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(Daily Mail)   Police called to store after Welsh druid refuses to pay because cashier wouldn't say 'pum-deg-wyth punt, chwedeg-dau'   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 115
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2012-12-28 08:20:00 PM
I am convinced that Wales consipred with Hawaii to beat the ever loving crap out of Kyrgyzstan and take everything even remotely resembling a vowel.
 
2012-12-28 08:20:58 PM

Xetal: CygnusDarius: Was this druid wielding a sword?.

No, they're only able to wield non-metallic weapons, I believe. Let me consult the rulebook.


No, they're cleared for sickles and scimitars. Basically, anything with a curved blade.
 
2012-12-28 08:22:23 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Fy hofrenfad yn llawn llyswennod


Mae fy tethau ffrwydro gyda llawenydd!
 
2012-12-28 08:24:31 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Xetal: CygnusDarius: Was this druid wielding a sword?.

No, they're only able to wield non-metallic weapons, I believe. Let me consult the rulebook.

No, they're cleared for sickles and scimitars. Basically, anything with a curved blade.


Blast, it's been too long since I've played =(
 
2012-12-28 08:30:57 PM

People_are_Idiots: Wizard Drongo: bighairyguy: How do you say "total dick" in Welsh?

"English"

Cashier spoke to him in welsh the whole conversation, and then totalled in english (probably not a native speaker, and just read the numbers, automatically). An 83 year old guy in west wales might well even now not speak much english, or even any, so when he asked fr in in welsh and she refused, she was being a complete biatch.

Though the real fail is reserved for the english wankers on the Daily Mail site, whining "but this is the UK, we all speak English", not realising that Gaelic Gaelige is spoken in NI & Scotland, Scots Gaelic in Scotland, Ulster Scots in NI, and Welsh in Wales. The English think they run/own everything, but they do get stroppy when you remind them they don't.
/ Sassenach bastards

FTFY :)


Actually, I was right first time.
In Scotland, there are Gaelic speakers. In Ireland, Irish-Gaelic speakers (usually, Scots-gaelic is just called gaelic). If I was SPEAKING in that language, it would be gaelige. Much as if you're speaking in German, "german" is "deutsch",
But in Scotland, as you obviously didn't know, we ALSO speak Scots.
Scots is NOT gaelic. Scots is the germanic language that's much like English, and is often confused as being english, or english-with-a-scottish-accent, or "dialect", but it's actually a full blown language. It's not as common as once it was, because a lot of Scots speakers are slowly starting to speak more english due to media, Americanisation etc. but nonetheless, a lot of Scots speakers are still around.
I can't even speak full Scots. I can understand it, especially written....
For example, a simple copyright notice:
Aw richts is pitten by. Nae pairt o this darg shuid be doobelt, hained in ony kin o seestem, or furthset in ony shape or by onygate whitsomeiver, 'ithoot haein leave frae the writer afore-haund.
All rights reserved. No part of this work may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without prior permission of the author.

One is in English, the other in Scots.They are as far apart as Norwegian & Swedish...
 
2012-12-28 08:30:57 PM
Mutiny32
Maudlinmutantmollusk
Fy hofrenfad yn llawn llyswennod

Mae fy tethau ffrwydro gyda llawenydd!


Cthulhu fhtagn?
 
2012-12-28 08:35:40 PM

Wizard Drongo: Though the real fail is reserved for the english wankers on the Daily Mail site, whining "but this is the UK, we all speak English", not realising that Gaelic is spoken in NI & Scotland, Scots in Scotland, Ulster Scots in NI, and Welsh in Wales. The English think they run/own everything, but they do get stroppy when you remind them they don't.


I'm getting the popcorn ready for the prospect of Puerto Rico as the 51st state. The derp tsunami from admitting a majority-Spanish-speaking state should be fun to watch.
 
2012-12-28 08:38:33 PM

rassleholic: I am convinced that Wales consipred with Hawaii to beat the ever loving crap out of Kyrgyzstan and take everything even remotely resembling a vowel.


Not only that, but Wales got the mutant vowels, such as "u" taking the "ee" sound.
 
2012-12-28 08:39:01 PM

Fubegra: Wizard Drongo: Though the real fail is reserved for the english wankers on the Daily Mail site, whining "but this is the UK, we all speak English", not realising that Gaelic is spoken in NI & Scotland, Scots in Scotland, Ulster Scots in NI, and Welsh in Wales. The English think they run/own everything, but they do get stroppy when you remind them they don't.

I'm getting the popcorn ready for the prospect of Puerto Rico as the 51st state. The derp tsunami from admitting a majority-Spanish-speaking state should be fun to watch.


Do it.

Middle-Americ-East is next, aka Africa. We'll call it America Eleventy...

*)
 
2012-12-28 08:41:11 PM

Xetal: RoyFokker'sGhost: Xetal: CygnusDarius: Was this druid wielding a sword?.

No, they're only able to wield non-metallic weapons, I believe. Let me consult the rulebook.

No, they're cleared for sickles and scimitars. Basically, anything with a curved blade.

Blast, it's been too long since I've played =(


As much as I love the D&D references, it's not the Druid I'm talking about. The Druid I'm talking about lives in Tempe Arizona.
 
2012-12-28 08:48:19 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Xetal: CygnusDarius: Was this druid wielding a sword?.

No, they're only able to wield non-metallic weapons, I believe. Let me consult the rulebook.

No, they're cleared for sickles and scimitars. Basically, anything with a curved blade.


Did you see those Druids from Wales? They've got curved swords. Curved. Swords.
 
2012-12-28 08:57:33 PM
In before Cthul--- damn.

In before Torchwood ref--- damn.

/Carry on, I need to GBTW anyway (late night).
 
2012-12-28 09:02:29 PM

Moriel: He said that the cashier spoke to him in Welsh until it came to pay. He had expected her to say 'pum-deg-wyth punt, chwedeg-dau', but instead she said the figure in English.

This is the part that confuses me. If she spoke Welsh, then why didn't she just tell him the price in Welsh? This story is missing some details and I am left with the impression that the cashier should get he the most blame for this.


Maybe they don't really use numbers in Welsh.

I'm not being sarcastic, for all I know they don't.
 
2012-12-28 09:07:44 PM

spawn73: Moriel: He said that the cashier spoke to him in Welsh until it came to pay. He had expected her to say 'pum-deg-wyth punt, chwedeg-dau', but instead she said the figure in English.

This is the part that confuses me. If she spoke Welsh, then why didn't she just tell him the price in Welsh? This story is missing some details and I am left with the impression that the cashier should get he the most blame for this.

Maybe they don't really use numbers in Welsh.

I'm not being sarcastic, for all I know they don't.


Probably they use sheep or acorns or somesuch.
 
2012-12-28 09:19:20 PM

skinink: He should have done like all those asshole druids I ever met in EverQuest, and just kited the beers out of the store.
/Stop kiting my Mobs, you druid jerks!


Just as soon as you stop asking me for buffs and ports.
 
2012-12-28 09:19:29 PM
The Welsh make great grape juice. And jelly.
 
2012-12-28 09:32:03 PM
And Q'apla to you, too.
 
2012-12-28 09:38:34 PM
how about don't be a jerk and pay your farkin' bill. That usually works one's way well out of scrapes.

/Pagan, don't pester about the holidays just on Fark when the thread arises as it is wont to do every now and again
//pay for my smokes and iced tea in cash no questions asked and moves on with life
///there is a Swedish/Irish versing in hospitality, never deny a stranger you door. Why did this "arch-druid" forget, I wonder
 
2012-12-28 09:40:24 PM

Gyrfalcon: spawn73: Moriel: He said that the cashier spoke to him in Welsh until it came to pay. He had expected her to say 'pum-deg-wyth punt, chwedeg-dau', but instead she said the figure in English.

This is the part that confuses me. If she spoke Welsh, then why didn't she just tell him the price in Welsh? This story is missing some details and I am left with the impression that the cashier should get he the most blame for this.

Maybe they don't really use numbers in Welsh.

I'm not being sarcastic, for all I know they don't.

Probably they use sheep or acorns or somesuch.


I realise now that Welsh apparently has a way to say numbers (or they Welsh speakers could be making it up, bit hard to know).

But take the Inuits for example, they don't really have numbers beyond 3 or so, because their culture didn't need it. So basicly when asked how many fish they caught for instance, what they needed to convey was things like "none" or "alot", or concepts such as "plenty" or "enough".

Whenever an Inuit (from Greenland) speaks, he or she switches to Danish for numbers, and some other things like "computer", "car" etc. I just figured that was what the Welsh cashier was doing.

---

I guess the Welsh, with their druids and all, needed to make complex calculations regarding astronomy etc., so they must have had numbers prior to meeting the Romans and later the Germanic tribes.
 
2012-12-28 09:41:33 PM
The bloody Welsh. Kill the lot of them.
 
2012-12-28 09:46:32 PM
Anaal nathrak, uthvas bethud, do che-ol di-enve.
 
2012-12-28 09:48:36 PM

tillerman35: Anaal nathrak, uthvas bethud, do che-ol di-enve.


Sca-Pan-lish?
 
2012-12-28 09:54:56 PM
 
2012-12-28 10:04:15 PM

BarryJV: To slightly deviate from the thread, as demonstrated by the article, the Welsh numbering system is the most rational I've encountered.

In English, we count to nineteen before we adopt a more rational "Twenty - one, Twenty - two" etc. even then we have different names for each multiple of ten, each has to be learned separately. Only when we reach one hundred do we adopt a rational system of multiples.

In Spanish, they count to fifteen before moving on to dieciseis (ten - six) and they still have different names for each multiple of ten.

In Welsh there is a decimal system of numbers with numbers zero to ten. Eleven is "ten - one", thirty seven is "three tens - seven".

So:
'pum-deg-wyth punt,
is five tens - eight pounds

chwedeg-dau'
six tens two.

£58.62
Easy.

Surprising that the cashier didn't know how to translate that into Welsh as the language is taught as standard up to the age of 11 in all schools in Wales.


'pum-deg-wyth punt, chwedeg-dau'
or
fifty eight sixty two


I'm beginning to see why the farking language died
 
2012-12-28 10:10:05 PM
 
2012-12-28 10:20:01 PM

Wizard Drongo: bighairyguy: How do you say "total dick" in Welsh?

"English"

Cashier spoke to him in welsh the whole conversation, and then totalled in english (probably not a native speaker, and just read the numbers, automatically). An 83 year old guy in west wales might well even now not speak much english, or even any, so when he asked fr in in welsh and she refused, she was being a complete biatch.


Pretty much this.

I'm as pro-multicultural as the next guy, but there is something to be said for acknowledging that while culture may be something we can all adapt to, language is not. Even in the US, where we have no official language, there's no excuse for willfully refusing to learn or speak the language of majority when you are going to be in a customer service role. I'm not saying everyone has to learn English or some crap, but if you can't wrap your head around the f%$#ed up English language then maybe you shouldn't be stationed on the drive-through at the Jack-in-the-Box next to the movie theater. Similarly, if you don't wanna learn "onea thum furrenir languages", you probably aren't suited for work at the convenience store in the middle of the barrio.

This concept is pretty universal. If you're working the cash register at a Welsh grocery store and you can't do your entire job in Welsh, you should not be at that job.

Also....

images.tvrage.com

"No, not a chicken sandwich. I want a goddamn cheeseburger and some goddamn fries you f%$#ing Goobacks!"
 
2012-12-28 10:29:53 PM
i25.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-28 10:32:27 PM

Xetal: CygnusDarius: Was this druid wielding a sword?.

No, they're only able to wield non-metallic weapons, I believe. Let me consult the rulebook.


What about metallic clothing?  There are pictures of that guy wearing a lot of gold lamè.

Every time I read an article like this, it makes me want to learn Welsh.  Just because.
 
2012-12-28 10:42:22 PM
I guess he Welched on paying for the groceries.


{bada ching}
 
2012-12-28 10:46:52 PM
Let's try this in the correct thread, now.

i28.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-28 10:56:56 PM

tillerman35: Anaal nathrak, uthvas bethud, do che-ol di-enve.


That's good! Better than I ever did it. Careful! It can damage your beauty.


/for the uninitiated: the charm of making
 
2012-12-28 11:08:25 PM

BarryJV: To slightly deviate from the thread, as demonstrated by the article, the Welsh numbering system is the most rational I've encountered.

In English, we count to nineteen before we adopt a more rational "Twenty - one, Twenty - two" etc. even then we have different names for each multiple of ten, each has to be learned separately. Only when we reach one hundred do we adopt a rational system of multiples.

In Spanish, they count to fifteen before moving on to dieciseis (ten - six) and they still have different names for each multiple of ten.

In Welsh there is a decimal system of numbers with numbers zero to ten. Eleven is "ten - one", thirty seven is "three tens - seven".

So:
'pum-deg-wyth punt,
is five tens - eight pounds

chwedeg-dau'
six tens two.

£58.62
Easy.

.


Korean has a similar system. From 1 to 10, there are two sets of numbers, pure Korean and words borrowed from Chinese. Money is counted in the Chinese loan words.
1- -il
2--ee
3-sam
4--sa
5--oh
6-yook
7--chill
8--pal
9--koo
10--ship

Larger numbers are ordered like Welsh "number times 10 plus smaller number", so 20 is ee ship "2 10", 30 is "sam ship" and so on. 58.62 would be rendered as "oh ship pal pounds, yook ship ee pence" or "5 10s 8 , 6 10s 2"

The native Korean numbers are used for revealing your age and telling time. It's a complicated language.
 
2012-12-28 11:18:39 PM
What's the Welsh for "huge douche"?
 
2012-12-28 11:22:45 PM

Abner Doon: What's the Welsh for "huge douche"?


y jôc yn mynd yn hen
 
2012-12-28 11:25:58 PM

CygnusDarius: Xetal: RoyFokker'sGhost: Xetal: CygnusDarius: Was this druid wielding a sword?.

No, they're only able to wield non-metallic weapons, I believe. Let me consult the rulebook.

No, they're cleared for sickles and scimitars. Basically, anything with a curved blade.

Blast, it's been too long since I've played =(

As much as I love the D&D references, it's not the Druid I'm talking about. The Druid I'm talking about lives in Tempe Arizona.


Was it Moralltach or Fragarach?
 
2012-12-28 11:35:35 PM
What a REAL Archdruid might look like:
philipcarrgomm.druidry.org
Pretty ordinary dude actually
 
2012-12-29 12:06:10 AM

Moriel: He said that the cashier spoke to him in Welsh until it came to pay. He had expected her to say 'pum-deg-wyth punt, chwedeg-dau', but instead she said the figure in English.

This is the part that confuses me. If she spoke Welsh, then why didn't she just tell him the price in Welsh? This story is missing some details and I am left with the impression that the cashier should get he the most blame for this.


Maybe the cashier can only say things like "Hello. How are you?", "I'm fine.", "Please" and "Thank you" but never learned numbers.
 
2012-12-29 12:18:10 AM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Xetal: CygnusDarius: Was this druid wielding a sword?.

No, they're only able to wield non-metallic weapons, I believe. Let me consult the rulebook.

No, they're cleared for sickles and scimitars. Basically, anything with a curved blade.


Nowadays they get around the problem by making everything out of ironwood.
 
2012-12-29 12:23:26 AM

Hagbardr: RoyFokker'sGhost: Xetal: CygnusDarius: Was this druid wielding a sword?.

No, they're only able to wield non-metallic weapons, I believe. Let me consult the rulebook.

No, they're cleared for sickles and scimitars. Basically, anything with a curved blade.

Did you see those Druids from Wales? They've got curved swords. Curved. Swords.


I used to be a druid like you.  Then I took a sickle in the knee.
 
2012-12-29 12:36:23 AM
Well, YEAH... you punt on 4th down, unless you're feeling ballsy...

The rest of that is Greek to me. Nothing at all to do with football. As far as I know, anyway...
 
2012-12-29 12:51:02 AM
No one knows who they were, or what they were doing.
 
2012-12-29 12:54:51 AM
cache.gawker.com
Helo blant. Beth sy'n mynd ymlaen yn fan hyn.


/musha ring dumma do damma da , whack fol my daddy o
 
2012-12-29 01:07:04 AM
FTA: Dr Lewis says that he wanted to be answered 'in my own language, in my own country.'

This is clearly an outrageous demand.
 
2012-12-29 01:08:58 AM

justGreg: FTA: Dr Lewis says that he wanted to be answered 'in my own language, in my own country.'

This is clearly an outrageous demand.


English IS the language of Great Britain.
 
2012-12-29 01:18:39 AM
Sheriff Joe woulda finished this guy right off.
 
2012-12-29 01:26:20 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-29 01:32:08 AM
6d.img.v4.skyrock.net

"Diolch i chi, yn dod eto"
 
2012-12-29 01:48:18 AM
Anyone have the link for the clogging competition in welsh?
 
2012-12-29 02:23:44 AM

ArkAngel: Your language is dying, get over it.


I wonder how that is said in Mandarin?

/iechyd da!
 
2012-12-29 02:32:17 AM

Wizard Drongo: bighairyguy: How do you say "total dick" in Welsh?

"English"

Cashier spoke to him in welsh the whole conversation, and then totalled in english (probably not a native speaker, and just read the numbers, automatically). An 83 year old guy in west wales might well even now not speak much english, or even any, so when he asked fr in in welsh and she refused, she was being a complete biatch.

Though the real fail is reserved for the english wankers on the Daily Mail site, whining "but this is the UK, we all speak English", not realising that Gaelic is spoken in NI & Scotland, Scots in Scotland, Ulster Scots in NI, and Welsh in Wales. The English think they run/own everything, but they do get stroppy when you remind them they don't.
/ Sassenach bastards


CSB: Some time back, I was cycling in North Wales only a couple of hours west from Liverpool...maybe Ruthin, I think. As the weather was uncharacteristically dry, I wanted to camp somewhere and knocked on the door of a farmhouse with a nice big front yard. An old lady answered and I spent a minute explaining I was a Canadian on vacation and would they accept a small sum to allow me to tent there at night...no bathroom privileges required, etc. as I expected to hit a hostel the next day.

She looked increasingly alarmed as I spoke, and closed the door in my face. I heard "O-wain....OWAIN!" clearly. A middle-aged farmer appeared and explains his mother "did not have the English and how may I help you?"

The cadences and brief hesitations in his speech indicated that his English was saved for market days and maybe the odd "mixed" pub night.

I suspect there are far fewer unilingual Welsh speakers in North Wales, but there remain a hell of a lot of Welsh speakers in Wales.
 
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