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2012-12-28 10:42:44 AM
I guess it's better than being hacked open. Still kind of grotesque.
 
2012-12-28 10:49:02 AM
So after the fat cells are frozen, then what?
 
2012-12-28 10:49:54 AM

EatHam: So after the fat cells are frozen, then what?


They die, and the body flushes them away.
 
2012-12-28 10:50:59 AM

EatHam: So after the fat cells are frozen, then what?


You want to turn this into a poop thread?
 
2012-12-28 01:56:33 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
WANT
 
2012-12-28 02:04:10 PM

EatHam: So after the fat cells are frozen, then what?


hammer time
 
2012-12-28 03:02:28 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: EatHam: So after the fat cells are frozen, then what?

hammer time


Can't touch this...it's gone gangrenous.
 
2012-12-28 03:03:52 PM
Older and busteder: Eating healthy, portion control and exercising.
 
2012-12-28 03:04:26 PM
TFA says it doesn't work for fatties, only for spot tone-ups.
 
2012-12-28 03:05:29 PM
Follow-up article: 6 year-old girl taken to get CoolScuplting by her mother. "It seemed like a good idea at the time."


Following Follow-up article: the process called 'CoolScuplting' has been linked to 7 new types of agressive cancers.
 
2012-12-28 03:07:29 PM
Since trying to make fat "melt off" failed, I guess freezing is now the newest weight-loss fad.
 
2012-12-28 03:07:50 PM
So putting sub-zero ice on your skin is going to freeze the fat underneath it and cause the fat cells to die, but do nothing to your skin? Anybody with a GED in medicine from webmd want to chime in?
 
2012-12-28 03:08:09 PM
...I'm not a heterosexual, but does anyone actually believe the woman shown in the article actually needed to lose that weight, through surgery none the less?
 
2012-12-28 03:10:02 PM

beefoe: So putting sub-zero ice on your skin is going to freeze the fat underneath it and cause the fat cells to die, but do nothing to your skin? Anybody with a GED in medicine from webmd want to chime in?


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
Ass fat fatality!
 
2012-12-28 03:11:02 PM
I'll believe it when I see Eskimo super models walk the runway.

/Paul was the walrus
 
2012-12-28 03:11:16 PM
The sub-zero temperatures cause the fat cells to die. They are then flushed away by the body over the next few months.


How are they "flushed away"? How do they leave the body? This doesn't make sense.
 
2012-12-28 03:12:42 PM

PonceAlyosha: ...I'm not a heterosexual, but does anyone actually believe the woman shown in the article actually needed to lose that weight, through surgery none the less?


I became aware of this process by overhearing two women discussing it in the gym. The woman who was going in for the procedure had decided to do so because it was the only way to eliminate that 'last little area that still had some fat', which was evidently (per her gesturing) a space of perhaps three square inches just above the hip.

This woman is the leanest person I have ever seen - that any 'medical professional' would go along with a procedure to eliminate the absolute last iota of any visible 'fat' from someone with such obvious body perception issues is ridiculous.
 
2012-12-28 03:13:05 PM
Go be frozen somewhere else!
 
2012-12-28 03:14:33 PM

FunkOut: beefoe: So putting sub-zero ice on your skin is going to freeze the fat underneath it and cause the fat cells to die, but do nothing to your skin? Anybody with a GED in medicine from webmd want to chime in?

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Ass fat fatality!


My GED in science from PubMed says the answer to your question is "good question, farked if we know how it works, we just know it works." My PubMed GED suggests someone just tried it once, noticed fat cells were dying first or easier and sweet we can make money off of it. No idea why it works that way though. This is how a lot of medicine actually is.

Link
 
2012-12-28 03:15:13 PM
Ted Williams is looking a lot thinner lately.
 
2012-12-28 03:16:03 PM
Will no one mention the NSFW pic in the article?
 
2012-12-28 03:16:06 PM
Ice, ice baby.
 
2012-12-28 03:20:13 PM

doczoidberg: Will no one mention the NSFW pic in the article?


You're really a dipshiat, if you didn't notice the NSFW mention IN THE HEADLINE.
 
2012-12-28 03:20:26 PM

doczoidberg: Will no one mention the NSFW pic in the article?


Old and busted: Liposuction. New hotness: Freezing fat off you. (with possible Not safe for work pic)

Consider it mentioned.
 
2012-12-28 03:21:19 PM
No wonder Mr. Cool Ice is so lean.
 
2012-12-28 03:21:33 PM

doczoidberg: Will no one mention the NSFW pic in the article?


Oh, those poor little frozen Asian boobies.
 
2012-12-28 03:21:39 PM

doczoidberg: Will no one mention the NSFW pic in the article?


Too bony, would not hit.
 
2012-12-28 03:21:56 PM
My understanding of how this works:
1) They freeze the fat
2) The protoplasm in the fat cell expands as it freezes breaking the cell walls
3) The frozen cell innards thaw out and settle somewhere in a lower area.
4) The broken cells are then absorbed by other cells and/or kicked out as part of the cellular waste removal process.
 
2012-12-28 03:22:17 PM
Because Diet and exercise is just way too much right?
 
2012-12-28 03:24:57 PM
It really is a shame that someone could get fired for loading that pic.
 
2012-12-28 03:25:22 PM
Shoveling snow at forty below in the upper Midwest burns fat like you wouldn't believe.
And people will pay you to do it, too.
 
2012-12-28 03:27:22 PM

SuburbanCowboy: Because Diet and exercise is just way too much right?


Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority.
 
2012-12-28 03:27:56 PM

Lexx: doczoidberg: Will no one mention the NSFW pic in the article?

You're really a dipshiat, if you didn't notice the NSFW mention IN THE HEADLINE.



Insert Facepalm pic here, please.
 
2012-12-28 03:29:32 PM

meanmutton: Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority


You sound fat.

/Lost 30 lbs. on the "Stop Eating So Much Garbage Food" diet and the "Get Off Your Ass And Do Something" exercise plan.
 
2012-12-28 03:32:16 PM
Cant wait for someone to say "I'm freezing my ass off."
 
2012-12-28 03:35:21 PM

Ika7734: My understanding of how this works:
1) They freeze the fat
2) The protoplasm in the fat cell expands as it freezes breaking the cell walls
3) The frozen cell innards thaw out and settle somewhere in a lower area.
4) The broken cells are then absorbed by other cells and/or kicked out as part of the cellular waste removal process.


The question is, since this works by contact with the skin, how does this procedure work on fat cells without affecting skin cells? This sounds like junk science at best; at worst, a high chance of getting severe frostbite.
 
2012-12-28 03:35:24 PM

meanmutton: Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority.


Your scientific reasoning skills need significant work. Significant work.

• Your study doesn't address the question you think it does, nor does it even attempt to.
• Any reasonable tangential interpretation/hypothesis you might draw from your study suggests that yeah actually diet / exercise works.
• The very basis of your study is to choose studies for whom diet/exercise already worked. That was a meta-analysis of 29 diet/exercise regimens that worked.

But let's pretend we're actually discussing your study and it's relevant and whatnot. Here's a bunch of people who diet/exercise worked for. Let's check up on them 5 years later and see if they kept the weight off. Some of them didn't! So you conclude diet/exercise do not work? Holy farking shiat. I'm gonna have a farking seizure. MAYBE THOSE SUBJECTS DIDNT KEEP EXERCISING
 
2012-12-28 03:36:03 PM
We need to invent a pill that tricks your body into thinking its full and doesn't need to arbitrager. It must be a chemical process that tells your brain you've eaten enough. If its just a matter of the stomach actually being full then we need to invent an indigestable balloon that can be swallows then inflated and tied off. Something that won't abstruct food from being digested or doing into.the intestines but instead tricks your brain into always feeling full.
I know I can stop thinking about food unless I'm very full, only then do my cravings subside
 
2012-12-28 03:38:45 PM
Well, I'm a regular gym person, and after a couple years of solid thrice-weekly going, it just won't give me a flat stomach. I might give this a shot when I have more money and more research is done. It's very very very difficult or impossible to get rid of belly/love handle/ass cellulite just by dieting and exercise, so for that small percentage of people who work out and still have problem areas, this may be rather nice.
 
2012-12-28 03:39:30 PM

physt: The sub-zero temperatures cause the fat cells to die. They are then flushed away by the body over the next few months.


How are they "flushed away"? How do they leave the body? This doesn't make sense.


Thank you for showing the common sense that many many people refuse to show.
A friend insisted that a rub-on essential oil knew what part of the body to heal. I was dumbstruck by how undereducated someone must be to assert that.
 
2012-12-28 03:39:36 PM
Whatever happened to good ol' bulemia?
 
2012-12-28 03:40:18 PM
With the rise in global warming and the heat over gun control I see this to be a short lived method of reduction.
 
2012-12-28 03:41:30 PM
hot like....nevermind
 
2012-12-28 03:41:47 PM

Vector R: Well, I'm a regular gym person, and after a couple years of solid thrice-weekly going, it just won't give me a flat stomach.


That's more about diet than it is exercise. It's about getting your fat content below a certain percentage. You can get a flat stomach without any real exercise. But I mean, the diet sucks balls. Serious balls.
 
2012-12-28 03:44:37 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: WANT


Isn't this the guy that the South Park kids couldn't kill in World of Warcraft without that deadly sword?
 
2012-12-28 03:48:11 PM
cool story bro
 
2012-12-28 03:48:24 PM

lennavan: Vector R: Well, I'm a regular gym person, and after a couple years of solid thrice-weekly going, it just won't give me a flat stomach.

That's more about diet than it is exercise. It's about getting your fat content below a certain percentage. You can get a flat stomach without any real exercise. But I mean, the diet sucks balls. Serious balls.


I imagine ball sucking would up your salt intake and make you retain water.
 
2012-12-28 03:50:14 PM

beefoe: doczoidberg: Will no one mention the NSFW pic in the article?

Old and busted: Liposuction. New hotness: Freezing fat off you. (with possible Not safe for work pic)

Consider it mentioned.


...

Nowhere in the headline does it say NSFW.

/jeez, some people
 
2012-12-28 03:50:28 PM

meanmutton: Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority.


You know that your link says the exact opposite of what you said, right?

"Results:.....Six studies reported that groups who exercised more had significantly greater weight-loss maintenance than did those who exercised less."

Conclusion: Five years after completing structured weight-loss programs, the average individual maintained a weight loss of >3 kg and a reduced weight of >3% of initial body weight."
 
2012-12-28 03:52:43 PM
Who thought up this method, Dr Han Solo?
 
2012-12-28 03:55:01 PM

physt: How are they "flushed away"? How do they leave the body? This doesn't make sense.


Dead dells (or cell remnants) are attacked and broken down by the immune system. One type of cell tags the dead cell with antigen. The antigen causes the immune system to treat the dead cell as invader molecules.

Autoimmune disorders, such as Lupus, are this same process gone haywire, so that the immune system is breaking down healthy cells.
 
2012-12-28 03:55:17 PM

doczoidberg: Lexx: doczoidberg: Will no one mention the NSFW pic in the article?

You're really a dipshiat, if you didn't notice the NSFW mention IN THE HEADLINE.


Insert Facepalm pic here, please.


To be fair it says POSSIBLE Not Safe for work pic. I guess you were one of the lucky ones that saw a NSFW picture. I clicked thinking "it's possible there's NOT a NSFW pic"
 
2012-12-28 03:58:19 PM
How is a picture of a mans nipples NSFW?
 
2012-12-28 03:59:43 PM

EatHam: So after the fat cells are frozen, then what?


First they die off. Then the remnants are absorbed into the surrounding tissues with the excess expelled from the body as any other excess material normally is.

Then just like in liposuction procedures, the remaining fat cells just get bigger to make up for the loss is storage capacity. Instead of having 10,000 fat cells at 1 unit big, you end up with 5,000 that are 2 units big. The result is more lumps.
 
2012-12-28 04:00:06 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: How is a picture of a mans nipples NSFW?


Men in your area look like Asian girls, eh? How's Bangkok?
 
2012-12-28 04:00:14 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: How is a picture of a mans nipples NSFW?


I have some news for you, which may be good or bad.
 
2012-12-28 04:01:17 PM

dmax: physt: The sub-zero temperatures cause the fat cells to die. They are then flushed away by the body over the next few months.


How are they "flushed away"? How do they leave the body? This doesn't make sense.

Thank you for showing the common sense that many many people refuse to show.
A friend insisted that a rub-on essential oil knew what part of the body to heal. I was dumbstruck by how undereducated someone must be to assert that.


I've lost just about 50 LBS in the last 7 months by counting calories and exercising. Every time someone asks how I did it, they seem to ignore the calorie counting and zero in on the running. That is often followed by excuses about how they could never, ever run for various reasons. People just don't want to hear that they might be over eating. There MUST be some other reason why they are fat.
 
2012-12-28 04:03:02 PM

physt: The sub-zero temperatures cause the fat cells to die. They are then flushed away by the body over the next few months.


How are they "flushed away"? How do they leave the body? This doesn't make sense.


static.ddmcdn.com
 
2012-12-28 04:07:31 PM

Wolf892: We need to invent a pill that tricks your body into thinking its full and doesn't need to arbitrager. It must be a chemical process that tells your brain you've eaten enough. If its just a matter of the stomach actually being full then we need to invent an indigestable balloon that can be swallows then inflated and tied off. Something that won't abstruct food from being digested or doing into.the intestines but instead tricks your brain into always feeling full.
I know I can stop thinking about food unless I'm very full, only then do my cravings subside


We have that - it's called 'Coconut Oil' - eat a spoonful of it and you won't want to eat any more for a while.

lennavan: Vector R: Well, I'm a regular gym person, and after a couple years of solid thrice-weekly going, it just won't give me a flat stomach.

That's more about diet than it is exercise. It's about getting your fat content below a certain percentage. You can get a flat stomach without any real exercise. But I mean, the diet sucks balls. Serious balls.


Paleo diet did it for me - almost scarily so. I thought I was slim before at 5 foot 8 160 lbs, but I dropped 15 pounds and probably 2-3 inches off my waistline in under a month. What's more - my body seems 'stuck' on a much higher burn rate, if I miss a meal (even when I'm not working out as regularly) I start dropping weight pretty fast. Not entirely happy about that part, eating enough to maintain my weight is hard enough, putting on any more mass is going to be a real challenge.
 
2012-12-28 04:07:32 PM

Benjimin_Dover: EatHam: So after the fat cells are frozen, then what?

First they die off. Then the remnants are absorbed into the surrounding tissues with the excess expelled from the body as any other excess material normally is.

Then just like in liposuction procedures, the remaining fat cells just get bigger to make up for the loss is storage capacity. Instead of having 10,000 fat cells at 1 unit big, you end up with 5,000 that are 2 units big. The result is more lumps.


Too bad they don't make lovely lady lumps.
 
2012-12-28 04:09:57 PM

Wolf892: We need to invent a pill that tricks your body into thinking its full and doesn't need to arbitrager. It must be a chemical process that tells your brain you've eaten enough. If its just a matter of the stomach actually being full then we need to invent an indigestable balloon that can be swallows then inflated and tied off. Something that won't abstruct food from being digested or doing into.the intestines but instead tricks your brain into always feeling full.
I know I can stop thinking about food unless I'm very full, only then do my cravings subside


I understand. However, there is no difference in being satisfied by being very full of something with decent nutritional value and "junk" like cookies, ice cream, cake... The best way to eat healthy is to simply stop purchasing junk food when you are at the store. If you don't have it in your house you cannot eat it, and you will be forced to eat healthier alternatives that you do have available. And, now that Hostess isn't producing delicious Ho-Ho's it makes shopping without purchasing junk food much easier. RIP Ho-Ho's... :-(

And, something I found played a huge role in reversing weigh gain... once I ate enough to be satisfied I immediately stopped eating. No finishing those couple of spoon fulls left on my plate. I immediately stopped eating and threw the rest away so I am not tempted to pick at it. Every calorie that I don't eat is one less that I have to worry about burning. It is easier to not eat it than to burn it.
 
2012-12-28 04:11:09 PM

Wolf892: We need to invent a pill that tricks your body into thinking its full and doesn't need to arbitrager. It must be a chemical process that tells your brain you've eaten enough. If its just a matter of the stomach actually being full then we need to invent an indigestable balloon that can be swallows then inflated and tied off. Something that won't abstruct food from being digested or doing into.the intestines but instead tricks your brain into always feeling full.
I know I can stop thinking about food unless I'm very full, only then do my cravings subside



If your body is not screwed up, then you're not going to overeat in the first place. Most countries had low rates of obesity before highly processed foods took over. And the "more physical activity" is a red herring - it's not like an accountant in the 1960's was walking to work every day.

The reason most Americans don't have good feedback systems for their appetites is that modern food is designed to keep you eating. Nutritionists in the US, the vast majority of who are complete cretins, keep pushing the same old drek of calories in vs. calories out. But without including factors like mouth feel, engineered palatability, and number of chews per mouthful, people are endlessly fighting to maintain a weight that would have been effortless for them 50 years ago.

And of course, Big Food keeps pushing the idea that it's all about personal responsibility, and that a 3/4 pound bacon cheeseburger is peachy keen as long as you do it moderation. First step in getting off the hook with drugs is to stop taking health advice from your dealer...
 
2012-12-28 04:11:23 PM
Context is everything, of course. It's not NSFW in many countries that are a lot more casual about nips, and even in America you can work a lot of places--medical settings, for example--where you can have extremely close-up and detailed photos of breasts and genitalia on your computer, assuming, of course, that you have a particular reason for looking that sort of thing up at that moment. If the Daily Fail gave even a bit of thought to picking their accompanying photo, they could have gone with a woman in a belly shirt with obviously erect nipples having an ice cube rubbed on her skin below her navel and said, hey, it's a response to the cold, right?

As to the likelihood of this treatment replacing liposuction, I doubt it. Despite the discomfort, massive bruising, and likelihood of internal bleeding and other complications from lipo, at least the fat is going out through a tube and not your bloodstream. Having a bunch of fat squirted into your veins from necrosed fat cells all at once doesn't sound very healthy to me.
 
2012-12-28 04:13:58 PM
I'd be interested in hearing how cold these cells have to be to die. I have a very large snowdrift outside my patio door and I'm fully willing to sit in it in exchange for some free body sculpting.
 
2012-12-28 04:14:19 PM

ltdanman44: physt: The sub-zero temperatures cause the fat cells to die. They are then flushed away by the body over the next few months.


How are they "flushed away"? How do they leave the body? This doesn't make sense.

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static.ddmcdn.com

Does that macrophage have a face? It looks like it's barfing.
 
2012-12-28 04:17:37 PM

lennavan: Does that macrophage have a face? It looks like it's barfing.


That's what I thought too. Looks like it has a really bad hangover.
 
2012-12-28 04:26:20 PM

Mr. Toadcheese: Context is everything, of course. It's not NSFW in many countries that are a lot more casual about nips, and even in America you can work a lot of places--medical settings, for example--where you can have extremely close-up and detailed photos of breasts and genitalia on your computer, assuming, of course, that you have a particular reason for looking that sort of thing up at that moment.


I worked as a web programmer for a company that had a lingerie-seller for a client. As I was touching up CSS for their site, I thought to myself "I'm being paid to look at pictures of gorgeous young women wearing almost nothing." The teenage BLink would have had a heart attack thinking about this dream job.

As to the likelihood of this treatment replacing liposuction, I doubt it. Despite the discomfort, massive bruising, and likelihood of internal bleeding and other complications from lipo, at least the fat is going out through a tube and not your bloodstream. Having a bunch of fat squirted into your veins from necrosed fat cells all at once doesn't sound very healthy to me.

Well, I'd expect that the first and most obvious symptom would be high fever. You'd think they'd be on the lookout for stuff like that.. but the fact is that you're sloughing off dead tissue all the time with no ill effects.
 
2012-12-28 04:29:19 PM

Girion47: lennavan: Vector R: Well, I'm a regular gym person, and after a couple years of solid thrice-weekly going, it just won't give me a flat stomach.

That's more about diet than it is exercise. It's about getting your fat content below a certain percentage. You can get a flat stomach without any real exercise. But I mean, the diet sucks balls. Serious balls.

I imagine ball sucking would up your salt intake and make you retain water.


I was summoned?
 
2012-12-28 04:32:40 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: physt: How are they "flushed away"? How do they leave the body? This doesn't make sense.

Dead dells (or cell remnants) are attacked and broken down by the immune system. One type of cell tags the dead cell with antigen. The antigen causes the immune system to treat the dead cell as invader molecules.

Autoimmune disorders, such as Lupus, are this same process gone haywire, so that the immune system is breaking down healthy cells.


Thanks for the explanation.
 
2012-12-28 04:46:00 PM

Mister Peejay: Ohlookabutterfly: How is a picture of a mans nipples NSFW?

I have some news for you, which may be good or bad.


ok, ok, but you have to admit she's rather titularily challenged... and scrawny.

/need me some voluptuous Bettie Page types to look at
//also, this is why I bought a cheap pay-as-you-go mobile hotspot, to look at boobies at work without our i.t. guy tattling on me
 
2012-12-28 05:12:12 PM
Getting lean is 90% diet. Paleo, Primal or Whole 30 will do wonders for anyone that wants to drop fat. Toss in exercise and the caloric demands from increased muscle mass will make this work even better. The more muscle you build the more food you need to consume to maintain it.

Any medical "solution"(i.e. lipo, lap-band, gastric bypass) without the corresponding lifestyle change will only be a short term fix.
 
2012-12-28 05:13:24 PM

PonceAlyosha: ...I'm not a heterosexual, but does anyone actually believe the woman shown in the article actually needed to lose that weight, through surgery none the less?


Both pics looked 'shopped to me.
 
2012-12-28 05:15:25 PM

GoldSpider: meanmutton: Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority

You sound fat.

/Lost 30 lbs. on the "Stop Eating So Much Garbage Food" diet and the "Get Off Your Ass And Do Something" exercise plan.


Metabolisms are different for different people and change over time, hormones, genetics, ect...but at the end of the day if calories consumed exceed calories used in the long term there will be weight gain.

/Lost 15 pounds by cutting out junk and adding a big portion or veggies to dinner (in theory displacing something worse). I still follow my sit on my ass exercise plan though.
 
2012-12-28 05:16:23 PM

Jster422: PonceAlyosha: ...I'm not a heterosexual, but does anyone actually believe the woman shown in the article actually needed to lose that weight, through surgery none the less?

I became aware of this process by overhearing two women discussing it in the gym. The woman who was going in for the procedure had decided to do so because it was the only way to eliminate that 'last little area that still had some fat', which was evidently (per her gesturing) a space of perhaps three square inches just above the hip.

This woman is the leanest person I have ever seen - that any 'medical professional' would go along with a procedure to eliminate the absolute last iota of any visible 'fat' from someone with such obvious body perception issues is ridiculous.



If this woman has borne a child, that area might not be fat; it might just be extra skin (with the supporting layers of tissue under it).
 
2012-12-28 05:18:03 PM

meanmutton: SuburbanCowboy: Because Diet and exercise is just way too much right?

Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority.



Yep.

\not a fattie
 
2012-12-28 05:20:37 PM
how's it work on fat heads - like that fat head, down at the bank?
 
2012-12-28 05:20:45 PM

lennavan: meanmutton: Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority.

Your scientific reasoning skills need significant work. Significant work.

• Your study doesn't address the question you think it does, nor does it even attempt to.
• Any reasonable tangential interpretation/hypothesis you might draw from your study suggests that yeah actually diet / exercise works.
• The very basis of your study is to choose studies for whom diet/exercise already worked. That was a meta-analysis of 29 diet/exercise regimens that worked.

But let's pretend we're actually discussing your study and it's relevant and whatnot. Here's a bunch of people who diet/exercise worked for. Let's check up on them 5 years later and see if they kept the weight off. Some of them didn't! So you conclude diet/exercise do not work? Holy farking shiat. I'm gonna have a farking seizure. MAYBE THOSE SUBJECTS DIDNT KEEP EXERCISING


linky linky

Quoting:

For years, the advice to the overweight and obese has been that we simply need to eat less and exercise more. While there is truth to this guidance, it fails to take into account that the human body continues to fight against weight loss long after dieting has stopped. This translates into a sobering reality: once we become fat, most of us, despite our best efforts, will probably stay fat.
 
2012-12-28 05:25:37 PM

lennavan: ltdanman44: physt: The sub-zero temperatures cause the fat cells to die. They are then flushed away by the body over the next few months.


How are they "flushed away"? How do they leave the body? This doesn't make sense.

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Does that macrophage have a face? It looks like it's barfing.


All macrophage have a face, in fact all cells and bacterium in the body have a face.  That's how macrophage, white blood cells and the like recognize and can target cells and virus that don't belong.

/am I the only one who paid attention in anatomy/biology?
 
2012-12-28 05:26:57 PM
I need one of those to wrap around my head.
 
2012-12-28 05:51:55 PM
Meh
I go here after hard workouts and long runs: Link
 
hh
2012-12-28 05:58:39 PM
Well, couldn't play the video of the Mars Rover beneath the article, so...disappoint.
 
2012-12-28 06:22:43 PM
www.lolroflmao.com
 
2012-12-28 06:25:56 PM

FizixJunkee: linky linky

Quoting:

For years, the advice to the overweight and obese has been that we simply need to eat less and exercise more. While there is truth to this guidance, it fails to take into account that the human body continues to fight against weight loss long after dieting has stopped. This translates into a sobering reality: once we become fat, most of us, despite our best efforts, will probably stay fat.


Thanks for that!

TL;DR: Your body gets used to a certain weight and once you change by dieting, it tries to go back to what is considered "normal" (even if "normal" is being a fatty fat fat).
 
2012-12-28 06:35:57 PM

Jster422: PonceAlyosha: ...I'm not a heterosexual, but does anyone actually believe the woman shown in the article actually needed to lose that weight, through surgery none the less?

I became aware of this process by overhearing two women discussing it in the gym. The woman who was going in for the procedure had decided to do so because it was the only way to eliminate that 'last little area that still had some fat', which was evidently (per her gesturing) a space of perhaps three square inches just above the hip.

This woman is the leanest person I have ever seen - that any 'medical professional' would go along with a procedure to eliminate the absolute last iota of any visible 'fat' from someone with such obvious body perception issues is ridiculous.


IMHO such a client should have to attend counseling. and if they persist in the surgery/procedure they should have to donate the same amount of $ for poor folk in need of an important cosmetic procedure. it seems excessive wealth and vanity go hand in hand.
 
2012-12-28 06:59:41 PM
For the record, the cellular waste is removed from the blood by the kidneys, and urine.

Hmmmmm....I urine for a latte now. Away I go!
 
2012-12-28 07:19:48 PM

Benjimin_Dover:
Then just like in liposuction procedures, the remaining fat cells just get bigger to make up for the loss is storage capacity. Instead of having 10,000 fat cells at 1 unit big, you end up with 5,000 that are 2 units big. The result is more lumps.


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2012-12-28 07:22:14 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Ika7734: My understanding of how this works:
1) They freeze the fat
2) The protoplasm in the fat cell expands as it freezes breaking the cell walls
3) The frozen cell innards thaw out and settle somewhere in a lower area.
4) The broken cells are then absorbed by other cells and/or kicked out as part of the cellular waste removal process.

The question is, since this works by contact with the skin, how does this procedure work on fat cells without affecting skin cells? This sounds like junk science at best; at worst, a high chance of getting severe frostbite.


Sounds like a great way to create a nasty abcess and or cancer.
 
2012-12-28 07:24:39 PM

tiamet4:
Sounds like a great way to create a nasty abcess and or cancer.


That'll thin you up good.

/unless it's one of those 350lb ovarian cysts
 
2012-12-28 07:37:45 PM
I work with a guy that had been huge for the longest time, and had only lost about 20 pounds here or there and gained it all back. Last year he started this diet run by some guy writing a book, and as unlikely as it sounds he went from 377 lbs to about 210 now. He'shiatting a plateau now but wants to drop below 200. If I didn't see it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it. Other people have tried his diet now and have lost a lot of weight, but they don't have the willpower he had and they give up after a week or so.

You basically start out eating nothing but potatoes, squash, beans, etc for breakfast and dinner, and at work he only eats lettuce dry. He can't work out because of the calorie restrictions, but tries to stay cold all the time to burn calories even when sitting behind his computer all day. Diet alone CAN turn a fatass into a regular guy in a year, but it takes more willpower than most people can summon. I'm glad I'm a skinny guy, I couldn't eat lettuce every lunch for a year. At his peak he was losing 5 pounds a week. Looks like a totally different person, and will probably be in that guy's book.
 
2012-12-28 07:50:00 PM

RicosRoughnecks: I work with a guy that had been huge for the longest time, and had only lost about 20 pounds here or there and gained it all back. Last year he started this diet run by some guy writing a book, and as unlikely as it sounds he went from 377 lbs to about 210 now. He'shiatting a plateau now but wants to drop below 200. If I didn't see it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it. Other people have tried his diet now and have lost a lot of weight, but they don't have the willpower he had and they give up after a week or so.

You basically start out eating nothing but potatoes, squash, beans, etc for breakfast and dinner, and at work he only eats lettuce dry. He can't work out because of the calorie restrictions, but tries to stay cold all the time to burn calories even when sitting behind his computer all day. Diet alone CAN turn a fatass into a regular guy in a year, but it takes more willpower than most people can summon. I'm glad I'm a skinny guy, I couldn't eat lettuce every lunch for a year. At his peak he was losing 5 pounds a week. Looks like a totally different person, and will probably be in that guy's book.


Eating potatoes to lose weight? Now I've heard everything.
 
2012-12-28 07:53:07 PM

RicosRoughnecks: ...He'shiatting a plateau now


Damn. Is that what the Brits mean by a "stone"? Sounds painful.
 
2012-12-28 09:56:37 PM
I'm too late for the thread, but "it's like the fat just walks away"

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2012-12-28 10:26:02 PM

meanmutton: SuburbanCowboy: Because Diet and exercise is just way too much right?

Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority.


OK, I looked at that study and it appears to say something significantly different than your claim. People who continue exercising, keep more weight off for one thing, it said. Also, it appears that once people lose weight via diet and exercise, they have to still maintain lower caloric intake and continue to exercise to keep weight off.

Well duh.
 
2012-12-28 10:49:02 PM

KrispyKritter: Jster422: PonceAlyosha: ...I'm not a heterosexual, but does anyone actually believe the woman shown in the article actually needed to lose that weight, through surgery none the less?

I became aware of this process by overhearing two women discussing it in the gym. The woman who was going in for the procedure had decided to do so because it was the only way to eliminate that 'last little area that still had some fat', which was evidently (per her gesturing) a space of perhaps three square inches just above the hip.

This woman is the leanest person I have ever seen - that any 'medical professional' would go along with a procedure to eliminate the absolute last iota of any visible 'fat' from someone with such obvious body perception issues is ridiculous.

IMHO such a client should have to attend counseling. and if they persist in the surgery/procedure they should have to donate the same amount of $ for poor folk in need of an important cosmetic procedure. it seems excessive wealth and vanity go hand in hand.


I've always thought we could just feed what we suction out of the fat people to the starving people.

Gutting out the middleman, if you will...
 
2012-12-29 12:08:07 AM

lennavan: Vector R: Well, I'm a regular gym person, and after a couple years of solid thrice-weekly going, it just won't give me a flat stomach.

That's more about diet than it is exercise. It's about getting your fat content below a certain percentage. You can get a flat stomach without any real exercise. But I mean, the diet sucks balls. Serious balls.


I got flat abs several years ago doing targeted ab excersizes (there]s a specific name for it which I now forget)
Anyways after that my knees started aching and my stomach started getting horrible cramps so I hat to quit and went back to having some central pudge. But man, that one year of flat abs was nice. It's excersizes like "invisible bike", "donkey kick" and "dead bug"(google them with abs) you want though. The only one I can still do it the full body stretch. You start out with your arms fully extended above your head and slowly lean over, extending the arms down your body as you go. You want to touch your feet without your knees bending, or better yet, put your palms under your feet.
 
2012-12-29 12:51:24 AM

meanmutton: SuburbanCowboy: Because Diet and exercise is just way too much right?

Science says that diet and exercise do not take off significant weight in the long term for the vast majority of people:

Link

What's interesting is that there's absolutely no scientific study to support the idea that diet and exercise will result in significant long-term weight loss among most people but for some reason, people spout the idea with some semblance of authority.


That is for obesity. Those people have psych issues.
 
2012-12-29 12:56:14 PM
Rosie O'Donnell last seen in cold storage.

That was three years ago ....
 
2012-12-29 02:23:51 PM
Reviews of the procedure

Just reading the first few reviews, it looks like it really isn't much better than lipo and might even be worse when it comes to pain, swelling, and recovery times. Pretty horrible tales. Like anything else, the more you get done at once, the worse it will be. The only good point is that there's no incision and no possibility of bleeding out, and thus the cost is lower. I likewise wonder about the possibility of skin damage or permanent nerve damage. I guess time will tell.
 
2012-12-29 04:55:56 PM

pag1107: TFA says it doesn't work for fatties, only for spot tone-ups.


Same goes for regular ol' liposuction.

When or if you get fat, where you get fat is genetic. Your shape (as opposed to its current size) is genetic. There are people who diet and exercise their way down to their ideal weight, but for whatever vain reasons just aren't happy with their final (thin) shape, because for them, region A is always going to be rounder than region B, say. If they starve to get rid of region A, region B is emaciated. Etc.

That's the original audience for liposuction, and as such it's not really different from any other kind of plastic surgery, it's about sculpting a shape.

FuryOfFirestorm: The question is, since this works by contact with the skin, how does this procedure work on fat cells without affecting skin cells? This sounds like junk science at best; at worst, a high chance of getting severe frostbite.


That's what I wonder too - how do you avoid a frostbitten ass? You definitely don't want to freeze your ass off in THAT way...
 
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