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2012-12-29 12:34:28 AM

Karma Curmudgeon: It's never been about the money for me.


It's about sending a message?
 
2012-12-29 12:38:10 AM

BarkingUnicorn: You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.


wrong. this happened to a client of mine.

i don't know where you get your information from, it is not correct.
 
2012-12-29 12:40:38 AM

Tentacle: Karma Curmudgeon: It's never been about the money for me.

It's about sending a message?


Everyone sues?
 
2012-12-29 12:41:28 AM

iron_city_ap: So... the insemination wasn't performed by a licensed physician... Turkey baster or old fashioned way?


Sounds like a turkey baster case or if she was a real true honest lesbian the would of used an eye dropper but little do we know how profitable the human insemination business is.
 
2012-12-29 12:46:00 AM

xcv: It's not a simple contract between two individuals when the state gets involved.

Otherwise men can sign away all financial responsibility for child support and let the state pick up tab for their children.


Of course I meant a joint contract before contraception. Hell, ideally if a single mom wants to be a single mom(and the male is gone/absent as in this case), paternity should never be sought, or granted down the road to a suddenly sentimental father. Screw him for taking off.

And I'm saying it should be that simple(i know, shiat in one hand and wish into the other...), I understand that it's not. Between gay marriage and guardianship laws, and old fashioned moral values sought out by the state, it's obviously not the case.

IMO, there are some area's of the law that need to be rebuilt from the ground up, and then swapped in for what we have now.
 
2012-12-29 12:54:06 AM

ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.

wrong. this happened to a client of mine.

i don't know where you get your information from, it is not correct.


Probably from another State and another time.  AFDC was abolished in 1996, replaced by TANF.
 
2012-12-29 12:57:31 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.


That's would buy an awful lot of flannel shirts
 
2012-12-29 01:08:20 AM

BarkingUnicorn: ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.

wrong. this happened to a client of mine.

i don't know where you get your information from, it is not correct.

Probably from another State and another time.  AFDC was abolished in 1996, replaced by TANF.


i'll grant you that. i gathered from the way you wrote your response ("the state cannot collect more than the state has spent on the child" -- obviously untrue) that you were speaking off the cuff, describing what seemed correct to you, rather than basing your response on personal knowledge.

here's more info -- my client was the father, mom had three kids and only one was his. never married, never together. to get AFDC, mom had to sign over her right to collect child support on behalf of her children. the way AFDC was calculated in that state at that time, mom would get, say, $300 for one kid, $350 for two kids, $375 for three kids -- you get the idea. i'm guesstimating those amounts, but the principal stands, it's wasn't a simple matter to say how much the state was paying for my client's kid. however, my guy had fallen into a really good-paying job so that put his support obligation *way* above $375/month (to continue using those numbers). legally i could show that the child was entitled to the entire amount that dad owed, but since the state was collecting from him, i had no way to compel the state to pay the overage.

that's the real problem i was alluding to -- regardless of what the law says (an in my case, it said nothing), the state has a vested interest in double-dipping. these cases are actually pretty rare, since many absentee dads of kids on welfare do not make tons of prove-able income...but it still sucks.
 
2012-12-29 01:10:52 AM

epoch_destroi: Nice to see a bunch of people who couldn't be bothered to read the article assume that the women are pinching him for money, rather than the state pursuing him despite the women telling the state about the contract.


it surprises me how many there are. is reading comprehension a lost art now?
 
2012-12-29 01:24:07 AM

ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.

wrong. this happened to a client of mine.

i don't know where you get your information from, it is not correct.

Probably from another State and another time.  AFDC was abolished in 1996, replaced by TANF.

i'll grant you that. i gathered from the way you wrote your response ("the state cannot collect more than the state has spent on the child" -- obviously untrue) that you were speaking off the cuff, describing what seemed correct to you, rather than basing your response on personal knowledge.

here's more info -- my client was the father, mom had three kids and only one was his. never married, never together. to get AFDC, mom had to sign over her right to collect child support on behalf of her children. the way AFDC was calculated in that state at that time, mom would get, say, $300 for one kid, $350 for two kids, $375 for three kids -- you get the idea. i'm guesstimating those amounts, but the principal stands, it's wasn't a simple matter to say how much the state was paying for my client's kid. however, my guy had fallen into a really good-paying job so that put his support obligation *way* above $375/month (to continue using those numbers). legally i could show that the child was entitled to the entire amount that dad owed, but since the state was collecting from him, i had no way to compel the state to pay the overage.

that's the real problem i was alluding to -- regardless of what the law says (an in my case, it said nothing), the state has a vested interest in double-dipping. these cases are actually pretty rare, since many absentee dads of kids on welfare do not make tons of prove-able income...but it still sucks.


Well, whatever State that was, it certainly sucked.
 
2012-12-29 01:30:59 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Well, whatever State that was, it certainly sucked.


at last, we agree. :)

i won't say the name of the state, but it rhymes with touisiana.
 
2012-12-29 01:36:55 AM
Guys need to remember this: States are not interested in what is fair or morally right for paternity. They are interested in finding a daddy so that they don't have to be the ones picking up the tab. Don't rely on contracts or anything else, because they won't do shiat, the state doesn't care. They want to find a daddy to pay.

Don't donate your DNA to make a child, except possibly anonymously (and check before you do that), if you aren't ready to support said child. Because if the mother decides she is unwilling or unable to support the child on her own, they'll come after you, because they don't want to pay.
 
2012-12-29 01:38:29 AM

Kiwimann: From a logical standpoint, this is why I avoid Craigslist. Too many deals which have little to no protection under the law.


Same here. I stick to eBay for sperm swaps.
 
2012-12-29 01:43:21 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: sounds like these lesbians had a plan.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-29 01:48:54 AM
From the Comments:

The Old Guy 12/28/12 - 06:15 pm

How Did the Kansas Department of Families and Childern

Get involved and they are tried find someone to do what the Deparment is oppose to do.


Ahhh, Kansas...
 
2012-12-29 01:51:15 AM

sycraft: Don't rely on contracts or anything else, because they won't do shiat, the state doesn't care. They want to find a daddy to pay.


I have an official adoption release processed by the state. It's official, I am not a parent.
 
2012-12-29 01:51:37 AM
She could have said she didn't know who the father was because she had few one night stands, and can't remember their names.
Problem solved.
 
2012-12-29 01:53:10 AM

sycraft: Guys need to remember this: States are not interested in what is fair or morally right for paternity. They are interested in finding a daddy so that they don't have to be the ones picking up the tab. Don't rely on contracts or anything else, because they won't do shiat, the state doesn't care. They want to find a daddy to pay.

Don't donate your DNA to make a child, except possibly anonymously (and check before you do that), if you aren't ready to support said child. Because if the mother decides she is unwilling or unable to support the child on her own, they'll come after you, because they don't want to pay.


The Kansas statute referenced in TFA grants a sperm donor "immunity from paternity" if he provides his sperm to a licensed physician for the purpose of artificial insemination.  All you have to do is consult the law and follow it.

Hm... which State's law?  The one in which you donate, the one in which the woman is inseminated, the one in which the child is born, or the one which spends money on your child? (sigh)  Often, I think we have 49 States too many.
 
2012-12-29 02:06:25 AM
Me and Mrs. Drongo probably won't ever have kids; we're not that interested in it....from a genetic point of view I have no major urge to reproduce, but I'm comfortable with the notion of helping out a childless couple if I could.
I seriously considered donating to a lesbian couple I know (well, the intended surrogate is bi, and hot too, but it'd all be a turkey baster and cup, sadly). Absolutely is not going to happen due to the stupid laws about sperm donation and anonymity in the UK.
 
2012-12-29 02:09:50 AM

Wizard Drongo: Me and Mrs. Drongo probably won't ever have kids; we're not that interested in it....from a genetic point of view I have no major urge to reproduce, but I'm comfortable with the notion of helping out a childless couple if I could.
I seriously considered donating to a lesbian couple I know (well, the intended surrogate is bi, and hot too, but it'd all be a turkey baster and cup, sadly). Absolutely is not going to happen due to the stupid laws about sperm donation and anonymity in the UK.


Well, WTF are the stupid laws?

/turkey baster would have busted the deal for me
 
2012-12-29 02:13:02 AM
i1172.photobucket.com

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.
 
2012-12-29 02:15:48 AM

lohphat: I have an official adoption release processed by the state. It's official, I am not a parent.


What the state giveith, it can taketh away.
 
2012-12-29 02:26:29 AM
No good seed goes unpunished.
 
2012-12-29 02:29:21 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: No good seed goes unpunished.


I think that just about wraps it up.
 
2012-12-29 02:42:24 AM
A wrap might have better.
 
2012-12-29 02:48:57 AM
 
2012-12-29 02:50:27 AM

Maestro's Girl: She could have said she didn't know who the father was because she had few one night stands, and can't remember their names.
Problem solved.


Problem is it would be a lie, one that she could be caught in. Making false statements in an application for state benefits/aid? No no no. Big no.

TFA makes it sound like there are other kids in the lesbians' home, also on Medicaid, either in foster care or the adoption process. Losing the goodwill of their social worker? OHN. If these ladies are ethical people at all, they should do everything possible to make sperm donor guy whole later. But for now? Telling a fib doesn't sound like an option.
 
2012-12-29 02:55:08 AM
if only there were some gay rights special interest group who would either pay the donor's legal fees or just pony up the cash that the state wants.
 
2012-12-29 03:09:51 AM

DeathCipris: FTFA: "Marotta and the women, Topekans Angela Bauer and Jennifer Schreiner, signed an agreement holding him harmless for support of the child, a daughter Schreiner bore after being artificially inseminated."

Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.


The state is going after him. He had no written agreement with the government.
 
2012-12-29 03:30:22 AM
The moral of the story is: never give your spunk to lesbians.

Seriously, there are so many orphans in the system that need a good home. That's blindingly obvious. If lesbians are trolling Craigslist for sperm then they are most certainly not stable enough or rational enough to create a human life with. Run away!
 
2012-12-29 03:32:44 AM

ringo2: I don't think the lesbian couple planned this ahead of time, but I'm wondering what happened to their relationship?


They probably thought having a baby together would save their relationship.

Selfish idiots.
 
2012-12-29 03:35:55 AM

E5bie: If these ladies are ethical people at all, they should do everything possible to make sperm donor guy whole later.


That might be a possibility for him, depending on how the contract was written.  TFA says they agreed to "hold him harmless."  He may be able to sue both ladies for whatever he ends up out of pocket.  Or maybe not the mother; court might well rule that would take money from the child.  But if both ladies signed the contract, the non-mother could be liable for damages.
 
2012-12-29 03:48:43 AM

Max Awesome: The moral of the story is: never give your spunk to lesbians.

Seriously, there are so many orphans in the system that need a good home. That's blindingly obvious. If lesbians are trolling Craigslist for sperm then they are most certainly not stable enough or rational enough to create a human life with. Run away! Use a pseudonym!

 
2012-12-29 03:51:00 AM

fusillade762: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.


I was going to ask about that. The graphic itself didn't even look right, not to mention it's not a "real" cite, just a graphic that could have been pulled off of a christian blog.(that's what I assumed anyhow).

The text of the post is about right, male or female, we're all a revenue source for the state, but traditionally, the male has a disadvantage in such cases.
 
2012-12-29 04:40:14 AM

fusillade762: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.

the study doesn't document the failure of same-sex marriage. It documents the failure of the closeted, broken, and unstable households that preceded same-sex marriage.

...the entire sample was born between 1971 and 1994, when same-sex marriage was illegal throughout the United States, and millions of homosexuals were trying to pass or function as straight spouses...

In short, these people aren't the products of same-sex households. They're the products of broken homes.


Thanks for that link. It shows just how dodgy the graphic put up by GF is. Whoever put that set of stats together while pretending that it was about real gay couples raising kids and not largely people cheating on their partners with other same-sex partners has got agendas up the arse. Probably in a "no, there's nothing gay about me putting a 13-inch black rubber agenda up my arse" kind of way.

Meanwhile, my two cents about the actual article is it's wrong, but that's bound to happen if you get into these situations without doing the correct legal/medical research. Shame on those Farkers claiming that this is because the lesbian couple are behind the legal action, and shame on the lesbian couple for naming the sperm donor to authorities and not just claiming it was all a first-names-only Craigslist arrangement.
 
2012-12-29 05:03:29 AM

Seasons I'v Withered: Which one of you farks outted ME!

For shame
You'll get yours one thread ,You'll see


promises, promises. Mrs.Kritter hasn't massaged the old wingwang in some ten years. you stop by and give me mine anytime you're up to it, butch.

/ i like it when you slap my ass & pull my hair, hint-hint
 
2012-12-29 05:26:25 AM
I was asked to be a donor to my ex-wife and her girlfriend (long story) and seriously considered doing it, but I ended up saying no -- partially out of fear of something like this.
 
2012-12-29 05:35:11 AM
Lesson of the Story:

If your sperm is going inside a woman, make sure your penis is penetrating her somehow.
 
2012-12-29 06:21:24 AM
So women who donate eggs should be chased for child support?
 
2012-12-29 06:45:39 AM

dready zim: So women who donate eggs should be chased for child support?


Good try, but no win. The mother is the woman who's uterus was the kid's first home. The origins of eggs have nothing to do with it. From the comments here by farkers with more legal knowledge than me, the sperm donor WOULD have been equally immune had he gone through a doctor, but it appears this was not the case here. Simply, any egg donor is obviously going through a doctor because a turkey baster or more traditional methods would not work in such an instance; surgery is required.
 
2012-12-29 07:19:28 AM

fredbox: Yep, he's hosed. Gentlemen, please remember, vasectomies are cheap and convenient, relative to the alternative.


How about not masturbating for lesbians? That's even more convenient.
 
2012-12-29 07:26:41 AM

Aussie_As: fusillade762: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.

the study doesn't document the failure of same-sex marriage. It documents the failure of the closeted, broken, and unstable households that preceded same-sex marriage.

...the entire sample was born between 1971 and 1994, when same-sex marriage was illegal throughout the United States, and millions of homosexuals were trying to pass or function as straight spouses...

In short, these people aren't the products of same-sex households. They're the products of broken homes.

Thanks for that link. It shows just how dodgy the graphic put up by GF is. Whoever put that set of stats together while pretending that it was about real gay couples raising kids and not largely people cheating on their partners with other same-sex partners has got agendas up the arse. Probably in a "no, there's nothing gay about me putting a 13-inch black rubber agenda up my arse" kind of way.


I try to avoid ad hominem attacks, but I will freely attack Mark Regnerus for having no knowledge of how to set up a research study, and I will treat the results of any of his future studies as garbage until I have the opportunity to pick through the methodology with a fine-toothed comb myself.

/the same rules apply to John Lott
 
2012-12-29 07:59:24 AM

hbk72777: What_Would_Jimi_Do: these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.

That's would buy an awful lot of flannel shirts


And Suburus.
 
2012-12-29 08:13:38 AM

John Redcorn: hbk72777: What_Would_Jimi_Do: these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.

That's would buy an awful lot of flannel shirts

And Suburus.


i imagined a japanese person saying suburu
 
2012-12-29 08:16:49 AM
Max Awesome:
"Seriously, there are so many orphans in the system that need a good home. That's blindingly obvious."

Uh, no. That's not obvious (or true) at all.
 
2012-12-29 08:18:05 AM

John Redcorn: hbk72777: What_Would_Jimi_Do: these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.

That's would buy an awful lot of flannel shirts

And Suburus.


Funny but unfair. It's the state pursuing the lawsuit. So the correct answer is it buys a bunch of consultants to educate public servants on the perils of work-station based injuries or it buys a bunch of temp workers to do the work of the public servants while they bludge off (I know that one is true - I had a stable job as one of those temp workers right up until my own state government ran out of money and I had to find a private sector job).
 
2012-12-29 08:22:24 AM
Fusillade762:
GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.

the study doesn't document the failure of same-sex marriage. It documents the failure of the closeted, broken, and unstable households that preceded same-sex marriage."

Thank you for that link. I was wondering where such skewed stats would have come from. Clearly, an example of severe bias masquerading as science.
 
2012-12-29 09:28:49 AM
Do not put your dick (or your turkey baster) in crazy.

Lesbian couples posting on Craig's List looking for sperm donors is just a giant fuzzy ball of crazy.

s13.postimage.org
 
2012-12-29 11:06:29 AM

clyph: lohphat: I have an official adoption release processed by the state. It's official, I am not a parent.

What the state giveith, it can taketh away.


Which can be said of anything. I choose not to live in fear of what the State can or might do, I get on with life.
 
2012-12-29 12:08:49 PM

fusillade762: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.

the study doesn't document the failure of same-sex marriage. It documents the failure of the closeted, broken, and unstable households that preceded same-sex marriage.

...the entire sample was born between 1971 and 1994, when same-sex marriage was illegal throughout the United States, and millions of homosexuals were trying to pass or function as straight spouses...

In short, these people aren't the products of same-sex households. They're the products of broken homes.


take a wild guess as to the percentage of lesbians who end up in divorce and create broken homes. to help you out i will let you know that over 80% of divorces are initiated by a the woman in a normal marriage.

Link
 
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