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2012-12-28 09:08:27 PM  

pxlboy: Exactly as planned.


No doubt. It is absurd and criminal. I'm not even certain who the original problem child was and even less certain if they're still in Congress, but, today, the problem is Rep. Issa. He thinks it should be privatised, somehow FedEx will deliver letters for $.50 to rural bumfark Nebraska. Issa is either a complete evil criminal or an absolutly stupid tool. Or both, they're not mutually exclusive.
 
2012-12-28 09:12:11 PM  

dr_blasto: pxlboy: Exactly as planned.

No doubt. It is absurd and criminal. I'm not even certain who the original problem child was and even less certain if they're still in Congress, but, today, the problem is Rep. Issa. He thinks it should be privatised, somehow FedEx will deliver letters for $.50 to rural bumfark Nebraska. Issa is either a complete evil criminal or an absolutly stupid tool. Or both, they're not mutually exclusive.


I would think both as well. He's kind of a jerkbag.
 
2012-12-28 09:12:19 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: The Democrats take control of the House (and Senate) in 2007, and coincidentally in 2007 the USPS operated at a loss for the first time in over 5 years..... but this is somehow the Republicans fault?

Um, because the new regs were put in  prior to 2007? Oh gee, that was so hard to figure out.

....and those regs would be what exactly? The point is that Government, regardless of whether the "r's" or "d's" are running the show, is not conducive to a profitable environment.... not even a "break even" environment. With only a few exceptions (wars, moon landing), nothing they do is successful. Any successes they have had is at some colossal financial loss anyway.


Do you listen only to Rush Limbaugh, a man with the IQ of a fencepost, to get all your information on success and failure rates of government programs?
 
2012-12-28 09:18:20 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mmmm... first, by "State" I refer to the technical term of government (in this case the feds), just in case you thought I meant the STATE government. Second, if the feds tell the company that, yes, they have to pay for employee purchases of contraceptives and other things that the employer's religion defines as abortifacients then yes, indeed, they are forcing them to pay for someone else's abortion

No you're not, because it doesn't matter what your religion is, it matters what science says. And science says you're still wrong.

Additionally, a corporation is not a religious entity so you're STILL wrong!


He's already godwinned his arguments.
 
2012-12-28 09:19:49 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: The Democrats take control of the House (and Senate) in 2007, and coincidentally in 2007 the USPS operated at a loss for the first time in over 5 years..... but this is somehow the Republicans fault?

Um, because the new regs were put in  prior to 2007? Oh gee, that was so hard to figure out.

....and those regs would be what exactly? The point is that Government, regardless of whether the "r's" or "d's" are running the show, is not conducive to a profitable environment.... not even a "break even" environment. With only a few exceptions (wars, moon landing), nothing they do is successful. Any successes they have had is at some colossal financial loss anyway.


He said, on the internet, without feeling even the slightest twinge of irony.
 
2012-12-28 09:20:09 PM  

dr_blasto: cameroncrazy1984: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mmmm... first, by "State" I refer to the technical term of government (in this case the feds), just in case you thought I meant the STATE government. Second, if the feds tell the company that, yes, they have to pay for employee purchases of contraceptives and other things that the employer's religion defines as abortifacients then yes, indeed, they are forcing them to pay for someone else's abortion

No you're not, because it doesn't matter what your religion is, it matters what science says. And science says you're still wrong.

Additionally, a corporation is not a religious entity so you're STILL wrong!

He's already godwinned his arguments.


Pretty much a dead giveaway that he's a moron or a troll.
 
2012-12-28 09:20:32 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Beavz0r: To oppose abortions (and the welfare system in general) as much as they do, it always surprised me how adamant they also are against contraceptives.

Just like the Republicans they voted for, 'compromise' must no longer be a part of their vocabulary.

Ok, I'll bite. What compromise to you propose in this situation?


Well, let me clarify -- I wasn't referring to a compromise regarding the subject matter in and of itself, but instead the jihad on contraceptives altogether.

From my perspective, contraceptives should not be an enemy to those of Christian faith, but instead a weapon to help curb a threat of significantly greater importance. When you consider that increasing accessibility to contraceptives has been known to dramatically lower abortion rates, and that even the short-term expenses of unplanned pregnancies ends up costing our government billions of dollars annually, it becomes increasingly difficult to justify such extreme negativity. Although you're not exactly addressing the underlining problem in the eyes of the church (specifically the inability of the masses to keep it in their pants), you're at least curbing a large portion of the damage that results from it.
 
2012-12-28 09:27:13 PM  
Here's my thoughts on the Catholic Church and Contraception:

The man telling you that contraception is wrong and counter to God's Will is the same man that rides in an armored car so that he won't get shot.

I would think God would have a greater interest in the safety of his Legate on Earth (if he is what he claims to be) than whether or not any random woman has a baby when she has sex. If the Pope should be assassinated, it must be God's Will. Therefore his position on Contraception is HYPOCRICY, as he is actively using means to prevent God's Will, while denying such means to others.
 
2012-12-28 09:28:23 PM  

Thrag: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: The Democrats take control of the House (and Senate) in 2007, and coincidentally in 2007 the USPS operated at a loss for the first time in over 5 years..... but this is somehow the Republicans fault?

Um, because the new regs were put in  prior to 2007? Oh gee, that was so hard to figure out.

....and those regs would be what exactly? The point is that Government, regardless of whether the "r's" or "d's" are running the show, is not conducive to a profitable environment.... not even a "break even" environment. With only a few exceptions (wars, moon landing), nothing they do is successful. Any successes they have had is at some colossal financial loss anyway.

He said, on the internet, without feeling even the slightest twinge of irony.


Touché.... even a blind squirrel....
 
2012-12-28 09:31:17 PM  

pxlboy: dr_blasto: cameroncrazy1984: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mmmm... first, by "State" I refer to the technical term of government (in this case the feds), just in case you thought I meant the STATE government. Second, if the feds tell the company that, yes, they have to pay for employee purchases of contraceptives and other things that the employer's religion defines as abortifacients then yes, indeed, they are forcing them to pay for someone else's abortion

No you're not, because it doesn't matter what your religion is, it matters what science says. And science says you're still wrong.

Additionally, a corporation is not a religious entity so you're STILL wrong!

He's already godwinned his arguments.

Pretty much a dead giveaway that he's a moron or a troll.


Like Issa, he's probably both.
 
2012-12-28 09:32:48 PM  

Beavz0r: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Beavz0r: To oppose abortions (and the welfare system in general) as much as they do, it always surprised me how adamant they also are against contraceptives.

Just like the Republicans they voted for, 'compromise' must no longer be a part of their vocabulary.

Ok, I'll bite. What compromise to you propose in this situation?

Well, let me clarify -- I wasn't referring to a compromise regarding the subject matter in and of itself, but instead the jihad on contraceptives altogether.

From my perspective, contraceptives should not be an enemy to those of Christian faith, but instead a weapon to help curb a threat of significantly greater importance. When you consider that increasing accessibility to contraceptives has been known to dramatically lower abortion rates, and that even the short-term expenses of unplanned pregnancies ends up costing our government billions of dollars annually, it becomes increasingly difficult to justify such extreme negativity. Although you're not exactly addressing the underlining problem in the eyes of the church (specifically the inability of the masses to keep it in their pants), you're at least curbing a large portion of the damage that results from it.


They're torn between reducing abortions and prolonging the cycle of poverty and the righteous indignation they get from slut-shaming. What to do...what to do
 
2012-12-28 09:33:45 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: Thrag: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: The Democrats take control of the House (and Senate) in 2007, and coincidentally in 2007 the USPS operated at a loss for the first time in over 5 years..... but this is somehow the Republicans fault?

Um, because the new regs were put in  prior to 2007? Oh gee, that was so hard to figure out.

....and those regs would be what exactly? The point is that Government, regardless of whether the "r's" or "d's" are running the show, is not conducive to a profitable environment.... not even a "break even" environment. With only a few exceptions (wars, moon landing), nothing they do is successful. Any successes they have had is at some colossal financial loss anyway.

He said, on the internet, without feeling even the slightest twinge of irony.

Touché.... even a blind squirrel....


How about the FDA? Or OSHA? Or the EPA? Or the FAA?
 
2012-12-28 09:37:12 PM  

ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.


I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.
 
2012-12-28 09:37:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: Thrag: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: The Democrats take control of the House (and Senate) in 2007, and coincidentally in 2007 the USPS operated at a loss for the first time in over 5 years..... but this is somehow the Republicans fault?

Um, because the new regs were put in  prior to 2007? Oh gee, that was so hard to figure out.

....and those regs would be what exactly? The point is that Government, regardless of whether the "r's" or "d's" are running the show, is not conducive to a profitable environment.... not even a "break even" environment. With only a few exceptions (wars, moon landing), nothing they do is successful. Any successes they have had is at some colossal financial loss anyway.

He said, on the internet, without feeling even the slightest twinge of irony.

Touché.... even a blind squirrel....

How about the FDA? Or OSHA? Or the EPA? Or the FAA?


Silly rabbit, corporations can be trusted to regulate themselves and totes work on the honor system.
 
2012-12-28 09:37:50 PM  

pxlboy: Indubitably: pxlboy: ParaHandy: letrole: As usual, the smarmy, conceited, and belligerent schoolboy-atheist types are descending into circle-jerkery.

The interesting thing is that these fellows are generally still dependant upon mummy and daddy. There's nothing quite like the sense of entitlement that comes from extended adolescence.

You do not have a right to medical care. It's a privilege.

Balls. Tell me where on Mazlo's hierarchy guns are.

You're assuming he even knows what Mazlo's hierarchy is.

It's  Maslo's

Forgive my spelling mistake. I am aware of what it is without having to Google it. That said, the original point still stands.

Greed, avarice, and xenophobia have become staples of the right wing belief system. To the those conservatives who aren't a bunch of angry godbotherers and the Libertarians who aren't mindless Randroids, form a party. There were once some sensible ideas and principled individuals in the GOP that seem to have been pushed out by loonies.

I would love to see some actual, viable, electable third parties in this country. But getting elected means either using your own money (assuming you can afford an election) or someone else's -- usually at a great moral cost.


Me too, friend.

Peace.
 
2012-12-28 09:38:45 PM  

TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.


Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:47 PM  

gaspode: cwolf20: On an unrelated note.

Owner with 6 employees figured up the math on providing insurance for the first time to his employees.

It'll be cheaper for him to take a 350 dollar hit per employee including himself and wife. Which wouldn't be an issue except she's never worked there. But the state government told him she always has. Meanwhile the employees will go forth and get Obama care.
False economy... it might be a tiny bit cheaper in the short term, but in terms of running a good long term business paying a few bucks a month per employee will pay back in spades. If he only had the sense.


You've been trolled.  Firms with fewer than 50 employees are not subject to the employer mandate.
 
2012-12-28 09:42:06 PM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 230x219]
Do you see that? Its a modern reflector on an Amish buggy. The Amish did not want to put modern reflectors on their buggies, but the law says they have to.


I've heard the Amish treat their animals very poorly; like machines rather than living creatures.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:35 PM  
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let the free market decide whether or not people will patronize businesses, especially restaurants, who prefer sick employees hacking up their disgusting low-skilled germs on our food/goods
 
2012-12-28 09:44:39 PM  

Omahawg: [img15.imageshack.us image 418x237]

let the free market decide whether or not people will patronize businesses, especially restaurants, who prefer sick employees hacking up their disgusting low-skilled germs on our food/goods


We tried that. Didn't work. That's why we fixed it over 100 years ago.
 
2012-12-28 09:44:44 PM  

dr_blasto: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: Thrag: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: The Democrats take control of the House (and Senate) in 2007, and coincidentally in 2007 the USPS operated at a loss for the first time in over 5 years..... but this is somehow the Republicans fault?

Um, because the new regs were put in  prior to 2007? Oh gee, that was so hard to figure out.

....and those regs would be what exactly? The point is that Government, regardless of whether the "r's" or "d's" are running the show, is not conducive to a profitable environment.... not even a "break even" environment. With only a few exceptions (wars, moon landing), nothing they do is successful. Any successes they have had is at some colossal financial loss anyway.

He said, on the internet, without feeling even the slightest twinge of irony.

Touché.... even a blind squirrel....

How about the FDA? Or OSHA? Or the EPA? Or the FAA?

Silly rabbit, corporations can be trusted to regulate themselves and totes work on the honor system.


What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-12-28 09:45:46 PM  

Spartacus Outlaw: vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 230x219]
Do you see that? Its a modern reflector on an Amish buggy. The Amish did not want to put modern reflectors on their buggies, but the law says they have to.

I've heard the Amish treat their animals very poorly; like machines rather than living creatures.


i4.ytimg.com

Ye know too much!
 
2012-12-28 09:47:19 PM  
Saw a few adds by these people. Thought they were little odd. Now makes sense.
 
2012-12-28 09:47:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Omahawg: [img15.imageshack.us image 418x237]

let the free market decide whether or not people will patronize businesses, especially restaurants, who prefer sick employees hacking up their disgusting low-skilled germs on our food/goods

We tried that. Didn't work. That's why we fixed it over 100 years ago.


100 years ago? I had to either show up at mcdonald's sick in 1991 or find my own replacement. Same with a nursing home in 1994 and the most disgusting Perkin's ever in 1995. Yes, I'll do your scheduling for minimum wage while I'm running a fever with the chills. yes, yes I will

/easier to show up to work and spread the love like special sauce on a big mac
 
2012-12-28 09:50:35 PM  

pxlboy: dr_blasto: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: Thrag: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: cameroncrazy1984: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: The Democrats take control of the House (and Senate) in 2007, and coincidentally in 2007 the USPS operated at a loss for the first time in over 5 years..... but this is somehow the Republicans fault?

Um, because the new regs were put in  prior to 2007? Oh gee, that was so hard to figure out.

....and those regs would be what exactly? The point is that Government, regardless of whether the "r's" or "d's" are running the show, is not conducive to a profitable environment.... not even a "break even" environment. With only a few exceptions (wars, moon landing), nothing they do is successful. Any successes they have had is at some colossal financial loss anyway.

He said, on the internet, without feeling even the slightest twinge of irony.

Touché.... even a blind squirrel....

How about the FDA? Or OSHA? Or the EPA? Or the FAA?

Silly rabbit, corporations can be trusted to regulate themselves and totes work on the honor system.

What could possibly go wrong?

To Warren

, like rabbits do.  *)
 
2012-12-28 10:00:12 PM  

dr_blasto: You mean, why didn't we implement Obamacare sooner? Because that's exactly what you post is implying. Those things you long for? In there. Cross-state markets, echanges, allow for competitive services. Wellness and preventative medicine? Now required.


No, Obamacare links the employer to the individual. and mandates what should be covered. As a healthy 28 year old who doesn't smoke and runs and needs a plan with a high deductible that covers catastrophic illnesses, I'm lumped into the same plan as the guy who works down the hall who carries an oxygen machine around with him because he smoked for 40 years. - just because we work for the same company who purchases the same policy. Granted, i still get good coverage but my employer WAY overpays for my healthcare.

Thanks to the high income tax rates of the 50's, employers had to lump extra untaxed benefits into compensation packages. I want for employers to be able to return healthcare costs to their employees and allow employees to purchase their own plans based on what is best for them. I'm sure that there are insurance companies out there who will see a benefit to offering contraceptive coverage to their employees and will build such coverage into healthcare plans. Then it really isn't really any employer's business what an employee does with their private health decisions so long as they show up to work on time and do their job.
 
2012-12-28 10:02:13 PM  

o5iiawah: As a healthy 28 year old who doesn't smoke and runs and needs a plan with a high deductible that covers catastrophic illnesses


Yeah, because you'll ALWAYS be healthy.
 
2012-12-28 10:02:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.


I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.
 
2012-12-28 10:05:42 PM  

TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.


butthurt*
 
2012-12-28 10:09:10 PM  

TanHamster: I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off


So? A private company isn't a religious entity either.
 
2012-12-28 10:09:54 PM  

TanHamster: TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.

butthurt*


Butthutt.

I just got an idea for a new business: topless mini golf. You'd go around the little golf area and topless chick would fetch the balls, serve drinks and on top of some of the sillier mini-golf things, you'd have topless dancers. It would be called the ButtHutt.
 
2012-12-28 10:15:08 PM  

dr_blasto: TanHamster: TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.

butthurt*

Butthutt.

I just got an idea for a new business: topless mini golf. You'd go around the little golf area and topless chick would fetch the balls, serve drinks and on top of some of the sillier mini-golf things, you'd have topless dancers. It would be called the ButtHutt.


This was better in yer head.
 
2012-12-28 10:20:58 PM  

Indubitably: dr_blasto: TanHamster: TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.

butthurt*

Butthutt.

I just got an idea for a new business: topless mini golf. You'd go around the little golf area and topless chick would fetch the balls, serve drinks and on top of some of the sillier mini-golf things, you'd have topless dancers. It would be called the ButtHutt.

This was better in yer head.


No no no. Still good.

Wanna get really rich? Strip club chain in airport concourses.
 
2012-12-28 10:22:28 PM  

dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: TanHamster: TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.

butthurt*

Butthutt.

I just got an idea for a new business: topless mini golf. You'd go around the little golf area and topless chick would fetch the balls, serve drinks and on top of some of the sillier mini-golf things, you'd have topless dancers. It would be called the ButtHutt.

This was better in yer head.

No no no. Still good.

Wanna get really rich? Strip club chain in airport concourses.

To airstrip?

*)

 
2012-12-28 10:26:57 PM  

Indubitably: dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: TanHamster: TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.

butthurt*

Butthutt.

I just got an idea for a new business: topless mini golf. You'd go around the little golf area and topless chick would fetch the balls, serve drinks and on top of some of the sillier mini-golf things, you'd have topless dancers. It would be called the ButtHutt.

This was better in yer head.

No no no. Still good.

Wanna get really rich? Strip club chain in airport concourses.

To airstrip?

*)


See, now you're on the same page as me.
 
2012-12-28 10:28:12 PM  
So they looked Fartbongo square in the eye and said "Suck my fat one, you cheap, dime-store hood".

Well done Hobby Lobby 'ers.
 
2012-12-28 10:45:56 PM  

dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: TanHamster: TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.

butthurt*

Butthutt.

I just got an idea for a new business: topless mini golf. You'd go around the little golf area and topless chick would fetch the balls, serve drinks and on top of some of the sillier mini-golf things, you'd have topless dancers. It would be called the ButtHutt.

This was better in yer head.

No no no. Still good.

Wanna get really rich? Strip club chain in airport concourses.

To airstrip?

*)

See, now you're on the same page as me.


Apologies.
 
2012-12-28 10:48:42 PM  

Indubitably: dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: TanHamster: TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.

butthurt*

Butthutt.

I just got an idea for a new business: topless mini golf. You'd go around the little golf area and topless chick would fetch the balls, serve drinks and on top of some of the sillier mini-golf things, you'd have topless dancers. It would be called the ButtHutt.

This was better in yer head.

No no no. Still good.

Wanna get really rich? Strip club chain in airport concourses.

To airstrip?

*)

See, now you're on the same page as me.

Apologies.


Fret not, the name alone is worth at least some corporate shares man, you're covered.
 
2012-12-28 10:57:27 PM  

dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: Indubitably: dr_blasto: TanHamster: TanHamster: cameroncrazy1984: TanHamster: ZeroCorpse: The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.

I'm sick of douchebags like you taking shots at people who actually employ other people. You sound like a student.

Oh god yes, we should treat job creators like gods because otherwise they might not rain employment like mana from heaven.

I could understand all of the butthutt, if Hobby Lobby were a publically-traded company. But it's privately held, so fark off.

butthurt*

Butthutt.

I just got an idea for a new business: topless mini golf. You'd go around the little golf area and topless chick would fetch the balls, serve drinks and on top of some of the sillier mini-golf things, you'd have topless dancers. It would be called the ButtHutt.

This was better in yer head.

No no no. Still good.

Wanna get really rich? Strip club chain in airport concourses.

To airstrip?

*)

See, now you're on the same page as me.

Apologies.

Fret not, the name alone is worth at least some corporate shares man, you're covered.


I am?
 
2012-12-28 11:00:40 PM  
o5iiawah (farkied: Right-wing wharrgarbler with a wharrgarbl name): The My Little Pony Killer: Maybe they should become a church if they want to have church rules.

Or maybe they should be a private company, one of those places where you can choose on your own whether or not to shop there or work there.


This applies, it seems, to companies run by Bible thumpers, but not to companies with union contracts in states without a Right to Freeload on the UnionWork law.
 
2012-12-28 11:01:57 PM  

pxlboy: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cameroncrazy1984: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PanicMan: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So now the State invades religion, and forces some people to pay for abortions against their religious beliefs. Seriously, how is this really different from forcing people to worship a particular religion?

Care to quote the section of the bible that says you can't pay for someone else's abortion?

Care to quote the section of the bible that says that magic mushrooms and licked frog skins are sacred sacraments? It's religious belief, douchbag. Doesn't matter whose religion, or what support it has or doesn't have.

/Go ahead, make some more assumptions about me.

The state doesn't force anyone to pay for someone else's abortion. In fact, there's a law, called the Hyde Amendment, that says no federal tax dollars can go to abortion.

Care to be wrong about anything else?

Mmmm... first, by "State" I refer to the technical term of government (in this case the feds), just in case you thought I meant the STATE government. Second, if the feds tell the company that, yes, they have to pay for employee purchases of contraceptives and other things that the employer's religion defines as abortifacients then yes, indeed, they are forcing them to pay for someone else's abortion.

That, in my book, is interference in the religion.

BTW, just in case you are naive enough to believe in unicorn farts, yes, the "State" operates on force. Period. Defy government and the ultimate response is a bullet.

The government is not there to enforce your religion or anyone else's, for that matter. It it enforcing a secular state. I'm sorry that you think birth control and the morning-after pill are as bad as partial-birth abortion and that life begins at conception, but you don't get to impose your religion on me.

We have enough of that already.


fark. There sure are a lot of Mind Reading Wizards on this thread. FYI, that is NOT my religion, and it's scientifically ridiculous to equate birth control and the morning-after pill with partial-birth abortions. (As for life beginning at conception, OK Mr. Wizard, you tell me where it begins.) But I will defend those whose religious beliefs do hold with that.

You're on a huge slippery slope there, stud. The Unintended Consequences of this ruling will be really something, and you kn ow what? I suspect you libs will be the first ones to whine about them.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:26 PM  

pxlboy: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Wally007: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: KiTTeNs_on_AciD: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So now the State invades religion, and forces some people to pay for abortions against their religious beliefs. Seriously, how is this really different from forcing people to worship a particular religion?

Because telling someone the health care they provide to employees must cover standard medications is not the same as forcing them to cease or begin any kind of worship to anyone. If you had to seriously ask that you should immediately stop sharing your opinions on anything.

Ah ah ahhh! No changing context, please. The issue is whether the State has the right to force someone who has a set of religious beliefs to act contrary to those beliefs.

Questions:

If I am a devout Black Muslim, who does charity work for destitute Blacks, does the State have the right to force me to also do charity work for destitute whites?

If I am a principled Atheist who makes charitable contributions to causes that promote Atheism, does the State have the right to force me to also make contributions to devout Catholic or Muslim causes?

Be honest now....

If you own and run a business in this country, the State absolutely has the right to tell you how you may do that, yes,

So, in theory, there is no difference (except in degree) between the United States and Nazi Germany?

It took this many comments for someone to Godwin the conversation?


That's not a Godwin, Runaway Boy. It's a valid comparison. When the Nazis (National Socialists) took control in Germany they nationalized some industries, but left most in private hands - but throttled a huge number of them with on-premises oversight by a National Socialist political officer. The rest haqd to do what they were told, when they were told, and how they were told. Look it up; it's called History. YOU said: "If you own and run a business in this country, the State absolutely has the right to tell you how you may do that, yes," So: in principle, what's the difference? Give me a straight answer or STFU.
 
2012-12-28 11:19:04 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: When the Nazis (National Socialists) took control in Germany they nationalized some industries,


Okay you have a valid comparison. What industries has Obama nationalized, again?
 
2012-12-28 11:22:24 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: "If you own and run a business in this country, the State absolutely has the right to tell you how you may do that, yes," So: in principle, what's the difference? Give me a straight answer or STFU.


It's called "the law", or are you claiming that businesses are above the law?
 
2012-12-28 11:22:44 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mmmm... first, by "State" I refer to the technical term of government (in this case the feds), just in case you thought I meant the STATE government. Second, if the feds tell the company that, yes, they have to pay for employee purchases of contraceptives and other things that the employer's religion defines as abortifacients then yes, indeed, they are forcing them to pay for someone else's abortion

No you're not, because it doesn't matter what your religion is, it matters what science says. And science says you're still wrong.

Additionally, a corporation is not a religious entity so you're STILL wrong!


Sigh.

>>>>"...it doesn't matter what your religion is, it matters what science says." Yeah, and the science is always 100% right, right? There were a whole bunch of scientists in Nazi Germany who declared that Jews were subhuman and needed to be exterminated. There were a whole bunch of scientists in the Soviet Union who toed the Party line against Darwinian evolution, Virtually the whole Geological scientific establishment had to be dragged screaming into accepting plate tectonics. There are endless examples. Oh, you say the "science is settled"? Really? That's a profoundly unscientific statement. Science by it's very nature is never settled.

>>>>>"Additionally, a corporation is not a religious entity so you're STILL wrong!"

No, but that corporation is closely held, maybe even by one person, and that group or individual is religious, it is a violation of their/his religious freedom to dictate (Seig Heil) that they must violate their religious principles in order to remain in business.

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2012-12-28 11:26:10 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Fascism is alive and well in America.


i80.photobucket.com

Nice that the wingnuts are finally noticing.
 
2012-12-28 11:28:15 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Yeah, and the science is always 100% right, right? There were a whole bunch of scientists in Nazi Germany who declared that Jews were subhuman and needed to be exterminated.


No, there were a bunch of crazy people. Are you really comparing American scientists to Nazis?

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: No, but that corporation is closely held, maybe even by one person, and that group or individual is religious, it is a violation of their/his religious freedom to dictate (Seig Heil) that they must violate their religious principles in order to remain in business.


Again, no it isn't. Corporations don't get special rights because the owner "really" believes something. Sorry, it's just not part of US law.
 
2012-12-28 11:30:10 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Nabb1: I'd think gays would be ambivalent about birth control since they really don't need it to prevent pregnancy.

Really?

As Sandra "Slut" Fluke testified, many women need birth control pills for medical reasons that have nothing to do with having sex or preventing pregnancy. There's also a big benefit to gay men and lesbians in using contraceptives such as condoms or dental dams. They prevent the spread of STDs and HIV, even among same-sex couples who aren't worried about pregnancy.


In that case it's a drug that fix some medical condition that has a side effect of preventing birth
 
2012-12-28 11:45:22 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cameroncrazy1984: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mmmm... first, by "State" I refer to the technical term of government (in this case the feds), just in case you thought I meant the STATE government. Second, if the feds tell the company that, yes, they have to pay for employee purchases of contraceptives and other things that the employer's religion defines as abortifacients then yes, indeed, they are forcing them to pay for someone else's abortion

No you're not, because it doesn't matter what your religion is, it matters what science says. And science says you're still wrong.

Additionally, a corporation is not a religious entity so you're STILL wrong!

Sigh.

>>>>"...it doesn't matter what your religion is, it matters what science says." Yeah, and the science is always 100% right, right? There were a whole bunch of scientists in Nazi Germany who declared that Jews were subhuman and needed to be exterminated. There were a whole bunch of scientists in the Soviet Union who toed the Party line against Darwinian evolution, Virtually the whole Geological scientific establishment had to be dragged screaming into accepting plate tectonics. There are endless examples. Oh, you say the "science is settled"? Really? That's a profoundly unscientific statement. Science by it's very nature is never settled.

>>>>>"Additionally, a corporation is not a religious entity so you're STILL wrong!"

No, but that corporation is closely held, maybe even by one person, and that group or individual is religious, it is a violation of their/his religious freedom to dictate (Seig Heil) that they must violate their religious principles in order to remain in business.

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Lol, what are you on? Fascism? Nazi scientists?

Your godwin got all over the wall and stained the carpet. I hope your happy.
 
2012-12-28 11:48:47 PM  
Fun fact: there's no space on the business registration form for "Religion of Business/Owner"

I wonder why that would be.
 
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