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2012-12-28 05:02:20 PM  

KidneyStone: I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.


Insurance that pays for contraception is cheaper than insurance that doesn't, and has to pay to deliver an unwanted baby, then maintain it's health for years, and years.  How do you not understand this.  A rubber costs a couple of bucks.  How much does it cost to bring a baby to term, you dolt?
 
2012-12-28 05:02:33 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Convenience abortions should be prosecuted as first degree murder.

Go ahead idiot liberals - open up this can of worms of pushing your beliefs on others through Obamacare and see what kind of a country we end up with. Because it won't take long for the ball to be in the other court, and I have a feeling the next republican president will make G W Bush look like Mahatma Gandhi, and then you dumbasses will really have something to cry about.


I don't think the United States is the right country for you. Look into Nicaragua or El Salvador. They may be more to your liking.
 
2012-12-28 05:02:48 PM  

Great Janitor: It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.


You mean "benefits" like minimum wage, a healthy & safe workplace, overtime pay, child labor laws, etc? Yeah, who needs big bad gubmint telling employers what to do, right?
 
2012-12-28 05:03:10 PM  

KidneyStone: Bontesla: KidneyStone: I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.

Uhm your health insurance costs Do go up because employers weren't forced to cover things like contraception. Who do you think eats those costs when an uninsured mother gives birth?

Uhm, the doctor/hospital, not the insurance company.


Wait - you think doctors and hospitals are giving out free medical care? With no compensation? Just for free because... They're notoriously nice?
 
2012-12-28 05:03:44 PM  
It's against my religious beliefs to be held liable for my recklessness or negligence; ergo, you can't force me to violate my religious beliefs by compelling me to pay legal judgments.
 
2012-12-28 05:06:48 PM  
Oklahoma City-based Hobby Lobby to defy federal law requiring contraception coverage for employees, attorney says

/its bad enough that all your crap is made in china, and i have yet to find one, even ONE, item that is made in the USA on your shelves. And i know, my wife shops for things there for her crafts. I've looked. If that wasn't bad enough..now you're telling people how to live and control their sex lives.

/eat a bag of dicks you non USA supporting derp slinging assholes.
 
2012-12-28 05:07:06 PM  

o5iiawah: The My Little Pony Killer: Maybe they should become a church if they want to have church rules.

Or maybe they should be a private company, one of those places where you can choose on your own whether or not to shop there or work there.


Maybe they should go be a company in some other country that doesn't have any farking standards. If they can't deal with making money in a first-world nation, maybe the Central African Republic would suit them better. Or maybe Iran.

Ooh, there's probably a lot of unused land they could set up shop in Afghanistan. That seems like its right up their alley.
 
2012-12-28 05:07:15 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Maybe they should become a church if they want to have church rules.


ummm....everyone has freedom of religion...not just churches....
 
2012-12-28 05:07:24 PM  

KidneyStone: I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.


Your insurance would go up a lot more if they had the babies, what are you complaining about again? How about people who stuff their face with fast food and sugary soda all the time? It's cool with me, but don't make my insurance go up for all the blood pressure meds, cholesterol meds, insulin and diabetes testing supplies needed by people who make poor decisions. Also, I'm sick of paying for these stupid farking scooters they are giving old people who break their ankles, crutches work just fine you slackers! And don't even get me started on the motorized chairs for fat people.
 
2012-12-28 05:07:33 PM  

Great Janitor: ghare: Great Janitor: Bontesla: Great Janitor: I really can't hate them for saying that they don't want to offer coverage that goes against their beliefs. They aren't saying that they don't want their female employees not to be on the pill or whatever, just that they don't want to offer those programs. If their employees don't like it, they can find work else where. It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.

Why should your employer's religious preferences be imposed on the standard of insurance you can receive?

Other than offering insurance - the business has no business in my medical business.

Because they are paying for it.

Well, then, they obviously have the right to restrict what employees do with their paychecks too.

Wrong. Employers have no rights to tell employees what to do with the paychecks. Since that's payment for time spent making the company money. The part about health insurance is different because it's not payment for services.


Health care is part of your payment. Employers aren't bestowing you with good health care because of your killer dimples.
 
2012-12-28 05:07:50 PM  

you are a puppet: Submitter: you sir, are a mouthful.


That's what she said.
 
2012-12-28 05:07:56 PM  

Great Janitor: I really can't hate them for saying that they don't want to offer coverage that goes against their beliefs. They aren't saying that they don't want their female employees not to be on the pill or whatever, just that they don't want to offer those programs. If their employees don't like it, they can find work else where. It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.


Stick with custodial work, thinking isn't your strong suit.

Using your logic christian scientists could offer coverage that only consisted of prayer.
 
2012-12-28 05:08:21 PM  
I think there is a point that many here are missing. They have the option to not provide

Bontesla:
Why should your employer's religious preferences be imposed on the standard of insurance you can receive?

Other than offering insurance - the business has no business in my medical business.


I think a point that is being missed here is that they can avoid the fines and the requirements completely by simply not offering insurance at all. Well, the $1.3 million a day non-compliance fees anyway. They will still have to pay the not offering any coverage fees but I'm thinking that might be cheaper than $1.3 million a day.

So, if they want to spend the extra $$$ on a lesser fine by not offering insurance and satisfy their god they can.

It may be a d!ck move but they are a huge corporation what do you expect?
 
2012-12-28 05:08:26 PM  

dr_blasto: WhoopAssWayne: I have a feeling the next republican president will make G W Bush look like Mahatma Gandhi

What, long dead?


No. Short, and bald with a huge honkin' nose.
 
2012-12-28 05:09:19 PM  

NightOwl2255: Di Atribe: Hey, why not just follow your employees home to make sure they're not farking for fun?

Hey, don't put that past the Green family. They are, how shall we say, true holy rollers. Of course they live like billionaires, not humble servants of god (that would be their many minimum wage slaves), but you gotta draw the line somewhere, right?


Their starting wages are not minimum wage, they are a few dollars more.
 
2012-12-28 05:09:27 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: KidneyStone: I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.

Insurance that pays for contraception is cheaper than insurance that doesn't, and has to pay to deliver an unwanted baby, then maintain it's health for years, and years. How do you not understand this. A rubber costs a couple of bucks. How much does it cost to bring a baby to term, you dolt?


Well when you pop the kid out, $3-5000 will cover the room depending on if you're there two or three nights. As for the doctors/nurses, procedures/meds, etc well those are gonna be extra. And don't get me started on the pregnant lady checkups.

So instead of paying $3,000 for the room for two nights, you could just pay for 60 months of birth control if you have no insurance.

/One of these days I'm gonna do all of the math out to see how many months of non insured BC you can get for a single kid, starting from maternal care to popping it out.
 
2012-12-28 05:10:36 PM  

illannoyin: I think a point that is being missed here is that they can avoid the fines and the requirements completely by simply not offering insurance at all.


I don't think they can. IIRC, in Obamacare all businesses above a certain size (full time employees) are required to provide insurance to them. Thus the whole Papa Johns biatching.
 
2012-12-28 05:10:45 PM  

Bonzo_1116: If they want to operate as a business, then they need to follow the rules for businesses not a private membership church.

I don't think a company owned by Jehovah' s Witnesses can require that their employer sponsored insurance denies a patient a kidney transplant.

It's f*cked up that health insurance comes from your employer anyway. Aside from damage sustained on the job, it's none of your boss's business what you need from your doctor.


THIS.

Several good points here! The part about Jehovah's Witnesses is the only thing any judge should need to think about when they consider the Hobby Lobby stance. If a JW owns a business, they can't remove kidney transplants from an employee's coverage. If a hardcore pagan owns a business, they can't choose to only cover holistic treatments, and if a Christian owns a business, they can't choose to omit birth control from the insurance.

However, the final point is what rings true with me. It's STUPID that our country has employers providing health insurance. We should either have insurance/health care because we pay taxes (like every sane country in the world) or we should have a mandatory higher minimum wage and mandatory lower insurance premiums so that everyone can afford to buy decent insurance and still pay for rent, food, and utilities, among other things.

The insurance companies have this country by the balls, and they know it. That's why I don't really believe in the political process-- The corporations make the laws, not the people. If we had any major influence on our laws, then prohibition wouldn't have happened, marijuana would have been legalized ages ago, and laws would exist to make it impossible for pharmaceutical companies to patent medications that improve or preserve human life.

Medicine is not the secret formula to Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's for the benefit of humanity. We should not be making medicine to gain obscene profits from it. We should be making medicine to improve the human condition and make our workforce better, stronger and healthier. THAT'S where the money comes in.

The world is f♥cked up, anyway. The plutocrats are in charge. The corporations own your ass, and at least half of this country will defend them while they screw us. It makes me ill.
 
2012-12-28 05:11:24 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Religious belief does not make you exempt from law that affects everyone.* You do not get to deny health benefits, hide your face for a driver's licence photo, beat your children for having a boyfriend, or smoke weed.


*(Unless your ancestors were here before the U.S. existed and peyote is a historically documented part of your religion.)


false equivalence.   Nobody is forcing people to work for Hobby Lobby.  If they don't like the health benefits offered by HL, they can apply for a job elsewhere.
 
2012-12-28 05:12:21 PM  
Great Janitor: It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.

Oh, but they can tell me who I can or cannot marry, and prevent me from adopting a child?

Conservatives. Bless their hearts. Please.
 
2012-12-28 05:12:33 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Go ahead idiot liberals - open up this can of worms of pushing your beliefs on others through Obamacare and see what kind of a country we end up with. Because it won't take long for the ball to be in the other court, and I have a feeling the next republican president will make G W Bush look like Mahatma Gandhi, and then you dumbasses will really have something to cry about.


You're certainly a typical Republican... salivating at prospect of screwing over your fellow Americans.
 
2012-12-28 05:14:34 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Great Janitor: It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.

Oh, but they can tell me who I can or cannot marry, and prevent me from adopting a child?

Conservatives. Bless their hearts. Please.


I don't think they should tell you who you can or cannot marry, prevent you from adopting a child, or be forced to provide certain fringe benefits.  I don't know where that puts me.
 
2012-12-28 05:14:40 PM  
Golf clap subby. That was a great headline.
 
2012-12-28 05:15:00 PM  

KidneyStone: ghare: KidneyStone: the_end_is_rear: KidneyStone: I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.

Contraceptives are cheaper then babies

Personal responsibility is free

/and may as well be a unicorn these days

?? People want contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies, they try to go to their doctor to get them (acting responsibly) but find their EMPLOYER has interfered with them trying to act responsibly, and you think this is good?

Ahh, the Modern Republican: willfully, insistently stupid, and proud of it.

I never said they're not allowed to have them. I never said anything about not paying for a doctor visit. I never said i was even AGAINST contraceptives.

I'm against my healthcare costs going up to pay for contraceptives. And that includes what I use.

Ahh, the Modern Presumptuous Douchebag: Clueless, insistently entitled, and proud of it.

/I'm a Libertarian. Some conservative views without all the bullshiat worrying about who sleeps with who or who prays to whatever they call god


Your health care costs will go up regardless, kitten.

And they go up - often - because uninsured are seeking medical treatment.
 
2012-12-28 05:15:32 PM  
FYI re: Hobby Lobby's CEO, David Green, from Forbes.com: (estimated net worth $4.5 billion)

"Hobby Lobby founder David Green runs one of the biggest Christian companies in the U.S. A preacher's son from a poor background, Green started his business with a $600 loan in 1970; he then opened his first Hobby Lobby arts and crafts stores in Oklahoma City in 1972. The chain now has 520 locations across the country, all of which are closed on Sunday.

Green is a big contributor to evangelical education, with a $10.5 million gift to Jerry Falwell's Liberty University in 2004 and $70 million to bail out Oral Roberts University in 2007. He has also put nearly 1.4 billion copies of gospel literature in homes in more than 100 countries, mostly in Africa and Asia. He joined the Giving Pledge in 2010."

From his letter om the Giving Pledge website: "We honor the Lord in all we do by operating the company in a manner consistent with Biblical principles. From helping orphanages in faraway lands to helping ministries in America, Hobby Lobby has always been a tool for the Lord's work."

See, the guy admits he's a tool who feeds starving orphans tasty, tasty bibles. What's not to love?
 
2012-12-28 05:15:39 PM  

Bontesla: imtheonlylp: ok, here goes..

if you don't like it, then find another job...it's not mandatory that you believe what they do nor is it mandatory that you are employed there...

Your logic:
1). Law is created to protect employees.
2). Employer violates law.
3). Punish employee.


Um...#1 violates the employers right to practice their religion....
 
2012-12-28 05:16:04 PM  
I just sent a message to them via their website.  I asked why Hobby Lobby is so un-American.  Why they don't sell American-made merchandise, why they want to impose their religious views on their staff, and if they'd get bent out of shape if a Muslim-owned company did the same thing.  I don't expect to hear back from them...
 
2012-12-28 05:18:08 PM  

KidneyStone: I never said they're not allowed to have them. I never said anything about not paying for a doctor visit. I never said i was even AGAINST contraceptives.

I'm against my healthcare costs going up to pay for contraceptives. And that includes what I use.

Ahh, the Modern Presumptuous Douchebag: Clueless, insistently entitled, and proud of it.

/I'm a Libertarian. Some conservative views without all the bullshiat worrying about who sleeps with who or who prays to whatever they call


Healthcare costs go down with free contraceptives. Insurance agencies know this. The pill is cheaper than abortion or giving birth.

Even if that wasn't the case the pill and abortions have needs besides "birth control". For a employer to say they can't be part of their plan is no different than saying a type of heart surgery or cancer medication can't be allowed because it is against their beliefs.
 
2012-12-28 05:18:10 PM  

KidneyStone: Thunderpipes: ghare: KidneyStone: the_end_is_rear: KidneyStone: I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.

Contraceptives are cheaper then babies

Personal responsibility is free

/and may as well be a unicorn these days

?? People want contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies, they try to go to their doctor to get them (acting responsibly) but find their EMPLOYER has interfered with them trying to act responsibly, and you think this is good?

Ahh, the Modern Republican: willfully, insistently stupid, and proud of it.

Employer interfered?

What, they stopped Sally from going out and buying stuff?

Employers should not be obligated to provide any health care. What is next, employers have to provide housing?

This guy gets what I'm saying.


Is housing part of the employee's compensation package? Then the employer must provide housing that meets the safety standards.
 
2012-12-28 05:18:52 PM  

KidneyStone: I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.


It's comments like this that make me wish Fark had a moran button as well as a smart and funny button.
 
2012-12-28 05:19:27 PM  
Once again...

Government: You must do this! It's the law because we say so!

Private Company: We don't want to do that, it violates our personal religious beliefs.

Liberals: Private company! Stop "forcing" your beliefs on your employees!

The only group here using force is the government because its the only thing in this scenario that can even use force but in the twisted and deranged mind of a liberal, somehow it becomes the company forcing things on people that they don't want instead of the government.
 
2012-12-28 05:20:30 PM  

KidneyStone: I'm against my healthcare costs going up to pay for contraceptives. And that includes what I use.


You idiot.  Contraceptives cost LESS than a baby.  The BABY makes the cost go up.  Contraceptives prevent the expensive baby-making, thus costing LESS.  How do you not understand this?
 
2012-12-28 05:20:48 PM  

Di Atribe: Whatever. My religion dictates that I sleep until 10am every morning. Now I'm going to make everyone do it because to me, it's the only moral thing to do.


Heathen! You have to sleep until AT LEAST noon!
 
2012-12-28 05:21:20 PM  
My religion requires me to smoke large amounts of marijuana, maintain a harem of sex slaves and sacrifice live babies every morning to ensure the sun comes up.

And you're trying to tell me the government can't make me obey laws that conflict with my religious beliefs?

What planet do you live on, anyway?
 
2012-12-28 05:21:46 PM  

clyph: My religion says hard hats and steel toed boots are the mark of Satan, therefore my employees are exempt from OSHA regulations.


False equivalence.

OSHA protects workers from hurting themselves and dying.

A morning after pill does nothing to protect a woman's life.
 
2012-12-28 05:22:46 PM  

giftedmadness: NightOwl2255: Di Atribe: Hey, why not just follow your employees home to make sure they're not farking for fun?

Hey, don't put that past the Green family. They are, how shall we say, true holy rollers. Of course they live like billionaires, not humble servants of god (that would be their many minimum wage slaves), but you gotta draw the line somewhere, right?

Their starting wages are not minimum wage, they are a few dollars more.


Not true. I interviewed there once, a few years back, and they made it clear they were going to start me out at minimum if I got the job.
 
2012-12-28 05:23:04 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: dr_blasto: WhoopAssWayne: I have a feeling the next republican president will make G W Bush look like Mahatma Gandhi

What, long dead?

No. Short, and bald with a huge honkin' nose.


Wearing little round glasses?
 
2012-12-28 05:23:54 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: KidneyStone: I'm against my healthcare costs going up to pay for contraceptives. And that includes what I use.

You idiot.  Contraceptives cost LESS than a baby.  The BABY makes the cost go up.  Contraceptives prevent the expensive baby-making, thus costing LESS.  How do you not understand this?


Kidney stones, like babies, are entirely preventable. I resent paying for other peoples' failure to drink enough water.
 
2012-12-28 05:24:27 PM  

Bontesla: Great Janitor: I really can't hate them for saying that they don't want to offer coverage that goes against their beliefs. They aren't saying that they don't want their female employees not to be on the pill or whatever, just that they don't want to offer those programs. If their employees don't like it, they can find work else where. It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.

Why should your employer's religious preferences be imposed on the standard of insurance you can receive?

Other than offering insurance - the business has no business in my medical business.


Ummm. because they are the ones paying for it......

If you don't like the healthcare they offer, find another job.  What's so hard about that for you to understand?
 
2012-12-28 05:24:38 PM  

KidneyStone: I'm against my healthcare costs going up to pay for contraceptives. And that includes what I use.


So you're against paying for other peoples contraceptives. Fine.

Would you be alright if insurance provided those contraceptives for free at no additional cost to you or others?

What if insurance provided contraceptives to everyone for free and also sent you a check with some extra money every year?

This last one is closest reality. Providing contraceptives reduces insurance costs and insurance providers are required to send you a check every year of the money they did not use. You're the dickhead demanding I pay higher insurance premiums because you want to drive some moral narrative on women. Who the fark are you to drive my insurance costs up?
 
2012-12-28 05:24:44 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So now the State invades religion, and forces some people to pay for abortions against their religious beliefs. Seriously, how is this really different from forcing people to worship a particular religion?


Because telling someone the health care they provide to employees must cover standard medications is not the same as forcing them to cease or begin any kind of worship to anyone. If you had to seriously ask that you should immediately stop sharing your opinions on anything.
 
2012-12-28 05:24:52 PM  

giftedmadness: ThrobblefootSpectre: Religious belief does not make you exempt from law that affects everyone.* You do not get to deny health benefits, hide your face for a driver's licence photo, beat your children for having a boyfriend, or smoke weed.


*(Unless your ancestors were here before the U.S. existed and peyote is a historically documented part of your religion.)

false equivalence.   Nobody is forcing people to work for Hobby Lobby.  If they don't like the health benefits offered by HL, they can apply for a job elsewhere.


Nobody is forcing Hobby Lobby to sell their shiat in the United States. If Hobby Lobby doesn't like the US, they can go run their business elsewhere.
 
2012-12-28 05:25:51 PM  

cwolf20: On an unrelated note.

Owner with 6 employees figured up the math on providing insurance for the first time to his employees.

It'll be cheaper for him to take a 350 dollar hit per employee including himself and wife. Which wouldn't be an issue except she's never worked there. But the state government told him she always has. Meanwhile the employees will go forth and get Obama care.

False economy... it might be a tiny bit cheaper in the short term, but in terms of running a good long term business paying a few bucks a month per employee will pay back in spades. If he only had the sense.
 
2012-12-28 05:26:01 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Great Janitor: It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.

Oh, but they can tell me who I can or cannot marry, and prevent me from adopting a child?

Conservatives. Bless their hearts. Please.


Interestingly enough, I don't think they should have the ability to tell you who to marry or if you can or can not adopt a child.

The role of the government should be small. Making sure we have infrastructure, clean water, a military and police and fire. That's about where it should end. Telling your employer how much you should be paid and what benefits you should or should not get shouldn't be the government's concern. If you work for Company ABC and you think you should make more money and get certain benefits, it shouldn't be the government who forces Company ABC to make those changes. It should be up to you to make the change to get the benefits and pay that you believe that you deserve. If that means changing jobs or acquiring a new job skills set, then make those changes.
 
2012-12-28 05:26:09 PM  

KidneyStone: I'm against my healthcare costs going up to pay for contraceptives. And that includes what I use.

How do you feel about your health care costs going up due to unplanned or unwanted pregnancies?

Birth control costs much much less than prenatal care, delivery with potential complications, postpartum care of the mother and then years of pediatric care.
 
2012-12-28 05:26:24 PM  
As for the potential fines, Duncan said, "We're just going to have to cross that bridge when we come to it."
That's gonna be some fine mother farkin' green bridge.

I see this turning into George Wallace vs the Federal Government in the school integration issue.
 
2012-12-28 05:27:37 PM  

special20: Romeo_Santana: Is that what CNN and John Stewart told you to think?

It's Jon, you farkin dumb ass. I guess it's not important in the bubble you live in.


;::notsureifserious.jpg:::::
 
2012-12-28 05:27:40 PM  

KidneyStone: Bontesla: KidneyStone: Bontesla: KidneyStone: I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.

Uhm your health insurance costs Do go up because employers weren't forced to cover things like contraception. Who do you think eats those costs when an uninsured mother gives birth?

Uhm, the doctor/hospital, not the insurance company.

Wait - you think doctors and hospitals are giving out free medical care? With no compensation? Just for free because... They're notoriously nice?

Are you that naive or are you that stupid? If an uninsured mother is giving birth then where does she go? Doctor? Hospital? You pick one of those and tell us which one will turn away a woman in labor. If she is uninsured then how do the insurance companies get stuck with the bill? Do you suppose there's some general "uninsured mothers fund" where they all chip in or is it more of a round-robin thing where State Farm pays one week and then it's up to UHC and the next week it's someone else?

And they call ME stupid here.


LOL.

Insurance companies pay inflated prices that, when spread out, cover for the uninsured. Hospitals don't just eat those costs, they charge $900 for a friggin aspirin.
 
2012-12-28 05:28:05 PM  

giftedmadness: Um...#1 violates the employers right to practice their religion.


BS.

No religion I have ever heard of says you can't partake in insurance.

If religions were to argue that any insurance they pay for has to follow their beliefs then what would stop people from claiming that they are christian scientists, and can pay for no procedures?

The fact is insurance, like OSHA standards are requirements if you want to employ people in the US. Saying they can't support insurance that allows BC is no different than saying they don't want their employees to wear respirators in a toxic environment.
 
2012-12-28 05:28:14 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So now the State invades religion, and forces some people to pay for abortions against their religious beliefs. Seriously, how is this really different from forcing people to worship a particular religion?


Care to quote the section of the bible that says you can't pay for someone else's abortion?
 
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