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(The Atlantic Wire)   Not one, but two anti-tank rocket launchers were turned into the LAPD during their gun buyback program this week, which must have made keeping the "no questions asked" part of the deal awfully hard for officers   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 196
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2012-12-28 11:14:12 AM

Loren:
If it's going to be changed how about some sanity about suppressors? A suppressor that simply takes the gun down below the hearing damage threshold should not be a regulated item! It's a sporting item, not a criminal's tool.


b b b b b b but the movies show them making almost no sound at all.... movies can't lie about these kind of things

:)
 
2012-12-28 11:16:24 AM

mbillips: Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.


That's a different, and much more sensible argument than the one I was responding to.

I'm not a gun-grabber; I'd like to see a data-driven approach to programs that work to, as a giant priority remove the guns from the criminal population FIRST. Figure out how to break the combination of lost, stolen, straw-purchased, and long-chain-private sales that put the guns into the hands of the majority of murderers, stick-up artists and other otherwise petty criminals. If we as a country can continue to drive down the violent crime rate and prove conclusively that criminals are no longer easily obtaining guns (yes this may make it more difficult for the rest of us, too) then people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

Meanwhile, actually do something about mental healthcare availability in this country. As long as we're charging "treat you for severe meningitis" money, out of pocket, for inpatient mental health care we're going to be dealing with violence from the mentally ill.

These mass shootings, while a small fraction of overall murders, are still something worth addressing. It will be difficult to address them piecemeal without looking at the root of the violent impulse.
 
2012-12-28 11:19:07 AM

mbillips:

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]


Ok, I'm usually pretty good at the "Spot the Difference" pictures.... I'm drawing a blank.....
 
2012-12-28 11:23:41 AM

Benjamin Orr: Loren:
If it's going to be changed how about some sanity about suppressors? A suppressor that simply takes the gun down below the hearing damage threshold should not be a regulated item! It's a sporting item, not a criminal's tool.

b b b b b b but the movies show them making almost no sound at all.... movies can't lie about these kind of things

:)


I was at a gun show recently with a few new-to-guns friends. They were hyperventilating at sight of several displays of suppressors.B..B..but they're illegal!!1. Oh yeah how I also love the ridiculous, overused "silenced gun sound" from Hollywood.
 
2012-12-28 11:26:31 AM

El Freak: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

Guns are built specifically to kill things. That's all they're for. Cars and baseball bats aren't.

I'm honestly on the fence about this issue, but this "HURR DURR OTHER THINGS KILL PEOPLE TOO!! LET'S BAN THEM HURR" talking point is unbelievably retarded.


You're wrong. Guns are made to transfer energy. I use my gun once or twice a month and it has never killed anyone or anything. Maybe mine is broke.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:49 AM

Great Janitor: bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?

The goal is to take weapons off the street to lower crime. Now, if I had a non-functioning firearm. It was real, but had no firing pin and the entire thing was welding together so it could not be taken apart and have a new firing pin put in, and I took this 'firearm' pointed it at you and demanded your wallet, does it make any difference to you that the gun isn't functional? All you see is me holding a gun to you and demanding your wallet.


That's the goal, but they're not achieving it. Nobody's turning in guns that they would use in a stickup. It's just a relative handful of people with guns they don't want.
 
2012-12-28 11:31:21 AM
kzconcepts.files.wordpress.com
They couldn't find any kids to show them how to use them.
 
2012-12-28 11:31:21 AM

kendelrio: mbillips:

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]

Ok, I'm usually pretty good at the "Spot the Difference" pictures.... I'm drawing a blank.....


One is an evil, Russian-made Saiga based on the oogah boogah AK-47 mechanism, listed by name on the ban list. The other is a true-blue, patriotic Ruger Mini-14, which is not on the ban list, and lacks the features that would cause it to be banned without being listed (pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, etc.). They're ballistically and mechanically almost identical in terms of function.

To be fair, the Ruger can't be sold with that 20-round mag in California, but you can sell it with a 10-round mag, as on the Saiga.
 
2012-12-28 11:34:09 AM

TheOther: Therion: Considering that those are non-reuseable empty plastic tubes that used to sell in surplus stores for under $100, getting $200 from morans who think they are dangerous weapons is a great deal.

Free Market in action.


That would be brilliant, see if it works for the first one, then go back and buy more at the local surplus store. One can only assume that the local shops ran out of waste rocket launcher tubes.
 
2012-12-28 11:34:24 AM

mbillips: kendelrio: mbillips:

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]

Ok, I'm usually pretty good at the "Spot the Difference" pictures.... I'm drawing a blank.....

One is an evil, Russian-made Saiga based on the oogah boogah AK-47 mechanism, listed by name on the ban list. The other is a true-blue, patriotic Ruger Mini-14, which is not on the ban list, and lacks the features that would cause it to be banned without being listed (pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, etc.). They're ballistically and mechanically almost identical in terms of function.

To be fair, the Ruger can't be sold with that 20-round mag in California, but you can sell it with a 10-round mag, as on the Saiga.


Ah! Plain as the nose on my face!

/I fail
//at life
///three slashie rule!
 
2012-12-28 11:38:31 AM
Hmm.. I wonder how well they check. thinkgeek.com sells a good replica of Malcom Reynold's gun from Firefly/Serenity
 
2012-12-28 11:40:48 AM
people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.
 
2012-12-28 11:42:06 AM

mbillips: Great Janitor: bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?

The goal is to take weapons off the street to lower crime. Now, if I had a non-functioning firearm. It was real, but had no firing pin and the entire thing was welding together so it could not be taken apart and have a new firing pin put in, and I took this 'firearm' pointed it at you and demanded your wallet, does it make any difference to you that the gun isn't functional? All you see is me holding a gun to you and demanding your wallet.

That's the goal, but they're not achieving it. Nobody's turning in guns that they would use in a stickup. It's just a relative handful of people with guns they don't want.


Which is really why programs like this aren't effective. If they buy back guns, any condition for a minimum amount, no questions asked, then yes I'll hand over fakes and non working models, get paid and that's the end of it.

If my goal was to sell a gun at a decent price, there are buyers out there that will buy it, also asking no questions. I don't know about California, but in Texas I can buy my neighbor's pistol just as easily as I can buy his computer from him.

If I was a criminal, I'm not going through a police gun by back. Take a weapon that was used in a crime, to the police and sell them the evidence that can convict me? I've never been to a gun buy back program, but I'd imagine that it would be similar to when you pawn something, show ID, get a receipt. I'm also guessing that they aren't just piled up for destruction, I'm sure they are investigated just on the off chance someone thought they could toss a murder weapon into a gun buy back program.
 
2012-12-28 11:43:38 AM

mbillips: This is illegal under California law:

This is legal:


Wacky stoners. They would ban a Mac with the same functionality as a PC, because it looked funny.
 
2012-12-28 11:50:25 AM

drewogatory: people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.


I knew one guy, he had seven rifles for hunting. He liked to go out hunting with friends and liked to have rifles that his friends could borrow. For home defense he had two hand guns and one pump action shot gun. The hand guns were kept in the living room and kitchen. If someone broke in he knew that if he couldn't get to one he could get to the other. The pump action was in the bedroom and for his wife to use. His instructions were simple: If someone breaks in, run to the bedroom and close the door. Grab the pump action and pump it. If the intruder does not leave upon hearing that pump sound, shoot. Don't worry about opening the door first, just fill that bastard with lead and wood. We can buy a new door.

Though, I do have to wonder, why is it scary for someone to have 10 hand guns, they at most only have two hands?
 
2012-12-28 11:50:27 AM

bump: re-right


re-right?
 
2012-12-28 11:50:39 AM
Cobra Effect was strong with this one.

/can I get $200 for my empty tube?
//this would be just so ridiculously finny if it were not going to cost another piece of the Constitution
 
2012-12-28 11:51:35 AM

Great Janitor: drewogatory: people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.

I knew one guy, he had seven rifles for hunting. He liked to go out hunting with friends and liked to have rifles that his friends could borrow. For home defense he had two hand guns and one pump action shot gun. The hand guns were kept in the living room and kitchen. If someone broke in he knew that if he couldn't get to one he could get to the other. The pump action was in the bedroom and for his wife to use. His instructions were simple: If someone breaks in, run to the bedroom and close the door. Grab the pump action and pump it. If the intruder does not leave upon hearing that pump sound, shoot. Don't worry about opening the door first, just fill that bastard with lead and wood. We can buy a new door.

Though, I do have to wonder, why is it scary for someone to have 10 hand guns, they at most only have two hands?


Use of your imagination is required.
 
2012-12-28 11:52:33 AM

bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?


Town beside me requires the guns to be operational http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20121221/NEWS02/312210116/New-A lbany-offers-gun-buyback
 
2012-12-28 11:54:15 AM
So, where does that put my brother?
TV spot described "the largest personal firearm collection in Texas"?

/we fire up a lot of sand
 
2012-12-28 11:54:23 AM

mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.

Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]


Saigas aren't banned by name in CA.  The version you show is banned due to its "evil feature" the flash hider.  They are sold in CA as featureless rifles, same as the Mini.

www.mississippiautoarms.com
 
2012-12-28 11:59:40 AM
It's a series of tubes
 
2012-12-28 12:04:05 PM

drewogatory: people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.


This. I own nearly two dozen hand guns, in these collector categories:

Soviet small arms: Nagant gas-seal revolver, Makarov, Tokarev TT-33

Iver Johnson pocket revolvers: Model 1900s in .22LR and .38 S&W, Automatic in .38 S&W, Hammerless Automatic in .32 S&W

Cowboy Action: .45LC Schofield replica, S&W 1878 Baby Russian (not a replica, mint in the original box), Remington .41 rimfire double derringer. Going to get a replica Colt 1872 Open Top to complete the set.

Guns I think are cool: 1918 Luger 9mm, 1930 commercial Mauser broomhandle, postwar P-38, M1911A1 Remington Rand/Essex, Inglis Browning Hi Power, Colt 1903 .32 Pocket Auto, Colt 1908 .25 Vest Pocket Auto, Colt 1908 .380 Pocket Auto, Walther PPK .32, Czech CZ-52 in 7.62X25.

Random black powder stuff: Colt 1851 replica, Lincoln derringer replica.

Self defense: S&W Model 38 Bodyguard in .38 Special.

Except for the Smith, these are all kept locked in steel gun safes. I don't NEED any of them, but I find them entertaining to look at and to occasionally take out to the range. I generally buy 1-2 a year, and occasionally sell one.

I own long guns that I have even less use for; I don't hunt. Four Soviet ones (Mosin-Nagants, an AK, an SKS), a cowboy action double-barrel shotgun, a 12-gauge pump, two Browning Autos in 16 and 20 gauge, a .22 Magnum squirrel rifle, a .22 boys' gun I used to teach my nephew to shoot. A broken .22 single-shot. A PPsh parts kit that needs a dummy receiver and some welding work. A wallhanger 1888 Mauser.

I really have way too many guns, but they've been a terrific investment. For instance, that SKS I bought in the '90s for $175, and it's worth about $500 now.
 
2012-12-28 12:10:07 PM

factoryconnection: mbillips: Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

That's a different, and much more sensible argument than the one I was responding to.

I'm not a gun-grabber; I'd like to see a data-driven approach to programs that work to, as a giant priority remove the guns from the criminal population FIRST. Figure out how to break the combination of lost, stolen, straw-purchased, and long-chain-private sales that put the guns into the hands of the majority of murderers, stick-up artists and other otherwise petty criminals. If we as a country can continue to drive down the violent crime rate and prove conclusively that criminals are no longer easily obtaining guns (yes this may make it more difficult for the rest of us, too) then people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

Meanwhile, actually do something about mental healthcare availability in this country. As long as we're charging "treat you for severe meningitis" money, out of pocket, for inpatient mental health care we're going to be dealing with violence from the mentally ill.

These mass shootings, while a small fraction of overall murders, are still something worth addressing. It will be difficult to address them piecemeal without looking at the root of the violent impulse.


You aren't going to eliminate the desire of people to own tons of guns. Humans are collectors. Guns are a consumer item with many variations. Thus you will always have a certain percent of the population fascinated with them and trying to buy one of every variation out there.

To think that guns are just for killing is silly. Guns are about showing off. They are for display. You could make an argument that you really only need one gun to shoot, but humans are not rational.

A gun collector is no different than a stamp collector or coin collector in terms of basic psychology. And you aren't going to alter the equation much by preventing guns from getting into the hands of criminals. All you'll accomplish is lowering the support for further gun control.

So if a goal is to eliminate gun collecting (as you indicated in your post), you need to start putting more guns in the hands of criminals and mentally unstable, not fewer guns.
 
2012-12-28 12:12:56 PM

washington-babylon: Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!

What part of "Single-use Launcher tube" was unclear? Next you will be suggesting we start "Buying Back" used condoms. Some things are only meant to be used once, then thrown away.

/Brain dead morons like you should not comment on that which you don't understand.
//"Even a fool seems wise if he is silent."


fap.
 
2012-12-28 12:14:36 PM

Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.

Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]

Saigas aren't banned by name in CA.  The version you show is banned due to its "evil feature" the flash hider.  They are sold in CA as featureless rifles, same as the Mini.

[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]


I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.
 
2012-12-28 12:27:59 PM

dittybopper: CygnusDarius: Spud gun.

Isn't that a KISS tune?


Deserves a bwa-hahahaha
 
2012-12-28 12:30:45 PM

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.

Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]

Saigas aren't banned by name in CA.  The version you show is banned due to its "evil feature" the flash hider.  They are sold in CA as featureless rifles, same as the Mini.

[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.


Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" are banned by name.  New rifle is the Russian American Armory Saiga 7.62x39.  Exact same rifle minus flash hider and AK furniture = legal.
 
2012-12-28 12:34:22 PM

TheNewJesus: Blah Blah Blah, everyone keeps barfing out the same old tag lines, meanwhile people are being shot and killed every day.

I don't know what the solution is. But change is imminent.

Their are a group of small minded people in this country that only care if it happens to them, everyone else can go fark themselves.

Those people are always wrong.


Speaking of small minded....

Are you willing to give up everyones privledge to drink alchohol in order to save a hundred thousand people from death and many more from abuse, molestation, assault and rape or are you willing to give up someone elses right yo keep and bear arms in order to keep 8000 people alive?
 
2012-12-28 12:37:07 PM

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...


Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."
 
2012-12-28 12:37:16 PM
My local news station said it was a granade launcher.
 
2012-12-28 12:37:42 PM
Wow, a "no questions asked" gun buyback program... sounds like a sanctioned way to fence stolen goods to me. The city should at least have to check if the guns are stolen and return them to their rightful owners if so.
 
2012-12-28 12:53:20 PM

fartacus: Wow, a "no questions asked" gun buyback program... sounds like a sanctioned way to fence stolen goods to me. The city should at least have to check if the guns are stolen and return them to their rightful owners if so.


Exit poll results indicate exactly that.
There is a no return policy.
 
2012-12-28 12:53:28 PM

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."


Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"
 
2012-12-28 12:54:28 PM
Quick, someone get David Gregory to wave one around on TV.
 
2012-12-28 12:55:56 PM
"I'll give ya the two we got but I'll have to talk to my contact if you want more."
blog.zap2it.com
 
2012-12-28 12:58:57 PM

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"


Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.
 
2012-12-28 01:00:44 PM
Since I can pick up a really cheap pistol for about $50 this seems like a money maker to me
 
2012-12-28 01:02:29 PM
Face it, there simply is no remote control solution to the mass killing Problem.
That is your Problem, eh? Not an inanimate object.
Fear is the product of the object and you will never escape your fear by avoiding "The Problem".
"The Problem" is people. There is a very fine profile of these killers.

The killings will continue until morale improves! Seriously.
Deal with the killings, not the politicians' con that will sell you a remote control that does nothing to "The Problem".
It is your duty to learn "Guns". Using them, sure, your personal choice.
 
2012-12-28 01:03:22 PM

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"

Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.


THAT we can agree on 100%

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

cdn2.armslist.com
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

world.guns.ru
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.
 
2012-12-28 01:03:55 PM
Doesn't any media outlet in the nation have anyone on staff who served in the military or who even attends gun shows? It would save them from embarrassing themselves like this.
 
2012-12-28 01:13:50 PM

bigwf2007: Doesn't any media outlet in the nation have anyone on staff who served in the military or who even attends gun shows? It would save them from embarrassing themselves like this.


Not any more. People at the top of the media chain tend to be from the Northeast upper crust, where gun ownership is considered eccentric if not downright subversive. I worked for a small-market daily newspaper where we had enough shooters to occasionally go to the range at lunch time, but you don't see that much at major metros.

Hardly anyone has any military experience in ANY workplace, let alone media companies. We're the 1 percent, you know.
 
2012-12-28 01:17:26 PM

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.


M-14 is misclassified as an assault rifle. It's a select-fire battle rifle, because of the conventional stock and the full-size cartridge.

I don't know anyone who ever fired an M-14 on full-auto. Considering how much it kicks normally, I'd hate to try it.
 
2012-12-28 01:17:40 PM
whatistheexcel.com
 
2012-12-28 01:24:12 PM

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.

M-14 is misclassified as an assault rifle. It's a select-fire battle rifle, because of the conventional stock and the full-size cartridge.

I don't know anyone who ever fired an M-14 on full-auto. Considering how much it kicks normally, I'd hate to try it.


So how would you classify a MK16 MOD 0?  Fires the same 7.62x54r but it has a pistol grip?  As far as I'm concerned select fire = "assault rifle" for most people.
 
2012-12-28 01:25:29 PM

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"

Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.

THAT we can agree on 100%

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.


The part of an assault rifle that scares the shiat out of me isn't the parts that you see, its the internals that you can't see that make it nothing more than a human mower.
 
2012-12-28 01:27:56 PM

factoryconnection: Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions..

The above is true for cars only when you choose to operate them on public roads, and varies by state.

I have a "track car", bought without paying tax, title, registration, has no inspection or collision insurance. No license plates either. I can even "carry" my track car over public roads (in a trailer) and still be legal, and on private property anybody can drive it, with no minimum age or license.

Taxes, registration, inspections and the like only apply in the case of use on public property.
 
2012-12-28 01:29:11 PM

Alphakronik: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"

Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.

THAT we can agree on 100%

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.

The part of an assault rifle that scares the shiat out of me isn't the parts that you see, its the internals that you can't see that make it nothing more than a human mower.


Right, and they are already banned.
 
2012-12-28 01:32:48 PM

ChicagoKev: factoryconnection: Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions..
The above is true for cars only when you choose to operate them on public roads, and varies by state.

I have a "track car", bought without paying tax, title, registration, has no inspection or collision insurance. No license plates either. I can even "carry" my track car over public roads (in a trailer) and still be legal, and on private property anybody can drive it, with no minimum age or license.

Taxes, registration, inspections and the like only apply in the case of use on public property.


Alot of my vehicles/trucks/trailers/loaders have farm tags, covered by my farm insurance.

I can drive out to a maximum of 25 miles on public roads....and my fuel is tax free.
 
2012-12-28 01:46:19 PM

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


Actually, the first pic is a reasonably good shot of an AT4 and clearly shows that it's nothing more than the metal tube that cannot be reused and is not live.

Non-story, but I do love how they italicized the "military grade rocket launcher" part in the first paragraph to generate false outrage. Someone should tell them that it's actually standard practice to have every Basic Trainee fire one - twice - during basic training. Or at least it was when I was in. Seriously, blowing up tanks, even if on a range, is some seriously fun shiat.
 
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