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2012-12-28 11:01:08 PM

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'


What a big, scary world you live in. I don't know how you make it out your front door without either pissing yourself or shooting the paperboy.

Seriously, this ain't the Wild West, no matter how much you wish it was. All this crap about "taking responsibility" is just another gun nut wanting to feel big.
 
2012-12-28 11:01:55 PM

IlGreven: sheep snorter: Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?

Yup, look at all these non-white mass murderers:

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I believe this is what the librul media would denote as "swarthy".

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We all know that that is not a natural hair color for a real Murcan. He must be Puerto Rican.

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Sodini? Don't sound Murcan enough. Is it French, or is it Italian? Perhaps Fritalian?

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Now here's a real Murcan who didn't shoot up nobody that din't deserve it. All he did was bring God back to the church.


Nevar forget 4/19/1995.

/Link
 
2012-12-28 11:05:41 PM

ski9600: IlGreven: sheep snorter: Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?

Yup, look at all these non-white mass murderers:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x250]

I believe this is what the librul media would denote as "swarthy".

[upload.wikimedia.org image 217x224]

We all know that that is not a natural hair color for a real Murcan. He must be Puerto Rican.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 150x222]

Sodini? Don't sound Murcan enough. Is it French, or is it Italian? Perhaps Fritalian?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 215x213]

Now here's a real Murcan who didn't shoot up nobody that din't deserve it. All he did was bring God back to the church.

Nevar forget 4/19/1995.

/Link


//Grow your own content, man.
 
2012-12-28 11:13:05 PM

BSABSVR: CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?

I have family in Maricopa County.  My stepfather and most of his buddies think he's great because he pisses off the liberals and he's the one guy willing to not be PC (their words, from a discussion on Christmas eve).  My grandmother and her husband feel like he's the only law enforcement official in the country who takes illegal immigration seriously.  My step-sister thinks he's an attention whore and a crook, but still isn't gonna vote for a Democrat for dogcatcher.


As I said, I have both conservative and liberal views (politely arguing when invited to your Thanksgiving dinner because I don't want anyone to take away my gravy), but I will align myself with your grandmother and step-sister.  And the rest of your family... I have a knife!!!
 
2012-12-28 11:14:46 PM

CorpusDelicti: BSABSVR: CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?

I have family in Maricopa County.  My stepfather and most of his buddies think he's great because he pisses off the liberals and he's the one guy willing to not be PC (their words, from a discussion on Christmas eve).  My grandmother and her husband feel like he's the only law enforcement official in the country who takes illegal immigration seriously.  My step-sister thinks he's an attention whore and a crook, but still isn't gonna vote for a Democrat for dogcatcher.

As I said, I have both conservative and liberal views (politely arguing when invited to your Thanksgiving dinner because I don't want anyone to take away my gravy), but I will align myself with your grandmother and step-sister.  And the rest of your family... I have a knife!!!


I don't need a knife...
 
2012-12-28 11:28:20 PM
I've decided that I like Sheriff Joe because he pisses off so many aholes...
 
2012-12-28 11:33:41 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'

What a big, scary world you live in. I don't know how you make it out your front door without either pissing yourself or shooting the paperboy.

Seriously, this ain't the Wild West, no matter how much you wish it was. All this crap about "taking responsibility" is just another gun nut wanting to feel big.


I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.
 
2012-12-28 11:37:24 PM

stoli n coke: Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?


Or that Fort Hood had a shiatload of MPs and hudreds of people trained in unarmed combat?


Yes, Ft. Hood had tons of guns and ammo and M1 Abrams and Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Apaches and all sorts of other weapons. They also had a ton of battle hardened Infantryman who knew how to engage an enemy and had been in actual combat situations where they probably wouldn't have frozen up given the chance to defend themselves. But you know what point is that you idiots seem to be missing? The fact that none of those soldiers - those combat veterans - were allowed, or are still allowed, to carry privately owned firearms on post. When I was stationed there (1/9 CAV - 91-94), I had to check my firearms with the company armorer whenever I came back to post where I had them out. And keep in mind that I was there - actually I was 4 blocks away from the restaurant at the time - when the Luby's massacre happened. That was the really the kicker for CCW being allowed in Texas, and it's funny how it hasn't really happened in Texas since then, until Ft. Hood.

So thank you for clearly making the point that even battle trained soldiers are pretty worthless against a would-be killer when they aren't allowed to carry their weapons. You farking moran.
 
2012-12-28 11:39:42 PM

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'

What a big, scary world you live in. I don't know how you make it out your front door without either pissing yourself or shooting the paperboy.

Seriously, this ain't the Wild West, no matter how much you wish it was. All this crap about "taking responsibility" is just another gun nut wanting to feel big.

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.


Want to be on my new TV Show?   Its called, "Paranoid Schizophrenics say the Darnedest Things."
 
2012-12-28 11:51:33 PM

Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.


I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.
 
2012-12-29 12:04:07 AM

Godscrack: whatshisname: I heard an interview with Sheriff Joe on CBC last week. He could barely understand simple questions, much less answer them coherently.

Just like Jan Brewer. They're being controlled by much larger racist people in the background that tell them to shut up about everything. That's why they can't form their own opinions. Their southern bosses tell them 'Don't answer their questions, they just want a soundbite.' They're puppets.

They're driven by pure hatred and anger because they can't stand having a black president. So they're going after powerless immigrants that can't fight back.

They know better than to go after black people anymore.


I didn't get the impression that he was being controlled. Just that he had the IQ of a toaster, and was maybe less eloquent.
 
2012-12-29 12:09:58 AM

taurusowner: So what. I would bet most of you Farkers encounter someone with a CCW almost every day without even knowing it. Maybe it's that guy filling his tank up at the gas station in the morning. Maybe it was that mom in front of you in line at Wal-Mart. Maybe someone in that big group at Crapplebees was carrying. People carry guns. Nothing happens.


If you see a 5'7" slightly crazy looking guy with glasses around the Petersburg VA area, he and his Steyr 9mm (that so far has not left from it's holster and started blasting death) say 'Hi'

He kinda looks like this
 
2012-12-29 12:10:34 AM

Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.


To be fair, Arpaio is kind of case-in-point for law officers sometimes being up to no good and citizens needing to be allowed legal recourse to defend themselves form the cops beyond trying to find other cops that aren't engaged in illegal activity.

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one.


Most home-scale first aid kits have an epi-pen, and you should not carry a defibrillator because you're far more likely to kill someone with it than you are shooting a gun at them. People survive getting shot all the time, some dumbass stopping their heart because they're using a surgical tool when they have no diagnostic expertise not so much.

On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.
 
2012-12-29 12:15:00 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.

I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.


Statistically, the one most likely to be killed by your car is you.
You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.
 
2012-12-29 12:20:17 AM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2012-12-29 12:21:51 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.


The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.
 
2012-12-29 12:24:55 AM

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.

I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.

Statistically, the one most likely to be killed by your car is you.
You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.


Or Serbian, or Swiss, or Iraqi...you do realize that the United States has the most guns per capita on Earth, right? We're not exactly inches away from having almost no guns.  FYI, Britain is in 88th place.
 
2012-12-29 12:29:34 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


It's more like the elderly residents of Idaho, Montana, North Dakota and a bunch of other cold states who have winter homes in Maricopa and vote in both their home state and AZ approve of this.

Also the residents of Maricopa who have summer homes in cold states like Idaho and Montana.

You can tell who they are in Maricopa. They're the ones with out of state plates because registering your car in AZ is about half a mortgage payment.

We need voter ID laws - cross-referenced with other states to prevent double-voting.
 
2012-12-29 12:39:46 AM

Securitywyrm: You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.


Is that meant to be alarming, xenophobic, or just straight-up retarded?
 
2012-12-29 12:39:53 AM
What a member of Joe's armed volunteer posse may look like:

rollingout.com

/sure they will be sick and tired of them Hispanic kids terrorizing the good White kids
 
2012-12-29 12:40:16 AM

vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.


He's wong
 
2012-12-29 12:41:14 AM

iheartscotch: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him

Partly that; but, the last few serious opponents he's had have suffered some very embarrassing political incedents close to election time.

/ it's all very unfortunate for them


I moved away years ago, but the last time I voted against Arpaio I don't even remember his opponent in the general election. All I remember is he was not Arpaio.

I do however remember his opponent in the primary - Dan Saban. Yep, Saban used to be a Republican and during the run up to the GOP primary Arpaio launched an "investigation" into an incident that occurred 25 years earlier.

That;'s right folks, all of a sudden Sheriff Joke decided to issue press releases that he was investigating his opponent for RAPING HIS MOTHER back in 1969. There wasn't any evidence and even if there was it was beyond the statute of limitations. After splashing it all over the headlines for a couple of weeks (Arpaio has relatives who run the local press) it was announced that the investigation was being turned over to Pima County's sheriff who looked at it and promptly dropped it (pointing out that neither was there any evidence, but it was well beyond the statute of limitations).
 
2012-12-29 12:42:40 AM
Dear Phoenix Farkers,

If Sheriff A-Hole goes through with this please, for the love of comedy, call the local police and report that you have seen a shady looking person hanging around a local school! Oh, and be sure to video tape it, post it to YouTube, and submit it here on Fark! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!


Sincerely,
Mock26.

 
2012-12-29 12:43:17 AM

Dimensio: Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.

The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.


Try these on for size then:

Richard Poplawski - Shot and killed 3 cops. (2009)
Michael McLendon - Shot and killed 10 people and himself (2009)
Carey H. Dyess - Shot and killed 5 people and himself (2011)
Omar Thornton - 9 dead, including himself. (2010)
Gerardo Regalado - 5 dead, including himself. (2010)
Christopher Speight - 8 dead. (2010)

That's just some...there's even more. So, do we want to keep pretending that CCW holders don't have at least the same potential to be mass murderers as other people,?
 
2012-12-29 12:50:53 AM

ds_4815: Securitywyrm: You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.

Is that meant to be alarming, xenophobic, or just straight-up retarded?

 
2012-12-29 12:54:28 AM

Securitywyrm: I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.


Who says? I have real things to worry about. Why would I need to take part in your testosterone-laden fantasy world?
 
2012-12-29 12:56:31 AM

ski9600: Apos: I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.

Maybe Tucson or Flagsaff would suit. I'm going to Tucson and we're planning a trip to see some stuff up in Phoenix, I'm going to be darn sure we don't get lost or something.


Please don't, got enough left leaning tools from California that flooded here over the last decade. You probably wouldn't like it anyway, tons of concealed carrying individuals here, licensed and not licensed.
 
2012-12-29 12:57:42 AM

taurusowner: They carry guns to go shopping and get gas and eat in restaurants and pass you in the parking lot.


You're not exactly helping the "gun owners != paranoid" argument.
 
2012-12-29 12:58:33 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: If the 2nd Amendment is about keeping citizen militias ready to oust a tyrant, why is Arpaio still in office? It's not like there's a shortage of armed citizens in AZ.


Because people like him. As stated by someone earlier its not the snowbird myth that keeps him in office.
 
2012-12-29 01:02:36 AM

Jim_Callahan: Most home-scale first aid kits have an epi-pen, and you should not carry a defibrillator because you're far more likely to kill someone with it than you are shooting a gun at them. People survive getting shot all the time, some dumbass stopping their heart because they're using a surgical tool when they have no diagnostic expertise not so much.

On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.


You mean people shouldn't be carrying around instruments that carry an extreme risk of harm to themselves or others without extensive training? You've sold me.

There are various surveys out there that try to estimate "defensive gun use" when rounds aren't fired, and their results differ by orders of magnitude, meaning they're statistically worthless. The hard numbers we do have are about 200 justifiable firearm homicides in the US per year, versus about 10,000 murders. Seems balanced to me.
 
2012-12-29 01:04:47 AM
Can somebody just shoot this scumbag in the face already..

There needs to be more killings of thugs like arpaio in this country.

Also the phelps clan and grover norquist.

If someone has repeatedly proved themselves to be evil or treasonous then shoot them.


I would love to see an armed posse go to oos house and arpaios house and rain some hell.
 
2012-12-29 01:06:14 AM
Oh look, it's the thread where everyone imagines that crazed shooters are in reality sane, logical people driven by understandable agendas, while rationally motivated criminals are merely lunatics who arrive at random spots and start wildly gunning down everyone in sight; and everyone who owns a firearm and has a CCW card is a Tier One scout-sniper who can pick out the eye of a gnat at 1500 yards under fire.
 
2012-12-29 01:14:55 AM

Teufelaffe: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.

I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.

Statistically, the one most likely to be killed by your car is you.
You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.

Or Serbian, or Swiss, or Iraqi...you do realize that the United States has the most guns per capita on Earth, right? We're not exactly inches away from having almost no guns.  FYI, Britain is in 88th place.


Tell you what. You can have a gun, but you're not allowed to own ammunition. There we go, nice safe world!
Grow up.
 
2012-12-29 01:14:58 AM
He's beaten EVERY bogus lawsuit and investigation they've thrown at him and crime is going down in Arizona at twice the national rate.

He's doing it right,
 
2012-12-29 01:15:48 AM
Sheriff Joe, what a tool.
Nope, not going to Arizona - If Joe Tool keeps getting elected I wonder whats going on there.  Must be a pretttyy vi-o-lent place.  Not some where I'd want to vacation much less buy a home.
 
2012-12-29 01:18:26 AM

Teufelaffe: Dimensio: Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.

The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.

Try these on for size then:

Richard Poplawski - Shot and killed 3 cops. (2009)
Michael McLendon - Shot and killed 10 people and himself (2009)
Carey H. Dyess - Shot and killed 5 people and himself (2011)
Omar Thornton - 9 dead, including himself. (2010)
Gerardo Regalado - 5 dead, including himself. (2010)
Christopher Speight - 8 dead. (2010)

That's just some...there's even more. So, do we want to keep pretending that CCW holders don't have at least the same potential to be mass murderers as other people,?


I am "pretending" nothing, though I am aware that the report of Gerardo Regalado holding a concealed weapons permit is not corroborated by authoritative sources (I have not investigated the other individuals). I am stating only that Mambo Bananapatch lied.
 
2012-12-29 01:23:03 AM

dropdfun: ski9600: Apos: I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.

Maybe Tucson or Flagsaff would suit. I'm going to Tucson and we're planning a trip to see some stuff up in Phoenix, I'm going to be darn sure we don't get lost or something.

Please don't, got enough left leaning tools from California that flooded here over the last decade. You probably wouldn't like it anyway, tons of concealed carrying individuals here, licensed and not licensed.


And where are you from?

In all the time I lived in Maricopa I never met anyone who was actually born in AZ.

I'm not worried about the concealed carriers in AZ, but I still am freaked out by some of the people who exercise their right to open carry. The first time I saw it I was in a convenience store and the guy waiting patiently in line in front of me had an AK47 some sort of handgun in a holster. My first thought was something like "Oh shiat, I just walked in on a convenience store robbery. I'll just get in line behind the robber."

It really boggles my mind how someone thinks they should take a handgun with them when they go to buy a bottled water or a Big Gulp or whatever it was he bought (I don't remember).  This was in the middle of the day in a decent neighborhood with not a whole lot of crime.

Overall, AZ is a nice place. I hesitate to say this as I don't want it more overrun than it is, but the desert is beautiful. You get used to the heat very quickly and when people say "but it's a dry heat", it's not a farking joke. Give me 120 degrees and 20% humidity over 95 degrees and 95% humidity any time.

Besides, if it's too hot, you can always stay inside (unless your job requires you to work outside in which case it's probably better than Mexico or Guatemala which is where you'd probably be from).

Phoenix (and surrounding suburbs) isn't paradise but any big city has some crime and some shiatty neighborhoods.
 
2012-12-29 01:31:07 AM

Teufelaffe: Dimensio: Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.

The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.

Try these on for size then:

Richard Poplawski - Shot and killed 3 cops. (2009)
Michael McLendon - Shot and killed 10 people and himself (2009)
Carey H. Dyess - Shot and killed 5 people and himself (2011)
Omar Thornton - 9 dead, including himself. (2010)
Gerardo Regalado - 5 dead, including himself. (2010)
Christopher Speight - 8 dead. (2010)

That's just some...there's even more. So, do we want to keep pretending that CCW holders don't have at least the same potential to be mass murderers as other people,?


I have further researched your list. Omar Thornton lived in Connecticut, which issues concealed weapons permits on a "may issue" basis. No credible source has confirmed that Mr. Thornton had been issued such a permit.

You are evidently deriving your data from the Violence Policy Center, which is known to rely upon demonstrably dishonest claims: http://maint.ssrn.com/?abstract_id=2095754 (note that the link is currently down, but it will be restored when maintenance is finished).
 
2012-12-29 01:46:30 AM

STRYPERSWINE: He's beaten EVERY bogus lawsuit and investigation they've thrown at him and crime is going down in Arizona at twice the national rate.

He's doing it right,


Actually, the MCSO has lost numerous lawsuits at significant expense to taxpayers and I'm going to request a citation for your claim about crime going down at twice the national rate.

Crime has been going down all over the country for the last couple of decades. The reasons are too complex for me to even grasp it all, but I'm sure there are a variety of reasons for that. I'm certain Sheriff Joke is not responsible.
 
2012-12-29 01:47:52 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


I hate to tell you this Binky Boy. Sheriff Nickle Bag Joe only won by 51%. That's a very narrow victory. If Sheriff Joe hadn't gone so low to falsely accuse Penzone for being a wife beater, Sheriff Joe would have lost the election. There is something wrong when you have to lie to get points.

BTW I voted for Penzone.
 
2012-12-29 01:48:12 AM

STRYPERSWINE: He's beaten EVERY bogus lawsuit and investigation they've thrown at him


Sorry, I just realized you only mentioned the "bogus" lawsuits. That is to suggest that the lawsuits he lost were not bogus.

Carry on, then.
 
2012-12-29 01:58:36 AM
"The study, commissioned by the Arizona Prosecuting Attorneys Advisory Council, also shows the state's crime rate has fallen 38.5% since 2002, which is about twice the crime rate drop for the nation as a whole.


Crime has dropped all across the country, but the decrease has been as fast or faster in Arizona. The rate of property crimes in the state, for example, has plummeted 43% since 1995, compared with 30% nationwide.

Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery says neither he nor the study can pinpoint why the crime rate has fallen so dramatically, but he suspects it's a combination of factors. He points to the state's human smuggling law, where there have been some prosecutions of both the "coyotes" and their human cargo; the employer sanctions law, which allows for sanctions against employers who hire illegal immigrants; Senate Bill 1070, the state's immigration enforcement law which has been partially put on hold by a federal court; and the poor economy."

I would add that it's not enough to HAVE the laws if they're not enforced, which Joe does and the federal government does not. I would further add the large number of conceal carry permits.

As for the lawsuits, the federal government quietly (and during a holiday weekend) dropped its investigation, and he won another discrimination lawsuit just a few days ago. They keep flinging poo at him and it doesn't stick because he's just enforcing the law,
 
2012-12-29 02:12:28 AM

Happy Hours: dropdfun: ski9600: Apos: I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.

Maybe Tucson or Flagsaff would suit. I'm going to Tucson and we're planning a trip to see some stuff up in Phoenix, I'm going to be darn sure we don't get lost or something.

Please don't, got enough left leaning tools from California that flooded here over the last decade. You probably wouldn't like it anyway, tons of concealed carrying individuals here, licensed and not licensed.

And where are you from?

In all the time I lived in Maricopa I never met anyone who was actually born in AZ.

I'm not worried about the concealed carriers in AZ, but I still am freaked out by some of the people who exercise their right to open carry. The first time I saw it I was in a convenience store and the guy waiting patiently in line in front of me had an AK47 some sort of handgun in a holster. My first thought was something like "Oh shiat, I just walked in on a convenience store robbery. I'll just get in line behind the robber."

It really boggles my mind how someone thinks they should take a handgun with them when they go to buy a bottled water or a Big Gulp or whatever it was he bought (I don't remember).  This was in the middle of the day in a decent neighborhood with not a whole lot of crime.

Overall, AZ is a nice place. I hesitate to say this as I don't want it more overrun than it is, but the desert is beautiful. You get used to the heat very quickly and when people say "but it's a dry heat", it's not a farking joke. Give me 120 degrees and 20% humidity over 95 degrees and 95% humidity any time.

Besides, if it's too hot, you can always stay inside (unless your job requires you to work outside in which case it's probably better than Mexico or Guatemala which is where you'd probably be from).

Phoenix (and surrounding suburbs) isn't paradise but any big city has some c ...


Born in AZ then left for little over two decades due to fathers military career then my own venture in the military to head overseas for a time. Back to stay it would seem unless my job requires me leave but I'm hoping not, kinda like it here.
 
2012-12-29 02:17:47 AM

Happy Hours: Actually, the MCSO has lost numerous lawsuits at significant expense to taxpayers and I'm going to request a citation for your claim about crime going down at twice the national rate.


STRYPERSWINE stated that the Sheriff has prevailed against all of the "bogus" lawsuits filed against him. Obviously, the lawsuits lost by the county and by the Sheriff were not "bogus".
 
2012-12-29 02:20:15 AM

Jim_Callahan: Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.

To be fair, Arpaio is kind of case-in-point for law officers sometimes being up to no good and citizens needing to be allowed legal recourse to defend themselves form the cops beyond trying to find other cops that aren't engaged in illegal activity.

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one.

Most home-scale first aid kits have an epi-pen, and you should not carry a defibrillator because you're far more likely to kill someone with it than you are shooting a gun at them. People survive getting shot all the time, some dumbass stopping their heart because they're using a surgical tool when they have no diagnostic expertise not so much.

On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.


You have no idea what a defibrillator is, do you?

Also, where can you get a first aid kit with an epipen? Especially considering that epipens require a prescription (at least in the US).
 
2012-12-29 02:42:20 AM

unyon: Attention citizens:  If you're patrolling around a schoolyard with a gun, and you spot someone else with a gun, I recommend opening fire immediately.

/that oughta solve the problem


I LOL'd mightily
 
2012-12-29 02:46:11 AM

STRYPERSWINE: He's beaten EVERY bogus lawsuit and investigation they've thrown at him and crime is going down in Arizona at twice the national rate.

He's doing it right,


If you consider $40 million dollars in payouts to be beating.  And you think he's Sheriff of Arizona.  Then sure, he's doing it right.
 
2012-12-29 02:50:53 AM

Jim_Callahan: On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.


This data point rivals "alcohol related vehicular accidents" as one of the most worthless statistics ever compiled.
 
2012-12-29 03:02:11 AM

STRYPERSWINE:

As for the lawsuits, the federal government quietly (and during a holiday weekend) dropped its investigation, and he won another discrimination lawsuit just a few days ago. They keep flinging poo at him and it doesn't stick because he's just enforcing the law,


Meanwhile his buddy in the DA office can no longer practice law in Arizona. The only reason Joe didn't wind up with a similar fate is because there is no independent body regulating whether or not a sheriff has overstepped his authority and has the power to strip him of it. I've also heard he's pretty handy with a paper shredder.
 
2012-12-29 03:02:55 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


If you woke up asking yourself, "I wonder how I can send chills down Dickfreckle's spine today," you have done well.

I don't even have kids and that thought terrifies me. Bunch of redneck assholes patrolling children? Likely thimble-dicked and prime to lash out on account of it?

I have a sidearm. I keep it in a drawer (remember, no kids around). But something is wrong when you start actively patrolling for sh*t that's not likely to happen. That's just a bunch of assholes inviting a problem.
 
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