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2012-12-28 04:21:56 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Convenience abortions should be prosecuted as first degree murder.

Go ahead idiot liberals - open up this can of worms of pushing your beliefs on others through Obamacare and see what kind of a country we end up with. Because it won't take long for the ball to be in the other court, and I have a feeling the next republican president will make G W Bush look like Mahatma Gandhi, and then you dumbasses will really have something to cry about.


Oh my god, you're a riot!
Can you do a bit about welfare now?
 
2012-12-28 04:22:12 PM
I really can't hate them for saying that they don't want to offer coverage that goes against their beliefs. They aren't saying that they don't want their female employees not to be on the pill or whatever, just that they don't want to offer those programs. If their employees don't like it, they can find work else where. It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.
 
2012-12-28 04:23:22 PM

special20: cwolf20: On an unrelated note.

Owner with 6 employees figured up the math on providing insurance for the first time to his employees.

It'll be cheaper for him to take a 350 dollar hit per employee including himself and wife. Which wouldn't be an issue except she's never worked there. But the state government told him she always has. Meanwhile the employees will go forth and get Obama care.

Too bad "Owner" doesn't work hard enough to afford what is legally required. Some job creator "Owner" is... he must not be very smart.


Maybe he has worthless employees who spend too much time on FARK instead of working hard and increasing productivity.
 
2012-12-28 04:23:28 PM

Great Janitor: They aren't saying that they don't want their female employees not to be on the pill or whatever, just that they don't want to offer those programs.


Actually, that's exactly what they're saying.
 
2012-12-28 04:23:52 PM

Great Janitor: It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.


You're right; the government should be doing that all themselves for everyone
 
2012-12-28 04:23:56 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ghare: I just spent $40 at Sam Flax instead of Hobby Lobby because of this. Tried to email them a pic of my receipt, but for some reason there doesn't appear o be a link to email them with comments on their website.

That 40 bucks is going to push them right over the edge.

Boycotting them is kind of counter productive. If enough people did that (they won't), it would have more of a negative impact on the employees, then it would the company. Sales are down, you lay off people.


Agreed. Instead of just boycotting, why not print up some facts about Hobby Lobby and birth control and slip them onto shelves.
 
2012-12-28 04:24:02 PM

o5iiawah: The My Little Pony Killer: Maybe they should become a church if they want to have church rules.

Or maybe they should be a private company, one of those places where you can choose on your own whether or not to shop there or work there.


dafuq did I just read?
 
2012-12-28 04:24:18 PM

cmb53208: What makes fundies such awful pieces of shiat?


Religion.
 
2012-12-28 04:24:42 PM
Golly.
 
2012-12-28 04:25:46 PM

ghare: I just spent $40 at Sam Flax instead of Hobby Lobby because of this. Tried to email them a pic of my receipt, but for some reason there doesn't appear o be a link to email them with comments on their website.


I sent money to Planned Parenthood and then posted a screenshot of my contribution receipt to Komen's Facebook page. It was deleted faster than you can say "Abortionplex".
 
2012-12-28 04:25:56 PM

SisterMaryElephant: We get to smoke weed in Colorado now.


Not because of religion though.

I included that because the rastafarians in Florida have been claiming the religious right to get stoned for decades now.
 
2012-12-28 04:26:20 PM

imtheonlylp: ok, here goes..

if you don't like it, then find another job...it's not mandatory that you believe what they do nor is it mandatory that you are employed there...


Your logic:
1). Law is created to protect employees.
2). Employer violates law.
3). Punish employee.
 
2012-12-28 04:27:14 PM

cmb53208: What makes fundies such awful pieces of shiat?


I think it goes the opposite direction... awful pieces of shiat are attracted to fundamentalism, which further encourages them to be complete and utter shaitheads.
 
2012-12-28 04:27:29 PM
They worse than Taliban.
 
2012-12-28 04:27:39 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ghare: I just spent $40 at Sam Flax instead of Hobby Lobby because of this. Tried to email them a pic of my receipt, but for some reason there doesn't appear o be a link to email them with comments on their website.

That 40 bucks is going to push them right over the edge.

Boycotting them is kind of counter productive. If enough people did that (they won't), it would have more of a negative impact on the employees, then it would the company. Sales are down, you lay off people.


Yeah, you couldn't, you know, become more efficient, or change your stupid policy, or reduce executives salaries or anything else, all you can do is lay off employees.

I'll boycott anyway. I suspect I'm not alone, you see.
 
2012-12-28 04:28:39 PM
FTA: "Our family is now being forced to choose between following the laws of the land that we love or maintaining the religious beliefs that have made our business successful and supported our family and thousands of our employees and their families," Green said in September. "We simply cannot abandon our religious beliefs to comply with this mandate."

$10 says that this exact argument, or words to that affect, were used against the idea of making slavery illegal.
 
2012-12-28 04:29:17 PM

Great Janitor: It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.


So, by that logic, a company owned by Christian Scientists should be allowed to deny coverage to their non-CS employees for blood transfusions. You're OK with that?
 
2012-12-28 04:29:47 PM

Bontesla: o5iiawah: The My Little Pony Killer: Maybe they should become a church if they want to have church rules.

Or maybe they should be a private company, one of those places where you can choose on your own whether or not to shop there or work there.

dafuq did I just read?


You read a smattering of the idiotic theory of "free market" logic as told by a slave.
 
2012-12-28 04:29:57 PM
Insurance is often a part of your remuneration. An employer should have as much choice over its content as they should over what you spend your wage on. Even the idea that they have any idea of its content is bizarre to me, as a non-American. If you have to have this weird system in the US where you healthcare is usually tied to your employment, at least have an iron curtain between them.
 
2012-12-28 04:30:19 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ghare: I just spent $40 at Sam Flax instead of Hobby Lobby because of this. Tried to email them a pic of my receipt, but for some reason there doesn't appear o be a link to email them with comments on their website.

That 40 bucks is going to push them right over the edge.

Boycotting them is kind of counter productive. If enough people did that (they won't), it would have more of a negative impact on the employees, then it would the company. Sales are down, you lay off people.

Agreed. Instead of just boycotting, why not print up some facts about Hobby Lobby and birth control and slip them onto shelves.


Because I don't care THAT much. But when I buy art supplies, there are alternatives to Hobby Lobby. So I'll shop at the other places. And I do buy a fair amount of art stuff.
 
2012-12-28 04:30:37 PM

Bhruic: $10 says that this exact argument, or words to that affect, were used against the idea of making slavery illegal.


You'd win that bet. The southern baptist church split off from the main baptist church specifically on the issue of biblical justification/endorsement of slavery.
 
2012-12-28 04:30:39 PM

cwolf20: On an unrelated note.

Owner with 6 employees figured up the math on providing insurance for the first time to his employees.

It'll be cheaper for him to take a 350 dollar hit per employee including himself and wife. Which wouldn't be an issue except she's never worked there. But the state government told him she always has. Meanwhile the employees will go forth and get Obama care.


I sell health insurance. Took a few classes on Obamacare. The company I work for works with five different health insurance companies. Some are well known, others aren't. When it comes to health insurance, they pretty much all cost about the same. I offer my clients two health insurance packages. The Obamacare package and the non-Obamacare package. I also explain "For a married couple, the Obamacare package is going to run you about $8,000/year. The non-Obamacare package is half that. But you also have to pay the fine for not having it. If you rarely go to the doctor and are generally healthy, take the non-Obamacare package, it is the cheaper way to go."

Of course, I we've already been told that we're going to take a cut in commissions due Health Care reform and that we'd be better off focusing more on the Life Insurance for 2013.
 
2012-12-28 04:31:16 PM
"Our family is now being forced to choose between following the laws of the land that we love or maintaining the religious beliefs that have made our business successful and supported our family and thousands of our employees and their families," Green said in September. "We simply cannot abandon our religious beliefs to comply with this mandate."

Well pilgrim, get to pilgrimming.
 
2012-12-28 04:32:08 PM

Bontesla:
Oh my god, you're a riot!
Can you do a bit about welfare now?


No
 
2012-12-28 04:32:37 PM
My religion says hard hats and steel toed boots are the mark of Satan, therefore my employees are exempt from OSHA regulations.
 
2012-12-28 04:33:08 PM
Fact that businesses are forced to provide health insurance in the first place is just awful.
 
2012-12-28 04:33:16 PM

Great Janitor: I really can't hate them for saying that they don't want to offer coverage that goes against their beliefs. They aren't saying that they don't want their female employees not to be on the pill or whatever, just that they don't want to offer those programs. If their employees don't like it, they can find work else where. It shouldn't be the government's position to tell businesses exactly what benefits they have to offer, what kind of healthcare packages they have to provide.


Why should your employer's religious preferences be imposed on the standard of insurance you can receive?

Other than offering insurance - the business has no business in my medical business.
 
2012-12-28 04:33:18 PM

Bontesla: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ghare: I just spent $40 at Sam Flax instead of Hobby Lobby because of this. Tried to email them a pic of my receipt, but for some reason there doesn't appear o be a link to email them with comments on their website.

That 40 bucks is going to push them right over the edge.

Boycotting them is kind of counter productive. If enough people did that (they won't), it would have more of a negative impact on the employees, then it would the company. Sales are down, you lay off people.

That's assuming you've quit your hobby instead of taking your business elsewhere. Why would you quit your hobby?


Wal*Martization. I don't know exactly how big these guys are as a chain, but I could imagine a scenario where the big guy rolls into town, puts the small hobby shop(s) out of business and becomes the only game within 50 mi.
 
2012-12-28 04:33:30 PM

ElwoodCuse: Actually, you do if you're a church.


If you are referring to taxes, that exemption is based on being a non-profit organization. it applies to secular organizations also. So it isn't an exemption based on religious belief.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you might be referring to.
 
2012-12-28 04:34:31 PM
The Greens should shove some Chic-Fil-A up their asses and STFU.

Honestly, I'm sick of these fundies who own corporations thinking they can act like their business is a branch of their church. It's not, and your employees are not your congregation.

Honestly, screw these people.
 
2012-12-28 04:35:25 PM

ProfessorOhki: Bontesla: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ghare: I just spent $40 at Sam Flax instead of Hobby Lobby because of this. Tried to email them a pic of my receipt, but for some reason there doesn't appear o be a link to email them with comments on their website.

That 40 bucks is going to push them right over the edge.

Boycotting them is kind of counter productive. If enough people did that (they won't), it would have more of a negative impact on the employees, then it would the company. Sales are down, you lay off people.

That's assuming you've quit your hobby instead of taking your business elsewhere. Why would you quit your hobby?

Wal*Martization. I don't know exactly how big these guys are as a chain, but I could imagine a scenario where the big guy rolls into town, puts the small hobby shop(s) out of business and becomes the only game within 50 mi.


There's this thing called "the intarwebs." You can order stuff from it. I rarely have an emergency need to have art supplies RIGHT NOW.
 
2012-12-28 04:36:33 PM
When I was a kid and saw a store with the name "Hobby" in it I knew that it sold, model planes, trains, Estes rockets etc. You know...fun stuff.
That meaning of that word has been faded by Hobby Lobby. Scrap booking? A hobby?

I much more enjoyed the "Hobbiest" term used in the Suzy Favor Hamilton story.
 
2012-12-28 04:36:34 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: ElwoodCuse: Actually, you do if you're a church.

If you are referring to taxes, that exemption is based on being a non-profit organization. it applies to secular organizations also. So it isn't an exemption based on religious belief.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you might be referring to.


The law Hobby Lobby is biatching about has an exemption for religious organizations. Religious organizations gets similar exemptions from discrimination laws (like when a Catholic school is allowed to fire a teacher because she got pregnant but is unmarried). Hobby Lobby sued because they claimed they should get an exemption because of their religious beliefs. However, the exemption isn't for businesses, and they are a business.
 
2012-12-28 04:36:52 PM
What's funny is how the more liberal among us think this doesn't affect them.

cmb53208: What makes fundies such awful pieces of shiat?


Is that what CNN and John Stewart told you to think?
 
2012-12-28 04:37:09 PM
Why don't fundamentalists have sex while standing up? They don't want anyone to think they are dancing.
 
2012-12-28 04:38:26 PM
Whatever. Let the fines begin.
 
2012-12-28 04:38:31 PM
i123.photobucket.com

How am I the first?
 
2012-12-28 04:38:59 PM

Romeo_Santana: What's funny is how the more liberal among us think this doesn't affect them. cmb53208: What makes fundies such awful pieces of shiat?

Is that what CNN and John Stewart told you to think?


Exactly what point is it you're trying to make? I mean, I know your point is "HURR DURRR LIBS SO STUPID!" but what logical statement are you trying to make? That libs aren't going to like a law that they like once they find out it does things they like?
 
2012-12-28 04:38:59 PM

Thunderpipes: Fact that businesses are forced to provide health insurance in the first place is just awful.


American blood was spilled to get health insurance by employers, ya know. I would guess that you're only interested in the blood that some foreign-born Jewish carpenter spilled a couple thousand years ago... allegedly.
 
2012-12-28 04:39:40 PM

ProfessorOhki: Bontesla: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ghare: I just spent $40 at Sam Flax instead of Hobby Lobby because of this. Tried to email them a pic of my receipt, but for some reason there doesn't appear o be a link to email them with comments on their website.

That 40 bucks is going to push them right over the edge.

Boycotting them is kind of counter productive. If enough people did that (they won't), it would have more of a negative impact on the employees, then it would the company. Sales are down, you lay off people.

That's assuming you've quit your hobby instead of taking your business elsewhere. Why would you quit your hobby?

Wal*Martization. I don't know exactly how big these guys are as a chain, but I could imagine a scenario where the big guy rolls into town, puts the small hobby shop(s) out of business and becomes the only game within 50 mi.


I agree that the Hobby Lobby may be the only place near you - especially for smaller towns. I'd buy online. Hell, enough local residents buy online and another retailer may see an opportunity?
 
2012-12-28 04:40:06 PM

ElwoodCuse: The law Hobby Lobby is biatching about has an exemption for religious organizations.


Is it an exemption for non-profits? Or an exemption based on religious beliefs?

I'm having a difficult time accepting your statement at face value. Though dumber things have happened, I suppose.
 
2012-12-28 04:40:34 PM

NightOwl2255: Di Atribe: Hey, why not just follow your employees home to make sure they're not farking for fun?

Hey, don't put that past the Green family. They are, how shall we say, true holy rollers. Of course they live like billionaires, not humble servants of god (that would be their many minimum wage slaves), but you gotta draw the line somewhere, right?


I grew up in what could be deemed a "holy roller" household. I never once heard contraception demonized or called un-holy. It seems to me that business owners who pull this sort of shiat are basically trying to show off how Christian they are.

Whatever. My religion dictates that I sleep until 10am every morning. Now I'm going to make everyone do it because to me, it's the only moral thing to do.
 
2012-12-28 04:40:47 PM

Thunderpipes: Fact that businesses are forced to provide health insurance in the first place is just awful.


If you have insurance through your job, you're a damned hypocrite.

If you think it's horrible that they are forced to provide it, show your principles by refusing to accept it.

Then maybe you have some ground to stand on.
 
2012-12-28 04:41:03 PM

Dinjiin: If we had a single payer system were the federal or state governments offered the plans, this wouldn't be an issue.  Companies wouldn't have any direct part in healthcare compensation.  A lot of smaller companies would have preferred such a system so they don't have to be involved in the healthcare cluserfark.

Instead, we have our current mess.  Thanks Congress.


Why does Congress insist on keeping this job-killing health care tax on our job-creating companies?
 
2012-12-28 04:41:38 PM

Nabb1: KiTTeNs_on_AciD: This will end well for them. Everyone knows the gays just abhor arts & crafts. No way this could possibly hurt their business more than covering birth control.

I'd think gays would be ambivalent about birth control since they really don't need it to prevent pregnancy.


Ambivalent about birth control maybe, not about evangelicals using religion as an excuse to involve themselves in the private lives of their employees. As it turns out, they have personal experience dealing with similar situations and are capable of empathy.
 
2012-12-28 04:41:46 PM

Romeo_Santana: Is that what CNN and John Stewart told you to think?


It's Jon, you farkin dumb ass. I guess it's not important in the bubble you live in.
 
2012-12-28 04:41:51 PM
If they want to operate as a business, then they need to follow the rules for businesses not a private membership church.

I don't think a company owned by Jehovah' s Witnesses can require that their employer sponsored insurance denies a patient a kidney transplant.

It's f*cked up that health insurance comes from your employer anyway. Aside from damage sustained on the job, it's none of your boss's business what you need from your doctor.
 
2012-12-28 04:42:09 PM
I have a big problem with the government making it a law that health insurance must pay for contraceptives. Ya wanna fark and not make babies? Cool, but don't make my health insurance costs go up because of it.
 
2012-12-28 04:42:46 PM

Bontesla: imtheonlylp: ok, here goes..

if you don't like it, then find another job...it's not mandatory that you believe what they do nor is it mandatory that you are employed there...

Your logic:
1). Law is created to protect employees.
2). Employer violates law.
3). Punish employee.


don't really think they're "punishing" anyone...employees are welcome to get their own insurance wherever they please...

My logic:
1) You don't agree with a business or their ethics or even their stance on any issue.
2) Don't work there and don't shop there.
3) Problem solved.
 
2012-12-28 04:43:02 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Convenience abortions should be prosecuted as first degree murder.

Go ahead idiot liberals - open up this can of worms of pushing your beliefs on others through Obamacare and see what kind of a country we end up with. Because it won't take long for the ball to be in the other court, and I have a feeling the next republican president will make G W Bush look like Mahatma Gandhi, and then you dumbasses will really have something to cry about.


lh3.ggpht.com

Retards are so cute.
 
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