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(Some Guy)   Sheriff Joe, realizing he's been out of the news cycle for a while, decides to send armed civilians roaming around schools looking for other armed civilians   (kyma.com) divider line 79
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2012-12-28 08:20:56 PM  
6 votes:

cantsleep: ongbok: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.

I'm going to go out on limb and say that absolutely nothing happens.


This.

Hate to interrupt the leftist circle jerk going on in this thread, but this is going to amount to a whole lot of nothing. The whole "blood running in the streets" this is beyond worn out. There's not going to be any mistaken identities, accidentally shot cops, students, or teachers. No gunning down of illegals.

And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

So despite this being "Sheriff Joe"...there really isn't that much of a story here. Some guys sitting in the school parking lots drinking coffee and....that's it. They happen to have guns on their belts. So what. I would bet most of you Farkers encounter someone with a CCW almost every day without even knowing it. Maybe it's that guy filling his tank up at the gas station in the morning. Maybe it was that mom in front of you in line at Wal-Mart. Maybe someone in that big group at Crapplebees was carrying. People carry guns. Nothing happens. If they're murderers, chances are they didn't go through the background check rigmarole to get a CCW license. But they're not, and nothing happens. They carry guns to go shopping and get gas and eat in resistant and pass you in the parking lot. Nothing happens. Get over it.
2012-12-28 05:12:18 PM  
5 votes:
And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now
2012-12-28 11:51:33 PM  
4 votes:

Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.


I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.
2012-12-28 07:00:16 PM  
4 votes:
Attention citizens:  If you're patrolling around a schoolyard with a gun, and you spot someone else with a gun, I recommend opening fire immediately.

/that oughta solve the problem
2012-12-28 09:57:14 PM  
3 votes:

way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.


But this is America. And in America we don't admit or show weakness.

There needs to be a cultural change in the way we view and treat mental disorders. There should be, but I doubt it. Even the outrage of a bunch of killed kids isn't enough to put a stop to the escalating Wild West sh*t that enables the absurd proliferation of guns.

We'll point fingers and shout angrily, maybe ban certain things just long enough to forget why we did at all. And nothing will change.
2012-12-28 09:31:02 PM  
3 votes:

Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?



Or that Fort Hood had a shiatload of MPs and hudreds of people trained in unarmed combat?
2012-12-28 08:06:37 PM  
3 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now


If he ain't white.
2012-12-28 08:05:17 PM  
3 votes:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.
2012-12-28 06:00:20 PM  
3 votes:
Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?
2012-12-28 04:57:35 PM  
3 votes:
These a-holes can't wait for an excuse to go shoot up sum 'illegals'. I hope the feds come in and finally put the banhammer down on these fascists.

And that shiatstain Tom Horne along with 'em.
2012-12-29 03:48:44 AM  
2 votes:
So if you want to kill kids in Maricopa county, all you have o do is volunteer to join the posse and the sheriff will allocate you a school? Wow, bright idea.
2012-12-28 10:16:25 PM  
2 votes:
This country has gone full retard
2012-12-28 10:02:20 PM  
2 votes:
I saw a gentleman with an AZ license plate the other day. His truck had bumper stickers that said "License to hunt liberals" and "License to hunt terrorists," tied together neatly with a shiny pair of truck nuts. I think that sums up that state rather concisely.
2012-12-28 09:52:34 PM  
2 votes:

pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".


The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.
2012-12-28 09:51:46 PM  
2 votes:

Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.


Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.
2012-12-28 09:11:07 PM  
2 votes:

shinji3i: Wolf_Blitzer: bigbadideasinaction: vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.

I'm waiting for concealed carry to be legal in some state like Mississippi and when the first mass shooting happens every black kid on campus ends up mistaken for the gunman.

If I were a billionaire any school with concealed or open carry would immediately get scholarships and endowments for students enrolled in the Islamic Student's marksman club. The clubhouse wouldn't have a gun safe so the students would have to be carrying them around campus. Maybe do something similar for African American students at historically white colleges too. I wonder how fast the school would create exception clauses for that.

While it would be awesome to demonstrate the gun-nut's hypocrisy, this plan also carries an extremely high risk of some poor kid getting shot.

Acceptable risk for the lulz that would be had.


I should have specified that if I were more of the evil billionaire sort, but I imagine those clubs would be shut down long before their doors open.

Alternative plans include wanting to spread "safe zones" by giving free guns to eligible urban folk living in areas bordering less urban dwellers. Meet the minimum legal requirements of your state, get a Glock, since clearly more guns would just spread the safety from the surrounding areas to there and I'm sure the neighboring residents would welcome the safety boost. Add some bonus endowments to Occupy protesters in states where it's legal carry as well. Free "Stand Your Ground" courses and legal aid in the appropriate states to the above as well.

Here's a shock to nobody - when rights are expanded for the less privileged, the privileged naturally resists them. When rights are expanded for the privileged, the first thing the privileged do is put up barriers to ensure only they get to benefit from it. Clearly people who can't normally afford or be convinced to have guns need incentives. For safety.
2012-12-28 08:26:15 PM  
2 votes:

taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid


There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.
2012-12-28 08:19:56 PM  
2 votes:
Are we going to have a pool on what the first incident will be?

Accidentally does a Treyvon Martin and kills a kid on entirely racist profiling.
Underage sex with a student or sexually assaulting a student.
Sells drugs or guns to students.
Assaults student or teacher over argument.
etc etc

If there is one, i'll like to put one in for: shoots up school in response to new gun legislations
2012-12-28 08:17:24 PM  
2 votes:
Armed schools prepare children for internment camps.
2012-12-28 08:17:20 PM  
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor Hispanic janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now


FTFY
2012-12-28 08:14:10 PM  
2 votes:

vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.


I'm waiting for concealed carry to be legal in some state like Mississippi and when the first mass shooting happens every black kid on campus ends up mistaken for the gunman.

If I were a billionaire any school with concealed or open carry would immediately get scholarships and endowments for students enrolled in the Islamic Student's marksman club. The clubhouse wouldn't have a gun safe so the students would have to be carrying them around campus. Maybe do something similar for African American students at historically white colleges too. I wonder how fast the school would create exception clauses for that.
2012-12-28 08:13:20 PM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


FTFY
2012-12-28 08:10:36 PM  
2 votes:

ongbok: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.


I'm going to go out on limb and say that absolutely nothing happens.
2012-12-28 05:28:29 PM  
2 votes:
What could possibly go wrong?
2012-12-29 03:20:18 AM  
1 votes:
For those of you not from Arizona, here's how it actually is in Maricopa County:

* No Democrats vote for Joe.
* No Republicans under 65 years of age vote for Joe. Whatever you may think of the GOP nationally, in Arizona they're more libertarian than fundamentalist, and are more pissed at the money Joe spends on slush and loses in lawsuits than they are interested in his "tough on crime" schtick.
* Joe goes into Sun City, east Mesa, and all the retirement communities and tells the blue-hairs that if he isn't re-elected Sheriff, he can't keep the darkies out of their neighborhoods.
* Retirees vote at a 99% rate in Maricopa County (the 1% are the ones who die in the bus on the way to the polls
* Sheriff Joe re-elected with a "mandate" from the people! Yee-haw! (Fires guns in the air a la Yosemite Sam)

This problem will go away, but sort of like when you're in a common feeder line and all four of the teller windows clear up at once so you know you had to wait the longest possible time for a four-station service window, it will be a question of whether Joe dies first, or the people who elect him die in sufficient numbers first. And once we've waited the longest possible time for either of those two to happen, they'll both kind of happen at the same time and finally Joe will not be re-elected. Over/under says 2022 (he will stand for re-election in each Presidential election year).

/The More You Know(Tm)
2012-12-29 02:20:15 AM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.

To be fair, Arpaio is kind of case-in-point for law officers sometimes being up to no good and citizens needing to be allowed legal recourse to defend themselves form the cops beyond trying to find other cops that aren't engaged in illegal activity.

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one.

Most home-scale first aid kits have an epi-pen, and you should not carry a defibrillator because you're far more likely to kill someone with it than you are shooting a gun at them. People survive getting shot all the time, some dumbass stopping their heart because they're using a surgical tool when they have no diagnostic expertise not so much.

On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.


You have no idea what a defibrillator is, do you?

Also, where can you get a first aid kit with an epipen? Especially considering that epipens require a prescription (at least in the US).
2012-12-29 01:47:52 AM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


I hate to tell you this Binky Boy. Sheriff Nickle Bag Joe only won by 51%. That's a very narrow victory. If Sheriff Joe hadn't gone so low to falsely accuse Penzone for being a wife beater, Sheriff Joe would have lost the election. There is something wrong when you have to lie to get points.

BTW I voted for Penzone.
2012-12-29 12:50:53 AM  
1 votes:

ds_4815: Securitywyrm: You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.

Is that meant to be alarming, xenophobic, or just straight-up retarded?

2012-12-29 12:42:40 AM  
1 votes:
Dear Phoenix Farkers,

If Sheriff A-Hole goes through with this please, for the love of comedy, call the local police and report that you have seen a shady looking person hanging around a local school! Oh, and be sure to video tape it, post it to YouTube, and submit it here on Fark! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!


Sincerely,
Mock26.

2012-12-29 12:20:17 AM  
1 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
2012-12-28 10:42:30 PM  
1 votes:

CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?


Old, scared and white. Three little words that cover all the bases.
2012-12-28 10:40:51 PM  
1 votes:
i28.photobucket.com
2012-12-28 10:37:41 PM  
1 votes:

whatshisname: I heard an interview with Sheriff Joe on CBC last week. He could barely understand simple questions, much less answer them coherently.


Just like Jan Brewer. They're being controlled by much larger racist people in the background that tell them to shut up about everything. That's why they can't form their own opinions. Their southern bosses tell them 'Don't answer their questions, they just want a soundbite.' They're puppets.

They're driven by pure hatred and anger because they can't stand having a black president. So they're going after powerless immigrants that can't fight back.

They know better than to go after black people anymore.
2012-12-28 10:06:16 PM  
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.


Funny how the Klu Klux Klan was such a strong supporter of gun control. Wonder why that was... oh right. Because it's hard to lynch someone who can defend themselves against a mob. You must be white.
2012-12-28 10:03:02 PM  
1 votes:

Alleyoop: From the sound of the headline, Subby wants the sheriff to do nothing to safeguard the children.


He could always start investigating the sexual assaults and serving the felony warrants that he currently ignores.  That is far more likely to help the kids in Maricopa County than having his elderly buddies wander around schools.
2012-12-28 09:58:50 PM  
1 votes:

Securitywyrm: The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.


See, you read a John Lott Article and you almost  quoted him verbatim.  Too bad both of you are misguided.  There are 4 theaters close to where Holmes lived, the Century 16, Cinema Latino, the Cinema Grill and the Harkins Theater at Northfield Stapleton.  Cinema Grill is a small theater that does not do midnight showings.  The Harkins theater was 6 miles and 13 minutes away.  I know nothing about Cinema Latino.  The Century 16 was 3 miles and 7 minutes away.  Also, Lott said 20 minutes, not 20 miles.  20 miles from Holmes' house would be probably 80% of the theaters in the Denver  metro area, which have varying policies regarding weapons.

Also the other theaters within a 20 minute drive of Holmes apartment are all 20 minutes away in perfect conditions.  The AMC 8 in Cherry Creek is 19 minutes in perfect conditions at best.  John Lott, as he does, is fudging his stats to back his conclusion.  There are other theaters within 20 minutes of the 80010 zip code (which is how he came up with his "stat"), but they are not that close to the shooters apartment.

He went to the closest theater.

/And don't get me started on Lott's claim that that was a low crime area.
2012-12-28 09:51:21 PM  
1 votes:
"Armed Volunteers" is all we to know here. He is just borrowing from LaPierre's first public commentary after the children were gunned down for just showing up at school. The head of the NRA suggested that they could provide voluteers to protect schools. Now- I am not here to debate gun laws- I believe that the we need to address our mental health system. But for the head of the NRA to offer up volunteers- really? I guess this is just right up Sheriff Joe's alley. I live in the deep south- so guns are all around. Ostensibly weilded by upstanding law abiding citizens. Some of these people are personal friends of mine. Most of these friends of mine should not be allowed to volunteer to "protect" a school. Unless of course we would like to see some sensless hairtrigger shootem' ups.
2012-12-28 09:43:28 PM  
1 votes:

mr intrepid: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

Ya know, I always wondered about that. Do the "snowbirds" vote locally AND via absentee ballots from their homes? If they do, isn't that .....wait for it.....voter fraud?


As I understand it, they are allowed to vote. I suspect this is because they tend to vote Republican and the state reps are also Republicans. This is merely conjecture, but would be unsurprising.
2012-12-28 09:42:26 PM  
1 votes:

Flappyhead: Securitywyrm:

Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Awww, is the big scawy gubment monster hiding in your closet again?


Maybe he went to Kent State.
2012-12-28 09:39:43 PM  
1 votes:

mr intrepid: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

Ya know, I always wondered about that. Do the "snowbirds" vote locally AND via absentee ballots from their homes? If they do, isn't that .....wait for it.....voter fraud?


Yes.
2012-12-28 09:35:38 PM  
1 votes:

pxlboy: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'

Those exposed to guns at a younger age are more comfortable than those who are not. Some people are afraid of them, even unnaturally so. That said, I've owned pistols and am not afraid to keep and shoot one. But I also never got a CCW permit because I wasn't comfortable carrying one on my person. I feel that it can lead to self-fulfilling prophecy with regards to gun violence.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.


Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.
2012-12-28 09:32:01 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: Mad_Radhu: You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

You're confusing lack of morality with lack of intelligence or forethought. Try to actually research school shootings before spouting off like that. Most of them show some form of planning on the part of the shooter. A lot of planning actually. True, the shooters are sociopaths with totally broken sense of right and wrong. But that doesn't turn them into blithering idiots who can't tie their shoes. Many school shooters have had above average IQs. Looking at the steps they took to prepare for their crimes shows most put a fair amount of thought into it. Bringing backpacks of magazines and multiple weapons like Cho, waiting til the School Resource Officer was on his lunch break like at Columbine, the two kids who set up snipers nests and the pulled the fire alarms so they could take shots at the kids who came outside in groups. Terrible evil acts, but planned calculated acts nonetheless.


What I am saying is that the school shootings happened at the schools because that is where the people that they wanted to take their anger out at were located, so the armed guards will do little to deter them. These individuals want to act out their revenge fantasies and go out in a hail of gunfire. The threat of lethal force isn't going to deter someone who has basically decided to commit suicide.
2012-12-28 09:31:20 PM  
1 votes:
Sorry, but all you farkin' apologists for facism need to check the demograph for Maricopa county. It's about as main stream as you can get in the South West, so don't go blaming all the snow birds, or the reitred fark jobs, or the veteran asswipes. The trouble with Maricopa county IS Maricopa county. Too much dick sucking or corn holing going on down there that turns a boy's thought to fascist bullying. Nothing more, nothing less. They are just bad people, who thrive off electing a qualified Neanderthal to keep those who aren't sociapathic by nature in there place. The only thing they love more than regular butt-buddies is news coverage of their homophobic vitriol. Looks like we made 'em happy again.
2012-12-28 09:29:56 PM  
1 votes:

Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?


Whether they did or not is irrelevant to what happened. Anyone determined enough to pull something like that off will do so. The Ft. Hood shooter is an example of this.
2012-12-28 09:28:05 PM  
1 votes:

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'


Those exposed to guns at a younger age are more comfortable than those who are not. Some people are afraid of them, even unnaturally so. That said, I've owned pistols and am not afraid to keep and shoot one. But I also never got a CCW permit because I wasn't comfortable carrying one on my person. I feel that it can lead to self-fulfilling prophecy with regards to gun violence.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.
2012-12-28 09:27:42 PM  
1 votes:

pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?


How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?
2012-12-28 09:27:21 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-12-28 09:24:35 PM  
1 votes:

Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.


The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'
2012-12-28 09:17:37 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that, of the four airliners hijacked on 9-11, the only one prevented from hitting its intended target was stopped by "amateurs". Not cops. Not military. Not politicians. Ironic, considering the fact that all four were targeted at places where people generally touch their selves whilst dreaming of the ideal police state.
2012-12-28 09:16:45 PM  
1 votes:
There's a federal Gun-Free School Zones Act, Joe. Does being in a "posse" make a civilian into a bona fide "law enforcement officer"? Do the schools agree to establish a program allowing these civilians to be armed within 1,000 feet of the school grounds?
2012-12-28 09:14:16 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.


He's against it when he's in uniform, but for it when he's the one home alone and the Feds are kicking in his door on some kind of bogus warrant, but he's against it again when his totally upright and honest deputies are serving a completely honest warrant on scumbag illegal alien drug dealers, but for it again when a good American citizen has to defend against some n*gger, er, criminal pretending to be a "cop" does a home invasion.

He's pretty flexible that way.
2012-12-28 09:10:28 PM  
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.


You're confusing lack of morality with lack of intelligence or forethought. Try to actually research school shootings before spouting off like that. Most of them show some form of planning on the part of the shooter. A lot of planning actually. True, the shooters are sociopaths with totally broken sense of right and wrong. But that doesn't turn them into blithering idiots who can't tie their shoes. Many school shooters have had above average IQs. Looking at the steps they took to prepare for their crimes shows most put a fair amount of thought into it. Bringing backpacks of magazines and multiple weapons like Cho, waiting til the School Resource Officer was on his lunch break like at Columbine, the two kids who set up snipers nests and the pulled the fire alarms so they could take shots at the kids who came outside in groups. Terrible evil acts, but planned calculated acts nonetheless.
2012-12-28 09:10:06 PM  
1 votes:
Joe makes publicity whore announcement
School Superintendent says FARK NO!
Joe Arrests superintendent and places crazy old guys with guns there anyway
Parents and Superintendent Sue the county
Everyone profits except the  taxpayer
2012-12-28 09:09:43 PM  
1 votes:

Indubitably: taurusowner: The funny thing about all of this is that guns out of school is actually a pretty new thing, becoming common only in the past 30 years or so. UP to the 50's and 60's students and teachers having firearms in school was commonplace. Students would bring hunting guns in and leave them in their lockers or cars so that they can catch as much hunting time as possible after school. Boy Scout troops would teach young children on .22lr rifles, often using school ranges. There were even shooting teams. My old high school actually has a 4 lane 25 yard range in the basement. It's since been converted to storage, but it got used for the school marksmanship team in the 60s. You don't gotta take my word for it, go ahead and ask you parents or grandparents about it sometime. Sure, every single kid didn't do it in every single school. But a lot did. I would be that if you went to a retirement home or had a chance to talk to a handful of elderly people, you would hear a story or two about hunting after school with guns they locked in the principal's office during class. It's only in the past few decades where the idea of a firearm coming near school property became shocking.

And where was electricity and tablets of knowledge then, m8?>


The 24 hour news cycle is what. Events or people that might remain otherwise unknown to stew in their own crazy are now thrust on to the public stage for all to see and hear.
2012-12-28 09:07:56 PM  
1 votes:

Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.


So how come you never see mass shootings at gun shows?
2012-12-28 09:06:05 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid


You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.
2012-12-28 09:05:44 PM  
1 votes:
The funny thing about all of this is that guns out of school is actually a pretty new thing, becoming common only in the past 30 years or so. UP to the 50's and 60's students and teachers having firearms in school was commonplace. Students would bring hunting guns in and leave them in their lockers or cars so that they can catch as much hunting time as possible after school. Boy Scout troops would teach young children on .22lr rifles, often using school ranges. There were even shooting teams. My old high school actually has a 4 lane 25 yard range in the basement. It's since been converted to storage, but it got used for the school marksmanship team in the 60s. You don't gotta take my word for it, go ahead and ask you parents or grandparents about it sometime. Sure, every single kid didn't do it in every single school. But a lot did. I would be that if you went to a retirement home or had a chance to talk to a handful of elderly people, you would hear a story or two about hunting after school with guns they locked in the principal's office during class. It's only in the past few decades where the idea of a firearm coming near school property became shocking.
2012-12-28 09:02:30 PM  
1 votes:

gingerjet: illannoyin: It's neither a new idea nor an irrational one...

Completely disagree.  Arming schools is irrational in any civilized society.  It also doesn't work.  By the time whomever is armed figures out that something is going on - the damage has already been done.  And Clinton supported a number of mind boggling stupid things over the years so holding him up as an example doesn't help your argument.


I'm sure it will work out as well as the repeal of Glass-Steagall did.
2012-12-28 09:00:26 PM  
1 votes:

Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

To rumor

P.S. Rumor is gossip. Gossip is rumor. Grow up.


Why the insult? I stated outright that it is possibly a rumor. I don't have some kind of an inside track on the DoJ.

No need to be so rude.
2012-12-28 08:49:01 PM  
1 votes:

Teufelaffe: cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]

Logic dictates, that if more guns made people safer, the United States would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world.


It's almost as if complex social issues are irreducibly complex... and any attempts to reduce it to one variable would be foolish at best, retarded at worst.
2012-12-28 08:45:15 PM  
1 votes:
Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..
2012-12-28 08:43:49 PM  
1 votes:
If you oppose my plan to put bombs throughout schools to protect our children, you are just a liberal leftist pussy. Explosives are nothing to be afraid of and have no inherent ability to kill by themselves.
2012-12-28 08:42:26 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: Was there a joke or meme in there I didn't get?


Yes but you seem a little slow anyways so it's okay.
2012-12-28 08:40:42 PM  
1 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com

Sheriff Joe never found a moment he couldn't grandstand from for all its worth.
2012-12-28 08:39:41 PM  
1 votes:
cant wait until he uses his prisoners to protect the kids
2012-12-28 08:38:40 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: YouWinAgainGravity: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

Would you like to purchase one of these special rocks from me? They will protect you from tiger attacks. The rocks are even armed with guns.

Was there a joke or meme in there I didn't get?


His point, and its a good one, is that mass shootings are so statistically rare that you can't point to anything as having "prevented" one with any degree of credibility.

There haven't been any sasquatch attacks at Utah universities, either. Clearly, high concentrations of Mormons are proof against bigfoot.
2012-12-28 08:37:49 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: So despite this being "Sheriff Joe"...there really isn't that much of a story here. Some guys sitting in the school parking lots drinking coffee and....that's it. They happen to have guns on their belts. So what. I would bet most of you Farkers encounter someone with a CCW almost every day without even knowing it. Maybe it's that guy filling his tank up at the gas station in the morning. Maybe it was that mom in front of you in line at Wal-Mart. Maybe someone in that big group at Crapplebees was carrying. People carry guns. Nothing happens. If they're murderers, chances are they didn't go through the background check rigmarole to get a CCW license. But they're not, and nothing happens. They carry guns to go shopping and get gas and eat in resistant and pass you in the parking lot. Nothing happens. Get over it.


I happen to agree with you.  But I also think its pretty fark'd up that putting armed men and women in schools is considered a rational response to the recent incident.
2012-12-28 08:37:27 PM  
1 votes:
He never talked to his people
He never talked to the schools
Even Horne backed off his postion and wanted the legislature to fund the SROs again.

My son's school still has an armed SRO, I dropped brownies off to him before Christmas.

Arpiao is a publicity whore.
2012-12-28 08:33:39 PM  
1 votes:
Man, it surely must be a living Hell trying to exist in places where rightwingers rule. The posturing of dangerous cretins like this make me wish the Mayans were right.
2012-12-28 08:31:37 PM  
1 votes:
Sheriff Joe doing something 100% absolutely moronic....

i1274.photobucket.com

I really hate this guy.
2012-12-28 08:29:51 PM  
1 votes:
Nothing to worry about. Most of the volunteers are priests and Boy Scout troop leaders.
2012-12-28 08:25:31 PM  
1 votes:
Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?
2012-12-28 08:24:07 PM  
1 votes:

cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]


Logic dictates, that if more guns made people safer, the United States would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world.
2012-12-28 08:11:40 PM  
1 votes:
Doing crazy shiat > press release
2012-12-28 08:08:30 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


The scared, old, white people who keep voting for him.

Odds that most of the people searched will be brownish of tint?
2012-12-28 07:15:51 PM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


No, the blue hairs and mormons do. Goddamnitsomuch ....
Also he got a ton of money from outside sources this past election.
2012-12-28 06:41:34 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.


I'm pretty sure Joe WANTS to shoot namby pamby sissy cops who don't even run unlawful prison labor camps.
2012-12-28 05:00:16 PM  
1 votes:
I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.
2012-12-28 04:53:48 PM  
1 votes:
The Wild West Revival TM mentality is gathering momentum? Greeeeeeeeat.
 
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