is that the ISPs don't have to give your info to the feds, but they usually do anyway.
 
2012-12-29 06:48:23 AM
Didn't Blizzard try this already in the US for their forums and it was boycotted against hardcore?
 
2012-12-29 06:48:49 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: way south: The Chinese can do whatever the Chinese want so long as the crazy stays on their side of the line.

was the holocaust ok too as long as that moustachiod fella kept it on his side of the pond?


godwin troll

10/10
 
2012-12-29 06:49:53 AM
Don't worry, I hear anonymous will take care of this sort of thing.
 
2012-12-29 06:53:14 AM

borg
Except it's President Obama
House Republicans urge Obama not to issue cybersecurity order

The White House is currently drafting an executive order that would encourage operators of critical infrastructure, such as banks and electric grids, to meet cybersecurity standards.
They said the president should support the Republicans' cybersecurity bill, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), which would encourage companies to share information about cyber threats.


So telling public utilities and banks to tighten up security holes is bad, but cispa is good.


sendtodave ,
Randi Zuckerberg, Facebook:
"I think anonymity on the Internet has to go away," she said during a panel discussion on social media hosted Tuesday evening by Marie Claire magazine. "People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. ... I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doors."


Randi Zuckerberg would be the first to start eating babies if it was in fashion, and then point the fingers at others.
 
2012-12-29 06:58:55 AM

Haliburton Cummings: Ed Finnerty: serial_crusher: The measure would require service providers to ask users to provide their real names and other identifying information if they want to post information publicly or sign up for access to the internet and telephone services, Xinhua said.

Isn't that basically how it works in America?  You try signing up for an ISP or phone company without providing your name and billing address.

They can always use a Virtual Private Netwok.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

you better hold on tighter to your "packet" there Turing.

VPN's don't circumvent programs like carnivore and that's almost an obsolete technology at this point.
encryption is (almost) useless too.

i don't have the link handy, but three weeks ago or so, a kid broke the best encryption method in less than 48 hours using a hotrodded server.

that encryption was supposedly unbreakable.

those that own the hose control the water from the well and they are compliant to corporations and the police state...in Gunmerica, England, Canada etc etc...

you go hide behind your "ten proxy" VPN and threaten a president or something and see how long it takes to find you...

now shush


You may want to read my post more carefully.
 
2012-12-29 06:58:56 AM

Enemabag Jones: Randi Zuckerberg would be the first to start eating babies if it was in fashion, and then point the fingers at others.


If it were in fashion, how would she be the first?
 
2012-12-29 07:02:57 AM

stirfrybry: why are fark liberals so ignorant that they say Republicans are pushing for this in america when it's their own messiah doing it?

Fark liberals are the most ignorant farkers on the internet


I've been saying that about the FarkLibtards for years.
 
2012-12-29 07:03:00 AM

stirfrybry: why are fark liberals so ignorant that they say Republicans are pushing for this in america when it's their own messiah doing it?

Fark liberals are the most ignorant farkers on the internet


As opposed to booger-eating, drooling trolls like you?

No.
 
2012-12-29 07:05:24 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Mike_LowELL: Good.  I'm sick of trolls who hide behind fictitious personalities and spew garbage.  I can say this, since I am the head of a multi-billion dollar corporation and you are all poor and smelly liberals.  Lol.  Get stenched, nerds.

How many years did you serve? If you aren't a green beret seal 9/11 victim and holocaust survivor and ww2 vet who fought and died so that aholes like you have the right to spew that kind of garbage then you should just shut the hell up and let those of us who earned it speak. Semper Fictus!


Shut up, Mooslum.
 
2012-12-29 07:08:52 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: way south: The Chinese can do whatever the Chinese want so long as the crazy stays on their side of the line.

was the holocaust ok too as long as that moustachiod fella kept it on his side of the pond?


When compared to the atrocities of equal or greater value we passed up on stopping?
Some would (and did) say it was ok to ignore, but fortunately there were other reasons we got involved in that war.

/You might recall the German bombing of Pearl Harbor.
 
2012-12-29 07:09:02 AM

Tumunga: stirfrybry: why are fark liberals so ignorant that they say Republicans are pushing for this in america when it's their own messiah doing it?

Fark liberals are the most ignorant farkers on the internet

I've been saying that about the FarkLibtards for years.


So, as a FarkIdiot, you think encouraging banks and power plants and so forth to be secure is bad, and you prefer the Republican CISPA plan, which is a far greater Federal intrusion into your privacy, because it was proposed by Republicans.

Got it.
 
2012-12-29 07:12:50 AM
sendtodave
Enemabag Jones: Randi Zuckerberg would be the first to start eating babies if it was in fashion, and then point the fingers at others.
If it were in fashion, how would she be the first?


I am so glad you asked, senttodave, ignoring my clear use of confused logic, or at least a badly composed sentence.

Randi Zuckerberg has shilled for making online anonymity go away and then she chided a facebook friend for sharing a photograph with the public that Randi left open to her.

Link

Link

Remember how the word 'bush' and 'incompetent' were tied together in 2005-2008. I would like to see that same thing in with 'Randi Zuckerberg' and 'coont'.
 
2012-12-29 07:27:23 AM

JerkyMeat: Didn't the GOP suggest the same thing for Americans?



.
You seem confused, so-called-progressives are not part of the Republican party.

"Equal time Rule" - First they tried to force private networks to air opinions they do not hold. Link

Then

"Employee Free Choice Act" - or "Card Check" where your free speech at the ballot box would be used to harass and intimidate you and your family. Link

And

Then all of the other examples cited above by others. You got to love how so-called-progressives Stalinists have such cute sounding names for their hideously dark intents.
 
2012-12-29 07:28:55 AM
Don't they all have one of 10 last names?
 
2012-12-29 07:29:15 AM
I wouldn't mind requiring all Internet users to post their name rather than some asinine logon. Anonymity is the cover that encourages most of the punks on the Internet to shiat all over everyone and everything. Requiring people to own what they say is not a restriction on freedom of speech.

China does not guarantee freedom of speech to their citizens, nor so far as I know they don't even make a pretense of it. If you're interested in the rights of the Chinese, this is the problem you should be complaining about.
 
2012-12-29 07:31:56 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Isn't the Brits doing the same thing?


.
And both countries have awesome gun control. Coincidence?

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-12-29 07:42:38 AM
China is really complex. Legally Chinese citizens have freedom of speech, but the state will often prosecute speech they disagree with under arcane laws like "spreading rumors" or "subverting the state" or other laws that make it illegal to challenge the supreme role of the party.

What's even more scary is the extra-legal "reform through labor" program officials use to punish people outside legal channels, or the black jails used to detain people so they don't make complaints.

What's happening here is the new Politburo Standing Committee members are engaging in a new anti-corruption campaign to try and salvage the image of the Party that's taken a beating in the past decade. The amount of corruption in China is seriously staggering, at nearly all levels of society- even the little old lady who sells dumplings outside my apartment has to pay off the code enforcement officials to keep her business going, and I personally know two foreign teachers who had to leave my city because their boss couldn't afford the bribes to get their paperwork done.

So what's happening is that Chinese internet users have gotten really, really good at exposing corruption online, and officials who have millions in illegal income, secret mistresses, numerous apartments or luxury watches and clothing far outside their means are running scared that they'll get caught in up in the dragnet from the Party leadership.

The other half of it is the need for the new leaders to control the rhetoric and make a show of force to remind everyone they're in charge and to fall in line. This is a surprising development, especially since Xi Jinping is viewed cautiously as someone who might loosen up the country, but it's not entirely unexpected. These kinds of regulations don't really matter much, since the government can find you even if you're posting anonymously. The most critical comments posted online are taken down quickly anyway, and they'll find you if they really need to.

Although it's scary, VPN services seem to have stabilized pretty quickly. My feeling is that the government isn't totally serious about another free speech crackdown like this and things will go back to normal.
 
2012-12-29 07:47:12 AM

way south: The Chinese can do whatever the Chinese want so long as the crazy stays on their side of the line.
What scares me is people like Feinstein and company take notes from them because these things sound like good ideas in their warped little minds.

/mark my words, registration is coming this way too.
/its gonna be part of some "save the children" act that sneaks through before a holiday.


Umm... Patriot Act?

It's been stated pretty well on this thread already but ALL people with power will eventually become paranoid and want to take away people's rights.
 
2012-12-29 07:50:13 AM
Article: Chinese doing bad reprehensible shiat

Fark comments section: OMG GOP LOL MESSIAH 0BAMAFONE LOL MUSLIN REPTILIAN JEWS
 
2012-12-29 07:57:10 AM
But my real name is DoctorOfLove, and I do live on the dark side of the moon.
 
2012-12-29 07:59:15 AM
randomjsa: And almost without exception, when the people in power on the left are left unchecked they will push through massive government control of everything because its "what's best" for "everyone" and by "everyone" they mean them and by "what's best" they mean control of the money.

derp derp derp.
 
2012-12-29 08:03:38 AM
randomjsa,

Sometimes your comments are reasonable, sometimes they are just off the chart. Can you explain more?
 
2012-12-29 08:03:59 AM

ShannonKW: I wouldn't mind requiring all Internet users to post their name rather than some asinine logon. Anonymity is the cover that encourages most of the punks on the Internet to shiat all over everyone and everything. Requiring people to own what they say is not a restriction on freedom of speech.

China does not guarantee freedom of speech to their citizens, nor so far as I know they don't even make a pretense of it. If you're interested in the rights of the Chinese, this is the problem you should be complaining about.


Indeed, in the entire history of what we call "the Chinese people", there has never been a high regard for any notion of freedom. Order tends to be the defining word in the culture much moreso than freedom.

So I'm not sure why anyone should be wringing their hands over this move by the PRC.
 
2012-12-29 08:04:37 AM

ArkAngel: Mike_LowELL: Good.  I'm sick of trolls who hide behind fictitious personalities and spew garbage.  I can say this, since I am the head of a multi-billion dollar corporation and you are all poor and smelly liberals.  Lol.  Get stenched, nerds.

You're probably trolling, but you do realize that this is being done so that it'll be easier for corrupt government officials to retaliate against people who expose their crimes don't you?


It's Mike_LowELL, you will learn to love him.
 
2012-12-29 08:08:26 AM
People think that we have anonymity on the Internet?
That's amusing.
 
2012-12-29 08:08:59 AM

Nadnerbus: So, if a Chinese registry of internet users is a precursor to a crack down on free speech, what is a Fienstien gun ban that requires owners of legally purchased and owned weapons to register them?



What? How DARE you?

Guns are bad and Fienstien is good and you're a booger face!
 
2012-12-29 08:18:19 AM

tortilla burger: China is and always will be a shiathole until they fix this infatuation with controlling the internet authoritarianism.



Coming soon to a theater near you, America.
 
2012-12-29 08:19:51 AM
I'll be a lot of them will give the Wong name.
 
2012-12-29 08:20:05 AM

Nadnerbus: So, if a Chinese registry of internet users is a precursor to a crack down on free speech, what is a Fienstien gun ban that requires owners of legally purchased and owned weapons to register them?


Wowsers.
It's too early for such deep thoughts.

/getting more coffee.
//no snark intended.
 
2012-12-29 08:24:04 AM

MadSkillz: What is it about Communist (at least in name) governments that they're so farking insecure about keeping their people in line?


That kind of shiat has been going on in China since before the first Emperor. In China, at least, it's nothing to do with Communism. It's all about a well-ordered society with the government (of whatever type) securely on top.
 
2012-12-29 08:24:43 AM
So this means the Chinese hackers will have to register before they steal all of our corporate secrets? ...
no wait we have all of our stuff made there so they already have all those important files.... The American corporate penis is so much larger they have nothing to fear....Stupid corporate farks
 
2012-12-29 08:25:55 AM
Didn't some legislator in Kentucky try to pass a bill that would have made it illegal to post anonymously on the internet?
 
2012-12-29 08:28:14 AM

ShannonKW: I wouldn't mind requiring all Internet users to post their name rather than some asinine logon. Anonymity is the cover that encourages most of the punks on the Internet to shiat all over everyone and everything.


Because if you knew my real name you would do what? Track me down and berate me for mocking you?
 
2012-12-29 08:30:44 AM

0Icky0: ShannonKW: I wouldn't mind requiring all Internet users to post their name rather than some asinine logon. Anonymity is the cover that encourages most of the punks on the Internet to shiat all over everyone and everything.

Because if you knew my real name you would do what? Track me down and berate me for mocking you?


No, I mock you now.

/we mock what we don't understand

//obscure?
 
2012-12-29 08:31:51 AM

way south: Bomb Head Mohammed: way south: The Chinese can do whatever the Chinese want so long as the crazy stays on their side of the line.

was the holocaust ok too as long as that moustachiod fella kept it on his side of the pond?

When compared to the atrocities of equal or greater value we passed up on stopping?
Some would (and did) say it was ok to ignore, but fortunately there were other reasons we got involved in that war.

/You might recall the German bombing of Pearl Harbor.


No, no, NO!

You got it all bass-ackwards. It was a Nazi U-boat that torpedoed the Maine, in the Bay of Pigs.
 
2012-12-29 08:45:10 AM

Lost_in_Korea: Amazing! Korea just went the opposite way this year. You used to have to have a Korean ID number to access a number of web sites or make comments. They just eliminated that requirement about 6 months ago.


They probably gave up when they realized all the ID numbers were registered to someone named Kim.
 
2012-12-29 08:45:38 AM
Good!

The single greatest enemy of progress is questions.

Free speech is bad, M'kay.
 
2012-12-29 08:50:29 AM
The people of China may not have free speech, but at least they don't have to worry about their government taking their guns away.
 
2012-12-29 08:57:50 AM
About time the Government did something about this. They should cut down on those 8 hours away from the factory too, clearly they have too much personal time if they're badmouthing the government. Get back to work and be happy you have a job.... as many Americans are out of work, and can't afford things like multiple iPads and new sneakers.... while you rail against making $1.70/month.
 
2012-12-29 09:04:53 AM
What's Chinese for "Weedlord Bonerhitler?"
 
2012-12-29 09:07:07 AM

0Icky0: ShannonKW: I wouldn't mind requiring all Internet users to post their name rather than some asinine logon. Anonymity is the cover that encourages most of the punks on the Internet to shiat all over everyone and everything.

Because if you knew my real name you would do what? Track me down and berate me for mocking you?


Being able to positively identify Internet users has more practical merits than enabling a personal game of name calling. There are plenty of examples of this in business, government, and academia. My university, for example, has a closed message board to which only faculty members may post. It's damn civil and to the the point, as you can imagine, because anyone who let his inner adolescent guide him to post worthless, offensive shiate would find himself on the carpet answering for it, just as much as if he had said it in person.

It's worth noting that you do not have the right to buttonhole your department head in a corridor and call him a reeking, syphilitic twat. Or, to be tedious, you do have that right -- while he has the corresponding right to have security pitch your ass out on the sidewalk with the contents of your desk tossed out after you. It is because we will be held to account for the things we say that we are encouraged to be civil and truthful, and for many of us this is the only thing that keeps us from from turning our daily society into a sordid shiat-flinging match resembling the Politics tab.
 
2012-12-29 09:15:11 AM
Ching Chong Bing Bong?
 
2012-12-29 09:31:57 AM

hitlersbrain: way south: The Chinese can do whatever the Chinese want so long as the crazy stays on their side of the line.
What scares me is people like Feinstein and company take notes from them because these things sound like good ideas in their warped little minds.

/mark my words, registration is coming this way too.
/its gonna be part of some "save the children" act that sneaks through before a holiday.

Umm... Patriot Act?

It's been stated pretty well on this thread already but ALL people with power will eventually become paranoid and want to take away people's rights.


A perfect example of what can go wrong.
Question is now to get those kinds of people out of power once they get too clingy about their office before they write these kinds of laws.
Because even when they are ejected by vote, they leave behind nasty little things like that.

SpeedyBB: way south: Bomb Head Mohammed: way south: The Chinese can do whatever the Chinese want so long as the crazy stays on their side of the line.

was the holocaust ok too as long as that moustachiod fella kept it on his side of the pond?

When compared to the atrocities of equal or greater value we passed up on stopping?
Some would (and did) say it was ok to ignore, but fortunately there were other reasons we got involved in that war.

/You might recall the German bombing of Pearl Harbor.

No, no, NO!

You got it all bass-ackwards. It was a Nazi U-boat that torpedoed the Maine, in the Bay of Pigs.


That was only in retaliation for John Wilkes Boothe shooting the Arch-duke in Dealy plaza.
 
2012-12-29 09:33:36 AM

ShannonKW: There are plenty of examples of this in business, government, and academia. My university, for example, has a closed message board to which only faculty members may post. It's damn civil and to the the point, as you can imagine,


I can well imagine.
But what I can't imagine is how this has any relationship to the world-wide Internet.
 
2012-12-29 09:35:56 AM
The measure will 'ensure internet information security, safeguard the lawful rights and interests of citizens, legal entities or other organizations and safeguard national security and social public interests,' according to the official Xinhua News Agency.


/um....yaaa...and i have some swampland for you to buy, cheap.
 
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