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2012-12-28 09:35:38 PM  

pxlboy: Securitywyrm: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.
In fact, a police officer has no duty to protect you, as ruled by the supreme court of the united states. So really, you're just scared that you have to take personal responsibility for your own safety and would rather be 'dead with someone else to blame' than 'alive by your own power.'

Those exposed to guns at a younger age are more comfortable than those who are not. Some people are afraid of them, even unnaturally so. That said, I've owned pistols and am not afraid to keep and shoot one. But I also never got a CCW permit because I wasn't comfortable carrying one on my person. I feel that it can lead to self-fulfilling prophecy with regards to gun violence.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.


Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.
 
2012-12-28 09:38:24 PM  
Tom Horne wants armed teachers, this douches wants armed patrols, add gun permits in AZ and you get a recipe of disaster.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:06 PM  

Godscrack: These a-holes can't wait for an excuse to go shoot up sum 'illegals'. I hope the feds come in and finally put the banhammer down on these fascists.

And that shiatstain Tom Horne along with 'em.


"We're from the government, and we're here to help." Hope that works out well for you.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:08 PM  

Flappyhead: pxlboy: Flappyhead: Elephantman: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 358x358]

Keep it to Facebook please.

I have also seen this plastered all over FB lately.

Why, yes, I *do* live in a red state! How did you know?

How hard has it been not to point out Columbine had armed guards?


Yeah, but they were pussies. We're talkin' Ari-by-God-zona here!
 
2012-12-28 09:39:43 PM  

mr intrepid: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

Ya know, I always wondered about that. Do the "snowbirds" vote locally AND via absentee ballots from their homes? If they do, isn't that .....wait for it.....voter fraud?


Yes.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:43 PM  
A reminder: Police officers (except military police) are civilians too.

Words mean things.
 
2012-12-28 09:40:21 PM  

Securitywyrm:

Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.


Awww, is the big scawy gubment monster hiding in your closet again?
 
2012-12-28 09:42:26 PM  

Flappyhead: Securitywyrm:

Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Awww, is the big scawy gubment monster hiding in your closet again?


Maybe he went to Kent State.
 
2012-12-28 09:42:31 PM  

JesseL: A reminder: Police officers (except military police) are civilians too.

Words mean things.


NSS?

I wish you wordists-now would have minded your words earlier, no?

Time is immaterial.

Atoms are not.

Word.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:28 PM  

mr intrepid: pxlboy: Indubitably: So,

People,

Remove him.

Or,

Mr. President?

*)

The part-time residents (snowbirds) are allowed to vote. And since they seem to outnumber the sensible folks, assholes like Joe are elected by scared old white people.

Nothing will change until Joe dies, the bluehair voting bloc dies off, the feds arrest him.

I'm not holding my breath on the second or third options. Though I have heard, but cannot substantiate, that the feds have been building a case on him. But I have no idea if that's true or just a rumor.

Ya know, I always wondered about that. Do the "snowbirds" vote locally AND via absentee ballots from their homes? If they do, isn't that .....wait for it.....voter fraud?


As I understand it, they are allowed to vote. I suspect this is because they tend to vote Republican and the state reps are also Republicans. This is merely conjecture, but would be unsurprising.
 
2012-12-28 09:45:40 PM  
I was a student in arizona schools. I wish I had been killed. My life would be much better.
 
2012-12-28 09:50:40 PM  
From the sound of the headline, Subby wants the sheriff to do nothing to safeguard the children.
 
2012-12-28 09:51:21 PM  
"Armed Volunteers" is all we to know here. He is just borrowing from LaPierre's first public commentary after the children were gunned down for just showing up at school. The head of the NRA suggested that they could provide voluteers to protect schools. Now- I am not here to debate gun laws- I believe that the we need to address our mental health system. But for the head of the NRA to offer up volunteers- really? I guess this is just right up Sheriff Joe's alley. I live in the deep south- so guns are all around. Ostensibly weilded by upstanding law abiding citizens. Some of these people are personal friends of mine. Most of these friends of mine should not be allowed to volunteer to "protect" a school. Unless of course we would like to see some sensless hairtrigger shootem' ups.
 
2012-12-28 09:51:46 PM  

Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.


Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.
 
2012-12-28 09:52:34 PM  

pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".


The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.
 
2012-12-28 09:54:57 PM  

way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.


You overstate.
 
2012-12-28 09:56:24 PM  

Indubitably: way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.

You overstate.


P.S. You better make Congress work in the next four years, or I will personally destroy the South. Try me  again.
 
2012-12-28 09:57:14 PM  

way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.


But this is America. And in America we don't admit or show weakness.

There needs to be a cultural change in the way we view and treat mental disorders. There should be, but I doubt it. Even the outrage of a bunch of killed kids isn't enough to put a stop to the escalating Wild West sh*t that enables the absurd proliferation of guns.

We'll point fingers and shout angrily, maybe ban certain things just long enough to forget why we did at all. And nothing will change.
 
2012-12-28 09:57:22 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.

You overstate.

P.S. You better make Congress work in the next four years, or I will personally destroy the South. Try me  again.


P.P.S. To storm. *)
 
2012-12-28 09:58:21 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: way south: pxlboy: Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

There are many who believe the TSA to have a similar level of efficacy due to the lack of attempts on airplanes because, "like, the terrorists are totes leaving their bombs at home".

The incidents are few and far apart as it is, so any solution will appear to work for a time. Joe throws a bunch of militia at the school, alot of nothing proceeds to happen, and he appears to proactively solve a problem that barely exists.

My theory is that its the same thing gun control advocates count on. They passed the AWB, nothing happened (until columbine and the DC sniper) and it seemed to work except for the fact that crime works on other factors than the available choice of weapons.

What finally put a haunt to terrorism wasn't jus the TSA standing guard (that headed off copycats mainly). Its that we pursued the money and hit their organizers overseas.
Mental illness is a big part of the school shooting incidents.
Visible guards will put an end to the copycats, spotting and treating social problems earlier will stop the true threats.

You overstate.

P.S. You better make Congress work in the next four years, or I will personally destroy the South. Try me  again.

P.P.S. To storm. *)


What's with the infinitives?
 
2012-12-28 09:58:50 PM  

Securitywyrm: The colorado shooter went to the only theater out of seven within a 20 mile radius that prohibited bringing an otherwise lawfully concealed weapon into the building. Those security guards you see are not 'off-duty police' they are slightly above minimum wage and the gun is only to protect themselves, not you.


See, you read a John Lott Article and you almost  quoted him verbatim.  Too bad both of you are misguided.  There are 4 theaters close to where Holmes lived, the Century 16, Cinema Latino, the Cinema Grill and the Harkins Theater at Northfield Stapleton.  Cinema Grill is a small theater that does not do midnight showings.  The Harkins theater was 6 miles and 13 minutes away.  I know nothing about Cinema Latino.  The Century 16 was 3 miles and 7 minutes away.  Also, Lott said 20 minutes, not 20 miles.  20 miles from Holmes' house would be probably 80% of the theaters in the Denver  metro area, which have varying policies regarding weapons.

Also the other theaters within a 20 minute drive of Holmes apartment are all 20 minutes away in perfect conditions.  The AMC 8 in Cherry Creek is 19 minutes in perfect conditions at best.  John Lott, as he does, is fudging his stats to back his conclusion.  There are other theaters within 20 minutes of the 80010 zip code (which is how he came up with his "stat"), but they are not that close to the shooters apartment.

He went to the closest theater.

/And don't get me started on Lott's claim that that was a low crime area.
 
2012-12-28 10:01:40 PM  

Nem Wan: Does being in a "posse" make a civilian into a bona fide "law enforcement officer"?


Yes.
 
2012-12-28 10:01:44 PM  

taurusowner: YouWinAgainGravity: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.

Would you like to purchase one of these special rocks from me? They will protect you from tiger attacks. The rocks are even armed with guns.

Was there a joke or meme in there I didn't get?


Homer: "Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol is working like a charm!"
Lisa: "That's specious reasoning, dad."
Homer: "Thank you, Lisa."
Lisa: "By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away."
Homer: "Hmm; how does it work?"
Lisa: "It doesn't work; it's just a stupid rock!"
Homer: "Uh-huh."
Lisa: "... but I don't see any tigers around, do you?"
Homer: "Lisa, I want to buy your rock..."

http://www.criticalthinking.org.uk/tigerrepellantrock/
 
2012-12-28 10:02:20 PM  
I saw a gentleman with an AZ license plate the other day. His truck had bumper stickers that said "License to hunt liberals" and "License to hunt terrorists," tied together neatly with a shiny pair of truck nuts. I think that sums up that state rather concisely.
 
2012-12-28 10:02:58 PM  

Moonfisher: I saw a gentleman with an AZ license plate the other day. His truck had bumper stickers that said "License to hunt liberals" and "License to hunt terrorists," tied together neatly with a shiny pair of truck nuts. I think that sums up that state rather concisely.


Doesn't sound to different than here.

/Georgia
//leaving next year
 
2012-12-28 10:03:02 PM  

Alleyoop: From the sound of the headline, Subby wants the sheriff to do nothing to safeguard the children.


He could always start investigating the sexual assaults and serving the felony warrants that he currently ignores.  That is far more likely to help the kids in Maricopa County than having his elderly buddies wander around schools.
 
2012-12-28 10:06:16 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.


Funny how the Klu Klux Klan was such a strong supporter of gun control. Wonder why that was... oh right. Because it's hard to lynch someone who can defend themselves against a mob. You must be white.
 
2012-12-28 10:13:35 PM  
I heard an interview with Sheriff Joe on CBC last week.
He could barely understand simple questions, much less answer them coherently.
 
2012-12-28 10:14:38 PM  
taurusowner:
And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.


There's pretty much an equal chance that there wouldn't be a mass school shooting at any of those places if there were not posse there either.

It's a minor risk, and anyone deranged enough to go killing kids probably doesn't give a rats ass about some amateurs with guns.
 
2012-12-28 10:15:52 PM  

JesseL: A reminder: Police officers (except military police) are civilians too.


Yeah, but it's not like they're real people.
 
2012-12-28 10:16:25 PM  
This country has gone full retard
 
2012-12-28 10:16:46 PM  

Securitywyrm: Mad_Radhu: Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.

Funny how the Klu Klux Klan was such a strong supporter of gun control keeping their own guns but taking them away from non-whites. Wonder why that was... oh right. Because it's hard to lynch someone who can defend themselves against a mob. You must be white.


The KKK never supported gun control laws, since they applied to everyone, not just non-whites. Instead they took guns away from blacks by force. There's a difference between gun control laws and forced disarmament, despite the NRA's claims to the contrary.
 
2012-12-28 10:27:47 PM  

crabsno termites: Godscrack: These a-holes can't wait for an excuse to go shoot up sum 'illegals'. I hope the feds come in and finally put the banhammer down on these fascists.

And that shiatstain Tom Horne along with 'em.

Didn't they hang Tom in Wyoming years ago?


Indeed.
 
2012-12-28 10:28:14 PM  
He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?
 
2012-12-28 10:34:13 PM  
My mistake, answering my own question... that's SOUTHERN Arizona.
 
2012-12-28 10:35:40 PM  

Arnprior Joe: taurusowner:
And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.


There's pretty much an equal chance that there wouldn't be a mass school shooting at any of those places if there were not posse there either.

It's a minor risk, and anyone deranged enough to go killing kids probably doesn't give a rats ass about some amateurs with guns.


People who specifically want to commit this kind of crime don't want a firefight, they want a massacre. These madmen and copycats are looking to be superstars of the news. Not the guy punked by some 2a practicing hick or a minimal wage mall cop.

Chances are that visible security will shunt them to a less defended target.

/which is why we still need to hit the problem at the source, or we just make different kinds of rampages in different places.
 
2012-12-28 10:37:41 PM  

whatshisname: I heard an interview with Sheriff Joe on CBC last week. He could barely understand simple questions, much less answer them coherently.


Just like Jan Brewer. They're being controlled by much larger racist people in the background that tell them to shut up about everything. That's why they can't form their own opinions. Their southern bosses tell them 'Don't answer their questions, they just want a soundbite.' They're puppets.

They're driven by pure hatred and anger because they can't stand having a black president. So they're going after powerless immigrants that can't fight back.

They know better than to go after black people anymore.
 
2012-12-28 10:40:51 PM  
i28.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-28 10:42:29 PM  

Apos: I had seriously considered AZ as a possible retirement spot, believe it of not, after a wonderful business trip to Phoenix four years ago. I'm strongly reconsidering that now.


Maybe Tucson or Flagsaff would suit. I'm going to Tucson and we're planning a trip to see some stuff up in Phoenix, I'm going to be darn sure we don't get lost or something.
 
2012-12-28 10:42:30 PM  

CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?


Old, scared and white. Three little words that cover all the bases.
 
2012-12-28 10:42:55 PM  

muck4doo: This country has gone full retard


I believe it's called  futard...

*)

P.S. Wait, I just called it now.
 
2012-12-28 10:44:11 PM  

Arnprior Joe: taurusowner:
And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid.


There's pretty much an equal chance that there wouldn't be a mass school shooting at any of those places if there were not posse there either.

It's a minor risk, and anyone deranged enough to go killing kids probably doesn't give a rats ass about some amateurs with guns.


Yeah about that. Detroit police station shooting. A lot of these mass shooters have mental problems, and because of that once they get fixated on a target they are going to go after no matter what is in their way.
 
2012-12-28 10:44:35 PM  
Aw crap, wrong thread. :)
I was temporarily distracted by a string of police cars and firetrucks flying by.
 
2012-12-28 10:44:39 PM  

KidneyStone: Wolf_Blitzer: taurusowner: And there's a damn good chance there won't be any mass school shootings at any of these places. Mass shooters avoid places where they know they will get stopped before accomplishing their goals. They're crazy, but most aren't stupid

There is absolutely no demonstrated evidence of this. Columbine and many other schools have armed police resource officers. Many malls, theaters etc. have off-duty police as security, who are also armed. This notion that these shooters are picking gun-free zones is nonsense.

So how come you never see mass shootings at gun shows?


Because you're forced to unload and run a little zip tie through the action of any weapon entering the place?
 
2012-12-28 10:48:45 PM  
If the 2nd Amendment is about keeping citizen militias ready to oust a tyrant, why is Arpaio still in office? It's not like there's a shortage of armed citizens in AZ.
 
2012-12-28 10:49:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Securitywyrm: Live without a sword, serve those with swords, THEN die by the sword.

Yeah, I totally remember that time MLK took up arms against the Alabama government to win the rights of African Americans, and when Gandhi led an army that pushed the British out of India.


Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest ... if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity - Mahatma Gandhi
 
2012-12-28 10:49:51 PM  

Mad_Radhu: taurusowner: Mad_Radhu: You're basically saying that a person is going to act in a rational manner when planning a rampage where they slaughter dozens of innocent people. Makes perfect sense.

You're confusing lack of morality with lack of intelligence or forethought. Try to actually research school shootings before spouting off like that. Most of them show some form of planning on the part of the shooter. A lot of planning actually. True, the shooters are sociopaths with totally broken sense of right and wrong. But that doesn't turn them into blithering idiots who can't tie their shoes. Many school shooters have had above average IQs. Looking at the steps they took to prepare for their crimes shows most put a fair amount of thought into it. Bringing backpacks of magazines and multiple weapons like Cho, waiting til the School Resource Officer was on his lunch break like at Columbine, the two kids who set up snipers nests and the pulled the fire alarms so they could take shots at the kids who came outside in groups. Terrible evil acts, but planned calculated acts nonetheless.

What I am saying is that the school shootings happened at the schools because that is where the people that they wanted to take their anger out at were located, so the armed guards will do little to deter them. These individuals want to act out their revenge fantasies and go out in a hail of gunfire. The threat of lethal force isn't going to deter someone who has basically decided to commit suicide.


You know how I know you're not a child psychologist?

The point of these Columbine-style attacks is not to "go out guns blazing", it's to take out the people who the shooters think need to be taken out. Tormentors, bullies, what have you. The only reason schools are where these shootings go down is because that's where the largest concentration of targets will be. Anything that jeopardizes the perceived chance of success will cause the shooters to question whether or not to do what they're going to do at that particular location. Armed guards would be such a thing.

Point of fact: the Columbine kids hadn't planned on committing suicide, though they were prepared to do it. The plan was to blow up the lunchroom, shoot fleeing survivors, blow up arriving emergency personnel with bombs in their vehicles, and then flee in the confusion. Regardless of how unrealistic the plan was, it still wasn't guaranteed suicide.

Of course, the problem is that if someone like this is truly dedicated to killing a bunch of people, armed guards will merely make them change the location of where they do it. Instead of their school, they may wait until they hear about a party that all the "popular kids" are going to attend, etc. A delay, instead of a prevention, which is good but not the magic cure-all some people make it out to be. At least with a delay there's more chance the potential shooters might be discovered and stopped.
 
2012-12-28 10:52:25 PM  

Teufelaffe: snip

The KKK never supported gun control laws, since they applied to everyone, not just non-whites. Instead they took guns away from blacks by force. There's a difference between gun control laws and forced disarmament, despite the NRA's claims to the contrary.


You should really do some due diligence vis-a-vis history of gun control. Hint: your ignorance is showing.

I suggest you visit http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/movieplay-ngn-swf.htm
 
2012-12-28 10:54:59 PM  

Flappyhead: CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?

Old, scared and white. Three little words that cover all the bases.


Pretty much explains why I felt the way I did when my wallet was stolen from the locker at the gym (replace "scared" with "vengeful", but two out of three ain't bad).
 
2012-12-28 10:59:43 PM  

CorpusDelicti: He gets tons of publicity all across the Nation, but does not represent the views and opinions of the wonderful people and state of Arizona, how does he keep getting elected?  No, really, please tell me.  I have both conservative and liberal views, but know no one who wishes he continue to maintain a pulse.  Really... who keeps voting for him?


I have family in Maricopa County.  My stepfather and most of his buddies think he's great because he pisses off the liberals and he's the one guy willing to not be PC (their words, from a discussion on Christmas eve).  My grandmother and her husband feel like he's the only law enforcement official in the country who takes illegal immigration seriously.  My step-sister thinks he's an attention whore and a crook, but still isn't gonna vote for a Democrat for dogcatcher.
 
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