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(Some Guy)   Sheriff Joe, realizing he's been out of the news cycle for a while, decides to send armed civilians roaming around schools looking for other armed civilians   (kyma.com) divider line 271
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2012-12-28 04:52:16 PM  
I love this man so much.
 
2012-12-28 04:53:48 PM  
The Wild West Revival TM mentality is gathering momentum? Greeeeeeeeat.
 
2012-12-28 04:57:35 PM  
These a-holes can't wait for an excuse to go shoot up sum 'illegals'. I hope the feds come in and finally put the banhammer down on these fascists.

And that shiatstain Tom Horne along with 'em.
 
2012-12-28 05:00:16 PM  
I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.
 
2012-12-28 05:12:18 PM  
And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now
 
2012-12-28 05:12:52 PM  

Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.


I'm sure he's already reconciled that slice of cognitive dissonance. You know, for the children.
 
2012-12-28 05:27:29 PM  
How soon do we have a beta for the FPS online version?
 
2012-12-28 05:28:29 PM  
What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-12-28 05:50:43 PM  
Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him
 
2012-12-28 06:00:20 PM  
Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?
 
2012-12-28 06:41:34 PM  

Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.


I'm pretty sure Joe WANTS to shoot namby pamby sissy cops who don't even run unlawful prison labor camps.
 
2012-12-28 07:00:16 PM  
Attention citizens:  If you're patrolling around a schoolyard with a gun, and you spot someone else with a gun, I recommend opening fire immediately.

/that oughta solve the problem
 
2012-12-28 07:15:51 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


No, the blue hairs and mormons do. Goddamnitsomuch ....
Also he got a ton of money from outside sources this past election.
 
2012-12-28 07:28:14 PM  
Sheriff Joe: I promise to threaten children.
 
2012-12-28 07:36:30 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this
are farking morons.
/they keep electing him


FTFY
 
2012-12-28 08:05:17 PM  
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.
 
2012-12-28 08:06:37 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now


If he ain't white.
 
2012-12-28 08:07:50 PM  

ongbok: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.


second!
 
2012-12-28 08:08:30 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


The scared, old, white people who keep voting for him.

Odds that most of the people searched will be brownish of tint?
 
2012-12-28 08:09:36 PM  
*sigh*
 
2012-12-28 08:09:42 PM  
Innocent children being shot and killed accidentally is the price we have to pay to prevent innocent children from being shot and killed intentionally.
 
2012-12-28 08:10:12 PM  
To remove
 
2012-12-28 08:10:36 PM  

ongbok: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.


I'm going to go out on limb and say that absolutely nothing happens.
 
2012-12-28 08:11:40 PM  
Doing crazy shiat > press release
 
2012-12-28 08:11:46 PM  

Godscrack: These a-holes can't wait for an excuse to go shoot up sum 'illegals'. I hope the feds come in and finally put the banhammer down on these fascists.

And that shiatstain Tom Horne along with 'em.


Didn't they hang Tom in Wyoming years ago?
 
2012-12-28 08:12:41 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


Partly that; but, the last few serious opponents he's had have suffered some very embarrassing political incedents close to election time.

/ it's all very unfortunate for them
 
2012-12-28 08:12:55 PM  
1 Year, 6 months, and 17 days since I've lived in that godforsaken state.
 
2012-12-28 08:13:20 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


FTFY
 
2012-12-28 08:14:10 PM  

vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.


I'm waiting for concealed carry to be legal in some state like Mississippi and when the first mass shooting happens every black kid on campus ends up mistaken for the gunman.

If I were a billionaire any school with concealed or open carry would immediately get scholarships and endowments for students enrolled in the Islamic Student's marksman club. The clubhouse wouldn't have a gun safe so the students would have to be carrying them around campus. Maybe do something similar for African American students at historically white colleges too. I wonder how fast the school would create exception clauses for that.
 
2012-12-28 08:14:59 PM  

iheartscotch: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him

Partly that; but, the last few serious opponents he's had have suffered some very embarrassing political incedents close to election time.

/ it's all very unfortunate for them


If stupid George Gascon hadn't left for bigger and better things he could have been the one. Now he's the DA in San Francisco. Oh well.
 
2012-12-28 08:17:20 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor Hispanic janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now


FTFY
 
2012-12-28 08:17:24 PM  
Armed schools prepare children for internment camps.
 
2012-12-28 08:18:16 PM  
www.political-humor.org
 
2012-12-28 08:19:22 PM  

cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]


Q&D and ugly.
 
2012-12-28 08:19:56 PM  
Are we going to have a pool on what the first incident will be?

Accidentally does a Treyvon Martin and kills a kid on entirely racist profiling.
Underage sex with a student or sexually assaulting a student.
Sells drugs or guns to students.
Assaults student or teacher over argument.
etc etc

If there is one, i'll like to put one in for: shoots up school in response to new gun legislations
 
2012-12-28 08:20:56 PM  

cantsleep: ongbok: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.

I'm going to go out on limb and say that absolutely nothing happens.


This.

Hate to interrupt the leftist circle jerk going on in this thread, but this is going to amount to a whole lot of nothing. The whole "blood running in the streets" this is beyond worn out. There's not going to be any mistaken identities, accidentally shot cops, students, or teachers. No gunning down of illegals.

And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

So despite this being "Sheriff Joe"...there really isn't that much of a story here. Some guys sitting in the school parking lots drinking coffee and....that's it. They happen to have guns on their belts. So what. I would bet most of you Farkers encounter someone with a CCW almost every day without even knowing it. Maybe it's that guy filling his tank up at the gas station in the morning. Maybe it was that mom in front of you in line at Wal-Mart. Maybe someone in that big group at Crapplebees was carrying. People carry guns. Nothing happens. If they're murderers, chances are they didn't go through the background check rigmarole to get a CCW license. But they're not, and nothing happens. They carry guns to go shopping and get gas and eat in resistant and pass you in the parking lot. Nothing happens. Get over it.
 
2012-12-28 08:21:05 PM  
WTF is that guy's problem?
 
2012-12-28 08:21:30 PM  

cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]


You are not a very smart man, are you?
 
2012-12-28 08:21:37 PM  

Indubitably: cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]

Q&D and ugly.


No you are.
 
2012-12-28 08:21:56 PM  
It's like a game of assassin, only with real consequences!

us.123rf.com
 
2012-12-28 08:22:17 PM  
My prediction: Nothing happens.
 
2012-12-28 08:22:17 PM  

moralpanic: cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]

You are not a very smart man, are you?


No you aren't.
 
2012-12-28 08:22:37 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.

I'm waiting for concealed carry to be legal in some state like Mississippi and when the first mass shooting happens every black kid on campus ends up mistaken for the gunman.

If I were a billionaire any school with concealed or open carry would immediately get scholarships and endowments for students enrolled in the Islamic Student's marksman club. The clubhouse wouldn't have a gun safe so the students would have to be carrying them around campus. Maybe do something similar for African American students at historically white colleges too. I wonder how fast the school would create exception clauses for that.


While it would be awesome to demonstrate the gun-nut's hypocrisy, this plan also carries an extremely high risk of some poor kid getting shot.
 
2012-12-28 08:23:40 PM  
I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.
 
2012-12-28 08:24:00 PM  

cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]


Logic would also say that if guns made schools safe, the assault weapons ban expiring should have stopped all the school shootings.
 
2012-12-28 08:24:07 PM  

cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]


Logic dictates, that if more guns made people safer, the United States would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world.
 
2012-12-28 08:24:27 PM  

cabbyman: Indubitably: cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]

Q&D and ugly.

No you are.


I know, man.

In fact, I know better that any one of you how bad/ugly I actually am...
 
2012-12-28 08:25:30 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: bigbadideasinaction: vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.

I'm waiting for concealed carry to be legal in some state like Mississippi and when the first mass shooting happens every black kid on campus ends up mistaken for the gunman.

If I were a billionaire any school with concealed or open carry would immediately get scholarships and endowments for students enrolled in the Islamic Student's marksman club. The clubhouse wouldn't have a gun safe so the students would have to be carrying them around campus. Maybe do something similar for African American students at historically white colleges too. I wonder how fast the school would create exception clauses for that.

While it would be awesome to demonstrate the gun-nut's hypocrisy, this plan also carries an extremely high risk of some poor kid getting shot.


Acceptable risk for the lulz that would be had.
 
2012-12-28 08:25:31 PM  
Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?
 
2012-12-28 08:26:15 PM  

taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid


There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.
 
2012-12-28 08:27:02 PM  

sheep snorter: Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?


Nope.
 
2012-12-28 08:27:38 PM  
Do we get horses and big hats too?
 
2012-12-28 08:28:34 PM  

janzee: Do we get horses and big hats too?


God Bless Us, Horses and Hats for Everyone!
 
2012-12-28 08:29:51 PM  
Nothing to worry about. Most of the volunteers are priests and Boy Scout troop leaders.
 
2012-12-28 08:29:54 PM  
Wait wait wait... Aren't schools supposed to be no gun zones? How can be be legally sending civilians into GFZs while armed?,
 
2012-12-28 08:30:56 PM  
[HERO] tag
 
2012-12-28 08:31:37 PM  
Sheriff Joe doing something 100% absolutely moronic....

i1274.photobucket.com

I really hate this guy.
 
2012-12-28 08:32:58 PM  

taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.


Would you like to purchase one of these special rocks from me? They will protect you from tiger attacks. The rocks are even armed with guns.
 
2012-12-28 08:33:39 PM  
Man, it surely must be a living Hell trying to exist in places where rightwingers rule. The posturing of dangerous cretins like this make me wish the Mayans were right.
 
2012-12-28 08:34:14 PM  

YouWinAgainGravity: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

Would you like to purchase one of these special rocks from me? They will protect you from tiger attacks. The rocks are even armed with guns.


Tiger-armed-gunrocks?
 
2012-12-28 08:34:58 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Man, it surely must be a living Hell trying to exist in places where rightwingers rule. The posturing of dangerous cretins like this make me wish the Mayans were right.


To posture
 
2012-12-28 08:35:10 PM  

CthulhuCalling: Wait wait wait... Aren't schools supposed to be no gun zones? How can be be legally sending civilians into GFZs while armed?,


Depends on the state. Most states yes, but not all. Some leave it up to the county. Others, like Utah I believe, allow concealed carry in all Universities (no school shootings either) And these people being part of a sheriff's posse have some degree of legal exemption. I'm not familiar with Arizona law, but I don't find it hard to believe this is legal. Sheriff's can still Deputize, though they generally don't use that authority like they used to.
 
2012-12-28 08:35:36 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


Probably because the circle to vote for Sheriff Joe is a lot larger than his opponent's.
 
2012-12-28 08:35:44 PM  
This asshole will be responsible for a massacre. THEN he'll be fired and thrown in jail.
 
2012-12-28 08:35:57 PM  

YouWinAgainGravity: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

Would you like to purchase one of these special rocks from me? They will protect you from tiger attacks. The rocks are even armed with guns.


Was there a joke or meme in there I didn't get?
 
2012-12-28 08:37:25 PM  
STANJERGRON! BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!
 
2012-12-28 08:37:27 PM  
He never talked to his people
He never talked to the schools
Even Horne backed off his postion and wanted the legislature to fund the SROs again.

My son's school still has an armed SRO, I dropped brownies off to him before Christmas.

Arpiao is a publicity whore.
 
2012-12-28 08:37:49 PM  

taurusowner: So despite this being "Sheriff Joe"...there really isn't that much of a story here. Some guys sitting in the school parking lots drinking coffee and....that's it. They happen to have guns on their belts. So what. I would bet most of you Farkers encounter someone with a CCW almost every day without even knowing it. Maybe it's that guy filling his tank up at the gas station in the morning. Maybe it was that mom in front of you in line at Wal-Mart. Maybe someone in that big group at Crapplebees was carrying. People carry guns. Nothing happens. If they're murderers, chances are they didn't go through the background check rigmarole to get a CCW license. But they're not, and nothing happens. They carry guns to go shopping and get gas and eat in resistant and pass you in the parking lot. Nothing happens. Get over it.


I happen to agree with you.  But I also think its pretty fark'd up that putting armed men and women in schools is considered a rational response to the recent incident.
 
2012-12-28 08:38:40 PM  

taurusowner: YouWinAgainGravity: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

Would you like to purchase one of these special rocks from me? They will protect you from tiger attacks. The rocks are even armed with guns.

Was there a joke or meme in there I didn't get?


His point, and its a good one, is that mass shootings are so statistically rare that you can't point to anything as having "prevented" one with any degree of credibility.

There haven't been any sasquatch attacks at Utah universities, either. Clearly, high concentrations of Mormons are proof against bigfoot.
 
2012-12-28 08:39:13 PM  
Yeah, I don't really want a bunch of armed yahoos running around my kid's school. Glad I don't live in AZ.
 
2012-12-28 08:39:41 PM  
cant wait until he uses his prisoners to protect the kids
 
2012-12-28 08:40:17 PM  

Infobahn: He never talked to his people
He never talked to the schools
Even Horne backed off his postion and wanted the legislature to fund the SROs again.

My son's school still has an armed SRO, I dropped brownies off to him before Christmas.

Arpiao is a publicity whore.


Pretty much this. The headline summed it up nicely. It's just a show for the bluehairs voting bloc to show that he's tough on blah blah blah....who gives a f*ck.
 
2012-12-28 08:40:27 PM  
They should also put bombs at random locations throughout the school. No crazed gun-wielding maniac would go in if he knew he could get blown up at any time.
 
2012-12-28 08:40:42 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

Sheriff Joe never found a moment he couldn't grandstand from for all its worth.
 
2012-12-28 08:41:21 PM  
So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)
 
2012-12-28 08:41:26 PM  
ermagad the pigs are sending pipil to hunt the feral hogs!!1!!!
 
2012-12-28 08:42:26 PM  

taurusowner: Was there a joke or meme in there I didn't get?


Yes but you seem a little slow anyways so it's okay.
 
2012-12-28 08:43:49 PM  
If you oppose my plan to put bombs throughout schools to protect our children, you are just a liberal leftist pussy. Explosives are nothing to be afraid of and have no inherent ability to kill by themselves.
 
2012-12-28 08:44:05 PM  

halB: My prediction: Nothing happens.


That will be presented as "proof" that it's a good idea.
 
2012-12-28 08:45:15 PM  
Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..
 
2012-12-28 08:45:24 PM  

Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)


The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.
 
2012-12-28 08:47:30 PM  

LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..


Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?
 
2012-12-28 08:47:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Man, it surely must be a living Hell trying to exist in places where rightwingers rule. The posturing of dangerous cretins like this make me wish the Mayans were right.


I know right? Why can't everywhere be a paradise of safety where democrats have had total control for the last 50 years and violent crime has been eliminated.

Like Chicago or Detroit.

gingerjet:

I happen to agree with you.  But I also think its pretty fark'd up that putting armed men and women in schools is considered a rational response to the recent incident.


It's neither a new idea nor an irrational one...

April 16, 2000

WASHINGTON - Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems.

"In our national struggle against youth violence we must not fail our children; our future depends on it," the president said in his weekly radio address.
...
Clinton announced $40 million in grants for 23 school districts that he said have found successful, comprehensive approaches to help troubled young people.

"These districts are bringing school nurses and counselors together to respond to warning signs like depression or bullying," Clinton said. "They are improving classroom security and expanding after-school and mentoring programs."

Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.

"Already, it has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need," Clinton said.

Link
 
2012-12-28 08:48:24 PM  

pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.


To rumor

P.S. Rumor is gossip. Gossip is rumor. Grow up.
 
2012-12-28 08:49:01 PM  

Teufelaffe: cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]

Logic dictates, that if more guns made people safer, the United States would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world.


It's almost as if complex social issues are irreducibly complex... and any attempts to reduce it to one variable would be foolish at best, retarded at worst.
 
2012-12-28 08:50:17 PM  
Did you know that there has never been a case of a cannibal shooting up a school? Think how safe our schools would be if we gave some cannibals some guns ant put them in our schools, what person is going to dare try to commit a crime there?
 
2012-12-28 08:51:48 PM  
The janitor will be one of Newt's child laborers. So it's all good.
 
2012-12-28 08:51:57 PM  

halB: Teufelaffe: cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]

Logic dictates, that if more guns made people safer, the United States would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world.

It's almost as if complex social issues are irreducibly complex... and any attempts to reduce it to one variable would be foolish at best, retarded at worst.


Wait, does that mean that complex social issues were created by God?
 
2012-12-28 08:52:04 PM  
This is an open challenge. A gauntlet has been thrown down. A chip is on someones shoulder, basically saying "Come over here and try it. Do it. I dare you." And the backdrop chosen for this pissing match are public schools. It's a losing game. Crazy people don't care if they live. Someone is going to answer a challenge like this one day and I don't believe it will end well.
 
2012-12-28 08:52:07 PM  

halB: Teufelaffe: cabbyman: [www.political-humor.org image 320x246]

Logic dictates, that if more guns made people safer, the United States would have the lowest violent crime rates in the world.

It's almost as if complex social issues are irreducibly complex... and any attempts to reduce it to one variable would be foolish at best, retarded at worst.


Thanks HalB, but if humans expect to exist longer than their weaponry, they really need to professionalize, don't you think? *)
 
2012-12-28 08:54:05 PM  

illannoyin: It's neither a new idea nor an irrational one...


Completely disagree.  Arming schools is irrational in any civilized society.  It also doesn't work.  By the time whomever is armed figures out that something is going on - the damage has already been done.  And Clinton supported a number of mind boggling stupid things over the years so holding him up as an example doesn't help your argument.
 
2012-12-28 08:55:21 PM  

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him

No, the blue hairs and mormons do. Goddamnitsomuch ....
Also he got a ton of money from outside sources this past election.


There are lots of outsiders who really love him. He's pretty much all that they have left to worship and adore, since they've been abandoned by their former saviors like Palin, Herman Cain, Bachmann, and that idiot Romney. And FSM forbid anyone even mention GWB, that's blasphemy. So, there are a whole lot of Teabaggers in places like Virginia who are sending lots of $$ to support his efforts.
 
2012-12-28 08:57:22 PM  
I feel a fluctuation in the force. HW?
 
2012-12-28 08:59:10 PM  
cdn.firearmstalk.com
 
2012-12-28 08:59:17 PM  
I guess the Obama birth certificate investigation didn't pan out.
 
2012-12-28 09:00:26 PM  

Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

To rumor

P.S. Rumor is gossip. Gossip is rumor. Grow up.


Why the insult? I stated outright that it is possibly a rumor. I don't have some kind of an inside track on the DoJ.

No need to be so rude.
 
2012-12-28 09:02:30 PM  

gingerjet: illannoyin: It's neither a new idea nor an irrational one...

Completely disagree.  Arming schools is irrational in any civilized society.  It also doesn't work.  By the time whomever is armed figures out that something is going on - the damage has already been done.  And Clinton supported a number of mind boggling stupid things over the years so holding him up as an example doesn't help your argument.


I'm sure it will work out as well as the repeal of Glass-Steagall did.
 
2012-12-28 09:05:13 PM  

pxlboy: Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

To rumor

P.S. Rumor is gossip. Gossip is rumor. Grow up.

Why the insult? I stated outright that it is possibly a rumor. I don't have some kind of an inside track on the DoJ.

No need to be so rude.


Apologies, pxlboy.

To crusade

*)
 
2012-12-28 09:05:44 PM  
The funny thing about all of this is that guns out of school is actually a pretty new thing, becoming common only in the past 30 years or so. UP to the 50's and 60's students and teachers having firearms in school was commonplace. Students would bring hunting guns in and leave them in their lockers or cars so that they can catch as much hunting time as possible after school. Boy Scout troops would teach young children on .22lr rifles, often using school ranges. There were even shooting teams. My old high school actually has a 4 lane 25 yard range in the basement. It's since been converted to storage, but it got used for the school marksmanship team in the 60s. You don't gotta take my word for it, go ahead and ask you parents or grandparents about it sometime. Sure, every single kid didn't do it in every single school. But a lot did. I would be that if you went to a retirement home or had a chance to talk to a handful of elderly people, you would hear a story or two about hunting after school with guns they locked in the principal's office during class. It's only in the past few decades where the idea of a firearm coming near school property became shocking.
 
2012-12-28 09:06:05 PM  

taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid


You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.
 
2012-12-28 09:06:21 PM  

illannoyin: TV's Vinnie: Man, it surely must be a living Hell trying to exist in places where rightwingers rule. The posturing of dangerous cretins like this make me wish the Mayans were right.

I know right? Why can't everywhere be a paradise of safety where democrats have had total control for the last 50 years and violent crime has been eliminated.

Like Chicago or Detroit.

gingerjet:

I happen to agree with you.  But I also think its pretty fark'd up that putting armed men and women in schools is considered a rational response to the recent incident.

It's neither a new idea nor an irrational one...

April 16, 2000

WASHINGTON - Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems.

"In our national struggle against youth violence we must not fail our children; our future depends on it," the president said in his weekly radio address.
...
Clinton announced $40 million in grants for 23 school districts that he said have found successful, comprehensive approaches to help troubled young people.

"These districts are bringing school nurses and counselors together to respond to warning signs like depression or bullying," Clinton said. "They are improving classroom security and expanding after-school and mentoring programs."

Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.

"Already, it has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need," Clinton said.

Link


Say what you will, but at least no one in these places are saying that the solution is "tax cuts for the rich" or "Pray harder to Jesus. I SAID HARDER DAMMIT!!".
 
2012-12-28 09:06:24 PM  

Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

To rumor

P.S. Rumor is gossip. Gossip is rumor. Grow up.

Why the insult? I stated outright that it is possibly a rumor. I don't have some kind of an inside track on the DoJ.

No need to be so rude.

Apologies, pxlboy.

To crusade

*)


No worries. I try not to say anything I know to be demonstrably false because I'd rather not have to wear that egg on my face.
 
2012-12-28 09:06:35 PM  
When I read the headline I wanted to make a comment about the old west posse. Then I read the article and realized for the first time that his county has warped back in time.
 
2012-12-28 09:06:50 PM  
I sure hope it isn't the same think tank that i saw at the press conference. "we have evidence that the files were inside a computer 20 minutes before being uploaded" is going to lead to lots of squirrels, birds, shadows, tumbleweeds, tan people, brown people, someone that walked in the shade getting shot on sight
 
2012-12-28 09:07:50 PM  

taurusowner: The funny thing about all of this is that guns out of school is actually a pretty new thing, becoming common only in the past 30 years or so. UP to the 50's and 60's students and teachers having firearms in school was commonplace. Students would bring hunting guns in and leave them in their lockers or cars so that they can catch as much hunting time as possible after school. Boy Scout troops would teach young children on .22lr rifles, often using school ranges. There were even shooting teams. My old high school actually has a 4 lane 25 yard range in the basement. It's since been converted to storage, but it got used for the school marksmanship team in the 60s. You don't gotta take my word for it, go ahead and ask you parents or grandparents about it sometime. Sure, every single kid didn't do it in every single school. But a lot did. I would be that if you went to a retirement home or had a chance to talk to a handful of elderly people, you would hear a story or two about hunting after school with guns they locked in the principal's office during class. It's only in the past few decades where the idea of a firearm coming near school property became shocking.


And where was electricity and tablets of knowledge then, m8?>
 
2012-12-28 09:07:56 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.


So how come you never see mass shootings at gun shows?
 
2012-12-28 09:08:05 PM  

Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.


There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".
 
2012-12-28 09:08:39 PM  

pxlboy: Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

To rumor

P.S. Rumor is gossip. Gossip is rumor. Grow up.

Why the insult? I stated outright that it is possibly a rumor. I don't have some kind of an inside track on the DoJ.

No need to be so rude.

Apologies, pxlboy.

To crusade

*)

No worries. I try not to say anything I know to be demonstrably false because I'd rather not have to wear that egg on my face.


And I love eggs, so...
 
2012-12-28 09:09:25 PM  
To egg
 
2012-12-28 09:09:43 PM  

Indubitably: taurusowner: The funny thing about all of this is that guns out of school is actually a pretty new thing, becoming common only in the past 30 years or so. UP to the 50's and 60's students and teachers having firearms in school was commonplace. Students would bring hunting guns in and leave them in their lockers or cars so that they can catch as much hunting time as possible after school. Boy Scout troops would teach young children on .22lr rifles, often using school ranges. There were even shooting teams. My old high school actually has a 4 lane 25 yard range in the basement. It's since been converted to storage, but it got used for the school marksmanship team in the 60s. You don't gotta take my word for it, go ahead and ask you parents or grandparents about it sometime. Sure, every single kid didn't do it in every single school. But a lot did. I would be that if you went to a retirement home or had a chance to talk to a handful of elderly people, you would hear a story or two about hunting after school with guns they locked in the principal's office during class. It's only in the past few decades where the idea of a firearm coming near school property became shocking.

And where was electricity and tablets of knowledge then, m8?>


The 24 hour news cycle is what. Events or people that might remain otherwise unknown to stew in their own crazy are now thrust on to the public stage for all to see and hear.
 
2012-12-28 09:10:06 PM  
Joe makes publicity whore announcement
School Superintendent says FARK NO!
Joe Arrests superintendent and places crazy old guys with guns there anyway
Parents and Superintendent Sue the county
Everyone profits except the  taxpayer
 
2012-12-28 09:10:24 PM  

Indubitably: To egg


To blave

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-28 09:10:28 PM  

Mad_Radhu: You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.


You're confusing lack of morality with lack of intelligence or forethought. Try to actually research school shootings before spouting off like that. Most of them show some form of planning on the part of the shooter. A lot of planning actually. True, the shooters are sociopaths with totally broken sense of right and wrong. But that doesn't turn them into blithering idiots who can't tie their shoes. Many school shooters have had above average IQs. Looking at the steps they took to prepare for their crimes shows most put a fair amount of thought into it. Bringing backpacks of magazines and multiple weapons like Cho, waiting til the School Resource Officer was on his lunch break like at Columbine, the two kids who set up snipers nests and the pulled the fire alarms so they could take shots at the kids who came outside in groups. Terrible evil acts, but planned calculated acts nonetheless.
 
2012-12-28 09:11:07 PM  

shinji3i: Wolf_Blitzer: bigbadideasinaction: vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.

I'm waiting for concealed carry to be legal in some state like Mississippi and when the first mass shooting happens every black kid on campus ends up mistaken for the gunman.

If I were a billionaire any school with concealed or open carry would immediately get scholarships and endowments for students enrolled in the Islamic Student's marksman club. The clubhouse wouldn't have a gun safe so the students would have to be carrying them around campus. Maybe do something similar for African American students at historically white colleges too. I wonder how fast the school would create exception clauses for that.

While it would be awesome to demonstrate the gun-nut's hypocrisy, this plan also carries an extremely high risk of some poor kid getting shot.

Acceptable risk for the lulz that would be had.


I should have specified that if I were more of the evil billionaire sort, but I imagine those clubs would be shut down long before their doors open.

Alternative plans include wanting to spread "safe zones" by giving free guns to eligible urban folk living in areas bordering less urban dwellers. Meet the minimum legal requirements of your state, get a Glock, since clearly more guns would just spread the safety from the surrounding areas to there and I'm sure the neighboring residents would welcome the safety boost. Add some bonus endowments to Occupy protesters in states where it's legal carry as well. Free "Stand Your Ground" courses and legal aid in the appropriate states to the above as well.

Here's a shock to nobody - when rights are expanded for the less privileged, the privileged naturally resists them. When rights are expanded for the privileged, the first thing the privileged do is put up barriers to ensure only they get to benefit from it. Clearly people who can't normally afford or be convinced to have guns need incentives. For safety.
 
2012-12-28 09:11:09 PM  

KidneyStone: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

So how come you never see mass shootings at gun shows?



All the nutters are either buying, selling, or cornholing each other in the parking lot.
 
2012-12-28 09:12:46 PM  

stoli n coke: KidneyStone: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

So how come you never see mass shootings at gun shows?


All the nutters are either buying, selling, or cornholing each other in the parking lot.


Ah ok, so we'll mark that down as "I don't have a real answer to that question, so I'll go for an insult and hope it distracts you". Gotcha.
 
2012-12-28 09:13:02 PM  

pxlboy: Indubitably: To egg

To blave

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 830x517]


I wish.

*)
 
2012-12-28 09:14:03 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: shinji3i: Wolf_Blitzer: bigbadideasinaction: vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.

I'm waiting for concealed carry to be legal in some state like Mississippi and when the first mass shooting happens every black kid on campus ends up mistaken for the gunman.

If I were a billionaire any school with concealed or open carry would immediately get scholarships and endowments for students enrolled in the Islamic Student's marksman club. The clubhouse wouldn't have a gun safe so the students would have to be carrying them around campus. Maybe do something similar for African American students at historically white colleges too. I wonder how fast the school would create exception clauses for that.

While it would be awesome to demonstrate the gun-nut's hypocrisy, this plan also carries an extremely high risk of some poor kid getting shot.

Acceptable risk for the lulz that would be had.

I should have specified that if I were more of the evil billionaire sort, but I imagine those clubs would be shut down long before their doors open.

Alternative plans include wanting to spread "safe zones" by giving free guns to eligible urban folk living in areas bordering less urban dwellers. Meet the minimum legal requirements of your state, get a Glock, since clearly more guns would just spread the safety from the surrounding areas to there and I'm sure the neighboring residents would welcome the safety boost. Add some bonus endowments to Occupy protesters in states where it's legal carry as well. Free "Stand Your Ground" courses and legal aid in the appropriate states to the above as well.

Here's a shock to nobody - when rights are expanded for the less privileged, the privileged naturally resists them. When rights are expanded for the privileged, the first thing the privileged do is put up barriers to ensure only they get to benefit from it. ...


All of this.
 
2012-12-28 09:14:16 PM  

Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.


He's against it when he's in uniform, but for it when he's the one home alone and the Feds are kicking in his door on some kind of bogus warrant, but he's against it again when his totally upright and honest deputies are serving a completely honest warrant on scumbag illegal alien drug dealers, but for it again when a good American citizen has to defend against some n*gger, er, criminal pretending to be a "cop" does a home invasion.

He's pretty flexible that way.
 
2012-12-28 09:15:10 PM  
This will never happen. Arpaio just wanted a news cycle.
 
2012-12-28 09:15:56 PM  

sheep snorter: Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?


Yup, look at all these non-white mass murderers:

upload.wikimedia.org

I believe this is what the librul media would denote as "swarthy".

upload.wikimedia.org

We all know that that is not a natural hair color for a real Murcan. He must be Puerto Rican.

upload.wikimedia.org

Sodini? Don't sound Murcan enough. Is it French, or is it Italian? Perhaps Fritalian?

upload.wikimedia.org

Now here's a real Murcan who didn't shoot up nobody that din't deserve it. All he did was bring God back to the church.
 
2012-12-28 09:16:24 PM  
Where in the world would you go somewhere that a local leader calls in a bunch of armed citizens? Would that leader's title more likely be a warlord?
 
2012-12-28 09:16:45 PM  
There's a federal Gun-Free School Zones Act, Joe. Does being in a "posse" make a civilian into a bona fide "law enforcement officer"? Do the schools agree to establish a program allowing these civilians to be armed within 1,000 feet of the school grounds?
 
2012-12-28 09:17:06 PM  

taurusowner: stoli n coke: KidneyStone: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

So how come you never see mass shootings at gun shows?


All the nutters are either buying, selling, or cornholing each other in the parking lot.

Ah ok, so we'll mark that down as "I don't have a real answer to that question, so I'll go for an insult and hope it distracts you". Gotcha.


Tactically, it's not a smart move. Now, I realize you're saying to yourself, "Ah ha! That's the whole idea!"

I realize that what you mean is that where guns are present, crime will not be present or be so drastically reduced as to be statistically insignificant. But adding more fuel to the fire only makes it burn hotter.
 
2012-12-28 09:17:37 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that, of the four airliners hijacked on 9-11, the only one prevented from hitting its intended target was stopped by "amateurs". Not cops. Not military. Not politicians. Ironic, considering the fact that all four were targeted at places where people generally touch their selves whilst dreaming of the ideal police state.
 
2012-12-28 09:20:27 PM  
This could backfire on him. The average education level of Arizonans will increase, and Republicans will lose power.
 
2012-12-28 09:20:39 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that, of the four airliners hijacked on 9-11, the only one prevented from hitting its intended target was stopped by "amateurs". Not cops. Not military. Not politicians. Ironic, considering the fact that all four were targeted at places where people generally touch their selves whilst dreaming of the ideal police state.


And despite what you've heard, America is FULL of good, thinking people ready to embrace change at a fundamentally people level. We just need to do...

Peace.
 
2012-12-28 09:21:52 PM  

CourtroomWolf: This could backfire on him. The average education level of Arizonans will increase, and Republicans will lose power.


He would likely be dead of old age before that happened. And as much as I like the idea of watching the feds perp walk him out of his house, he would likely take the coward's way out before letting it happen.
 
2012-12-28 09:22:13 PM  
Who's a Senator from Arizonawhom needs to retire?

McComplain.

*)
 
2012-12-28 09:23:01 PM  

unyon: Attention citizens:  If you're patrolling around a schoolyard with a gun, and you spot someone else with a gun, I recommend opening fire immediately.

/that oughta solve the problem


I can see this. Concerned citizen "A" calls to report a group of armed people. "I can't be sure, but they sounded foreign". Concerned citizen "B" contacts citizen patrol about the first group. Epic win?
 
2012-12-28 09:23:05 PM  
I think that Onion infographic about who deserves a cockpunch was made just for him.  Every time I see him I always say to myself, "There goes a guy who needs his dick punched in half."
 
2012-12-28 09:23:18 PM  

Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]


Keep it to Facebook please.
 
2012-12-28 09:24:29 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I think that Onion infographic about who deserves a cockpunch was made just for him.  Every time I see him I always say to myself, "There goes a guy who needs his dick punched in half."


To dickpunch-in-half
 
2012-12-28 09:24:35 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.


The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'
 
2012-12-28 09:24:55 PM  

Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.


I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?
 
2012-12-28 09:27:21 PM  
brianedwardsmedia.co.nz hut hut hut hut hut hut
 
2012-12-28 09:27:42 PM  

pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?


How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?
 
2012-12-28 09:27:53 PM  

IlGreven: sheep snorter: Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?

Yup, look at all these non-white mass murderers:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x250]

I believe this is what the librul media would denote as "swarthy".

[upload.wikimedia.org image 217x224]

We all know that that is not a natural hair color for a real Murcan. He must be Puerto Rican.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 150x222]

Sodini? Don't sound Murcan enough. Is it French, or is it Italian? Perhaps Fritalian?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 215x213]

Now here's a real Murcan who didn't shoot up nobody that din't deserve it. All he did was bring God back to the church.


To be fair, the hair color in #2 isn't natural for anybody. Clearly an illegal (space) alien!
 
2012-12-28 09:28:05 PM  

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'


Those exposed to guns at a younger age are more comfortable than those who are not. Some people are afraid of them, even unnaturally so. That said, I've owned pistols and am not afraid to keep and shoot one. But I also never got a CCW permit because I wasn't comfortable carrying one on my person. I feel that it can lead to self-fulfilling prophecy with regards to gun violence.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
2012-12-28 09:29:12 PM  

Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]


I know you don't actually care, but the "armed civilians" who stopped mass murders were all "actually cops, trained security officers, or military personnel-or the citizens took action after the shooting rampages appeared to have already ended. (Or in some cases, both.)"

In other words, they weren't actually armed civilians.

But whatever, you need your penis extender.
 
2012-12-28 09:29:56 PM  

Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?


Whether they did or not is irrelevant to what happened. Anyone determined enough to pull something like that off will do so. The Ft. Hood shooter is an example of this.
 
2012-12-28 09:30:46 PM  
If people stopped sending kids to school then they wouldn't have to worry about them getting shot in school.
 
2012-12-28 09:31:02 PM  

Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?



Or that Fort Hood had a shiatload of MPs and hudreds of people trained in unarmed combat?
 
2012-12-28 09:31:11 PM  

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'


insert internet tough guy pic.
 
2012-12-28 09:31:20 PM  
Sorry, but all you farkin' apologists for facism need to check the demograph for Maricopa county. It's about as main stream as you can get in the South West, so don't go blaming all the snow birds, or the reitred fark jobs, or the veteran asswipes. The trouble with Maricopa county IS Maricopa county. Too much dick sucking or corn holing going on down there that turns a boy's thought to fascist bullying. Nothing more, nothing less. They are just bad people, who thrive off electing a qualified Neanderthal to keep those who aren't sociapathic by nature in there place. The only thing they love more than regular butt-buddies is news coverage of their homophobic vitriol. Looks like we made 'em happy again.
 
2012-12-28 09:32:01 PM  

taurusowner: Mad_Radhu: You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

You're confusing lack of morality with lack of intelligence or forethought. Try to actually research school shootings before spouting off like that. Most of them show some form of planning on the part of the shooter. A lot of planning actually. True, the shooters are sociopaths with totally broken sense of right and wrong. But that doesn't turn them into blithering idiots who can't tie their shoes. Many school shooters have had above average IQs. Looking at the steps they took to prepare for their crimes shows most put a fair amount of thought into it. Bringing backpacks of magazines and multiple weapons like Cho, waiting til the School Resource Officer was on his lunch break like at Columbine, the two kids who set up snipers nests and the pulled the fire alarms so they could take shots at the kids who came outside in groups. Terrible evil acts, but planned calculated acts nonetheless.


What I am saying is that the school shootings happened at the schools because that is where the people that they wanted to take their anger out at were located, so the armed guards will do little to deter them. These individuals want to act out their revenge fantasies and go out in a hail of gunfire. The threat of lethal force isn't going to deter someone who has basically decided to commit suicide.
 
2012-12-28 09:33:58 PM  

pxlboy: Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?

Whether they did or not is irrelevant to what happened. Anyone determined enough to pull something like that off will do so. The Ft. Hood shooter is an example of this.


Yeah that was my point.
 
2012-12-28 09:34:01 PM  

taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?


Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.
 
2012-12-28 09:34:55 PM  

Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?

Whether they did or not is irrelevant to what happened. Anyone determined enough to pull something like that off will do so. The Ft. Hood shooter is an example of this.

Yeah that was my point.


Reading is fundamental. Carry on ^_^;;
 
2012-12-28 09:35:32 PM  

pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.


Ya know, I always wondered about that. Do the "snowbirds" vote locally AND via absentee ballots from their homes? If they do, isn't that .....wait for it.....voter fraud?
 
2012-12-28 09:35:38 PM  

pxlboy: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'

Those exposed to guns at a younger age are more comfortable than those who are not. Some people are afraid of them, even unnaturally so. That said, I've owned pistols and am not afraid to keep and shoot one. But I also never got a CCW permit because I wasn't comfortable carrying one on my person. I feel that it can lead to self-fulfilling prophecy with regards to gun violence.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.


Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.
 
2012-12-28 09:38:24 PM  
Tom Horne wants armed teachers, this douches wants armed patrols, add gun permits in AZ and you get a recipe of disaster.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:06 PM  

Godscrack: These a-holes can't wait for an excuse to go shoot up sum 'illegals'. I hope the feds come in and finally put the banhammer down on these fascists.

And that shiatstain Tom Horne along with 'em.


"We're from the government, and we're here to help." Hope that works out well for you.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:08 PM  

Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?


Yeah, but they were pussies. We're talkin' Ari-by-God-zona here!
 
2012-12-28 09:39:43 PM  

mr intrepid: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

Ya know, I always wondered about that. Do the "snowbirds" vote locally AND via absentee ballots from their homes? If they do, isn't that .....wait for it.....voter fraud?


Yes.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:43 PM  
A reminder: Police officers (except military police) are civilians too.

Words mean things.
 
2012-12-28 09:40:21 PM  

Securitywyrm:

Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.


Awww, is the big scawy gubment monster hiding in your closet again?
 
2012-12-28 09:42:26 PM  

Flappyhead: Securitywyrm:

Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Awww, is the big scawy gubment monster hiding in your closet again?


Maybe he went to Kent State.
 
2012-12-28 09:42:31 PM  

JesseL: A reminder: Police officers (except military police) are civilians too.

Words mean things.


NSS?

I wish you wordists-now would have minded your words earlier, no?

Time is immaterial.

Atoms are not.

Word.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:28 PM  

mr intrepid: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

Ya know, I always wondered about that. Do the "snowbirds" vote locally AND via absentee ballots from their homes? If they do, isn't that .....wait for it.....voter fraud?


As I understand it, they are allowed to vote. I suspect this is because they tend to vote Republican and the state reps are also Republicans. This is merely conjecture, but would be unsurprising.
 
2012-12-28 09:45:40 PM  
I was a student in arizona schools. I wish I had been killed. My life would be much better.
 
2012-12-28 09:50:40 PM  
From the sound of the headline, Subby wants the sheriff to do nothing to safeguard the children.
 
2012-12-28 09:51:21 PM  
"Armed Volunteers" is all we to know here. He is just borrowing from LaPierre's first public commentary after the children were gunned down for just showing up at school. The head of the NRA suggested that they could provide voluteers to protect schools. Now- I am not here to debate gun laws- I believe that the we need to address our mental health system. But for the head of the NRA to offer up volunteers- really? I guess this is just right up Sheriff Joe's alley. I live in the deep south- so guns are all around. Ostensibly weilded by upstanding law abiding citizens. Some of these people are personal friends of mine. Most of these friends of mine should not be allowed to volunteer to "protect" a school. Unless of course we would like to see some sensless hairtrigger shootem' ups.
 
2012-12-28 09:51:46 PM  

Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.


Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.
 
2012-12-28 09:52:34 PM  

pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".


The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.
 
2012-12-28 09:54:57 PM  

way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.


You overstate.
 
2012-12-28 09:56:24 PM  

Indubitably: way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.

You overstate.


P.S. You better make Congress work in the next four years, or I will personally destroy the South. Try me  again.
 
2012-12-28 09:57:14 PM  

way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.


But this is America. And in America we don't admit or show weakness.

There needs to be a cultural change in the way we view and treat mental disorders. There should be, but I doubt it. Even the outrage of a bunch of killed kids isn't enough to put a stop to the escalating Wild West sh*t that enables the absurd proliferation of guns.

We'll point fingers and shout angrily, maybe ban certain things just long enough to forget why we did at all. And nothing will change.
 
2012-12-28 09:57:22 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.

You overstate.

P.S. You better make Congress work in the next four years, or I will personally destroy the South. Try me  again.


P.P.S. To storm. *)
 
2012-12-28 09:58:21 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.

You overstate.

P.S. You better make Congress work in the next four years, or I will personally destroy the South. Try me  again.

P.P.S. To storm. *)


What's with the infinitives?
 
2012-12-28 09:58:50 PM  

Securitywyrm: The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.


See, you read a John Lott Article and you almost  quoted him verbatim.  Too bad both of you are misguided.  There are 4 theaters close to where Holmes lived, the Century 16, Cinema Latino, the Cinema Grill and the Harkins Theater at Northfield Stapleton.  Cinema Grill is a small theater that does not do midnight showings.  The Harkins theater was 6 miles and 13 minutes away.  I know nothing about Cinema Latino.  The Century 16 was 3 miles and 7 minutes away.  Also, Lott said 20 minutes, not 20 miles.  20 miles from Holmes' house would be probably 80% of the theaters in the Denver  metro area, which have varying policies regarding weapons.

Also the other theaters within a 20 minute drive of Holmes apartment are all 20 minutes away in perfect conditions.  The AMC 8 in Cherry Creek is 19 minutes in perfect conditions at best.  John Lott, as he does, is fudging his stats to back his conclusion.  There are other theaters within 20 minutes of the 80010 zip code (which is how he came up with his "stat"), but they are not that close to the shooters apartment.

He went to the closest theater.

/And don't get me started on Lott's claim that that was a low crime area.
 
2012-12-28 10:01:40 PM  

Nem Wan: Does being in a "posse" make a civilian into a bona fide "law enforcement officer"?


Yes.
 
2012-12-28 10:01:44 PM  

taurusowner: YouWinAgainGravity: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

Would you like to purchase one of these special rocks from me? They will protect you from tiger attacks. The rocks are even armed with guns.

Was there a joke or meme in there I didn't get?


Homer: "Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol is working like a charm!"
Lisa: "That's specious reasoning, dad."
Homer: "Thank you, Lisa."
Lisa: "By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away."
Homer: "Hmm; how does it work?"
Lisa: "It doesn't work; it's just a stupid rock!"
Homer: "Uh-huh."
Lisa: "... but I don't see any tigers around, do you?"
Homer: "Lisa, I want to buy your rock..."

http://www.criticalthinking.org.uk/tigerrepellantrock/
 
2012-12-28 10:02:20 PM  
I saw a gentleman with an AZ license plate the other day. His truck had bumper stickers that said "License to hunt liberals" and "License to hunt terrorists," tied together neatly with a shiny pair of truck nuts. I think that sums up that state rather concisely.
 
2012-12-28 10:02:58 PM  

Moonfisher: I saw a gentleman with an AZ license plate the other day. His truck had bumper stickers that said "License to hunt liberals" and "License to hunt terrorists," tied together neatly with a shiny pair of truck nuts. I think that sums up that state rather concisely.


Doesn't sound to different than here.

/Georgia
//leaving next year
 
2012-12-28 10:03:02 PM  

Alleyoop: From the sound of the headline, Subby wants the sheriff to do nothing to safeguard the children.


He could always start investigating the sexual assaults and serving the felony warrants that he currently ignores.  That is far more likely to help the kids in Maricopa County than having his elderly buddies wander around schools.
 
2012-12-28 10:06:16 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.


Funny how the Klu Klux Klan was such a strong supporter of gun control. Wonder why that was... oh right. Because it's hard to lynch someone who can defend themselves against a mob. You must be white.
 
2012-12-28 10:13:35 PM  
I heard an interview with Sheriff Joe on CBC last week.
He could barely understand simple questions, much less answer them coherently.
 
2012-12-28 10:14:38 PM  
taurusowner:
And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.


There's pretty much an equal chance that there wouldn't be a mass school shooting at any of those places if there were not posse there either.

It's a minor risk, and anyone deranged enough to go killing kids probably doesn't give a rats ass about some amateurs with guns.
 
2012-12-28 10:15:52 PM  

JesseL: A reminder: Police officers (except military police) are civilians too.


Yeah, but it's not like they're real people.
 
2012-12-28 10:16:25 PM  
This country has gone full retard
 
2012-12-28 10:16:46 PM  

Securitywyrm: Mad_Radhu: Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.

Funny how the Klu Klux Klan was such a strong supporter of gun control keeping their own guns but taking them away from non-whites. Wonder why that was... oh right. Because it's hard to lynch someone who can defend themselves against a mob. You must be white.


The KKK never supported gun control laws, since they applied to everyone, not just non-whites. Instead they took guns away from blacks by force. There's a difference between gun control laws and forced disarmament, despite the NRA's claims to the contrary.
 
2012-12-28 10:27:47 PM  

crabsno termites: Godscrack: These a-holes can't wait for an excuse to go shoot up sum 'illegals'. I hope the feds come in and finally put the banhammer down on these fascists.

And that shiatstain Tom Horne along with 'em.

Didn't they hang Tom in Wyoming years ago?


Indeed.
 
2012-12-28 10:28:14 PM  
He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?
 
2012-12-28 10:34:13 PM  
My mistake, answering my own question... that's SOUTHERN Arizona.
 
2012-12-28 10:35:40 PM  

Arnprior Joe: taurusowner:
And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.


There's pretty much an equal chance that there wouldn't be a mass school shooting at any of those places if there were not posse there either.

It's a minor risk, and anyone deranged enough to go killing kids probably doesn't give a rats ass about some amateurs with guns.


People who specifically want to commit this kind of crime don't want a firefight, they want a massacre. These madmen and copycats are looking to be superstars of the news. Not the guy punked by some 2a practicing hick or a minimal wage mall cop.

Chances are that visible security will shunt them to a less defended target.

/which is why we still need to hit the problem at the source, or we just make different kinds of rampages in different places.
 
2012-12-28 10:37:41 PM  

whatshisname: I heard an interview with Sheriff Joe on CBC last week. He could barely understand simple questions, much less answer them coherently.


Just like Jan Brewer. They're being controlled by much larger racist people in the background that tell them to shut up about everything. That's why they can't form their own opinions. Their southern bosses tell them 'Don't answer their questions, they just want a soundbite.' They're puppets.

They're driven by pure hatred and anger because they can't stand having a black president. So they're going after powerless immigrants that can't fight back.

They know better than to go after black people anymore.
 
2012-12-28 10:40:51 PM  
i28.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-28 10:42:29 PM  

Apos: I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.


Maybe Tucson or Flagsaff would suit. I'm going to Tucson and we're planning a trip to see some stuff up in Phoenix, I'm going to be darn sure we don't get lost or something.
 
2012-12-28 10:42:30 PM  

CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?


Old, scared and white. Three little words that cover all the bases.
 
2012-12-28 10:42:55 PM  

muck4doo: This country has gone full retard


I believe it's called  futard...

*)

P.S. Wait, I just called it now.
 
2012-12-28 10:44:11 PM  

Arnprior Joe: taurusowner:
And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.


There's pretty much an equal chance that there wouldn't be a mass school shooting at any of those places if there were not posse there either.

It's a minor risk, and anyone deranged enough to go killing kids probably doesn't give a rats ass about some amateurs with guns.


Yeah about that. Detroit police station shooting. A lot of these mass shooters have mental problems, and because of that once they get fixated on a target they are going to go after no matter what is in their way.
 
2012-12-28 10:44:35 PM  
Aw crap, wrong thread. :)
I was temporarily distracted by a string of police cars and firetrucks flying by.
 
2012-12-28 10:44:39 PM  

KidneyStone: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

So how come you never see mass shootings at gun shows?


Because you're forced to unload and run a little zip tie through the action of any weapon entering the place?
 
2012-12-28 10:48:45 PM  
If the 2nd Amendment is about keeping citizen militias ready to oust a tyrant, why is Arpaio still in office? It's not like there's a shortage of armed citizens in AZ.
 
2012-12-28 10:49:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.


Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest ... if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity - Mahatma Gandhi
 
2012-12-28 10:49:51 PM  

Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: Mad_Radhu: You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

You're confusing lack of morality with lack of intelligence or forethought. Try to actually research school shootings before spouting off like that. Most of them show some form of planning on the part of the shooter. A lot of planning actually. True, the shooters are sociopaths with totally broken sense of right and wrong. But that doesn't turn them into blithering idiots who can't tie their shoes. Many school shooters have had above average IQs. Looking at the steps they took to prepare for their crimes shows most put a fair amount of thought into it. Bringing backpacks of magazines and multiple weapons like Cho, waiting til the School Resource Officer was on his lunch break like at Columbine, the two kids who set up snipers nests and the pulled the fire alarms so they could take shots at the kids who came outside in groups. Terrible evil acts, but planned calculated acts nonetheless.

What I am saying is that the school shootings happened at the schools because that is where the people that they wanted to take their anger out at were located, so the armed guards will do little to deter them. These individuals want to act out their revenge fantasies and go out in a hail of gunfire. The threat of lethal force isn't going to deter someone who has basically decided to commit suicide.


You know how I know you're not a child psychologist?

The point of these Columbine-style attacks is not to "go out guns blazing", it's to take out the people who the shooters think need to be taken out. Tormentors, bullies, what have you. The only reason schools are where these shootings go down is because that's where the largest concentration of targets will be. Anything that jeopardizes the perceived chance of success will cause the shooters to question whether or not to do what they're going to do at that particular location. Armed guards would be such a thing.

Point of fact: the Columbine kids hadn't planned on committing suicide, though they were prepared to do it. The plan was to blow up the lunchroom, shoot fleeing survivors, blow up arriving emergency personnel with bombs in their vehicles, and then flee in the confusion. Regardless of how unrealistic the plan was, it still wasn't guaranteed suicide.

Of course, the problem is that if someone like this is truly dedicated to killing a bunch of people, armed guards will merely make them change the location of where they do it. Instead of their school, they may wait until they hear about a party that all the "popular kids" are going to attend, etc. A delay, instead of a prevention, which is good but not the magic cure-all some people make it out to be. At least with a delay there's more chance the potential shooters might be discovered and stopped.
 
2012-12-28 10:52:25 PM  

Teufelaffe: snip

The KKK never supported gun control laws, since they applied to everyone, not just non-whites. Instead they took guns away from blacks by force. There's a difference between gun control laws and forced disarmament, despite the NRA's claims to the contrary.


You should really do some due diligence vis-a-vis history of gun control. Hint: your ignorance is showing.

I suggest you visit http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/movieplay-ngn-swf.htm
 
2012-12-28 10:54:59 PM  

Flappyhead: CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?

Old, scared and white. Three little words that cover all the bases.


Pretty much explains why I felt the way I did when my wallet was stolen from the locker at the gym (replace "scared" with "vengeful", but two out of three ain't bad).
 
2012-12-28 10:59:43 PM  

CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?


I have family in Maricopa County.  My stepfather and most of his buddies think he's great because he pisses off the liberals and he's the one guy willing to not be PC (their words, from a discussion on Christmas eve).  My grandmother and her husband feel like he's the only law enforcement official in the country who takes illegal immigration seriously.  My step-sister thinks he's an attention whore and a crook, but still isn't gonna vote for a Democrat for dogcatcher.
 
2012-12-28 11:01:08 PM  

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'


What a big, scary world you live in. I don't know how you make it out your front door without either pissing yourself or shooting the paperboy.

Seriously, this ain't the Wild West, no matter how much you wish it was. All this crap about "taking responsibility" is just another gun nut wanting to feel big.
 
2012-12-28 11:01:55 PM  

IlGreven: sheep snorter: Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?

Yup, look at all these non-white mass murderers:

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I believe this is what the librul media would denote as "swarthy".

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We all know that that is not a natural hair color for a real Murcan. He must be Puerto Rican.

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Sodini? Don't sound Murcan enough. Is it French, or is it Italian? Perhaps Fritalian?

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Now here's a real Murcan who didn't shoot up nobody that din't deserve it. All he did was bring God back to the church.


Nevar forget 4/19/1995.

/Link
 
2012-12-28 11:05:41 PM  

ski9600: IlGreven: sheep snorter: Sheriff joe to form a pussy possie posie pose barrier around the schools to keep all them non-whites out of the school, since we all know that only non-whites go about shooting up everything in sight....
/A dirty white guy with multiple weapons is non-white huh?

Yup, look at all these non-white mass murderers:

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I believe this is what the librul media would denote as "swarthy".

[upload.wikimedia.org image 217x224]

We all know that that is not a natural hair color for a real Murcan. He must be Puerto Rican.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 150x222]

Sodini? Don't sound Murcan enough. Is it French, or is it Italian? Perhaps Fritalian?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 215x213]

Now here's a real Murcan who didn't shoot up nobody that din't deserve it. All he did was bring God back to the church.

Nevar forget 4/19/1995.

/Link


//Grow your own content, man.
 
2012-12-28 11:13:05 PM  

BSABSVR: CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?

I have family in Maricopa County.  My stepfather and most of his buddies think he's great because he pisses off the liberals and he's the one guy willing to not be PC (their words, from a discussion on Christmas eve).  My grandmother and her husband feel like he's the only law enforcement official in the country who takes illegal immigration seriously.  My step-sister thinks he's an attention whore and a crook, but still isn't gonna vote for a Democrat for dogcatcher.


As I said, I have both conservative and liberal views (politely arguing when invited to your Thanksgiving dinner because I don't want anyone to take away my gravy), but I will align myself with your grandmother and step-sister.  And the rest of your family... I have a knife!!!
 
2012-12-28 11:14:46 PM  

CorpusDelicti: BSABSVR: CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?

I have family in Maricopa County.  My stepfather and most of his buddies think he's great because he pisses off the liberals and he's the one guy willing to not be PC (their words, from a discussion on Christmas eve).  My grandmother and her husband feel like he's the only law enforcement official in the country who takes illegal immigration seriously.  My step-sister thinks he's an attention whore and a crook, but still isn't gonna vote for a Democrat for dogcatcher.

As I said, I have both conservative and liberal views (politely arguing when invited to your Thanksgiving dinner because I don't want anyone to take away my gravy), but I will align myself with your grandmother and step-sister.  And the rest of your family... I have a knife!!!


I don't need a knife...
 
2012-12-28 11:28:20 PM  
I've decided that I like Sheriff Joe because he pisses off so many aholes...
 
2012-12-28 11:33:41 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'

What a big, scary world you live in. I don't know how you make it out your front door without either pissing yourself or shooting the paperboy.

Seriously, this ain't the Wild West, no matter how much you wish it was. All this crap about "taking responsibility" is just another gun nut wanting to feel big.


I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.
 
2012-12-28 11:37:24 PM  

stoli n coke: Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?


Or that Fort Hood had a shiatload of MPs and hudreds of people trained in unarmed combat?


Yes, Ft. Hood had tons of guns and ammo and M1 Abrams and Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Apaches and all sorts of other weapons. They also had a ton of battle hardened Infantryman who knew how to engage an enemy and had been in actual combat situations where they probably wouldn't have frozen up given the chance to defend themselves. But you know what point is that you idiots seem to be missing? The fact that none of those soldiers - those combat veterans - were allowed, or are still allowed, to carry privately owned firearms on post. When I was stationed there (1/9 CAV - 91-94), I had to check my firearms with the company armorer whenever I came back to post where I had them out. And keep in mind that I was there - actually I was 4 blocks away from the restaurant at the time - when the Luby's massacre happened. That was the really the kicker for CCW being allowed in Texas, and it's funny how it hasn't really happened in Texas since then, until Ft. Hood.

So thank you for clearly making the point that even battle trained soldiers are pretty worthless against a would-be killer when they aren't allowed to carry their weapons. You farking moran.
 
2012-12-28 11:39:42 PM  

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'

What a big, scary world you live in. I don't know how you make it out your front door without either pissing yourself or shooting the paperboy.

Seriously, this ain't the Wild West, no matter how much you wish it was. All this crap about "taking responsibility" is just another gun nut wanting to feel big.

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.


Want to be on my new TV Show?   Its called, "Paranoid Schizophrenics say the Darnedest Things."
 
2012-12-28 11:51:33 PM  

Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.


I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.
 
2012-12-29 12:04:07 AM  

Godscrack: whatshisname: I heard an interview with Sheriff Joe on CBC last week. He could barely understand simple questions, much less answer them coherently.

Just like Jan Brewer. They're being controlled by much larger racist people in the background that tell them to shut up about everything. That's why they can't form their own opinions. Their southern bosses tell them 'Don't answer their questions, they just want a soundbite.' They're puppets.

They're driven by pure hatred and anger because they can't stand having a black president. So they're going after powerless immigrants that can't fight back.

They know better than to go after black people anymore.


I didn't get the impression that he was being controlled. Just that he had the IQ of a toaster, and was maybe less eloquent.
 
2012-12-29 12:09:58 AM  

taurusowner: So what. I would bet most of you Farkers encounter someone with a CCW almost every day without even knowing it. Maybe it's that guy filling his tank up at the gas station in the morning. Maybe it was that mom in front of you in line at Wal-Mart. Maybe someone in that big group at Crapplebees was carrying. People carry guns. Nothing happens.


If you see a 5'7" slightly crazy looking guy with glasses around the Petersburg VA area, he and his Steyr 9mm (that so far has not left from it's holster and started blasting death) say 'Hi'

He kinda looks like this
 
2012-12-29 12:10:34 AM  

Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.


To be fair, Arpaio is kind of case-in-point for law officers sometimes being up to no good and citizens needing to be allowed legal recourse to defend themselves form the cops beyond trying to find other cops that aren't engaged in illegal activity.

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one.


Most home-scale first aid kits have an epi-pen, and you should not carry a defibrillator because you're far more likely to kill someone with it than you are shooting a gun at them. People survive getting shot all the time, some dumbass stopping their heart because they're using a surgical tool when they have no diagnostic expertise not so much.

On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.
 
2012-12-29 12:15:00 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.

I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.


Statistically, the one most likely to be killed by your car is you.
You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.
 
2012-12-29 12:20:17 AM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2012-12-29 12:21:51 AM  

Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.


The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.
 
2012-12-29 12:24:55 AM  

Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.

I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.

Statistically, the one most likely to be killed by your car is you.
You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.


Or Serbian, or Swiss, or Iraqi...you do realize that the United States has the most guns per capita on Earth, right? We're not exactly inches away from having almost no guns.  FYI, Britain is in 88th place.
 
2012-12-29 12:29:34 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


It's more like the elderly residents of Idaho, Montana, North Dakota and a bunch of other cold states who have winter homes in Maricopa and vote in both their home state and AZ approve of this.

Also the residents of Maricopa who have summer homes in cold states like Idaho and Montana.

You can tell who they are in Maricopa. They're the ones with out of state plates because registering your car in AZ is about half a mortgage payment.

We need voter ID laws - cross-referenced with other states to prevent double-voting.
 
2012-12-29 12:39:46 AM  

Securitywyrm: You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.


Is that meant to be alarming, xenophobic, or just straight-up retarded?
 
2012-12-29 12:39:53 AM  
What a member of Joe's armed volunteer posse may look like:

rollingout.com

/sure they will be sick and tired of them Hispanic kids terrorizing the good White kids
 
2012-12-29 12:40:16 AM  

vudukungfu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: And the countdown until some poor janitor carrying a mop "in a threatening manner" gets accidentally shot 244 times starts...now

If he ain't white.


He's wong
 
2012-12-29 12:41:14 AM  

iheartscotch: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him

Partly that; but, the last few serious opponents he's had have suffered some very embarrassing political incedents close to election time.

/ it's all very unfortunate for them


I moved away years ago, but the last time I voted against Arpaio I don't even remember his opponent in the general election. All I remember is he was not Arpaio.

I do however remember his opponent in the primary - Dan Saban. Yep, Saban used to be a Republican and during the run up to the GOP primary Arpaio launched an "investigation" into an incident that occurred 25 years earlier.

That;'s right folks, all of a sudden Sheriff Joke decided to issue press releases that he was investigating his opponent for RAPING HIS MOTHER back in 1969. There wasn't any evidence and even if there was it was beyond the statute of limitations. After splashing it all over the headlines for a couple of weeks (Arpaio has relatives who run the local press) it was announced that the investigation was being turned over to Pima County's sheriff who looked at it and promptly dropped it (pointing out that neither was there any evidence, but it was well beyond the statute of limitations).
 
2012-12-29 12:42:40 AM  
Dear Phoenix Farkers,

If Sheriff A-Hole goes through with this please, for the love of comedy, call the local police and report that you have seen a shady looking person hanging around a local school! Oh, and be sure to video tape it, post it to YouTube, and submit it here on Fark! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!


Sincerely,
Mock26.

 
2012-12-29 12:43:17 AM  

Dimensio: Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.

The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.


Try these on for size then:

Richard Poplawski - Shot and killed 3 cops. (2009)
Michael McLendon - Shot and killed 10 people and himself (2009)
Carey H. Dyess - Shot and killed 5 people and himself (2011)
Omar Thornton - 9 dead, including himself. (2010)
Gerardo Regalado - 5 dead, including himself. (2010)
Christopher Speight - 8 dead. (2010)

That's just some...there's even more. So, do we want to keep pretending that CCW holders don't have at least the same potential to be mass murderers as other people,?
 
2012-12-29 12:50:53 AM  

ds_4815: Securitywyrm: You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.

Is that meant to be alarming, xenophobic, or just straight-up retarded?

 
2012-12-29 12:54:28 AM  

Securitywyrm: I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.


Who says? I have real things to worry about. Why would I need to take part in your testosterone-laden fantasy world?
 
2012-12-29 12:56:31 AM  

ski9600: Apos: I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.

Maybe Tucson or Flagsaff would suit. I'm going to Tucson and we're planning a trip to see some stuff up in Phoenix, I'm going to be darn sure we don't get lost or something.


Please don't, got enough left leaning tools from California that flooded here over the last decade. You probably wouldn't like it anyway, tons of concealed carrying individuals here, licensed and not licensed.
 
2012-12-29 12:57:42 AM  

taurusowner: They carry guns to go shopping and get gas and eat in restaurants and pass you in the parking lot.


You're not exactly helping the "gun owners != paranoid" argument.
 
2012-12-29 12:58:33 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: If the 2nd Amendment is about keeping citizen militias ready to oust a tyrant, why is Arpaio still in office? It's not like there's a shortage of armed citizens in AZ.


Because people like him. As stated by someone earlier its not the snowbird myth that keeps him in office.
 
2012-12-29 01:02:36 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Most home-scale first aid kits have an epi-pen, and you should not carry a defibrillator because you're far more likely to kill someone with it than you are shooting a gun at them. People survive getting shot all the time, some dumbass stopping their heart because they're using a surgical tool when they have no diagnostic expertise not so much.

On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.


You mean people shouldn't be carrying around instruments that carry an extreme risk of harm to themselves or others without extensive training? You've sold me.

There are various surveys out there that try to estimate "defensive gun use" when rounds aren't fired, and their results differ by orders of magnitude, meaning they're statistically worthless. The hard numbers we do have are about 200 justifiable firearm homicides in the US per year, versus about 10,000 murders. Seems balanced to me.
 
2012-12-29 01:04:47 AM  
Can somebody just shoot this scumbag in the face already..

There needs to be more killings of thugs like arpaio in this country.

Also the phelps clan and grover norquist.

If someone has repeatedly proved themselves to be evil or treasonous then shoot them.


I would love to see an armed posse go to oos house and arpaios house and rain some hell.
 
2012-12-29 01:06:14 AM  
Oh look, it's the thread where everyone imagines that crazed shooters are in reality sane, logical people driven by understandable agendas, while rationally motivated criminals are merely lunatics who arrive at random spots and start wildly gunning down everyone in sight; and everyone who owns a firearm and has a CCW card is a Tier One scout-sniper who can pick out the eye of a gnat at 1500 yards under fire.
 
2012-12-29 01:14:55 AM  

Teufelaffe: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: Securitywyrm:

I feel sorry for you. Someday you'll wake up.
Better worried over nothing than care-free and blindsided.

I certainly don't feel sorry for you, because that gun you've got such a hard-on for is far more likely to get someone killed than my lack of one. Of course, statistically the most likely person to be killed by your gun is you, so maybe there's room for a little pity.

Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one. But I doubt it, because its never really about "being prepared" for the gun nuts, its about the power trip.

Statistically, the one most likely to be killed by your car is you.
You're right, americans don't need so many guns. After all, if they didn't have so many guns... they'd be British.

Or Serbian, or Swiss, or Iraqi...you do realize that the United States has the most guns per capita on Earth, right? We're not exactly inches away from having almost no guns.  FYI, Britain is in 88th place.


Tell you what. You can have a gun, but you're not allowed to own ammunition. There we go, nice safe world!
Grow up.
 
2012-12-29 01:14:58 AM  
He's beaten EVERY bogus lawsuit and investigation they've thrown at him and crime is going down in Arizona at twice the national rate.

He's doing it right,
 
2012-12-29 01:15:48 AM  
Sheriff Joe, what a tool.
Nope, not going to Arizona - If Joe Tool keeps getting elected I wonder whats going on there.  Must be a pretttyy vi-o-lent place.  Not some where I'd want to vacation much less buy a home.
 
2012-12-29 01:18:26 AM  

Teufelaffe: Dimensio: Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.

The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.

Try these on for size then:

Richard Poplawski - Shot and killed 3 cops. (2009)
Michael McLendon - Shot and killed 10 people and himself (2009)
Carey H. Dyess - Shot and killed 5 people and himself (2011)
Omar Thornton - 9 dead, including himself. (2010)
Gerardo Regalado - 5 dead, including himself. (2010)
Christopher Speight - 8 dead. (2010)

That's just some...there's even more. So, do we want to keep pretending that CCW holders don't have at least the same potential to be mass murderers as other people,?


I am "pretending" nothing, though I am aware that the report of Gerardo Regalado holding a concealed weapons permit is not corroborated by authoritative sources (I have not investigated the other individuals). I am stating only that Mambo Bananapatch lied.
 
2012-12-29 01:23:03 AM  

dropdfun: ski9600: Apos: I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.

Maybe Tucson or Flagsaff would suit. I'm going to Tucson and we're planning a trip to see some stuff up in Phoenix, I'm going to be darn sure we don't get lost or something.

Please don't, got enough left leaning tools from California that flooded here over the last decade. You probably wouldn't like it anyway, tons of concealed carrying individuals here, licensed and not licensed.


And where are you from?

In all the time I lived in Maricopa I never met anyone who was actually born in AZ.

I'm not worried about the concealed carriers in AZ, but I still am freaked out by some of the people who exercise their right to open carry. The first time I saw it I was in a convenience store and the guy waiting patiently in line in front of me had an AK47 some sort of handgun in a holster. My first thought was something like "Oh shiat, I just walked in on a convenience store robbery. I'll just get in line behind the robber."

It really boggles my mind how someone thinks they should take a handgun with them when they go to buy a bottled water or a Big Gulp or whatever it was he bought (I don't remember).  This was in the middle of the day in a decent neighborhood with not a whole lot of crime.

Overall, AZ is a nice place. I hesitate to say this as I don't want it more overrun than it is, but the desert is beautiful. You get used to the heat very quickly and when people say "but it's a dry heat", it's not a farking joke. Give me 120 degrees and 20% humidity over 95 degrees and 95% humidity any time.

Besides, if it's too hot, you can always stay inside (unless your job requires you to work outside in which case it's probably better than Mexico or Guatemala which is where you'd probably be from).

Phoenix (and surrounding suburbs) isn't paradise but any big city has some crime and some shiatty neighborhoods.
 
2012-12-29 01:31:07 AM  

Teufelaffe: Dimensio: Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.

The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.

Try these on for size then:

Richard Poplawski - Shot and killed 3 cops. (2009)
Michael McLendon - Shot and killed 10 people and himself (2009)
Carey H. Dyess - Shot and killed 5 people and himself (2011)
Omar Thornton - 9 dead, including himself. (2010)
Gerardo Regalado - 5 dead, including himself. (2010)
Christopher Speight - 8 dead. (2010)

That's just some...there's even more. So, do we want to keep pretending that CCW holders don't have at least the same potential to be mass murderers as other people,?


I have further researched your list. Omar Thornton lived in Connecticut, which issues concealed weapons permits on a "may issue" basis. No credible source has confirmed that Mr. Thornton had been issued such a permit.

You are evidently deriving your data from the Violence Policy Center, which is known to rely upon demonstrably dishonest claims: http://maint.ssrn.com/?abstract_id=2095754 (note that the link is currently down, but it will be restored when maintenance is finished).
 
2012-12-29 01:46:30 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: He's beaten EVERY bogus lawsuit and investigation they've thrown at him and crime is going down in Arizona at twice the national rate.

He's doing it right,


Actually, the MCSO has lost numerous lawsuits at significant expense to taxpayers and I'm going to request a citation for your claim about crime going down at twice the national rate.

Crime has been going down all over the country for the last couple of decades. The reasons are too complex for me to even grasp it all, but I'm sure there are a variety of reasons for that. I'm certain Sheriff Joke is not responsible.
 
2012-12-29 01:47:52 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Apparently the residents of Maricopa County approve of this

/they keep electing him


I hate to tell you this Binky Boy. Sheriff Nickle Bag Joe only won by 51%. That's a very narrow victory. If Sheriff Joe hadn't gone so low to falsely accuse Penzone for being a wife beater, Sheriff Joe would have lost the election. There is something wrong when you have to lie to get points.

BTW I voted for Penzone.
 
2012-12-29 01:48:12 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: He's beaten EVERY bogus lawsuit and investigation they've thrown at him


Sorry, I just realized you only mentioned the "bogus" lawsuits. That is to suggest that the lawsuits he lost were not bogus.

Carry on, then.
 
2012-12-29 01:58:36 AM  
"The study, commissioned by the Arizona Prosecuting Attorneys Advisory Council, also shows the state's crime rate has fallen 38.5% since 2002, which is about twice the crime rate drop for the nation as a whole.


Crime has dropped all across the country, but the decrease has been as fast or faster in Arizona. The rate of property crimes in the state, for example, has plummeted 43% since 1995, compared with 30% nationwide.

Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery says neither he nor the study can pinpoint why the crime rate has fallen so dramatically, but he suspects it's a combination of factors. He points to the state's human smuggling law, where there have been some prosecutions of both the "coyotes" and their human cargo; the employer sanctions law, which allows for sanctions against employers who hire illegal immigrants; Senate Bill 1070, the state's immigration enforcement law which has been partially put on hold by a federal court; and the poor economy."

I would add that it's not enough to HAVE the laws if they're not enforced, which Joe does and the federal government does not. I would further add the large number of conceal carry permits.

As for the lawsuits, the federal government quietly (and during a holiday weekend) dropped its investigation, and he won another discrimination lawsuit just a few days ago. They keep flinging poo at him and it doesn't stick because he's just enforcing the law,
 
2012-12-29 02:12:28 AM  

Happy Hours: dropdfun: ski9600: Apos: I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.

Maybe Tucson or Flagsaff would suit. I'm going to Tucson and we're planning a trip to see some stuff up in Phoenix, I'm going to be darn sure we don't get lost or something.

Please don't, got enough left leaning tools from California that flooded here over the last decade. You probably wouldn't like it anyway, tons of concealed carrying individuals here, licensed and not licensed.

And where are you from?

In all the time I lived in Maricopa I never met anyone who was actually born in AZ.

I'm not worried about the concealed carriers in AZ, but I still am freaked out by some of the people who exercise their right to open carry. The first time I saw it I was in a convenience store and the guy waiting patiently in line in front of me had an AK47 some sort of handgun in a holster. My first thought was something like "Oh shiat, I just walked in on a convenience store robbery. I'll just get in line behind the robber."

It really boggles my mind how someone thinks they should take a handgun with them when they go to buy a bottled water or a Big Gulp or whatever it was he bought (I don't remember).  This was in the middle of the day in a decent neighborhood with not a whole lot of crime.

Overall, AZ is a nice place. I hesitate to say this as I don't want it more overrun than it is, but the desert is beautiful. You get used to the heat very quickly and when people say "but it's a dry heat", it's not a farking joke. Give me 120 degrees and 20% humidity over 95 degrees and 95% humidity any time.

Besides, if it's too hot, you can always stay inside (unless your job requires you to work outside in which case it's probably better than Mexico or Guatemala which is where you'd probably be from).

Phoenix (and surrounding suburbs) isn't paradise but any big city has some c ...


Born in AZ then left for little over two decades due to fathers military career then my own venture in the military to head overseas for a time. Back to stay it would seem unless my job requires me leave but I'm hoping not, kinda like it here.
 
2012-12-29 02:17:47 AM  

Happy Hours: Actually, the MCSO has lost numerous lawsuits at significant expense to taxpayers and I'm going to request a citation for your claim about crime going down at twice the national rate.


STRYPERSWINE stated that the Sheriff has prevailed against all of the "bogus" lawsuits filed against him. Obviously, the lawsuits lost by the county and by the Sheriff were not "bogus".
 
2012-12-29 02:20:15 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.

To be fair, Arpaio is kind of case-in-point for law officers sometimes being up to no good and citizens needing to be allowed legal recourse to defend themselves form the cops beyond trying to find other cops that aren't engaged in illegal activity.

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one.

Most home-scale first aid kits have an epi-pen, and you should not carry a defibrillator because you're far more likely to kill someone with it than you are shooting a gun at them. People survive getting shot all the time, some dumbass stopping their heart because they're using a surgical tool when they have no diagnostic expertise not so much.

On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.


You have no idea what a defibrillator is, do you?

Also, where can you get a first aid kit with an epipen? Especially considering that epipens require a prescription (at least in the US).
 
2012-12-29 02:42:20 AM  

unyon: Attention citizens:  If you're patrolling around a schoolyard with a gun, and you spot someone else with a gun, I recommend opening fire immediately.

/that oughta solve the problem


I LOL'd mightily
 
2012-12-29 02:46:11 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: He's beaten EVERY bogus lawsuit and investigation they've thrown at him and crime is going down in Arizona at twice the national rate.

He's doing it right,


If you consider $40 million dollars in payouts to be beating.  And you think he's Sheriff of Arizona.  Then sure, he's doing it right.
 
2012-12-29 02:50:53 AM  

Jim_Callahan: On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.


This data point rivals "alcohol related vehicular accidents" as one of the most worthless statistics ever compiled.
 
2012-12-29 03:02:11 AM  

STRYPERSWINE:

As for the lawsuits, the federal government quietly (and during a holiday weekend) dropped its investigation, and he won another discrimination lawsuit just a few days ago. They keep flinging poo at him and it doesn't stick because he's just enforcing the law,


Meanwhile his buddy in the DA office can no longer practice law in Arizona. The only reason Joe didn't wind up with a similar fate is because there is no independent body regulating whether or not a sheriff has overstepped his authority and has the power to strip him of it. I've also heard he's pretty handy with a paper shredder.
 
2012-12-29 03:02:55 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


If you woke up asking yourself, "I wonder how I can send chills down Dickfreckle's spine today," you have done well.

I don't even have kids and that thought terrifies me. Bunch of redneck assholes patrolling children? Likely thimble-dicked and prime to lash out on account of it?

I have a sidearm. I keep it in a drawer (remember, no kids around). But something is wrong when you start actively patrolling for sh*t that's not likely to happen. That's just a bunch of assholes inviting a problem.
 
2012-12-29 03:04:36 AM  

mgshamster: Jim_Callahan: Diogenes: I wonder how old Joe feels about the NRA's push to allow you to shoot cops.

To be fair, Arpaio is kind of case-in-point for law officers sometimes being up to no good and citizens needing to be allowed legal recourse to defend themselves form the cops beyond trying to find other cops that aren't engaged in illegal activity.

Wolf_Blitzer: Do you carry a defibrillator? Epi-pen? You're far more likely to use those, and to save a life instead of taking one.

Most home-scale first aid kits have an epi-pen, and you should not carry a defibrillator because you're far more likely to kill someone with it than you are shooting a gun at them. People survive getting shot all the time, some dumbass stopping their heart because they're using a surgical tool when they have no diagnostic expertise not so much.

On the subject of saving lives, the BJS estimates for the number of times a gun is used defensively in the US is about 1 million per year. That far exceeds deaths caused if you're really serious about using that as a criterion.

You have no idea what a defibrillator is, do you?

Also, where can you get a first aid kit with an epipen? Especially considering that epipens require a prescription (at least in the US).


A friend of mine carries a medical kit that also contains a bottle of bourbon and a full seasoning rack. For marinade, in case the patient doesn't make it.

I love my friends.

Apparently he loves his friends too. Slow roasted.
 
2012-12-29 03:20:18 AM  
For those of you not from Arizona, here's how it actually is in Maricopa County:

* No Democrats vote for Joe.
* No Republicans under 65 years of age vote for Joe. Whatever you may think of the GOP nationally, in Arizona they're more libertarian than fundamentalist, and are more pissed at the money Joe spends on slush and loses in lawsuits than they are interested in his "tough on crime" schtick.
* Joe goes into Sun City, east Mesa, and all the retirement communities and tells the blue-hairs that if he isn't re-elected Sheriff, he can't keep the darkies out of their neighborhoods.
* Retirees vote at a 99% rate in Maricopa County (the 1% are the ones who die in the bus on the way to the polls
* Sheriff Joe re-elected with a "mandate" from the people! Yee-haw! (Fires guns in the air a la Yosemite Sam)

This problem will go away, but sort of like when you're in a common feeder line and all four of the teller windows clear up at once so you know you had to wait the longest possible time for a four-station service window, it will be a question of whether Joe dies first, or the people who elect him die in sufficient numbers first. And once we've waited the longest possible time for either of those two to happen, they'll both kind of happen at the same time and finally Joe will not be re-elected. Over/under says 2022 (he will stand for re-election in each Presidential election year).

/The More You Know(Tm)
 
2012-12-29 03:48:44 AM  
So if you want to kill kids in Maricopa county, all you have o do is volunteer to join the posse and the sheriff will allocate you a school? Wow, bright idea.
 
2012-12-29 05:34:47 AM  

cantsleep: ongbok: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.

I'm going to go out on limb and say that absolutely nothing happens.


Eventually, even less than nothing will happen; as Joe's Rough Riders become increasingly disinterested in working for free. Once the publicity fades, so do they.
 
2012-12-29 06:23:14 AM  

taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?


I don't know, but there was this son who took his mother's guns recently....
 
2012-12-29 07:20:11 AM  

Ilmarinen: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

I don't know, but there was this son who took his mother's guns recently....


You are aware of what getting a CCW permit entails?
 
2012-12-29 07:40:21 AM  
Number of kids dead in school shootings in 2012:   20
Number of kids dead by gun accidents:  166

Tell me where the greater danger is?
 
2012-12-29 07:56:50 AM  
How America loves it's mob bosses. Even the stupid, fat, retarded ones.
 
2012-12-29 08:09:25 AM  

ds_4815: taurusowner: They carry guns to go shopping and get gas and eat in restaurants and pass you in the parking lot.

You're not exactly helping the "gun owners != paranoid" argument.


Why on earth is that paranoid?

You keep a fire extinguisher and fire alarms in places you think a fire may occur. Not because you think it will, or want it to, but because you know if it does, you cannot solve it with your bare hands

You keep a spare tire in your care because flats may occur. Not because you think it will, or want it to, but because you know if it does, you cannot solve it with your bare hands

You wear a seatbelt in your car because accidents can happen.Not because you think they will, or want them to, but because you know if it does, you cannot solve it with your bare hands.

There are hundreds of examples. Safety rails, first aid kits, flashlights and candles, spare cell phone batteries. Hundreds if not thousands of examples of things you keep around or steps you take just in case something bad happens. Not because you think it will happen, or want it to happen. But because you know sometimes they do happen, and you're not capable of solving the problem with your bare hands.

Muggings happen. Assaults happen. Home invasions happen. Even mass shootings happen. So some people choose to keep a tool that can help in those situations. Not because they think it will. Not because they want it to. But because they know it can. And they know they can't solve these problems with their bare hands.

That's not paranoia.
 
2012-12-29 08:42:43 AM  
If he wants, I've got a magic rock that will keep tigers away.
 
2012-12-29 09:45:08 AM  

rnatalie: Number of kids dead in school shootings in 2012:   20
Number of kids dead by gun accidents:  166

Tell me where the greater danger is?


Peanuts.
Over 200 kids a year with around nine thousand hospitalizations.
 
2012-12-29 09:55:33 AM  

Godscrack: These a-holes can't wait for an excuse to go shoot up sum 'illegals'. I hope the feds come in and finally put the banhammer down on these fascists.

And that shiatstain Tom Horne along with 'em.


Go screw yourself, hippie.

IF you think a goddamn doorlock and banning assault weapons will somehow keep people safe, you are responsible for Newport.
 
2012-12-29 10:26:52 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Man, it surely must be a living Hell trying to exist in places where rightwingers rule. The posturing of dangerous cretins like this make me wish the Mayans were right.


edom2012.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-29 10:48:23 AM  

Dimensio: Teufelaffe: Dimensio: Mambo Bananapatch: taurusowner: LordJiro: Guns in schools are a great idea! After all, schools are a notoriously stress-free area. No WAY could this result in a teacher shooting a few kids, or a student getting ahold of the gun and blasting themselves and/or other people!

Right wingers base their ideas around Ayn Rand, the Bible, and action movies. They have no idea how reality works..

Carry to cite any examples of licensed CCW holders getting stressed and slaughtering people?

Rodney Peairs. Don't know the specifics of his licence and don't care. He is a perfect example of the sick nature of gun lovers.

The state of Texas did not implement a concealed weapons permit system until 1995. Your claim is therefore a lie, and you are therefore a liar for issuing it.

Try these on for size then:

Richard Poplawski - Shot and killed 3 cops. (2009)
Michael McLendon - Shot and killed 10 people and himself (2009)
Carey H. Dyess - Shot and killed 5 people and himself (2011)
Omar Thornton - 9 dead, including himself. (2010)
Gerardo Regalado - 5 dead, including himself. (2010)
Christopher Speight - 8 dead. (2010)

That's just some...there's even more. So, do we want to keep pretending that CCW holders don't have at least the same potential to be mass murderers as other people,?

I have further researched your list. Omar Thornton lived in Connecticut, which issues concealed weapons permits on a "may issue" basis. No credible source has confirmed that Mr. Thornton had been issued such a permit.

You are evidently deriving your data from the Violence Policy Center, which is known to rely upon demonstrably dishonest claims: http://maint.ssrn.com/?abstract_id=2095754 (note that the link is currently down, but it will be restored when maintenance is finished).


And Michael McLendon was a former cop. But it's ok for cops to have guns 'cause they're professionals.
 
2012-12-29 11:32:20 AM  

way south: rnatalie: Number of kids dead in school shootings in 2012:   20
Number of kids dead by gun accidents:  166

Tell me where the greater danger is?

Peanuts.
Over 200 kids a year with around nine thousand hospitalizations.



That's natural selection. If God liked those kids, he'd have made them not allergic.
 
2012-12-29 11:45:39 AM  

Dimensio: I have further researched your list. Omar Thornton lived in Connecticut, which issues concealed weapons permits on a "may issue" basis. No credible source has confirmed that Mr. Thornton had been issued such a permit.

You are evidently deriving your data from the Violence Policy Center, which is known to rely upon demonstrably dishonest claims: http://maint.ssrn.com/?abstract_id=2095754 (note that the link is currently down, but it will be restored when maintenance is finished).


Great, you've found one that may not have had a permit. That still doesn't change the fact that we have had CCW holders "getting stressed and slaughtering people." The CCW permit is not a magical talisman that keeps people from being unbalanced and/or violent.

And just to clarify, my comment about pretending that CCW holders are pristine saints was not directed at you, but at taurusowner who asked for the citations of CCW holders killing folks. My bad for doing a shiatty job of making that clear.

I am not anti-gun, by the way. I'm just anti-stupid, and this discussion tends to bring out the stupid. "MOAR GUNZ!" is not the answer. That's pretty much obvious since we have enough privately owned guns in the US to give one each to nearly 90% of our population. "TAKE AWAI ALL TEH GUNZ!" is also not the answer, for a whole list of reasons that should be fairly obvious. Both of those are treating the symptoms without even bothering to ask what the cause might be, and that is where we should be focusing. The questions we ask shouldn't be, "How did Shooter A get a hold of Guns X, Y, and Z?" or "Why weren't the people at Location S armed as well?" We should be asking, "Why did Shooter A kill those people, and what can we do to prevent it?"
 
2012-12-29 11:47:07 AM  

Teufelaffe: We should be asking, "Why did Shooter A kill those people, and what can we do to prevent it from happening again?"


FTFM
 
2012-12-29 12:48:29 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who wants armed amateurs, especially Joe's buddies, wandering around their kids' school?


You're a tenth grade dropout bagging groceries, aren't you?
 
2012-12-29 12:49:37 PM  

taurusowner:

Muggings happen. Assaults happen. Home invasions happen. Even mass shootings happen. So some people choose to keep a tool that can help in those situations. Not because they think it will. Not because they want it to. But because they know it can. And they know they can't solve these problems with their bare hands.

That's not paranoia.


No, it's gunsterbation. Thank you for letting us all know exactly why you own a gun and why you are the last person I'd want armed in a violent situation.
 
2012-12-29 01:40:31 PM  

taurusowner: cantsleep: ongbok: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't end well.

I'm going to go out on limb and say that absolutely nothing happens.

This.

Hate to interrupt the leftist circle jerk going on in this thread, but this is going to amount to a whole lot of nothing. The whole "blood running in the streets" this is beyond worn out. There's not going to be any mistaken identities, accidentally shot cops, students, or teachers. No gunning down of illegals.

And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

So despite this being "Sheriff Joe"...there really isn't that much of a story here. Some guys sitting in the school parking lots drinking coffee and....that's it. They happen to have guns on their belts. So what. I would bet most of you Farkers encounter someone with a CCW almost every day without even knowing it. Maybe it's that guy filling his tank up at the gas station in the morning. Maybe it was that mom in front of you in line at Wal-Mart. Maybe someone in that big group at Crapplebees was carrying. People carry guns. Nothing happens. If they're murderers, chances are they didn't go through the background check rigmarole to get a CCW license. But they're not, and nothing happens. They carry guns to go shopping and get gas and eat in resistant and pass you in the parking lot. Nothing happens. Get over it.


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Agree.
 
2012-12-31 07:04:30 PM  
Is it guns, per se?

Let's unpack this, shall we?

CCW results in how many appropriately psycho-moralitarily-normalized markspersons per year?
 
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