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(The Atlantic Wire)   Not one, but two anti-tank rocket launchers were turned into the LAPD during their gun buyback program this week, which must have made keeping the "no questions asked" part of the deal awfully hard for officers   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 196
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2012-12-28 10:09:09 AM

F22raptom: you can make a rocket launcher at home.


This. As a kid I used to make the rockets out of an Estes model rocket kit and a shoulder fired launcher out of a section of PVC pipe. Even added a pistol grip/trigger assembly and optics to it.

Of course, without any type of guidance system the thing was horribly inaccurate. Only things I ever managed to hit were my moms car and the neighbors cow.

/cow was fine
//annoyed, but fine
 
2012-12-28 10:09:36 AM

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


Exactly, in my teens, my buddy had the kind on the right in the picture. A one-off disposable tube that has no use after being discarded. Looks cool when you're 14, but just takes up space after that. This really is a non-news event.
 
2012-12-28 10:12:03 AM

CygnusDarius: Spud gun.


That WOULD be the coolest mod ever. Turn one of those into a spud gun and scare the holy farking shiat out of people when it goes off...
 
2012-12-28 10:16:18 AM

netcentric: They paid $200 for non-reusable discarded fiberglass tubes ... ?


LAPD.............suckers!


Step 1: Make "discarded" tube - http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-RPG-7-prop/
Step 2: Turn in to LAPD
Step 3: Profit
Step 4: Repeat, no questions asked :D
 
2012-12-28 10:20:48 AM

Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.
 
2012-12-28 10:21:51 AM

chasd00: You know, I'm no fan of gun control at all (own several, including an omgscary AR-15) but if folks were really serious about it they'd ban ammunition sales to anyone except people licensed to purchase ammunition. Then make the license impossibly expensive and complicated to get.

/justsaying


Except then people would make their own.

How much does a Lee Loader cost these days?
 
2012-12-28 10:25:13 AM

Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!


It seems you have missed a very important point: These empty tubes can not be reloaded. There are no rockets available, even to the military. They come preloaded and once fired are trash.
 
2012-12-28 10:26:41 AM

Badafuco: piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket

We're talking about the retards in LAPD, they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.


Sure they do. A shadow would make that hole black. They know black.
 
2012-12-28 10:29:30 AM
Steal a bunch of guns, sell for Wal-Mart gift cards. Murder somebody with one of the guns, turn it in the be crushed. Brilliant!
 
2012-12-28 10:29:39 AM

Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.


Yes, *BUT* the police accept anything at these buybacks no questions asked, so your actual risk is pretty minimal. They do that because otherwise no one would actually turn in any guns. You can claim ignorance, that you found it tossed into your back yard, and you wanted to get it off the streets.

It would be an SBR but I doubt you'd be prosecuted. If word got out that they were prosecuting people who turned in guns, no one would turn them in anymore.
 
2012-12-28 10:31:03 AM
In the picture it's an At-4, those are fire and forget weapons. You can also tell its already been fired. Camp Pendelton is right down the road. No surprise some LA Marine took home a fired off AT-4 as a souvenir. This is much ado about nothing. Liberals either 1) being stupid and not knowing squat about weapons or 2) liberals trying to scare people with hyped up useless weapons. The
 
2012-12-28 10:31:15 AM
It's a tactical nuclear warhead.
Don't ask me where I got it, just give me $40 for it or I'm walking out of here with it.
 
2012-12-28 10:32:11 AM

bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.


2/10. I don't think the Second Amendment mentions Class III destructive devices.

Not that those launcher tubes qualify.
 
2012-12-28 10:33:22 AM
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1. Assemble PVC plumbing parts
2. Add a scary camo paintjob
3. Profit
 
2012-12-28 10:33:53 AM

probesport: Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!

Because bullets and rockets are the same thing.


These are fire and forget weapons, you cannot reload them. You can't do it. You can use them as a mortar tube if you want but they can't be used as an anti tank rocket anymore.
 
2012-12-28 10:34:25 AM
Blah Blah Blah, everyone keeps barfing out the same old tag lines, meanwhile people are being shot and killed every day.

I don't know what the solution is. But change is imminent.

Their are a group of small minded people in this country that only care if it happens to them, everyone else can go fark themselves.

Those people are always wrong.
 
2012-12-28 10:35:53 AM
Pffffffffft. This is nothing. My friend in TN tells me that one of his neighbours has a Triple-A piece sitting on his front lawn.
 
2012-12-28 10:36:02 AM

Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!


What part of "Single-use Launcher tube" was unclear? Next you will be suggesting we start "Buying Back" used condoms. Some things are only meant to be used once, then thrown away.

/Brain dead morons like you should not comment on that which you don't understand.
//"Even a fool seems wise if he is silent."
 
2012-12-28 10:37:29 AM

UtileDysfunktion: Giltric: So someone turned in a LAW or AT4 tube?

Thats almost as scary as a 3 foot section of PVC pipe with a bayonet lug.

A BAYONET LUG!!! [shudder]


/always wanted the grenade launcher attachment for an M1 (dummy grenade, of course)
//yes, I know you can get them
///no where to try it (they frown upon that sort of thing at the range)


If you buy a Lee-Enfield No. 1 MkIII, buy the cup style Grenade launcher and some blanks you can launch tennis balls and pop cans really far.
 
2012-12-28 10:38:29 AM
I'm honestly surprised at the give less money for a weapon that's worth more than they give program.

It's certainly lasting longer than Obama's old give 5,000 credit for a car program which resulted in a guy I know turning in his "worth 1,000 total" car and making a 4,000 dollar profit as a result.
 
2012-12-28 10:38:34 AM

Giltric: So someone turned in a LAW or AT4 tube?

Looking at the pictures it would be a LAW and a AT4.

There is a tiny possibility that the AT4 is a practice tube that shoots 9mm or 20mm tracers...

 
2012-12-28 10:40:11 AM

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


Ah, your image doesn't make sense. Car's are controlled. You need a license, pass several tests, registration, inspection, yearly taxes/fees, and insurance.

If you want to apply car style regulation and controls to guns, I don't think you'll get any complaints form liberals.
 
2012-12-28 10:40:17 AM
Rest tight LA, useless tubes have been taken off the street.
 
2012-12-28 10:41:21 AM
I can drive 10 - 15 minutes from my house to an active military bombing/firing range and find any number of spent LAW's and rocket launchers....hell, I can pick up LIVE bombs, rockets and grenades as well....can I take those to be turned in "no questions asked"?
 
2012-12-28 10:41:36 AM
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2012-12-28 10:41:43 AM

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


Yes, and speed limiting also saves gas. Also, no one needs a car that can accelerate faster than my mom's '96 Ford Aspire either. To improve fuel efficiency and safety, only lightweight, low power vehicles should be street legal for non commercial use. Commercial permits should be expensive enough to push most freight back onto rails where they belong.
 
2012-12-28 10:41:56 AM

Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.


Yerp. Like my broomhandle Mauser with the holster stock. Disassembled, it's a pistol and a bulky wooden holster. Assembled, it's a felony.

/If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.

//I think I could actually write legislation that would distinguish between functionally more-dangerous weapons (semi-autos, .50 BMG rifles, etc.) and "civilian" hunting and self-defense weapons. But it would require mass confiscation to have any effect, and gun makers would find loopholes. Seriously, try defining what's a good ammo and what's a bad ammo in terms of public safety. You'd have to make some arbitrary call on foot-pounds at the muzzle, and getting into armor-piercing definitions, fugeddaboudit.
 
2012-12-28 10:42:26 AM

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


This.

If I was local I woudl look into making a mock-up.
 
2012-12-28 10:43:09 AM

cwolf20: I'm honestly surprised at the give less money for a weapon that's worth more than they give program.

It's certainly lasting longer than Obama's old give 5,000 credit for a car program which resulted in a guy I know turning in his "worth 1,000 total" car and making a 4,000 dollar profit as a result.



It's all good for the economy.

With the $200 you save in groceries, you'll be able to buy a brand new gun that actually works - and some ammo.

Thanks LAPD!
 
2012-12-28 10:46:55 AM

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


Guns are built specifically to kill things. That's all they're for. Cars and baseball bats aren't.

I'm honestly on the fence about this issue, but this "HURR DURR OTHER THINGS KILL PEOPLE TOO!! LET'S BAN THEM HURR" talking point is unbelievably retarded.
 
2012-12-28 10:46:59 AM
RPG launchers in downtown LA? Did anyone account for the whereabouts of D-FENS?

t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-28 10:47:15 AM
Since that Sandy Hook stuff happened prices of AR-15s have shot up more than triple on them.

So anywhere from $1600-$3000 for a $500-$900 gun... but the LAPD will give you $200 for one.
I'm no rocket surgeon, but I think I would just sell mine to anyone else if I were considering getting rid of it.
 
2012-12-28 10:49:33 AM

duffblue: Steal a bunch of guns, sell for Wal-Mart gift cards. Murder somebody with one of the guns, turn it in the be crushed. Brilliant!


Aw shucks, I could have done that for Christmas money.
 
2012-12-28 10:50:11 AM

Antimatter: Ah, your image doesn't make sense. Car's are controlled. You need a license, pass several tests, registration, inspection, yearly taxes/fees, and insurance.

If you want to apply car style regulation and controls to guns, I don't think you'll get any complaints form liberals


Only if you are driving them on public roads.

mbillips: Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.

Yerp. Like my broomhandle Mauser with the holster stock. Disassembled, it's a pistol and a bulky wooden holster. Assembled, it's a felony.

/If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.

//I think I could actually write legislation that would distinguish between functionally more-dangerous weapons (semi-autos, .50 BMG rifles, etc.) and "civilian" hunting and self-defense weapons. But it would require mass confiscation to have any effect, and gun makers would find loopholes. Seriously, try defining what's a good ammo and what's a bad ammo in terms of public safety. You'd have to make some arbitrary call on foot-pounds at the muzzle, and getting into armor-piercing definitions, fugeddaboudit.


Or just maybe we could stop wasting time on what is used in a tiny amount of gun crime and start doing soemthing about people getting weapons illegally.

Make it acrime not to report a lost/stolen gun in a certain amount of time. Make everybody who purchases a gun have to go through a background check and keep records of who buys what somewhere.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:05 AM
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Fine job there, LAPD.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:20 AM

mbillips: Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.

Yerp. Like my broomhandle Mauser with the holster stock. Disassembled, it's a pistol and a bulky wooden holster. Assembled, it's a felony.

/If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.

//I think I could actually write legislation that would distinguish between functionally more-dangerous weapons (semi-autos, .50 BMG rifles, etc.) and "civilian" hunting and self-defense weapons. But it would require mass confiscation to have any effect, and gun makers would find loopholes. Seriously, try defining what's a good ammo and what's a bad ammo in terms of public safety. You'd have to make some arbitrary call on foot-pounds at the muzzle, and getting into armor-piercing definitions, fugeddaboudit.


There are also a few converted sub machine guns that would fall under this. I saw an old eastern block on that had it's stock permanently folded, because if it was functional it would be a SBR and thus require a stamp.

Even trying to define weapons as dangerous or not is difficult. For example, is a .223 AR15 clone done up like a M4, with a 30 would mad and folding stock the same thing as a .223 Ar clone with a 5 round mag, fixed stock, long barrel, and scope?

How about a .22lr variant of a AR-15 versus a 10/22? Both are semi autos with high capacity magazine options. How about a M1A in .308 versus a mini-14 in .223? Similar guns all around.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:44 AM
TSA confiscated a spent rocket launcher the week before Christmas.

Just "souvenirs" from the sands of Iraq and mountains of Afghanistan.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:10 AM

Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.


Hey, it's 'no questions asked'. Ask long as I make it into the station without anyone seeing it.

Plus I already have one of these babies:
home.comcast.net
Antique firearms FTW!
Bastard police ain't getting my Mauser though.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:33 AM

liam76: Antimatter: Ah, your image doesn't make sense. Car's are controlled. You need a license, pass several tests, registration, inspection, yearly taxes/fees, and insurance.

If you want to apply car style regulation and controls to guns, I don't think you'll get any complaints form liberals

Only if you are driving them on public roads.


Which is where the main accidents tend to occur, at least seems to be the point of his picture.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:17 AM

bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?


You can still rob  graocery store with a starter pistol
 
2012-12-28 10:59:23 AM

factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.


Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

pm.b5z.net

This is legal:

www.huntingriflesreviews.com
 
2012-12-28 10:59:40 AM

Magorn: bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?

You can still rob  graocery store with a starter pistol


Or a pellet gun... or a prop... or a pointy stick
 
2012-12-28 11:00:32 AM

werty789: Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!

It seems you have missed a very important point: These empty tubes can not be reloaded. There are no rockets available, even to the military. They come preloaded and once fired are trash.


Actually, no, I didn't miss that point at all. That kinda WAS my point.
To clarify, it was said that the tubes are useless without the actual projectile, which are very hard to come across. Some of them can be reused, but that is only a few times. So, what's the big deal if people have them?
 
2012-12-28 11:02:01 AM

BumpInTheNight: [c.cslacker.com image 815x678]


Ok I've seen this a few times..what the hell is it? A missionary WAY out of his depth or what?
 
2012-12-28 11:03:38 AM
And to whomever that person was that called me a moran for pointing this out, I know this is Fark and all, but really, you can smoke a turd.
 
2012-12-28 11:03:43 AM

bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?


The goal is to take weapons off the street to lower crime. Now, if I had a non-functioning firearm. It was real, but had no firing pin and the entire thing was welding together so it could not be taken apart and have a new firing pin put in, and I took this 'firearm' pointed it at you and demanded your wallet, does it make any difference to you that the gun isn't functional? All you see is me holding a gun to you and demanding your wallet.
 
2012-12-28 11:08:18 AM
Anyone who believes that this is truly no-questions-asked and the people that turned these in aren't being farking waterboarded right now is an idiot.
 
2012-12-28 11:09:04 AM

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


The article also doesn't say anything about a bird in the tube. Agreed, empties.

RickN99: FTA: 75 assault weapons and two anti-tank rocket launchers were traded in for supermarket gift cards

Since those 75 assault weapons were probably all media-defined "assault weapons" and not actual "assault weapons", I'm assuming these rocket launchers were something less than actual rocket launchers.


The launchers look real. It's just they are nothing but a disposable tube that directs the backblast of the first stage motor away from the operator. Without a rocket in them they're nothing but a decoration.

mbillips: /If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.


If it's going to be changed how about some sanity about suppressors? A suppressor that simply takes the gun down below the hearing damage threshold should not be a regulated item! It's a sporting item, not a criminal's tool.
 
2012-12-28 11:12:38 AM

President Merkin Muffley: Anyone who believes that this is truly no-questions-asked and the people that turned these in aren't being farking waterboarded right now is an idiot.


Anybody who believes that these actually had rockets in the tubes is an idiot.
 
2012-12-28 11:13:40 AM
Growing up my friend had a old used LAW tube that we used when we would invade the neighborhood. It was also good at launching bottle rockets.
 
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