Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Topeka Capital-Journal)   Sometimes, it just doesn't pay to masturbate for money from strangers you meet on Craigslist   (cjonline.com ) divider line
    More: Weird, Craigslist, Topeka, William Marotta, cash assistance, court cases, Department of Children, foster children, blood donors  
•       •       •

19035 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Dec 2012 at 10:20 PM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



158 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2012-12-28 07:46:18 PM  
Speak for yourself, subby. When I masturbate for strange lesbians EVERYBODY wins.
 
2012-12-28 07:51:00 PM  
Especially in Kansas, apparently.
 
2012-12-28 08:06:13 PM  
I seem to remember a TFer who posted a thread saying he was doing this for a lesbian couple. Hmm.
 
2012-12-28 08:35:30 PM  
So sometimes it pays?
 
2012-12-28 08:37:24 PM  
And the article is from CJ Online.  How fitting.
 
2012-12-28 08:42:52 PM  
i1079.photobucket.com
Sometimes it does...
 
2012-12-28 08:53:55 PM  
Schroller said that after consulting with his wife, Marotta decided to donate free of charge rather than taking the $50.


Amature move.
 
2012-12-28 08:54:39 PM  
Amuture....
 
2012-12-28 08:54:52 PM  

Dallymo: And the article is from CJ Online.  How fitting.


Dammit! Too slow ...
 
2012-12-28 10:25:01 PM  
Never trust teh gheys.
 
2012-12-28 10:25:53 PM  

JerkyMeat: Schroller said that after consulting with his wife, Marotta decided to donate free of charge rather than taking the $50.


Amature move.


This may actually be his biggest problem. Not accepting any money makes it a whole different transaction, and could possibly invalidate the contract. That's what the lesbians are betting on, anyway.

Based on the contract terms quoted in the article, I can't imagine a court giving them the win, but stranger things have happened.
 
2012-12-28 10:28:10 PM  
Could have been worse. They could have been trick rolled...

Link
 
2012-12-28 10:29:23 PM  

JerkyMeat: Amuture....


Did I miss this one? Is it like "vodak" and "moran" and everything else the cool kids spell their own way?
 
2012-12-28 10:29:38 PM  

JerkyMeat: Amuture....


GAH.. Spelling misteaks are SO ANNOYING. Amatuer!
 
2012-12-28 10:30:10 PM  

xant: JerkyMeat: Schroller said that after consulting with his wife, Marotta decided to donate free of charge rather than taking the $50.


Amature move.

This may actually be his biggest problem. Not accepting any money makes it a whole different transaction, and could possibly invalidate the contract. That's what the lesbians are betting on, anyway.

Based on the contract terms quoted in the article, I can't imagine a court giving them the win, but stranger things have happened.


Doesn't exactly seem like the lesbians are the ones pushing the suit.
 
2012-12-28 10:30:24 PM  
Well damn. There go my career aspirations.
 
2012-12-28 10:30:51 PM  
if it is his sperm, he is technically the father but also shouldn't be on the baby's birth certificate as father.

Donor. sounds like these lesbians had a plan. he shouldn't be responsible for a dime.

these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.
 
2012-12-28 10:31:08 PM  

xant: JerkyMeat: Schroller said that after consulting with his wife, Marotta decided to donate free of charge rather than taking the $50.


Amature move.

This may actually be his biggest problem. Not accepting any money makes it a whole different transaction, and could possibly invalidate the contract. That's what the lesbians are betting on, anyway.

Based on the contract terms quoted in the article, I can't imagine a court giving them the win, but stranger things have happened.


Actually, he was probably screwed either way. Family courts can and do set aside private contracts if they deem it in the best interest of the child.
 
2012-12-28 10:31:19 PM  
Which one of you farks outted ME!

For shame
You'll get yours one thread ,You'll see
 
2012-12-28 10:32:15 PM  
What's in our wallet?
Couch cushions?
Keyboard?
Turkey baster?
 
2012-12-28 10:32:29 PM  

xant: JerkyMeat: Schroller said that after consulting with his wife, Marotta decided to donate free of charge rather than taking the $50.


Amature move.

This may actually be his biggest problem. Not accepting any money makes it a whole different transaction, and could possibly invalidate the contract. That's what the lesbians are betting on, anyway.

Based on the contract terms quoted in the article, I can't imagine a court giving them the win, but stranger things have happened.


It doesn't sound like the lesbians are actually seeking support, the state is, because one of the lesbians went on public assistance for a spell, and the state doesn't give a shiat, they'll stick anybody they can with the bill, whether it's right or not.
 
2012-12-28 10:32:53 PM  
So... the insemination wasn't performed by a licensed physician... Turkey baster or old fashioned way?
 
2012-12-28 10:33:39 PM  
Yep, he's hosed. Gentlemen, please remember, vasectomies are cheap and convenient, relative to the alternative.
 
2012-12-28 10:34:37 PM  
Even lesbians need a man.
 
2012-12-28 10:35:16 PM  
Hmmm this sounds like the sort of case that would cause men to avoid being a sperm donor.
 
2012-12-28 10:35:47 PM  
It's never been about the money for me.
 
2012-12-28 10:37:17 PM  
I don't think the lesbian couple planned this ahead of time, but I'm wondering what happened to their relationship? Given that much of the cost to the state seems to be medical care for the child, there is more of a story here.

In general, birth certificates need a space for the biological parents (perhaps anonymized) and the legal parents (and perhaps the gestational parent). This problem is only going to get worse, for several different reasons.
 
2012-12-28 10:37:19 PM  

make me some tea: I seem to remember a TFer who posted a thread saying he was doing this for a lesbian couple. Hmm.


I've posted in a thread that I have, but I have not posted a thread about it.
 
2012-12-28 10:38:20 PM  
Why would the mother tell the state who the father is? Just say it was a one night stand, what are they going to do?
 
2012-12-28 10:38:44 PM  
He should make it interesting and sue for custody.
 
2012-12-28 10:39:12 PM  

iron_city_ap: So... the insemination wasn't performed by a licensed physician... Turkey baster or old fashioned way?


First thing I thought of when I read that part was "holy hell, they used a turkey baster".
 
2012-12-28 10:40:50 PM  
A decent lawyer will be expensive, but should be able to quash this suit lickety-split.
 
2012-12-28 10:40:53 PM  
No price could ever be set for my sock.
 
2012-12-28 10:41:25 PM  
SIgh. I can't give it way on Seventh Avenue.
 
2012-12-28 10:42:23 PM  
FTFA: "Marotta and the women, Topekans Angela Bauer and Jennifer Schreiner, signed an agreement holding him harmless for support of the child, a daughter Schreiner bore after being artificially inseminated."

Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.
 
2012-12-28 10:43:18 PM  
Lesbians being double-crossing biatches?

www.funnydictionary.com
 
2012-12-28 10:43:48 PM  
Oh jeeez.
 
2012-12-28 10:45:23 PM  
If you stand perfectly still, lesbians can't see you cumming.
 
2012-12-28 10:45:58 PM  

DeathCipris: FTFA: "Marotta and the women, Topekans Angela Bauer and Jennifer Schreiner, signed an agreement holding him harmless for support of the child, a daughter Schreiner bore after being artificially inseminated."

Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.


You obviously have no idea the lengths the state will go to find a penis-bearer to screw child support payments upon.

/not afflicted myself, but have heard the plights of many
//not the first time an "anonymous" sperm donor has been found liable for fatherhood
 
Oak
2012-12-28 10:50:08 PM  

John Redcorn: Never trust teh gheys government.


FTFY
 
2012-12-28 10:50:30 PM  
" WE are going to have a perfect baby who will have TWO mommies and we don't need any MAN except for the sperm which we can just PURCHASE and, uh, you know, all the money we'll need to raise it. From him. Cause, um, it's his sperm." I don't if anybody that childish, self-involved or borderline sociopathic should be in charge of a child.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:15 PM  
Always use a 3rd party and always use a physician as the 3rd party
 
2012-12-28 10:51:56 PM  
Here's another good reason why gay marriage should be legal.  Assuming that the couple has split, then the state could seek its pound of flesh from the mother's wife instead of the innocent dude who stupidly, naively thought he was doing a good deed by spanking it into a cup.

There are enough of these stories going around that men should just automatically assume that they will be held responsible for any child that they have any part in creating, at some point in the future.  The state doesn't care about the circumstances, it only cares about paying as little as possible for the welfare of children.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:58 PM  

Sgeo: Doesn't exactly seem like the lesbians are the ones pushing the suit.


They are not. The state will seek to get your money whether it was requested by anyone or not.

/knows from experience
 
2012-12-28 10:52:51 PM  

Vitamin Pb: SIgh. I can't give it way on Seventh Avenue.


But Madison?
 
2012-12-28 10:53:38 PM  
And yeah, they signed off on support and all, but are they fighting this?
 
2012-12-28 10:54:36 PM  

bunner: I don't if anybody that childish, self-involved or borderline sociopathic should be in charge of a child.

I now tons of lesbinems that did just that.
/By tons, I mean three.
//but put them all on a bridge and you have a code violation.
///Live in VT. Drive a Subaru. High resale value to a greater demographic.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:03 PM  

MrHappyRotter: If you stand perfectly still, lesbians can't see you cumming.


This is actually not true. Fortunately, I was operating under an alias.

\Long story
 
2012-12-28 10:55:19 PM  

Gergesa: Hmmm this sounds like the sort of case that would cause men to avoid being a sperm donor.


It's ok
 
2012-12-28 10:55:58 PM  
Let a bull do it?
 
2012-12-28 10:56:06 PM  

DeathCipris: Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.

 
As I understand it, child support is owed to the child for the benefit of the child, not the parent. The parent has no standing to waive it.


I believe I've heard of a number of cases like this over the years, all of which seemingly amount to "people trying to do something important and life-changing without consulting an attorney before signing their life away on the back of a napkin".
 
2012-12-28 10:56:48 PM  
Nice to see a bunch of people who couldn't be bothered to read the article assume that the women are pinching him for money, rather than the state pursuing him despite the women telling the state about the contract.
 
2012-12-28 10:57:35 PM  

ThunderPelvis: Here's another good reason why gay marriage should be legal. Assuming that the couple has split, then the state could seek its pound of flesh from the mother's wife


Fairly certain there are one or two guys out there paying child support to a woman they were never married to.
 
2012-12-28 11:00:20 PM  

epoch_destroi: Nice to see a bunch of people who couldn't be bothered to read the article assume that the women are pinching him for money, rather than the state pursuing him despite the women telling the state about the contract.


This. The state can't handle that gays can be happy
 
2012-12-28 11:02:18 PM  

TomD9938: Fairly certain there are one or two guys out there paying child support to a woman they were never married to.


Or never impregnated.
pops like pop music
 
2012-12-28 11:03:30 PM  

lohphat: make me some tea: I seem to remember a TFer who posted a thread saying he was doing this for a lesbian couple. Hmm.

I've posted in a thread that I have, but I have not posted a thread about it.


No it was someone else. I think he's gay to boot.
 
2012-12-28 11:05:12 PM  

epoch_destroi: Nice to see a bunch of people who couldn't be bothered to read the article assume that the women are pinching him for money, rather than the state pursuing him despite the women telling the state about the contract.


Seems people understand this. What the women want matters not though.

It underlines the fact that the state doesnt give a fark about the mother playing house with somebody that didnt have dick to do with the childs existence.

Once the mother went on welfare... that kid was his.
 
2012-12-28 11:05:21 PM  

DeathCipris: FTFA: "Marotta and the women, Topekans Angela Bauer and Jennifer Schreiner, signed an agreement holding him harmless for support of the child, a daughter Schreiner bore after being artificially inseminated."

Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.


The state is the one pushing it. Being a Republican run state you already know he's going to be bent over to avoid the state having to pay for it.
 
2012-12-28 11:06:30 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-28 11:06:43 PM  

Gergesa: Hmmm this sounds like the sort of case that would cause men to avoid being a sperm donor.


Not really. If you donate to a sperm bank or do the donation in a clinic you will be fine. If you try to cut out the sperm bank or clinic and lawyers, you will probably get screwed down the line. There are procedures to protect if you want to do this type of stuff, follow those procedures.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:08 PM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: if it is his sperm, he is technically the father but also shouldn't be on the baby's birth certificate as father.

Donor. sounds like these lesbians had a plan. he shouldn't be responsible for a dime.

these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.



You are wrong on all levels.

He is certainly the father and someone other than the state has to pay. It's always been that way.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:27 PM  

freewill: DeathCipris: Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.

As I understand it, child support is owed to the child for the benefit of the child, not the parent. The parent has no standing to waive it.


I believe I've heard of a number of cases like this over the years, all of which seemingly amount to "people trying to do something important and life-changing without consulting an attorney before signing their life away on the back of a napkin".


And yet he was a donor. I would have to wonder if the laws for sperm donation would apply instead. This is a very, very, very nasty can of worms they are opening.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:57 PM  
This is why they should have just blended fifty or so donations together so they could say they don't know who the dad is.
 
2012-12-28 11:09:33 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Always use a 3rd party and always use a physician as the 3rd party


Too expensive. $5K a sample and a 5 sample minimum is common.

You can have a legal donation but you have to do your homework and have a contract and adoption paperwork at the ready. Also, if you're not prepared for the rare situation where you would have to care for the child, then don't do it.

I have the resulting child and her older sister whom I did not donate for in my will. I'm lucky that I'm part of their lives and their parents want me to be, including my parents who would not have grandchildren if not for this situation. Up to this point, I'm just the really cool "uncle".

So far, it's been a win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win for all involved.
 
2012-12-28 11:17:31 PM  
Why did he give them his name? If they just wanted sperm it's there from just about any red-blooded man.
 
2012-12-28 11:18:52 PM  
I've spanked it with two girls and one cup.
 
2012-12-28 11:20:37 PM  
How much jiz would a jiz giver give if a jiz giver could give jiz?
 
2012-12-28 11:21:20 PM  

TomD9938: ThunderPelvis: Here's another good reason why gay marriage should be legal. Assuming that the couple has split, then the state could seek its pound of flesh from the mother's wife

Fairly certain there are one or two guys out there paying child support to a woman they were never married to.


Fair point, but in those cases the men are (almost always) biologically related to the child.  Legally, the state would have a much harder time going after an ex-partner than a biological parent.
 
2012-12-28 11:22:53 PM  
A very sticky situation for this Good Samaritan. So unfair.
 
2012-12-28 11:23:42 PM  

PunGent: xant: JerkyMeat: Schroller said that after consulting with his wife, Marotta decided to donate free of charge rather than taking the $50.


Amature move.

This may actually be his biggest problem. Not accepting any money makes it a whole different transaction, and could possibly invalidate the contract. That's what the lesbians are betting on, anyway.

Based on the contract terms quoted in the article, I can't imagine a court giving them the win, but stranger things have happened.

Actually, he was probably screwed either way. Family courts can and do set aside private contracts if they deem it in the best interest of the child.


Well, child support is officially for the child. Not the parent. A parent cannot normally sign an agreement to cancel financial obligations to the child.

And this is a case where the state stepped in and paid the child's expenses, and is trying to get compensation from him. I'm not sure the mother is even a part of this.
 
2012-12-28 11:24:17 PM  
/dafuqlist.org
 
2012-12-28 11:27:26 PM  

ThunderPelvis: Legally, the state would have a much harder time going after an ex-partner than a biological parent.


Harder? Should be impossible.
 
2012-12-28 11:28:42 PM  

xant: JerkyMeat: Schroller said that after consulting with his wife, Marotta decided to donate free of charge rather than taking the $50.


Amature move.

This may actually be his biggest problem. Not accepting any money makes it a whole different transaction, and could possibly invalidate the contract. That's what the lesbians are betting on, anyway.

Based on the contract terms quoted in the article, I can't imagine a court giving them the win, but stranger things have happened.


The lesbians aren't the ones doing this, the state is. They're interested in sticking someone with the bill, whether they really should get the bill doesn't enter into the picture.
 
2012-12-28 11:30:49 PM  

ongbok: Gergesa: Hmmm this sounds like the sort of case that would cause men to avoid being a sperm donor.

Not really. If you donate to a sperm bank or do the donation in a clinic you will be fine. If you try to cut out the sperm bank or clinic and lawyers, you will probably get screwed down the line. There are procedures to protect if you want to do this type of stuff, follow those procedures. fleece you for what you can get for free from many people.


FTFY

It should be a simple contract. Sign away rights, sign away financial responsibility.

Our legal system is well and truly farked anyways, this is just the icing on the cake.
 
2012-12-28 11:31:16 PM  
For any lesbian couples out there, check the local libraries. I've left plenty of free samples near the computers on the east-facing wall. Help yourself.
 
2012-12-28 11:31:19 PM  

ThunderPelvis: the state would have a much harder time going after an ex-partner than a biological parent.


Yeah, looks like that may be what's going on here. TFA isnt really clear as to what happened to the old "dad", other than to say that the household has fallen on hard times.

She may be long gone by now.
 
2012-12-28 11:36:20 PM  

iron_city_ap: So... the insemination wasn't performed by a licensed physician... Turkey baster or old fashioned way?


Old fashioned - a semen applicator shaped like Jodie Foster's fist.
 
2012-12-28 11:41:53 PM  
That really was amateurish. He should have gotten a vasectomy first.
 
2012-12-28 11:42:08 PM  
Maybe not for you
 
2012-12-28 11:46:21 PM  
those who have posted that the mother could not sign away the child's right to support are correct -- no standing, contract against public policy.

the reason that the mother gave the state the father's name is because she wouldn't have been given support if she hadn't. since the 80's, "welfare reform" has required/entitled states that use federal funds as part of AFDC (aid to families with dependent children) to go after the non-custodial parent for any unpaid child support.

it gets worse -- AFDC is based on a formula (varies from state to state), child support in these cases is based largely on the non-custodial parent's income. if the deadbeat dad is making good money, the state can collect more in unpaid child support than they pay the mom in AFDC. where does that extra money go? general fund.

a lawyer, not your lawyer.
 
2012-12-28 11:46:41 PM  
What he should have done is maintained his anonymity throughout the donation process. If he used a throwaway email address and never gave them any personally identifying information then he would never have had to worry about anything. Well I suppose the government could have traced his ip address but there are ways around that too.
 
2012-12-28 11:47:17 PM  
"Direct deposits" get the same protections as going through a sperm bank or fertility specialist.

At first I was outraged. Then I skimmed the story. They didn't have a licensed physician perform the insemination. So either they used a turkey baster, went to some back alley inceptionist, or they did it the old fashioned way. I'm guessing it was that last method. Now the "financially stable" couple isn't so stable and someone's seeking assistance from the government and the government expects the father to support his child.

Since the insemination didn't take place within the guidelines that would exempt the guy from financial responsibility, he's proper farked. While the women would be unable to make any financial claim against him, the state made no such agreement. The women don't have the authority to provide an exemption on behalf of a third party. If he had gone through the proper donation procedures, he wouldn't be in this mess. If nobody was requesting financial support from the government, he wouldn't be in this mess.
 
2012-12-28 11:48:03 PM  
On Oct. 3, attorney Mark McMillan filed a petition on behalf of the Department of Children and Families seeking a ruling that Marotta is the father of Schreiner's child and owes a duty to support her. It said the department provided cash assistance totaling $189 for the girl for July through September 2012 and had paid medical expenses totaling $5,884.96.

Schroller, an attorney with Topeka-based Swinnen & Associates, said the state became involved after the mother fell on hard times and applied for financial assistance through the state.

She said of Schreiner: "My understanding is that after being pressed on paternity of the child, she gave them William's name as a sperm donor. The state then filed this suit to determine paternity."

/So much for the "financially stable" lesbian couple. They file for food stamps, and financial assistance, and instead of saying "I dont know who the father is, you decide to throw him to the wolves for doing you a favor. And he didn't even take your lousy fifty bucks. But you're sure going to take his. So much for your word on a contract. farking biatch. And the guy is an idiot, just because you sign a paper saying that you have no parental rights, and they wont come after you, that doesn't mean shiat to the state.
 
2012-12-28 11:48:31 PM  

jtown: "Direct deposits" get the same protections as going through a sperm bank or fertility specialist.


Damnit. They don't get the same protections. Don't do what Donny Don't Does.
 
xcv
2012-12-28 11:48:36 PM  

omeganuepsilon: ongbok: Gergesa: Hmmm this sounds like the sort of case that would cause men to avoid being a sperm donor.

Not really. If you donate to a sperm bank or do the donation in a clinic you will be fine. If you try to cut out the sperm bank or clinic and lawyers, you will probably get screwed down the line. There are procedures to protect if you want to do this type of stuff, follow those procedures. fleece you for what you can get for free from many people.

FTFY

It should be a simple contract. Sign away rights, sign away financial responsibility.

Our legal system is well and truly farked anyways, this is just the icing on the cake.


It's not a simple contract between two individuals when the state gets involved.

Otherwise men can sign away all financial responsibility for child support and let the state pick up tab for their children.

To keep it simple, sperm donations should be done through a clinic and kept anonymous until the kid is 18, or recognize gay relationships so the other same-sex partner is considered the second parent, or make healthcare single-payer so women don't get billed in the delivery room.
 
2012-12-28 11:50:44 PM  
I'm sure it's been said.

I'll gladly masturbate for any lesbian as long as they let me watch

and aren't like two hippos floundering in the night with giant h.ross perot sucking sounds
 
2012-12-28 11:51:09 PM  

ElBarto79: Why would the mother tell the state who the father is? Just say it was a one night stand, what are they going to do?


/because she wants his cash. Her word to not hold him responsible lasted about as long as her relationship with the other girl did.  He's gonna pay now.  Teach him to do someone a favor.  That shiat wont happen again.
 
2012-12-28 11:53:44 PM  
This may actually be his biggest problem. Not accepting any money makes it a whole different transaction, and could possibly invalidate the contract. That's what the lesbians are betting on, anyway.

The lesbian parents aren't seeking anything from him. The breadwinner of the couple lost her job and applied for financial assistance from the government.

The state is trying to save a buck and extract the money from the biological father rather than have it come from the state welfare funds.

From an emotional standpoint, I think the state should pay and this guy shouldn't owe anything. From a logical standpoint, this is why I avoid Craigslist. Too many deals which have little to no protection under the law.
 
2012-12-29 12:06:17 AM  

freewill: DeathCipris: Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.
 
As I understand it, child support is owed to the child for the benefit of the child, not the parent. The parent has no standing to waive it.


Bingo.

The State will be seeking child support from both parents to cover the assistance that the kid received from the State.  The child support guidelines specify a total amount of support due to the child based (mainly) upon the combined incomes of the parents.  Each parent is responsible for a share in proportion of his/her income to the combined incomes.

If this guy is found to be a donor, then the State will go after the mother for the full amount.  Only her income will be used to calculate the monthly payment due.

I'm surprised Mr. Donor's wife was OK with this deal.
 
2012-12-29 12:07:23 AM  
This is a case where the laws haven't caught up with times. When this happened the birth certificate should list both of the lesbians and the sperm donor only for future reference, like the child wanting to now about any family medical conditions.
 
2012-12-29 12:07:24 AM  
From the comments: This is huge. As a person that has sold sperm, I am very concerned about this case. If the child support is granted, I could end up having the state or individuals coming after me and I did not even get to have sex with any of the women.

F*cking golden.
 
2012-12-29 12:08:09 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: On Oct. 3, attorney Mark McMillan filed a petition on behalf of the Department of Children and Families seeking a ruling that Marotta is the father of Schreiner's child and owes a duty to support her. It said the department provided cash assistance totaling $189 for the girl for July through September 2012 and had paid medical expenses totaling $5,884.96.

Schroller, an attorney with Topeka-based Swinnen & Associates, said the state became involved after the mother fell on hard times and applied for financial assistance through the state.

She said of Schreiner: "My understanding is that after being pressed on paternity of the child, she gave them William's name as a sperm donor. The state then filed this suit to determine paternity."

/So much for the "financially stable" lesbian couple. They file for food stamps, and financial assistance, and instead of saying "I dont know who the father is, you decide to throw him to the wolves for doing you a favor. And he didn't even take your lousy fifty bucks. But you're sure going to take his. So much for your word on a contract. farking biatch. And the guy is an idiot, just because you sign a paper saying that you have no parental rights, and they wont come after you, that doesn't mean shiat to the state.


You hit it on the head with that. There is a procedure to do through that would have kept this from happening to him. Lesson here is to do your research before you go doing stuff like this. A quick Google search or a call to a lawyer would have saved this guy a lot of headache.
 
2012-12-29 12:10:57 AM  

Oznog: Well, child support is officially for the child. Not the parent. A parent cannot normally sign an agreement to cancel financial obligations to the child.


Cannot be stressed enough in this situation. Once you agree to "parent" a child, whether through traditional sex, or in this case through an apparent donation - you should consider yourself officially liable down the road. Just like a parent cannot make certain decisions for a child (such as surrendering citizenship, etc.) as an attorney I would be very wary that any court would ultimately allow for a parent to simply surrender the right of the child to financial support from the other contributing "partner" to the procreation.

From a taxpayer/state point of view: Who played an active role into bringing this child into the world? - the state or the "donor"? From whom should the state move to recover in case the child ultimately ends up on state support? - the taxpayer or the donor who voluntarily agreed to parent (create) the child?

You play the game, don't be surprised if the rules ultimately differ from what you may have thought they were to begin with. Private contracts are set aside all the time because they counter an important state/societal interest. In this case, the interest being that children created voluntarily should be the financial responsibility of those who participated in the creation, not the taxpayer who had no say or role in the creation of said child.
 
2012-12-29 12:13:04 AM  

fredbox: Yep, he's hosed. Gentlemen, please remember, vasectomies are cheap and convenient, relative to the alternative.


That would sorta put a crimp on the whole sperm selling/donating thing.


jtown: inceptionist


BWAAAAAAAHHHHHMMMM!
 
2012-12-29 12:14:56 AM  
Goddamnit. I hate Brownbackistan so very much.
 
2012-12-29 12:15:36 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: freewill: DeathCipris: Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.

As I understand it, child support is owed to the child for the benefit of the child, not the parent. The parent has no standing to waive it.


I believe I've heard of a number of cases like this over the years, all of which seemingly amount to "people trying to do something important and life-changing without consulting an attorney before signing their life away on the back of a napkin".

And yet he was a donor. I would have to wonder if the laws for sperm donation would apply instead. This is a very, very, very nasty can of worms they are opening.


Not really.  K.S.A. 23-2208(f) provides an out for a sperm donor who does things properly:

"The donor of semen provided to a licensed physician for use in artificial insemination of a woman other than the donor's wife is treated in law as if he were not the birth father of a child thereby conceived, unless agreed to in writing by the donor and the woman."

That they met via Craigslist doesn't matter.  The sperm donation should have been done through a doctor, not a Dixie cup.
 
2012-12-29 12:15:47 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Each parent is responsible for a share in proportion of his/her income to the combined incomes.


in many states, (california, for instance), the custodial arrangements also figure into the calculation of each parent's support obligation. but since these AFDC/support cases always involve a absentee/deadbeat dad and a broke mom, the calculation comes down to the dad's income -- as i said in my previous post.

BarkingUnicorn: If this guy is found to be a donor, then the State will go after the mother for the full amount.  Only her income will be used to calculate the monthly payment due..


mom is broke. i will be greatly surprised if this guy is found to be a donor and not a dad.
 
2012-12-29 12:23:23 AM  
i236.photobucket.com

Does not approve.
 
2012-12-29 12:27:33 AM  

ricochet4: those who have posted that the mother could not sign away the child's right to support are correct -- no standing, contract against public policy.

the reason that the mother gave the state the father's name is because she wouldn't have been given support if she hadn't. since the 80's, "welfare reform" has required/entitled states that use federal funds as part of AFDC (aid to families with dependent children) to go after the non-custodial parent for any unpaid child support.

it gets worse -- AFDC is based on a formula (varies from state to state), child support in these cases is based largely on the non-custodial parent's income. if the deadbeat dad is making good money, the state can collect more in unpaid child support than they pay the mom in AFDC. where does that extra money go? general fund.

a lawyer, not your lawyer.


You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.
 
2012-12-29 12:31:11 AM  

ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: Each parent is responsible for a share in proportion of his/her income to the combined incomes.

in many states, (california, for instance), the custodial arrangements also figure into the calculation of each parent's support obligation. but since these AFDC/support cases always involve a absentee/deadbeat dad and a broke mom, the calculation comes down to the dad's income -- as i said in my previous post.

BarkingUnicorn: If this guy is found to be a donor, then the State will go after the mother for the full amount.  Only her income will be used to calculate the monthly payment due..

mom is broke. i will be greatly surprised if this guy is found to be a donor and not a dad.


After reading the applicable Kansas law, I agree:  he's on the hook because he didn't go through a doctor.
 
2012-12-29 12:34:28 AM  

Karma Curmudgeon: It's never been about the money for me.


It's about sending a message?
 
2012-12-29 12:38:10 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.


wrong. this happened to a client of mine.

i don't know where you get your information from, it is not correct.
 
2012-12-29 12:40:38 AM  

Tentacle: Karma Curmudgeon: It's never been about the money for me.

It's about sending a message?


Everyone sues?
 
2012-12-29 12:41:28 AM  

iron_city_ap: So... the insemination wasn't performed by a licensed physician... Turkey baster or old fashioned way?


Sounds like a turkey baster case or if she was a real true honest lesbian the would of used an eye dropper but little do we know how profitable the human insemination business is.
 
2012-12-29 12:46:00 AM  

xcv: It's not a simple contract between two individuals when the state gets involved.

Otherwise men can sign away all financial responsibility for child support and let the state pick up tab for their children.


Of course I meant a joint contract before contraception. Hell, ideally if a single mom wants to be a single mom(and the male is gone/absent as in this case), paternity should never be sought, or granted down the road to a suddenly sentimental father. Screw him for taking off.

And I'm saying it should be that simple(i know, shiat in one hand and wish into the other...), I understand that it's not. Between gay marriage and guardianship laws, and old fashioned moral values sought out by the state, it's obviously not the case.

IMO, there are some area's of the law that need to be rebuilt from the ground up, and then swapped in for what we have now.
 
2012-12-29 12:54:06 AM  

ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.

wrong. this happened to a client of mine.

i don't know where you get your information from, it is not correct.


Probably from another State and another time.  AFDC was abolished in 1996, replaced by TANF.
 
2012-12-29 12:57:31 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.


That's would buy an awful lot of flannel shirts
 
2012-12-29 01:08:20 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.

wrong. this happened to a client of mine.

i don't know where you get your information from, it is not correct.

Probably from another State and another time.  AFDC was abolished in 1996, replaced by TANF.


i'll grant you that. i gathered from the way you wrote your response ("the state cannot collect more than the state has spent on the child" -- obviously untrue) that you were speaking off the cuff, describing what seemed correct to you, rather than basing your response on personal knowledge.

here's more info -- my client was the father, mom had three kids and only one was his. never married, never together. to get AFDC, mom had to sign over her right to collect child support on behalf of her children. the way AFDC was calculated in that state at that time, mom would get, say, $300 for one kid, $350 for two kids, $375 for three kids -- you get the idea. i'm guesstimating those amounts, but the principal stands, it's wasn't a simple matter to say how much the state was paying for my client's kid. however, my guy had fallen into a really good-paying job so that put his support obligation *way* above $375/month (to continue using those numbers). legally i could show that the child was entitled to the entire amount that dad owed, but since the state was collecting from him, i had no way to compel the state to pay the overage.

that's the real problem i was alluding to -- regardless of what the law says (an in my case, it said nothing), the state has a vested interest in double-dipping. these cases are actually pretty rare, since many absentee dads of kids on welfare do not make tons of prove-able income...but it still sucks.
 
2012-12-29 01:10:52 AM  

epoch_destroi: Nice to see a bunch of people who couldn't be bothered to read the article assume that the women are pinching him for money, rather than the state pursuing him despite the women telling the state about the contract.


it surprises me how many there are. is reading comprehension a lost art now?
 
2012-12-29 01:24:07 AM  

ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: ricochet4: BarkingUnicorn: You are nobody's lawyer.  The State cannot collect more than the State has spent on the child, including the child's portion of AFDC but not the mother's.  Any child support paid in excess of the State's expenditures on the child belongs to the child.

wrong. this happened to a client of mine.

i don't know where you get your information from, it is not correct.

Probably from another State and another time.  AFDC was abolished in 1996, replaced by TANF.

i'll grant you that. i gathered from the way you wrote your response ("the state cannot collect more than the state has spent on the child" -- obviously untrue) that you were speaking off the cuff, describing what seemed correct to you, rather than basing your response on personal knowledge.

here's more info -- my client was the father, mom had three kids and only one was his. never married, never together. to get AFDC, mom had to sign over her right to collect child support on behalf of her children. the way AFDC was calculated in that state at that time, mom would get, say, $300 for one kid, $350 for two kids, $375 for three kids -- you get the idea. i'm guesstimating those amounts, but the principal stands, it's wasn't a simple matter to say how much the state was paying for my client's kid. however, my guy had fallen into a really good-paying job so that put his support obligation *way* above $375/month (to continue using those numbers). legally i could show that the child was entitled to the entire amount that dad owed, but since the state was collecting from him, i had no way to compel the state to pay the overage.

that's the real problem i was alluding to -- regardless of what the law says (an in my case, it said nothing), the state has a vested interest in double-dipping. these cases are actually pretty rare, since many absentee dads of kids on welfare do not make tons of prove-able income...but it still sucks.


Well, whatever State that was, it certainly sucked.
 
2012-12-29 01:30:59 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Well, whatever State that was, it certainly sucked.


at last, we agree. :)

i won't say the name of the state, but it rhymes with touisiana.
 
2012-12-29 01:36:55 AM  
Guys need to remember this: States are not interested in what is fair or morally right for paternity. They are interested in finding a daddy so that they don't have to be the ones picking up the tab. Don't rely on contracts or anything else, because they won't do shiat, the state doesn't care. They want to find a daddy to pay.

Don't donate your DNA to make a child, except possibly anonymously (and check before you do that), if you aren't ready to support said child. Because if the mother decides she is unwilling or unable to support the child on her own, they'll come after you, because they don't want to pay.
 
2012-12-29 01:38:29 AM  

Kiwimann: From a logical standpoint, this is why I avoid Craigslist. Too many deals which have little to no protection under the law.


Same here. I stick to eBay for sperm swaps.
 
2012-12-29 01:43:21 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: sounds like these lesbians had a plan.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-29 01:48:54 AM  
From the Comments:

The Old Guy 12/28/12 - 06:15 pm

How Did the Kansas Department of Families and Childern

Get involved and they are tried find someone to do what the Deparment is oppose to do.


Ahhh, Kansas...
 
2012-12-29 01:51:15 AM  

sycraft: Don't rely on contracts or anything else, because they won't do shiat, the state doesn't care. They want to find a daddy to pay.


I have an official adoption release processed by the state. It's official, I am not a parent.
 
2012-12-29 01:51:37 AM  
She could have said she didn't know who the father was because she had few one night stands, and can't remember their names.
Problem solved.
 
2012-12-29 01:53:10 AM  

sycraft: Guys need to remember this: States are not interested in what is fair or morally right for paternity. They are interested in finding a daddy so that they don't have to be the ones picking up the tab. Don't rely on contracts or anything else, because they won't do shiat, the state doesn't care. They want to find a daddy to pay.

Don't donate your DNA to make a child, except possibly anonymously (and check before you do that), if you aren't ready to support said child. Because if the mother decides she is unwilling or unable to support the child on her own, they'll come after you, because they don't want to pay.


The Kansas statute referenced in TFA grants a sperm donor "immunity from paternity" if he provides his sperm to a licensed physician for the purpose of artificial insemination.  All you have to do is consult the law and follow it.

Hm... which State's law?  The one in which you donate, the one in which the woman is inseminated, the one in which the child is born, or the one which spends money on your child? (sigh)  Often, I think we have 49 States too many.
 
2012-12-29 02:06:25 AM  
Me and Mrs. Drongo probably won't ever have kids; we're not that interested in it....from a genetic point of view I have no major urge to reproduce, but I'm comfortable with the notion of helping out a childless couple if I could.
I seriously considered donating to a lesbian couple I know (well, the intended surrogate is bi, and hot too, but it'd all be a turkey baster and cup, sadly). Absolutely is not going to happen due to the stupid laws about sperm donation and anonymity in the UK.
 
2012-12-29 02:09:50 AM  

Wizard Drongo: Me and Mrs. Drongo probably won't ever have kids; we're not that interested in it....from a genetic point of view I have no major urge to reproduce, but I'm comfortable with the notion of helping out a childless couple if I could.
I seriously considered donating to a lesbian couple I know (well, the intended surrogate is bi, and hot too, but it'd all be a turkey baster and cup, sadly). Absolutely is not going to happen due to the stupid laws about sperm donation and anonymity in the UK.


Well, WTF are the stupid laws?

/turkey baster would have busted the deal for me
 
2012-12-29 02:13:02 AM  
i1172.photobucket.com

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.
 
2012-12-29 02:15:48 AM  

lohphat: I have an official adoption release processed by the state. It's official, I am not a parent.


What the state giveith, it can taketh away.
 
2012-12-29 02:26:29 AM  
No good seed goes unpunished.
 
2012-12-29 02:29:21 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: No good seed goes unpunished.


I think that just about wraps it up.
 
2012-12-29 02:42:24 AM  
A wrap might have better.
 
2012-12-29 02:48:57 AM  
 
2012-12-29 02:50:27 AM  

Maestro's Girl: She could have said she didn't know who the father was because she had few one night stands, and can't remember their names.
Problem solved.


Problem is it would be a lie, one that she could be caught in. Making false statements in an application for state benefits/aid? No no no. Big no.

TFA makes it sound like there are other kids in the lesbians' home, also on Medicaid, either in foster care or the adoption process. Losing the goodwill of their social worker? OHN. If these ladies are ethical people at all, they should do everything possible to make sperm donor guy whole later. But for now? Telling a fib doesn't sound like an option.
 
2012-12-29 02:55:08 AM  
if only there were some gay rights special interest group who would either pay the donor's legal fees or just pony up the cash that the state wants.
 
2012-12-29 03:09:51 AM  

DeathCipris: FTFA: "Marotta and the women, Topekans Angela Bauer and Jennifer Schreiner, signed an agreement holding him harmless for support of the child, a daughter Schreiner bore after being artificially inseminated."

Why does this have to go to court? You already agreed in WRITING that he was not to be held liable. You have no case. You lose. Good day, sir.


The state is going after him. He had no written agreement with the government.
 
2012-12-29 03:30:22 AM  
The moral of the story is: never give your spunk to lesbians.

Seriously, there are so many orphans in the system that need a good home. That's blindingly obvious. If lesbians are trolling Craigslist for sperm then they are most certainly not stable enough or rational enough to create a human life with. Run away!
 
2012-12-29 03:32:44 AM  

ringo2: I don't think the lesbian couple planned this ahead of time, but I'm wondering what happened to their relationship?


They probably thought having a baby together would save their relationship.

Selfish idiots.
 
2012-12-29 03:35:55 AM  

E5bie: If these ladies are ethical people at all, they should do everything possible to make sperm donor guy whole later.


That might be a possibility for him, depending on how the contract was written.  TFA says they agreed to "hold him harmless."  He may be able to sue both ladies for whatever he ends up out of pocket.  Or maybe not the mother; court might well rule that would take money from the child.  But if both ladies signed the contract, the non-mother could be liable for damages.
 
2012-12-29 03:48:43 AM  

Max Awesome: The moral of the story is: never give your spunk to lesbians.

Seriously, there are so many orphans in the system that need a good home. That's blindingly obvious. If lesbians are trolling Craigslist for sperm then they are most certainly not stable enough or rational enough to create a human life with. Run away! Use a pseudonym!

 
2012-12-29 03:51:00 AM  

fusillade762: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.


I was going to ask about that. The graphic itself didn't even look right, not to mention it's not a "real" cite, just a graphic that could have been pulled off of a christian blog.(that's what I assumed anyhow).

The text of the post is about right, male or female, we're all a revenue source for the state, but traditionally, the male has a disadvantage in such cases.
 
2012-12-29 04:40:14 AM  

fusillade762: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.

the study doesn't document the failure of same-sex marriage. It documents the failure of the closeted, broken, and unstable households that preceded same-sex marriage.

...the entire sample was born between 1971 and 1994, when same-sex marriage was illegal throughout the United States, and millions of homosexuals were trying to pass or function as straight spouses...

In short, these people aren't the products of same-sex households. They're the products of broken homes.


Thanks for that link. It shows just how dodgy the graphic put up by GF is. Whoever put that set of stats together while pretending that it was about real gay couples raising kids and not largely people cheating on their partners with other same-sex partners has got agendas up the arse. Probably in a "no, there's nothing gay about me putting a 13-inch black rubber agenda up my arse" kind of way.

Meanwhile, my two cents about the actual article is it's wrong, but that's bound to happen if you get into these situations without doing the correct legal/medical research. Shame on those Farkers claiming that this is because the lesbian couple are behind the legal action, and shame on the lesbian couple for naming the sperm donor to authorities and not just claiming it was all a first-names-only Craigslist arrangement.
 
2012-12-29 05:03:29 AM  

Seasons I'v Withered: Which one of you farks outted ME!

For shame
You'll get yours one thread ,You'll see


promises, promises. Mrs.Kritter hasn't massaged the old wingwang in some ten years. you stop by and give me mine anytime you're up to it, butch.

/ i like it when you slap my ass & pull my hair, hint-hint
 
2012-12-29 05:26:25 AM  
I was asked to be a donor to my ex-wife and her girlfriend (long story) and seriously considered doing it, but I ended up saying no -- partially out of fear of something like this.
 
2012-12-29 05:35:11 AM  
Lesson of the Story:

If your sperm is going inside a woman, make sure your penis is penetrating her somehow.
 
2012-12-29 06:21:24 AM  
So women who donate eggs should be chased for child support?
 
2012-12-29 06:45:39 AM  

dready zim: So women who donate eggs should be chased for child support?


Good try, but no win. The mother is the woman who's uterus was the kid's first home. The origins of eggs have nothing to do with it. From the comments here by farkers with more legal knowledge than me, the sperm donor WOULD have been equally immune had he gone through a doctor, but it appears this was not the case here. Simply, any egg donor is obviously going through a doctor because a turkey baster or more traditional methods would not work in such an instance; surgery is required.
 
2012-12-29 07:19:28 AM  

fredbox: Yep, he's hosed. Gentlemen, please remember, vasectomies are cheap and convenient, relative to the alternative.


How about not masturbating for lesbians? That's even more convenient.
 
2012-12-29 07:26:41 AM  

Aussie_As: fusillade762: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.

the study doesn't document the failure of same-sex marriage. It documents the failure of the closeted, broken, and unstable households that preceded same-sex marriage.

...the entire sample was born between 1971 and 1994, when same-sex marriage was illegal throughout the United States, and millions of homosexuals were trying to pass or function as straight spouses...

In short, these people aren't the products of same-sex households. They're the products of broken homes.

Thanks for that link. It shows just how dodgy the graphic put up by GF is. Whoever put that set of stats together while pretending that it was about real gay couples raising kids and not largely people cheating on their partners with other same-sex partners has got agendas up the arse. Probably in a "no, there's nothing gay about me putting a 13-inch black rubber agenda up my arse" kind of way.


I try to avoid ad hominem attacks, but I will freely attack Mark Regnerus for having no knowledge of how to set up a research study, and I will treat the results of any of his future studies as garbage until I have the opportunity to pick through the methodology with a fine-toothed comb myself.

/the same rules apply to John Lott
 
2012-12-29 07:59:24 AM  

hbk72777: What_Would_Jimi_Do: these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.

That's would buy an awful lot of flannel shirts


And Suburus.
 
2012-12-29 08:13:38 AM  

John Redcorn: hbk72777: What_Would_Jimi_Do: these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.

That's would buy an awful lot of flannel shirts

And Suburus.


i imagined a japanese person saying suburu
 
2012-12-29 08:16:49 AM  
Max Awesome:
"Seriously, there are so many orphans in the system that need a good home. That's blindingly obvious."

Uh, no. That's not obvious (or true) at all.
 
2012-12-29 08:18:05 AM  

John Redcorn: hbk72777: What_Would_Jimi_Do: these lesbians need 20K a month, to keep up with the lifestyle the 3 year old is used to.

That's would buy an awful lot of flannel shirts

And Suburus.


Funny but unfair. It's the state pursuing the lawsuit. So the correct answer is it buys a bunch of consultants to educate public servants on the perils of work-station based injuries or it buys a bunch of temp workers to do the work of the public servants while they bludge off (I know that one is true - I had a stable job as one of those temp workers right up until my own state government ran out of money and I had to find a private sector job).
 
2012-12-29 08:22:24 AM  
Fusillade762:
GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.

the study doesn't document the failure of same-sex marriage. It documents the failure of the closeted, broken, and unstable households that preceded same-sex marriage."

Thank you for that link. I was wondering where such skewed stats would have come from. Clearly, an example of severe bias masquerading as science.
 
2012-12-29 09:28:49 AM  
Do not put your dick (or your turkey baster) in crazy.

Lesbian couples posting on Craig's List looking for sperm donors is just a giant fuzzy ball of crazy.

s13.postimage.org
 
2012-12-29 11:06:29 AM  

clyph: lohphat: I have an official adoption release processed by the state. It's official, I am not a parent.

What the state giveith, it can taketh away.


Which can be said of anything. I choose not to live in fear of what the State can or might do, I get on with life.
 
2012-12-29 12:08:49 PM  

fusillade762: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 617x571]

as a man, the state does not consider you to be a human being. you are a paycheck. you are a number.

Yeah, about that.

the study doesn't document the failure of same-sex marriage. It documents the failure of the closeted, broken, and unstable households that preceded same-sex marriage.

...the entire sample was born between 1971 and 1994, when same-sex marriage was illegal throughout the United States, and millions of homosexuals were trying to pass or function as straight spouses...

In short, these people aren't the products of same-sex households. They're the products of broken homes.


take a wild guess as to the percentage of lesbians who end up in divorce and create broken homes. to help you out i will let you know that over 80% of divorces are initiated by a the woman in a normal marriage.

Link
 
2012-12-29 12:17:16 PM  
So paying for a doctor to use a state licensed turkey baster rather than self-administering using the Target branded baster makes all the difference in the world and renders the contracts meaningless. Right.

It's class warfare, man!
 
2012-12-29 12:19:44 PM  
this study says that lesbians are 167% more likely to divorce than other marriages.
therefore, lesbians create broken homes --> broken homes create bad children ---> lesbians create bad children
 
2012-12-29 12:26:53 PM  
Whatever happened to spentmiles?
 
2012-12-29 05:46:26 PM  
GF named my left testicle thundercles:
"this study says that lesbians are 167% more likely to divorce than other marriages.
therefore, lesbians create broken homes --> broken homes create bad children ---> lesbians create bad children"

And your point is what? Lesbians should not be allowed to have children?
 
2012-12-29 06:31:47 PM  
If he didn't squirt the sperm into the Lesbian, he should be off the hook.
 
2012-12-29 10:05:58 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: this study says that lesbians are 167% more likely to divorce than other marriages.
therefore, lesbians create broken homes --> broken homes create bad children ---> lesbians create bad children


--> GFnmltt is an anti-gay bigot.
 
2012-12-29 11:12:05 PM  

Richard_Gozinia: If he didn't squirt the sperm into the Lesbian, he should be off the hook.


Common sense would say you're correct.
Unfortunately, we're dealing with CS Enforcement and the family court system. Common sense and a sense of fairness are forbidden. I think it's in Section 1.1 of the manual.
 
2012-12-30 07:02:33 AM  

Animatronik: fredbox: Yep, he's hosed. Gentlemen, please remember, vasectomies are cheap and convenient, relative to the alternative.

How about not masturbating for lesbians? That's even more convenient.


Only if there's pepper spray involved.
 
Displayed 158 of 158 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report