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(The Atlantic Wire)   Not one, but two anti-tank rocket launchers were turned into the LAPD during their gun buyback program this week, which must have made keeping the "no questions asked" part of the deal awfully hard for officers   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 196
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2012-12-28 09:35:50 AM  
Bruce Cockburn unavailable for comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vCww3j2-w
 
2012-12-28 09:39:35 AM  
Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.
 
2012-12-28 09:40:50 AM  
Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket
 
2012-12-28 09:41:50 AM  
$200 sounds a bit low for a launcher -- but I guess these were probably useless without the actual missiles / rounds. Probably discards somebody found / stole after a military exercise.
 
2012-12-28 09:42:52 AM  
So the local PD can promise a no questions asked situation, but are the people turning this stuff in protected from the federal government/ATF?
 
2012-12-28 09:43:19 AM  
Considering that those are non-reuseable empty plastic tubes that used to sell in surplus stores for under $100, getting $200 from morans who think they are dangerous weapons is a great deal.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:21 AM  

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


This.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:28 AM  

Arkanaut: $200 sounds a bit low for a launcher -- but I guess these were probably useless without the actual missiles / rounds.


Yeah, they might make Chris Rock's "bullet control" price of $5,000 per bullet look low.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:41 AM  
you can make a rocket launcher at home.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:50 AM  
I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:59 AM  

bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.


Didn't know it leaned to the left.

Unless you meant rewritten...
 
2012-12-28 09:44:02 AM  
So someone turned in a LAW or AT4 tube?

Thats almost as scary as a 3 foot section of PVC pipe with a bayonet lug.
 
2012-12-28 09:44:31 AM  

bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.


2/10. "right" was a nice touch.
 
2012-12-28 09:45:28 AM  
We had one of each o those wall hangers in my Jr ROTC classroom in highschool.
 
2012-12-28 09:46:58 AM  

bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.


And no that's not a typo. The constitiution has "fallen over" and needs to be re-righted!  Hmmm but then that would make the above comment anti-2nd amendment. Man, I have some soul-searching to do.
 
2012-12-28 09:47:02 AM  
c.cslacker.com
 
2012-12-28 09:47:28 AM  

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


We're talking about the retards in LAPD, they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
 
2012-12-28 09:47:40 AM  

Therion: Considering that those are non-reuseable empty plastic tubes that used to sell in surplus stores for under $100, getting $200 from morans who think they are dangerous weapons is a great deal.


Free Market in action.
 
2012-12-28 09:48:17 AM  

Giltric: So someone turned in a LAW or AT4 tube?

Thats almost as scary as a 3 foot section of PVC pipe with a bayonet lug.


Yep.
 
2012-12-28 09:48:45 AM  

bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.


6/10 - should get some bites. I like the phrase "re-right" too.
 
2012-12-28 09:48:50 AM  
I bet they movie props.
 
2012-12-28 09:49:05 AM  

durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.


You can still bludgeon someone with it
 
2012-12-28 09:49:50 AM  
FTA: 75 assault weapons and two anti-tank rocket launchers were traded in for supermarket gift cards

Since those 75 assault weapons were probably all media-defined "assault weapons" and not actual "assault weapons", I'm assuming these rocket launchers were something less than actual rocket launchers.
 
2012-12-28 09:49:53 AM  

Abox: bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.

And no that's not a typo. The constitiution has "fallen over" and needs to be re-righted!  Hmmm but then that would make the above comment anti-2nd amendment. Man, I have some soul-searching to do.


Go watch some football, jack off, yell America fark yeah! and you will have righted your soul.
 
2012-12-28 09:50:47 AM  
Didn't it come out that the anti tank one was just a trainer model that fires a 9mm tracer round?
 
2012-12-28 09:51:32 AM  

F22raptom: you can make a rocket launcher at home.


Then apparently sell it in LA for $200.

/off to Home Depot
 
GBB
2012-12-28 09:51:44 AM  
Wonder what they would give me for one of these?

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-28 09:51:48 AM  
They paid $200 for non-reusable discarded fiberglass tubes ... ?


LAPD.............suckers!
 
2012-12-28 09:51:57 AM  

durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.


Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!
 
2012-12-28 09:52:43 AM  
Spud gun.
 
2012-12-28 09:54:35 AM  
Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?
 
2012-12-28 09:55:30 AM  
When will we finally wake up and make it illegal for people to own those, huh? Oh wait...

And yeah, probably just discarded tubes. Those gun buyback programs are usually kind of a joke.
 
2012-12-28 09:56:04 AM  

Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!


Because bullets and rockets are the same thing.
 
2012-12-28 09:56:58 AM  
img855.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-28 09:57:44 AM  

CygnusDarius: Spud gun.


Isn't that a KISS tune?
 
2012-12-28 09:58:12 AM  
i3.ytimg.com

/hotlink
 
2012-12-28 09:59:33 AM  
so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?
 
2012-12-28 10:00:35 AM  
I could go to the local military surplus store and get those for less than $200. Dude probably had them hanging on his wall in his garage to look cool and figured the LAPD would pay him $400 for the two of them...
 
2012-12-28 10:00:42 AM  

Giltric: So someone turned in a LAW or AT4 tube?

Thats almost as scary as a 3 foot section of PVC pipe with a bayonet lug.


A BAYONET LUG!!! [shudder]


/always wanted the grenade launcher attachment for an M1 (dummy grenade, of course)
//yes, I know you can get them
///no where to try it (they frown upon that sort of thing at the range)
 
2012-12-28 10:01:50 AM  

MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?


No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.
 
2012-12-28 10:01:54 AM  

Therion: Considering that those are non-reuseable empty plastic tubes that used to sell in surplus stores for under $100, getting $200 from morans who think they are dangerous weapons is a great deal.


They are reusable. Some of your more budget-minded armies around the world reload M-72s once or twice before scrapping them. It's not like you can just go out and buy a case of rounds though.
 
2012-12-28 10:02:26 AM  
you can buy those at army/navy surplus stores just about anywhere
 
2012-12-28 10:04:26 AM  

Rozinante: Therion: Considering that those are non-reuseable empty plastic tubes that used to sell in surplus stores for under $100, getting $200 from morans who think they are dangerous weapons is a great deal.

They are reusable. Some of your more budget-minded armies around the world reload M-72s once or twice before scrapping them. It's not like you can just go out and buy a case of rounds though.


You know, I'm no fan of gun control at all (own several, including an omgscary AR-15) but if folks were really serious about it they'd ban ammunition sales to anyone except people licensed to purchase ammunition. Then make the license impossibly expensive and complicated to get.

/justsaying
 
2012-12-28 10:04:30 AM  
Excuse me guys, I'm heading to the military surplus store and looking to see what junk i can find to turn in to the LAPD buyback for my $200.

See you guys in the next thread!
 
2012-12-28 10:05:34 AM  

bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.


oddly enough, that's already been done, you can't own whatever weapons you want... arms was already found to not be an all-inclusive term... don't believe me, go try to buy a rocket launcher, RPG, or full-auto machine gun in a legal manner... it's nigh impossible, even if you go through the rigamarole with the ATF to get a class 3, you're unlikely to find much of anything... but good luck continuing the myth, I love how the first amendment gives you tardcakes the right to out yourself in second amendment threads.
 
2012-12-28 10:05:50 AM  
i1253.photobucket.com
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.
 
2012-12-28 10:06:39 AM  

St_Francis_P: Bruce Cockburn unavailable for comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vCww3j2-w


He'd make somebody pay!

Mr. COCKBURN...do you think, perhaps, you're holding that rocket launcher a bit low?
 
2012-12-28 10:07:12 AM  

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


Exactly what I was thinking
 
2012-12-28 10:07:51 AM  

Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.


"No Questions Asked", no records kept, remember? I wouldn't risk it for the $, but YMMV!
 
2012-12-28 10:08:45 AM  
I see I've been beaten to the punch on pointing out that rocket launchers without the actual rockets are only about 50$ in value new and are significantly less dangerous than a cardboard tube once used.

This is kinda like a used auto dealer applying the minimum 2000$ buyback price to someone that brought in a single, punctured tire. Funny, but also stupid.
 
2012-12-28 10:09:09 AM  

F22raptom: you can make a rocket launcher at home.


This. As a kid I used to make the rockets out of an Estes model rocket kit and a shoulder fired launcher out of a section of PVC pipe. Even added a pistol grip/trigger assembly and optics to it.

Of course, without any type of guidance system the thing was horribly inaccurate. Only things I ever managed to hit were my moms car and the neighbors cow.

/cow was fine
//annoyed, but fine
 
2012-12-28 10:09:36 AM  

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


Exactly, in my teens, my buddy had the kind on the right in the picture. A one-off disposable tube that has no use after being discarded. Looks cool when you're 14, but just takes up space after that. This really is a non-news event.
 
2012-12-28 10:12:03 AM  

CygnusDarius: Spud gun.


That WOULD be the coolest mod ever. Turn one of those into a spud gun and scare the holy farking shiat out of people when it goes off...
 
2012-12-28 10:16:18 AM  

netcentric: They paid $200 for non-reusable discarded fiberglass tubes ... ?


LAPD.............suckers!


Step 1: Make "discarded" tube - http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-RPG-7-prop/
Step 2: Turn in to LAPD
Step 3: Profit
Step 4: Repeat, no questions asked :D
 
2012-12-28 10:20:48 AM  

Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.
 
2012-12-28 10:21:51 AM  

chasd00: You know, I'm no fan of gun control at all (own several, including an omgscary AR-15) but if folks were really serious about it they'd ban ammunition sales to anyone except people licensed to purchase ammunition. Then make the license impossibly expensive and complicated to get.

/justsaying


Except then people would make their own.

How much does a Lee Loader cost these days?
 
2012-12-28 10:25:13 AM  

Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!


It seems you have missed a very important point: These empty tubes can not be reloaded. There are no rockets available, even to the military. They come preloaded and once fired are trash.
 
2012-12-28 10:26:41 AM  

Badafuco: piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket

We're talking about the retards in LAPD, they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.


Sure they do. A shadow would make that hole black. They know black.
 
2012-12-28 10:29:30 AM  
Steal a bunch of guns, sell for Wal-Mart gift cards. Murder somebody with one of the guns, turn it in the be crushed. Brilliant!
 
2012-12-28 10:29:39 AM  

Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.


Yes, *BUT* the police accept anything at these buybacks no questions asked, so your actual risk is pretty minimal. They do that because otherwise no one would actually turn in any guns. You can claim ignorance, that you found it tossed into your back yard, and you wanted to get it off the streets.

It would be an SBR but I doubt you'd be prosecuted. If word got out that they were prosecuting people who turned in guns, no one would turn them in anymore.
 
2012-12-28 10:31:03 AM  
In the picture it's an At-4, those are fire and forget weapons. You can also tell its already been fired. Camp Pendelton is right down the road. No surprise some LA Marine took home a fired off AT-4 as a souvenir. This is much ado about nothing. Liberals either 1) being stupid and not knowing squat about weapons or 2) liberals trying to scare people with hyped up useless weapons. The
 
2012-12-28 10:31:15 AM  
It's a tactical nuclear warhead.
Don't ask me where I got it, just give me $40 for it or I'm walking out of here with it.
 
2012-12-28 10:32:11 AM  

bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.


2/10. I don't think the Second Amendment mentions Class III destructive devices.

Not that those launcher tubes qualify.
 
2012-12-28 10:33:22 AM  
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1. Assemble PVC plumbing parts
2. Add a scary camo paintjob
3. Profit
 
2012-12-28 10:33:53 AM  

probesport: Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!

Because bullets and rockets are the same thing.


These are fire and forget weapons, you cannot reload them. You can't do it. You can use them as a mortar tube if you want but they can't be used as an anti tank rocket anymore.
 
2012-12-28 10:34:25 AM  
Blah Blah Blah, everyone keeps barfing out the same old tag lines, meanwhile people are being shot and killed every day.

I don't know what the solution is. But change is imminent.

Their are a group of small minded people in this country that only care if it happens to them, everyone else can go fark themselves.

Those people are always wrong.
 
2012-12-28 10:35:53 AM  
Pffffffffft. This is nothing. My friend in TN tells me that one of his neighbours has a Triple-A piece sitting on his front lawn.
 
2012-12-28 10:36:02 AM  

Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!


What part of "Single-use Launcher tube" was unclear? Next you will be suggesting we start "Buying Back" used condoms. Some things are only meant to be used once, then thrown away.

/Brain dead morons like you should not comment on that which you don't understand.
//"Even a fool seems wise if he is silent."
 
2012-12-28 10:37:29 AM  

UtileDysfunktion: Giltric: So someone turned in a LAW or AT4 tube?

Thats almost as scary as a 3 foot section of PVC pipe with a bayonet lug.

A BAYONET LUG!!! [shudder]


/always wanted the grenade launcher attachment for an M1 (dummy grenade, of course)
//yes, I know you can get them
///no where to try it (they frown upon that sort of thing at the range)


If you buy a Lee-Enfield No. 1 MkIII, buy the cup style Grenade launcher and some blanks you can launch tennis balls and pop cans really far.
 
2012-12-28 10:38:29 AM  
I'm honestly surprised at the give less money for a weapon that's worth more than they give program.

It's certainly lasting longer than Obama's old give 5,000 credit for a car program which resulted in a guy I know turning in his "worth 1,000 total" car and making a 4,000 dollar profit as a result.
 
2012-12-28 10:38:34 AM  

Giltric: So someone turned in a LAW or AT4 tube?

Looking at the pictures it would be a LAW and a AT4.

There is a tiny possibility that the AT4 is a practice tube that shoots 9mm or 20mm tracers...

 
2012-12-28 10:40:11 AM  

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


Ah, your image doesn't make sense. Car's are controlled. You need a license, pass several tests, registration, inspection, yearly taxes/fees, and insurance.

If you want to apply car style regulation and controls to guns, I don't think you'll get any complaints form liberals.
 
2012-12-28 10:40:17 AM  
Rest tight LA, useless tubes have been taken off the street.
 
2012-12-28 10:41:21 AM  
I can drive 10 - 15 minutes from my house to an active military bombing/firing range and find any number of spent LAW's and rocket launchers....hell, I can pick up LIVE bombs, rockets and grenades as well....can I take those to be turned in "no questions asked"?
 
2012-12-28 10:41:36 AM  
media.screened.com
 
2012-12-28 10:41:43 AM  

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


Yes, and speed limiting also saves gas. Also, no one needs a car that can accelerate faster than my mom's '96 Ford Aspire either. To improve fuel efficiency and safety, only lightweight, low power vehicles should be street legal for non commercial use. Commercial permits should be expensive enough to push most freight back onto rails where they belong.
 
2012-12-28 10:41:56 AM  

Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.


Yerp. Like my broomhandle Mauser with the holster stock. Disassembled, it's a pistol and a bulky wooden holster. Assembled, it's a felony.

/If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.

//I think I could actually write legislation that would distinguish between functionally more-dangerous weapons (semi-autos, .50 BMG rifles, etc.) and "civilian" hunting and self-defense weapons. But it would require mass confiscation to have any effect, and gun makers would find loopholes. Seriously, try defining what's a good ammo and what's a bad ammo in terms of public safety. You'd have to make some arbitrary call on foot-pounds at the muzzle, and getting into armor-piercing definitions, fugeddaboudit.
 
2012-12-28 10:42:26 AM  

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


This.

If I was local I woudl look into making a mock-up.
 
2012-12-28 10:43:09 AM  

cwolf20: I'm honestly surprised at the give less money for a weapon that's worth more than they give program.

It's certainly lasting longer than Obama's old give 5,000 credit for a car program which resulted in a guy I know turning in his "worth 1,000 total" car and making a 4,000 dollar profit as a result.



It's all good for the economy.

With the $200 you save in groceries, you'll be able to buy a brand new gun that actually works - and some ammo.

Thanks LAPD!
 
2012-12-28 10:46:55 AM  

Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


Guns are built specifically to kill things. That's all they're for. Cars and baseball bats aren't.

I'm honestly on the fence about this issue, but this "HURR DURR OTHER THINGS KILL PEOPLE TOO!! LET'S BAN THEM HURR" talking point is unbelievably retarded.
 
2012-12-28 10:46:59 AM  
RPG launchers in downtown LA? Did anyone account for the whereabouts of D-FENS?

t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-28 10:47:15 AM  
Since that Sandy Hook stuff happened prices of AR-15s have shot up more than triple on them.

So anywhere from $1600-$3000 for a $500-$900 gun... but the LAPD will give you $200 for one.
I'm no rocket surgeon, but I think I would just sell mine to anyone else if I were considering getting rid of it.
 
2012-12-28 10:49:33 AM  

duffblue: Steal a bunch of guns, sell for Wal-Mart gift cards. Murder somebody with one of the guns, turn it in the be crushed. Brilliant!


Aw shucks, I could have done that for Christmas money.
 
2012-12-28 10:50:11 AM  

Antimatter: Ah, your image doesn't make sense. Car's are controlled. You need a license, pass several tests, registration, inspection, yearly taxes/fees, and insurance.

If you want to apply car style regulation and controls to guns, I don't think you'll get any complaints form liberals


Only if you are driving them on public roads.

mbillips: Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.

Yerp. Like my broomhandle Mauser with the holster stock. Disassembled, it's a pistol and a bulky wooden holster. Assembled, it's a felony.

/If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.

//I think I could actually write legislation that would distinguish between functionally more-dangerous weapons (semi-autos, .50 BMG rifles, etc.) and "civilian" hunting and self-defense weapons. But it would require mass confiscation to have any effect, and gun makers would find loopholes. Seriously, try defining what's a good ammo and what's a bad ammo in terms of public safety. You'd have to make some arbitrary call on foot-pounds at the muzzle, and getting into armor-piercing definitions, fugeddaboudit.


Or just maybe we could stop wasting time on what is used in a tiny amount of gun crime and start doing soemthing about people getting weapons illegally.

Make it acrime not to report a lost/stolen gun in a certain amount of time. Make everybody who purchases a gun have to go through a background check and keep records of who buys what somewhere.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:05 AM  
i1277.photobucket.com
Fine job there, LAPD.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:20 AM  

mbillips: Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.

Yerp. Like my broomhandle Mauser with the holster stock. Disassembled, it's a pistol and a bulky wooden holster. Assembled, it's a felony.

/If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.

//I think I could actually write legislation that would distinguish between functionally more-dangerous weapons (semi-autos, .50 BMG rifles, etc.) and "civilian" hunting and self-defense weapons. But it would require mass confiscation to have any effect, and gun makers would find loopholes. Seriously, try defining what's a good ammo and what's a bad ammo in terms of public safety. You'd have to make some arbitrary call on foot-pounds at the muzzle, and getting into armor-piercing definitions, fugeddaboudit.


There are also a few converted sub machine guns that would fall under this. I saw an old eastern block on that had it's stock permanently folded, because if it was functional it would be a SBR and thus require a stamp.

Even trying to define weapons as dangerous or not is difficult. For example, is a .223 AR15 clone done up like a M4, with a 30 would mad and folding stock the same thing as a .223 Ar clone with a 5 round mag, fixed stock, long barrel, and scope?

How about a .22lr variant of a AR-15 versus a 10/22? Both are semi autos with high capacity magazine options. How about a M1A in .308 versus a mini-14 in .223? Similar guns all around.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:44 AM  
TSA confiscated a spent rocket launcher the week before Christmas.

Just "souvenirs" from the sands of Iraq and mountains of Afghanistan.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:10 AM  

Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.


Hey, it's 'no questions asked'. Ask long as I make it into the station without anyone seeing it.

Plus I already have one of these babies:
home.comcast.net
Antique firearms FTW!
Bastard police ain't getting my Mauser though.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:33 AM  

liam76: Antimatter: Ah, your image doesn't make sense. Car's are controlled. You need a license, pass several tests, registration, inspection, yearly taxes/fees, and insurance.

If you want to apply car style regulation and controls to guns, I don't think you'll get any complaints form liberals

Only if you are driving them on public roads.


Which is where the main accidents tend to occur, at least seems to be the point of his picture.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:17 AM  

bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?


You can still rob  graocery store with a starter pistol
 
2012-12-28 10:59:23 AM  

factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.


Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

pm.b5z.net

This is legal:

www.huntingriflesreviews.com
 
2012-12-28 10:59:40 AM  

Magorn: bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?

You can still rob  graocery store with a starter pistol


Or a pellet gun... or a prop... or a pointy stick
 
2012-12-28 11:00:32 AM  

werty789: Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!

It seems you have missed a very important point: These empty tubes can not be reloaded. There are no rockets available, even to the military. They come preloaded and once fired are trash.


Actually, no, I didn't miss that point at all. That kinda WAS my point.
To clarify, it was said that the tubes are useless without the actual projectile, which are very hard to come across. Some of them can be reused, but that is only a few times. So, what's the big deal if people have them?
 
2012-12-28 11:02:01 AM  

BumpInTheNight: [c.cslacker.com image 815x678]


Ok I've seen this a few times..what the hell is it? A missionary WAY out of his depth or what?
 
2012-12-28 11:03:38 AM  
And to whomever that person was that called me a moran for pointing this out, I know this is Fark and all, but really, you can smoke a turd.
 
2012-12-28 11:03:43 AM  

bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?


The goal is to take weapons off the street to lower crime. Now, if I had a non-functioning firearm. It was real, but had no firing pin and the entire thing was welding together so it could not be taken apart and have a new firing pin put in, and I took this 'firearm' pointed it at you and demanded your wallet, does it make any difference to you that the gun isn't functional? All you see is me holding a gun to you and demanding your wallet.
 
2012-12-28 11:08:18 AM  
Anyone who believes that this is truly no-questions-asked and the people that turned these in aren't being farking waterboarded right now is an idiot.
 
2012-12-28 11:09:04 AM  

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


The article also doesn't say anything about a bird in the tube. Agreed, empties.

RickN99: FTA: 75 assault weapons and two anti-tank rocket launchers were traded in for supermarket gift cards

Since those 75 assault weapons were probably all media-defined "assault weapons" and not actual "assault weapons", I'm assuming these rocket launchers were something less than actual rocket launchers.


The launchers look real. It's just they are nothing but a disposable tube that directs the backblast of the first stage motor away from the operator. Without a rocket in them they're nothing but a decoration.

mbillips: /If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.


If it's going to be changed how about some sanity about suppressors? A suppressor that simply takes the gun down below the hearing damage threshold should not be a regulated item! It's a sporting item, not a criminal's tool.
 
2012-12-28 11:12:38 AM  

President Merkin Muffley: Anyone who believes that this is truly no-questions-asked and the people that turned these in aren't being farking waterboarded right now is an idiot.


Anybody who believes that these actually had rockets in the tubes is an idiot.
 
2012-12-28 11:13:40 AM  
Growing up my friend had a old used LAW tube that we used when we would invade the neighborhood. It was also good at launching bottle rockets.
 
2012-12-28 11:14:12 AM  

Loren:
If it's going to be changed how about some sanity about suppressors? A suppressor that simply takes the gun down below the hearing damage threshold should not be a regulated item! It's a sporting item, not a criminal's tool.


b b b b b b but the movies show them making almost no sound at all.... movies can't lie about these kind of things

:)
 
2012-12-28 11:16:24 AM  

mbillips: Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.


That's a different, and much more sensible argument than the one I was responding to.

I'm not a gun-grabber; I'd like to see a data-driven approach to programs that work to, as a giant priority remove the guns from the criminal population FIRST. Figure out how to break the combination of lost, stolen, straw-purchased, and long-chain-private sales that put the guns into the hands of the majority of murderers, stick-up artists and other otherwise petty criminals. If we as a country can continue to drive down the violent crime rate and prove conclusively that criminals are no longer easily obtaining guns (yes this may make it more difficult for the rest of us, too) then people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

Meanwhile, actually do something about mental healthcare availability in this country. As long as we're charging "treat you for severe meningitis" money, out of pocket, for inpatient mental health care we're going to be dealing with violence from the mentally ill.

These mass shootings, while a small fraction of overall murders, are still something worth addressing. It will be difficult to address them piecemeal without looking at the root of the violent impulse.
 
2012-12-28 11:19:07 AM  

mbillips:

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]


Ok, I'm usually pretty good at the "Spot the Difference" pictures.... I'm drawing a blank.....
 
2012-12-28 11:23:41 AM  

Benjamin Orr: Loren:
If it's going to be changed how about some sanity about suppressors? A suppressor that simply takes the gun down below the hearing damage threshold should not be a regulated item! It's a sporting item, not a criminal's tool.

b b b b b b but the movies show them making almost no sound at all.... movies can't lie about these kind of things

:)


I was at a gun show recently with a few new-to-guns friends. They were hyperventilating at sight of several displays of suppressors.B..B..but they're illegal!!1. Oh yeah how I also love the ridiculous, overused "silenced gun sound" from Hollywood.
 
2012-12-28 11:26:31 AM  

El Freak: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

Guns are built specifically to kill things. That's all they're for. Cars and baseball bats aren't.

I'm honestly on the fence about this issue, but this "HURR DURR OTHER THINGS KILL PEOPLE TOO!! LET'S BAN THEM HURR" talking point is unbelievably retarded.


You're wrong. Guns are made to transfer energy. I use my gun once or twice a month and it has never killed anyone or anything. Maybe mine is broke.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:49 AM  

Great Janitor: bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?

The goal is to take weapons off the street to lower crime. Now, if I had a non-functioning firearm. It was real, but had no firing pin and the entire thing was welding together so it could not be taken apart and have a new firing pin put in, and I took this 'firearm' pointed it at you and demanded your wallet, does it make any difference to you that the gun isn't functional? All you see is me holding a gun to you and demanding your wallet.


That's the goal, but they're not achieving it. Nobody's turning in guns that they would use in a stickup. It's just a relative handful of people with guns they don't want.
 
2012-12-28 11:31:21 AM  
kzconcepts.files.wordpress.com
They couldn't find any kids to show them how to use them.
 
2012-12-28 11:31:21 AM  

kendelrio: mbillips:

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]

Ok, I'm usually pretty good at the "Spot the Difference" pictures.... I'm drawing a blank.....


One is an evil, Russian-made Saiga based on the oogah boogah AK-47 mechanism, listed by name on the ban list. The other is a true-blue, patriotic Ruger Mini-14, which is not on the ban list, and lacks the features that would cause it to be banned without being listed (pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, etc.). They're ballistically and mechanically almost identical in terms of function.

To be fair, the Ruger can't be sold with that 20-round mag in California, but you can sell it with a 10-round mag, as on the Saiga.
 
2012-12-28 11:34:09 AM  

TheOther: Therion: Considering that those are non-reuseable empty plastic tubes that used to sell in surplus stores for under $100, getting $200 from morans who think they are dangerous weapons is a great deal.

Free Market in action.


That would be brilliant, see if it works for the first one, then go back and buy more at the local surplus store. One can only assume that the local shops ran out of waste rocket launcher tubes.
 
2012-12-28 11:34:24 AM  

mbillips: kendelrio: mbillips:

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]

Ok, I'm usually pretty good at the "Spot the Difference" pictures.... I'm drawing a blank.....

One is an evil, Russian-made Saiga based on the oogah boogah AK-47 mechanism, listed by name on the ban list. The other is a true-blue, patriotic Ruger Mini-14, which is not on the ban list, and lacks the features that would cause it to be banned without being listed (pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, etc.). They're ballistically and mechanically almost identical in terms of function.

To be fair, the Ruger can't be sold with that 20-round mag in California, but you can sell it with a 10-round mag, as on the Saiga.


Ah! Plain as the nose on my face!

/I fail
//at life
///three slashie rule!
 
2012-12-28 11:38:31 AM  
Hmm.. I wonder how well they check. thinkgeek.com sells a good replica of Malcom Reynold's gun from Firefly/Serenity
 
2012-12-28 11:40:48 AM  
people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.
 
2012-12-28 11:42:06 AM  

mbillips: Great Janitor: bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?

The goal is to take weapons off the street to lower crime. Now, if I had a non-functioning firearm. It was real, but had no firing pin and the entire thing was welding together so it could not be taken apart and have a new firing pin put in, and I took this 'firearm' pointed it at you and demanded your wallet, does it make any difference to you that the gun isn't functional? All you see is me holding a gun to you and demanding your wallet.

That's the goal, but they're not achieving it. Nobody's turning in guns that they would use in a stickup. It's just a relative handful of people with guns they don't want.


Which is really why programs like this aren't effective. If they buy back guns, any condition for a minimum amount, no questions asked, then yes I'll hand over fakes and non working models, get paid and that's the end of it.

If my goal was to sell a gun at a decent price, there are buyers out there that will buy it, also asking no questions. I don't know about California, but in Texas I can buy my neighbor's pistol just as easily as I can buy his computer from him.

If I was a criminal, I'm not going through a police gun by back. Take a weapon that was used in a crime, to the police and sell them the evidence that can convict me? I've never been to a gun buy back program, but I'd imagine that it would be similar to when you pawn something, show ID, get a receipt. I'm also guessing that they aren't just piled up for destruction, I'm sure they are investigated just on the off chance someone thought they could toss a murder weapon into a gun buy back program.
 
2012-12-28 11:43:38 AM  

mbillips: This is illegal under California law:

This is legal:


Wacky stoners. They would ban a Mac with the same functionality as a PC, because it looked funny.
 
2012-12-28 11:50:25 AM  

drewogatory: people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.


I knew one guy, he had seven rifles for hunting. He liked to go out hunting with friends and liked to have rifles that his friends could borrow. For home defense he had two hand guns and one pump action shot gun. The hand guns were kept in the living room and kitchen. If someone broke in he knew that if he couldn't get to one he could get to the other. The pump action was in the bedroom and for his wife to use. His instructions were simple: If someone breaks in, run to the bedroom and close the door. Grab the pump action and pump it. If the intruder does not leave upon hearing that pump sound, shoot. Don't worry about opening the door first, just fill that bastard with lead and wood. We can buy a new door.

Though, I do have to wonder, why is it scary for someone to have 10 hand guns, they at most only have two hands?
 
2012-12-28 11:50:27 AM  

bump: re-right


re-right?
 
2012-12-28 11:50:39 AM  
Cobra Effect was strong with this one.

/can I get $200 for my empty tube?
//this would be just so ridiculously finny if it were not going to cost another piece of the Constitution
 
2012-12-28 11:51:35 AM  

Great Janitor: drewogatory: people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.

I knew one guy, he had seven rifles for hunting. He liked to go out hunting with friends and liked to have rifles that his friends could borrow. For home defense he had two hand guns and one pump action shot gun. The hand guns were kept in the living room and kitchen. If someone broke in he knew that if he couldn't get to one he could get to the other. The pump action was in the bedroom and for his wife to use. His instructions were simple: If someone breaks in, run to the bedroom and close the door. Grab the pump action and pump it. If the intruder does not leave upon hearing that pump sound, shoot. Don't worry about opening the door first, just fill that bastard with lead and wood. We can buy a new door.

Though, I do have to wonder, why is it scary for someone to have 10 hand guns, they at most only have two hands?


Use of your imagination is required.
 
2012-12-28 11:52:33 AM  

bluecrabscribe: Here's a question: Why is it that these buy-back programs never have a stipulation that the weapon be functional in order to qualify? I've seen stories of PDs buying back starter pistols. What gives?


Town beside me requires the guns to be operational http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20121221/NEWS02/312210116/New-A lbany-offers-gun-buyback
 
2012-12-28 11:54:15 AM  
So, where does that put my brother?
TV spot described "the largest personal firearm collection in Texas"?

/we fire up a lot of sand
 
2012-12-28 11:54:23 AM  

mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.

Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]


Saigas aren't banned by name in CA.  The version you show is banned due to its "evil feature" the flash hider.  They are sold in CA as featureless rifles, same as the Mini.

www.mississippiautoarms.com
 
2012-12-28 11:59:40 AM  
It's a series of tubes
 
2012-12-28 12:04:05 PM  

drewogatory: people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.


This. I own nearly two dozen hand guns, in these collector categories:

Soviet small arms: Nagant gas-seal revolver, Makarov, Tokarev TT-33

Iver Johnson pocket revolvers: Model 1900s in .22LR and .38 S&W, Automatic in .38 S&W, Hammerless Automatic in .32 S&W

Cowboy Action: .45LC Schofield replica, S&W 1878 Baby Russian (not a replica, mint in the original box), Remington .41 rimfire double derringer. Going to get a replica Colt 1872 Open Top to complete the set.

Guns I think are cool: 1918 Luger 9mm, 1930 commercial Mauser broomhandle, postwar P-38, M1911A1 Remington Rand/Essex, Inglis Browning Hi Power, Colt 1903 .32 Pocket Auto, Colt 1908 .25 Vest Pocket Auto, Colt 1908 .380 Pocket Auto, Walther PPK .32, Czech CZ-52 in 7.62X25.

Random black powder stuff: Colt 1851 replica, Lincoln derringer replica.

Self defense: S&W Model 38 Bodyguard in .38 Special.

Except for the Smith, these are all kept locked in steel gun safes. I don't NEED any of them, but I find them entertaining to look at and to occasionally take out to the range. I generally buy 1-2 a year, and occasionally sell one.

I own long guns that I have even less use for; I don't hunt. Four Soviet ones (Mosin-Nagants, an AK, an SKS), a cowboy action double-barrel shotgun, a 12-gauge pump, two Browning Autos in 16 and 20 gauge, a .22 Magnum squirrel rifle, a .22 boys' gun I used to teach my nephew to shoot. A broken .22 single-shot. A PPsh parts kit that needs a dummy receiver and some welding work. A wallhanger 1888 Mauser.

I really have way too many guns, but they've been a terrific investment. For instance, that SKS I bought in the '90s for $175, and it's worth about $500 now.
 
2012-12-28 12:10:07 PM  

factoryconnection: mbillips: Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

That's a different, and much more sensible argument than the one I was responding to.

I'm not a gun-grabber; I'd like to see a data-driven approach to programs that work to, as a giant priority remove the guns from the criminal population FIRST. Figure out how to break the combination of lost, stolen, straw-purchased, and long-chain-private sales that put the guns into the hands of the majority of murderers, stick-up artists and other otherwise petty criminals. If we as a country can continue to drive down the violent crime rate and prove conclusively that criminals are no longer easily obtaining guns (yes this may make it more difficult for the rest of us, too) then people will start listening to the idea that maybe they don't need 10 handguns in their home.

Meanwhile, actually do something about mental healthcare availability in this country. As long as we're charging "treat you for severe meningitis" money, out of pocket, for inpatient mental health care we're going to be dealing with violence from the mentally ill.

These mass shootings, while a small fraction of overall murders, are still something worth addressing. It will be difficult to address them piecemeal without looking at the root of the violent impulse.


You aren't going to eliminate the desire of people to own tons of guns. Humans are collectors. Guns are a consumer item with many variations. Thus you will always have a certain percent of the population fascinated with them and trying to buy one of every variation out there.

To think that guns are just for killing is silly. Guns are about showing off. They are for display. You could make an argument that you really only need one gun to shoot, but humans are not rational.

A gun collector is no different than a stamp collector or coin collector in terms of basic psychology. And you aren't going to alter the equation much by preventing guns from getting into the hands of criminals. All you'll accomplish is lowering the support for further gun control.

So if a goal is to eliminate gun collecting (as you indicated in your post), you need to start putting more guns in the hands of criminals and mentally unstable, not fewer guns.
 
2012-12-28 12:12:56 PM  

washington-babylon: Pin Fiften Clob: durbnpoisn: I thought it was pretty well established in the thread a couple of days ago that a rocket launcher pretty munch consists of a tube with a trigger. It's not the slightest bit dangerous without an actual rocket propelled grenade to fire from it. And I haven't seen that anyone turned in one of those.

Without bullets guns aren't particularly dangerous either. Maybe LAPD should be doing a bullet buyback program!

What part of "Single-use Launcher tube" was unclear? Next you will be suggesting we start "Buying Back" used condoms. Some things are only meant to be used once, then thrown away.

/Brain dead morons like you should not comment on that which you don't understand.
//"Even a fool seems wise if he is silent."


fap.
 
2012-12-28 12:14:36 PM  

Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.

Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]

Saigas aren't banned by name in CA.  The version you show is banned due to its "evil feature" the flash hider.  They are sold in CA as featureless rifles, same as the Mini.

[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]


I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.
 
2012-12-28 12:27:59 PM  

dittybopper: CygnusDarius: Spud gun.

Isn't that a KISS tune?


Deserves a bwa-hahahaha
 
2012-12-28 12:30:45 PM  

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.

Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

[pm.b5z.net image 500x104]

This is legal:

[www.huntingriflesreviews.com image 525x425]

Saigas aren't banned by name in CA.  The version you show is banned due to its "evil feature" the flash hider.  They are sold in CA as featureless rifles, same as the Mini.

[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.


Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" are banned by name.  New rifle is the Russian American Armory Saiga 7.62x39.  Exact same rifle minus flash hider and AK furniture = legal.
 
2012-12-28 12:34:22 PM  

TheNewJesus: Blah Blah Blah, everyone keeps barfing out the same old tag lines, meanwhile people are being shot and killed every day.

I don't know what the solution is. But change is imminent.

Their are a group of small minded people in this country that only care if it happens to them, everyone else can go fark themselves.

Those people are always wrong.


Speaking of small minded....

Are you willing to give up everyones privledge to drink alchohol in order to save a hundred thousand people from death and many more from abuse, molestation, assault and rape or are you willing to give up someone elses right yo keep and bear arms in order to keep 8000 people alive?
 
2012-12-28 12:37:07 PM  

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...


Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."
 
2012-12-28 12:37:16 PM  
My local news station said it was a granade launcher.
 
2012-12-28 12:37:42 PM  
Wow, a "no questions asked" gun buyback program... sounds like a sanctioned way to fence stolen goods to me. The city should at least have to check if the guns are stolen and return them to their rightful owners if so.
 
2012-12-28 12:53:20 PM  

fartacus: Wow, a "no questions asked" gun buyback program... sounds like a sanctioned way to fence stolen goods to me. The city should at least have to check if the guns are stolen and return them to their rightful owners if so.


Exit poll results indicate exactly that.
There is a no return policy.
 
2012-12-28 12:53:28 PM  

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."


Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"
 
2012-12-28 12:54:28 PM  
Quick, someone get David Gregory to wave one around on TV.
 
2012-12-28 12:55:56 PM  
"I'll give ya the two we got but I'll have to talk to my contact if you want more."
blog.zap2it.com
 
2012-12-28 12:58:57 PM  

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"


Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.
 
2012-12-28 01:00:44 PM  
Since I can pick up a really cheap pistol for about $50 this seems like a money maker to me
 
2012-12-28 01:02:29 PM  
Face it, there simply is no remote control solution to the mass killing Problem.
That is your Problem, eh? Not an inanimate object.
Fear is the product of the object and you will never escape your fear by avoiding "The Problem".
"The Problem" is people. There is a very fine profile of these killers.

The killings will continue until morale improves! Seriously.
Deal with the killings, not the politicians' con that will sell you a remote control that does nothing to "The Problem".
It is your duty to learn "Guns". Using them, sure, your personal choice.
 
2012-12-28 01:03:22 PM  

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"

Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.


THAT we can agree on 100%

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

cdn2.armslist.com
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

world.guns.ru
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.
 
2012-12-28 01:03:55 PM  
Doesn't any media outlet in the nation have anyone on staff who served in the military or who even attends gun shows? It would save them from embarrassing themselves like this.
 
2012-12-28 01:13:50 PM  

bigwf2007: Doesn't any media outlet in the nation have anyone on staff who served in the military or who even attends gun shows? It would save them from embarrassing themselves like this.


Not any more. People at the top of the media chain tend to be from the Northeast upper crust, where gun ownership is considered eccentric if not downright subversive. I worked for a small-market daily newspaper where we had enough shooters to occasionally go to the range at lunch time, but you don't see that much at major metros.

Hardly anyone has any military experience in ANY workplace, let alone media companies. We're the 1 percent, you know.
 
2012-12-28 01:17:26 PM  

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.


M-14 is misclassified as an assault rifle. It's a select-fire battle rifle, because of the conventional stock and the full-size cartridge.

I don't know anyone who ever fired an M-14 on full-auto. Considering how much it kicks normally, I'd hate to try it.
 
2012-12-28 01:17:40 PM  
whatistheexcel.com
 
2012-12-28 01:24:12 PM  

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.

M-14 is misclassified as an assault rifle. It's a select-fire battle rifle, because of the conventional stock and the full-size cartridge.

I don't know anyone who ever fired an M-14 on full-auto. Considering how much it kicks normally, I'd hate to try it.


So how would you classify a MK16 MOD 0?  Fires the same 7.62x54r but it has a pistol grip?  As far as I'm concerned select fire = "assault rifle" for most people.
 
2012-12-28 01:25:29 PM  

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"

Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.

THAT we can agree on 100%

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.


The part of an assault rifle that scares the shiat out of me isn't the parts that you see, its the internals that you can't see that make it nothing more than a human mower.
 
2012-12-28 01:27:56 PM  

factoryconnection: Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions..

The above is true for cars only when you choose to operate them on public roads, and varies by state.

I have a "track car", bought without paying tax, title, registration, has no inspection or collision insurance. No license plates either. I can even "carry" my track car over public roads (in a trailer) and still be legal, and on private property anybody can drive it, with no minimum age or license.

Taxes, registration, inspections and the like only apply in the case of use on public property.
 
2012-12-28 01:29:11 PM  

Alphakronik: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"

Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.

THAT we can agree on 100%

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.

The part of an assault rifle that scares the shiat out of me isn't the parts that you see, its the internals that you can't see that make it nothing more than a human mower.


Right, and they are already banned.
 
2012-12-28 01:32:48 PM  

ChicagoKev: factoryconnection: Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions..
The above is true for cars only when you choose to operate them on public roads, and varies by state.

I have a "track car", bought without paying tax, title, registration, has no inspection or collision insurance. No license plates either. I can even "carry" my track car over public roads (in a trailer) and still be legal, and on private property anybody can drive it, with no minimum age or license.

Taxes, registration, inspections and the like only apply in the case of use on public property.


Alot of my vehicles/trucks/trailers/loaders have farm tags, covered by my farm insurance.

I can drive out to a maximum of 25 miles on public roads....and my fuel is tax free.
 
2012-12-28 01:46:19 PM  

piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket


Actually, the first pic is a reasonably good shot of an AT4 and clearly shows that it's nothing more than the metal tube that cannot be reused and is not live.

Non-story, but I do love how they italicized the "military grade rocket launcher" part in the first paragraph to generate false outrage. Someone should tell them that it's actually standard practice to have every Basic Trainee fire one - twice - during basic training. Or at least it was when I was in. Seriously, blowing up tanks, even if on a range, is some seriously fun shiat.
 
2012-12-28 01:52:17 PM  
*Insert "Die Hard" reference here*
 
2012-12-28 01:52:51 PM  

bump: Like it or not, it is part of our 2nd amendment rights. Don't like it? ... be prepared to re-right the constitution.


whats not part of the second amendment?
Bill of Rights
Amendment II - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If we are talking about having the ability to stage a revolution against the government (for excessive taxation maybe) then tanks and rocket launchers probably fall within the guise of the Second Amendment, considering our current military.
/glad my neighbors don't have tanks and hope they don't have rocket launchers.
 
2012-12-28 01:57:07 PM  

Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

[cdn2.armslist.com image 640x240]
Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

[world.guns.ru image 650x142]
Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.

M-14 is misclassified as an assault rifle. It's a select-fire battle rifle, because of the conventional stock and the full-size cartridge.

I don't know anyone who ever fired an M-14 on full-auto. Considering how much it kicks normally, I'd hate to try it.

So how would you classify a MK16 MOD 0?  Fires the same 7.62x54r but it has a pistol grip?  As far as I'm concerned select fire = "assault rifle" for most people.


The original Sturmgewehr had a number of unique characteristics that every assault rifle since has had. Smaller cartridge, barrel in line with the stock (which makes the pistol grip mandatory), select-fire. An assault rifle combines the function of both an infantry rifle and a submachine gun by compromising on the cartridge.

When you go back up to a full-size rifle cartridge, the full auto becomes a lot less useful, because the recoil makes it too hard to control at full auto. Thus not really an assault rifle. A SAW based on the AR receiver isn't an assault rifle, either, even though it shoots the same cartridge as an M-4.
 
2012-12-28 01:58:17 PM  

Arkanaut: $200 sounds a bit low for a launcher -- but I guess these were probably useless without the actual missiles / rounds. Probably discards somebody found / stole after a military exercise.


I played GTA San Andres. Not only are there rocket launchers around the Jefferson part of Los Santos but $200 is about right for the trade in value.
 
2012-12-28 02:05:34 PM  

RickN99: FTA: 75 assault weapons and two anti-tank rocket launchers were traded in for supermarket gift cards

Since those 75 assault weapons were probably all media-defined "assault weapons" and not actual "assault weapons", I'm assuming these rocket launchers were something less than actual rocket launchers.


Yup, they were empty rocket launchers. And the Assault Weapons were California Defined Assault Weapons, meaning they had pistol grips and flash hiders/comps. No Bullet Button would make them illegal California Assault Weapons, but that was not stated in the article.
 
2012-12-28 02:06:02 PM  

jaybeezey: El Freak: Launch Code: [i1253.photobucket.com image 300x193]
If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

Guns are built specifically to kill things. That's all they're for. Cars and baseball bats aren't.

I'm honestly on the fence about this issue, but this "HURR DURR OTHER THINGS KILL PEOPLE TOO!! LET'S BAN THEM HURR" talking point is unbelievably retarded.

You're wrong. Guns are made to transfer energy. I use my gun once or twice a month and it has never killed anyone or anything. Maybe mine is broke.


Huh. My guns (I own three) are used specifically for personal protection. They have never killed a person. Not. Once. I do take them to the range because I strongly believe that if an individual owns a gun, then that individual is required to be able to hit what s/he is aiming at and only what s/he is aiming at (and I also believe that no gun should ever be drawn without the unshakable intent of obliterating whatever it is aimed at, therefore, drawing that weapon must be the very last resort available when every other option has been utterly exhausted because my life or the life of another is in absolute mortal peril and there is no other solution).

How interesting that people say that their intent is murder when, more correctly, guns - like any inanimate object - have no intent. The object is, in fact, subject to the intent of the individual wielding it.

You cite (not the individual I quoted, but someone they quoted) cars and baseball bats and say that they are not designed specifically to kill, but that it is the intent of the wielder that makes them instruments of murder. Why, then, do you not grant the same to guns, to swords, to knives? All are defensive as well as offensive, depending on the intent of the wielder. If a "thug" with a gun appears at your home, would you not wish for a similarly armed policeman to appear at your home and use his gun to defend you? I would never use my gun to murder, but I will most certainly use it in defense of anyone whose life is in imminent danger. Does that make me a "thug" with an instrument of murder... or does that make me a responsible individual who uses an inanimate object with the intent to protect and not to do harm?

It is not the object that is harmful or that has evil intent (objects are incapable of being evil or good - they just are). Those who intend evil will do evil, whether they have firearms or not. Before the invention of guns, I assure you, there were murders and evils aplenty. Pick up a history book and read for yourself.
 
2012-12-28 02:12:36 PM  
The guns don't have to work or actually be guns apparently, just have some gunish parts. So you could just take a few handgun parts put a pipe in for the barrel and cut a stock from plywood make it into an assault rifle looking thing for less than $100 and maybe an hours worth of work. Then get $200.
 
2012-12-28 02:37:21 PM  
Jokes on them, what they bought are nothing but useless metal tubes.  Those are disposable launchers, once the preloaded projectile has been fired they're useless.
 
2012-12-28 02:49:00 PM  
well a bit more modern than what I thought upon reading the headline. my Initial thought was they were Vietnam era LAW tubes brought back by someone's father or grandfather. not sure how old they are but the are newer than vietnam era.
 
2012-12-28 03:01:33 PM  
Meanwhile, delectable gun sales are going crazy right now! Take 100 of them off the street while thousands more are being purchased every week!!! More and more guns being sold every day, and there's nothing the whiny libs can do to stop it...though they feel better with gnashing of their teeth nom nom.
 
2012-12-28 03:02:46 PM  
What the fark is with people saying "Oh that's a rocketless launcher it's completely useless as a dangerous weapon."?

You wouldn't say that about an unloaded assault rifle. It's still a deadly weapon.
 
2012-12-28 03:03:36 PM  
Why has no one noticed, or have you just accepted, that the term "buy back" implies that the PD owned the guns in the first place?
 
2012-12-28 03:06:08 PM  

Asphyxium: What the fark is with people saying "Oh that's a rocketless launcher it's completely useless as a dangerous weapon."?

You wouldn't say that about an unloaded assault rifle. It's still a deadly weapon.


Actually an unloaded gun is either a paper weight or a club, but you can load it up and turn it into a weapon again. Not so much with these "launchers".

They write "zomg rocket launcher!!!" instead of "empty pvc pipe that used to actually hold a rocket". Its not like anybody could pop on down to the corner store and buy a new rocket to go along with the (single use) launcher.
 
2012-12-28 03:06:36 PM  

mbillips: M-14 is misclassified as an assault rifle. It's a select-fire battle rifle, because of the conventional stock and the full-size cartridge.

I don't know anyone who ever fired an M-14 on full-auto. Considering how much it kicks normally, I'd hate to try it.


I did once. Legal weapon in Nevada at a garbage dump. I had had quite of bit experience at the time as an instructor with lighter selective fire weapons. I was also big and strong. The target was a refrigerator door. 50 yards. First shot on target. Second shot at the top of the door (+30"). Third shot into outer space. Its basically unusable full auto and that's why the military had full auto as a armorer installed option and not in general use. The 7.62 Nato cartridge that the M14 uses  has basically the same recoil as the very successful .30 M1 BAR but with less than half the weight. Heating and the lack of an open bolt were other technical issues that made the M14 a poor full auto rife.

bigwf2007: Doesn't any media outlet in the nation have anyone on staff who served in the military or who even attends gun shows? It would save them from embarrassing themselves like this.


They are not normal humans and as such can not be embarrassed. They are not "journalists ". They are vultures and jackals that sell blood and fear. They have no conscience and there are no consequences for not getting it "right". Also, they do as they are told. If they contradict the official LAPD position they are denied access in the future.

Does anyone know the name of the grocery chain that donated the gift cards? Every article that I've read omits their name. I'd like to give them the publicity that they so richly deserve.
 
2012-12-28 03:22:55 PM  

Asphyxium: What the fark is with people saying "Oh that's a rocketless launcher it's completely useless as a dangerous weapon."?

You wouldn't say that about an unloaded assault rifle. It's still a deadly weapon.


They are useless after being fired. You just toss the launcher afterwards...there is no reloading them.
 
2012-12-28 03:24:19 PM  

smells_like_meat: Does anyone know the name of the grocery chain that donated the gift cards? Every article that I've read omits their name. I'd like to give them the publicity that they so richly deserve.


It's "Ralph's"...and my guess would be that they weren't donated but rather bought (or at least mostly-bought?) by L.A.
 
2012-12-28 03:26:11 PM  
From an LA newspaper article:

Weapons can be turned in; no questions asked. Handguns, rifles and shotguns can be exchanged for $100 Ralphs grocery store gift cards; assault weapons earn a $200 card.

So the store is Ralphs.
 
2012-12-28 03:30:36 PM  

stevarooni: It's "Ralph's"...and my guess would be that they weren't donated but rather bought (or at least mostly-bought?) by L.A.


From the same article.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said the program has been such a success that they may run out of the gift cards they are giving away. City leaders are now trying to raise more funds to keep the gun buyback going. About $130,000 was donated for Wednesday's events.

So its unclear. But I'd guess Ralphs since they were mentioned.
 
2012-12-28 03:36:39 PM  
Sounds like a great opportunity for an entrepreneurial gun dealer to sell his useless, broken gun junk at $50 as a "gun buyback special".
 
2012-12-28 03:37:05 PM  
The weapon shown in the pic is an M136 AT4 rocket launcher, but the yellow band indicates that it's an inert handling trainer. That tube never was loaded with a projectile, nor ever could be.
 
2012-12-28 03:38:13 PM  

Badafuco: piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket

We're talking about the retards in LAPD, they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.


Well, TFA pretty much admitted to this, so I think the article is more 'why the fark does someone have a  rocket launcher, even as a tube', a question they answered.

For modern journalism, this is a damn good article.
 
2012-12-28 03:40:17 PM  

kob_zilla: The weapon shown in the pic is an M136 AT4 rocket launcher, but the yellow band indicates that it's an inert handling trainer. That tube never was loaded with a projectile, nor ever could be.


Shut up and stop interrupting the fear mongering...
 
2012-12-28 03:46:30 PM  

netcentric: They paid $200 for non-reusable discarded fiberglass tubes ... ?


LAPD.............suckers!


And we have a winner.....

As has been mentioned.. LAW rocket tubes aren't made to be rearmed. They are one use and commonly sold at surplus stores as paperweightsuseless junk painted olive drab.

Now this on the other hand might be worth picking up......
cdn.paladin-press.com
http://www.paladin-press.com/product/Bazooka
 
2012-12-28 04:23:15 PM  

kendelrio: mbillips: kendelrio: mbillips:

This is illegal under California law:
This is legal:

One is an evil, Russian-made Saiga based on the oogah boogah AK-47 mechanism, listed by name on the ban list. The other is a true-blue, patriotic Ruger Mini-14, which is not on the ban list, and lacks the features that would cause it to be banned without being listed (pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, etc.). They're ballistically and mechanically almost identical in terms of function.

To be fair, the Ruger can't be sold with that 20-round mag in California, but you can sell it with a 10-round mag, as on the Saiga.

Ah! Plain as the nose on my face!


I feel the need to simplify this further.
1. the name is illegal in CA
2. the muzzle is illegal in CA unless you restrict the actuation of the magazine with a "bullet button"
a Bullet Button is a locking device that makes operation of the magazine latch impossible to actuate unless a tool, such as the tip of a bullet, is employed.
3. no firearm in CA may hold more than 10 rounds (unless you are one of the few who had a normal capacity magazine before they were banned.
 
2012-12-28 04:27:47 PM  
oops I was wrong about the name. Here, we have a flow chart...
www.riflegear.com
 
2012-12-28 05:12:43 PM  

Headso: Didn't it come out that the anti tank one was just a trainer model that fires a 9mm tracer round?


Wait! It's plastic and fires 9mm rounds? So, obviously they got another Glock off the street.
 
2012-12-28 06:17:52 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Jokes on them, what they bought are nothing but useless metal tubes.  Those are disposable launchers, once the preloaded projectile has been fired they're useless.


But it makes the pants-wetting hoplophobes feel safer that scary looking inert metal tubes are off the street.
 
2012-12-28 06:32:15 PM  

drewogatory: I'm not sure how this idea of all gun owners being hoarders (not that 10 is anywhere near a hoard) came from. I'd be willing to bet 90-something percent of folks that own handguns either only own one, or own one plus a .22 . And of the guys who do own a bunch, most of those guys are either serious collectors and only care about rare,unusual, antique, historically significant etc. guns, or some type of competition shooter who competes in different classes and runs their guns hard enough to break them.


Not really.

It's easy to pick up a decent collection of handguns without being a serious collector or a competitor, especially if you've got multiple shooters in the household or inherit weapons from family members.
 
2012-12-28 08:36:43 PM  

dittybopper: chasd00: You know, I'm no fan of gun control at all (own several, including an omgscary AR-15) but if folks were really serious about it they'd ban ammunition sales to anyone except people licensed to purchase ammunition. Then make the license impossibly expensive and complicated to get.

/justsaying

Except then people would make their own.

How much does a Lee Loader cost these days?


Useless without bullets, shell casings, gun powder, and primers.
 
2012-12-28 08:43:16 PM  

chevydeuce: I can drive 10 - 15 minutes from my house to an active military bombing/firing range and find any number of spent LAW's and rocket launchers....hell, I can pick up LIVE bombs, rockets and grenades as well....can I take those to be turned in "no questions asked"?


You would have to be a real idiot to even attempt to enter a bombing range.
 
2012-12-28 08:50:45 PM  

liam76: Antimatter: Ah, your image doesn't make sense. Car's are controlled. You need a license, pass several tests, registration, inspection, yearly taxes/fees, and insurance.

If you want to apply car style regulation and controls to guns, I don't think you'll get any complaints form liberals

Only if you are driving them on public roads.

mbillips: Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.

Yerp. Like my broomhandle Mauser with the holster stock. Disassembled, it's a pistol and a bulky wooden holster. Assembled, it's a felony.

/If you really wanted to do something about "assault weapons," you'd rewrite the NFA to make some damn sense. Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns when there are legal pistols that chamber the same ammo, or bullpups that are shorter than a sawed-off, is retarded.

//I think I could actually write legislation that would distinguish between functionally more-dangerous weapons (semi-autos, .50 BMG rifles, etc.) and "civilian" hunting and self-defense weapons. But it would require mass confiscation to have any effect, and gun makers would find loopholes. Seriously, try defining what's a good ammo and what's a bad ammo in terms of public safety. You'd have to make some arbitrary call on foot-pounds at the muzzle, and getting into armor-piercing definitions, fugeddaboudit.

Or just maybe we could stop wasting time on what is used in a tiny amount of gun crime and start doing soemthing about people getting weapons illegally.

Make it acrime not to report a lost/stolen gun in a certain amount of time. Make everybody who purchases a gun have to go through a background check and keep records of who buys what somewhere.


Because the gun grabbers want to ban and confiscate all privately owned firearms.
 
2012-12-28 08:52:13 PM  

danpanic77: piratetech: Notice they never show you a good picture of the front and back of the "rocket launcher". Maybe because then you would see that there is no rocket in them and what you have is the discarded metal tube that is not reusable to fire rockets out of and NOT a live ready to fire rocket

This.


They go on to say that the launchers had no projectiles.
 
2012-12-28 09:05:43 PM  

Asphyxium: You wouldn't say that about an unloaded assault rifle. It's still a deadly weapon.


It's obvious you've never served a day in your life or qualified with the weapon in question. Listen to the people who have.

It's not a deadly weapon. It's not a firearm. It's the casing from a spent round of ammunition. In other words, it's a scary looking paperweight. It's a single use item. The military throws them away after use for a reason - because they're farking scrap metal.

A rifle can be reloaded with commercially available ammunition. A Javelin or LAW tube is not reusable and, even if it were, the rockets are not commercially available.

Assuming you could find a legal source for an unfired Javelin or LAW, you could (subject to state law), own it provided it was registered as a destructive device with the BATFE. It would be expensive and involve a metric shiat-ton of paperwork, but it could be done in theory. (Possession or construction of an unregistered destructive device is a big-time felony.)

If you want to legally make things go boom, it's probably cheaper and easier to buy a couple of acres of land in the mountains and get a blasting permit to improve it. Yes, you can legally own and use high explosives (with the proper permits)
 
2012-12-28 09:07:32 PM  

Great Janitor: If I was a criminal, I'm not going through a police gun by back. Take a weapon that was used in a crime, to the police and sell them the evidence that can convict me? I've never been to a gun buy back program, but I'd imagine that it would be similar to when you pawn something, show ID, get a receipt. I'm also guessing that they aren't just piled up for destruction, I'm sure they are investigated just on the off chance someone thought they could toss a murder weapon into a gun buy back program.


They do not check your ID and the weapon gets destroyed. What better way to dispose of evidence than to have the police destroy it for you? These buy backs are not intended to reduce crime in the least bit. Why do you think they have an "anonymous, no-questions asked" policy?
 
2012-12-28 09:13:44 PM  

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.

1. Cars are just about the most regulated, controlled, registered, tracked, and licensed consumer product out there. We pay special taxes on their purchase, ownership, annual registration and tags, fueling, periodic operator's re-licensing, re-sale, and in many states annual inspections of safety and emissions. The government has acted boldly to limit injuries and deaths from auto accidents since the 60s, and a massive reduction in the death rate has resulted, from about 22 down to 1.2 per 100,000mi driven. And yet we still expand the mandatory safety equipment to greater airbag suites, vehicle stability control, rear-view cameras, and pedestrian crash protection. So if you're asking for guns to be controlled the same way, that would be a major change.

2. As mentioned in the article, California still has assault weapon legislation on the books that define the term for that state. So while you might like to pretend words have freely-assigned meanings, and that bat crime is anywhere near the menace that gun crime is, the rest of the country doesn't.

Yeah, but those terms are dumb, and include loopholes that a truck could drive through.

This is illegal under California law:

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This is legal:

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Saigas aren't banned by name in CA.  The version you show is banned due to its "evil feature" the flash hider.  They are sold in CA as featureless rifles, same as the Mini.

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I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.


It was ruled that you have to list specific models in there. Listing by series was deemed unconstitutional and vague.
 
2012-12-28 09:16:25 PM  

mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"

Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.


It's not a "loophole" the courts ruled on the AW ban and gave the AG a deadline to add any new models to the list. Any "by series" ban was deemed vague and invalid.
 
2012-12-28 09:20:14 PM  

Alphakronik: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: Snaps: mbillips: factoryconnection: Launch Code: If a thug/tard/jilted lover bashes in someone's skull with a baseball bat, that makes the bat an assault weapon. I blame Americas favorite pastime. All bats should be wiffel, lets get the teachers out there protesting MLB.


[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 500x165]

I beg to differ; the 2001 update to the law specifically lists Kalashnikov USA hunting rifles/Saigas. Check Page 58.

Not the same gun anymore.  Same way Off List Lowers are legal while tons and tons of "AR-15s" ar ...

Until they get around to listing it. The way the law reads, if it has an AK mechanism, it's gonna get banned. There's a general ban on "AK types."

Doesn't work that way, DOJ can't add new models to the list.

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/resources/faq.html?view=category&la yo ut=categorylist&task=lists&catid=4

Read "What is an Off-List receiver?"

Interesting. Considering there's a Democratic super-majority in both houses of California's legislature, I would not expect that loophole to hold up, though. Especially in the current air of hysteria.

THAT we can agree on 100%

Now just to confuse everyone a little more...

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Semi Auto Rifle - Legal

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Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.

The part of an assault rifle that scares the shiat out of me isn't the parts that you see, its the internals that you can't see that make it nothing more than a human mower.


It is damn near impossible to hit anything with a full auto. The full auto is only meant for throwing down suppressing fire, i.e. to keep the enemies head down. In fact the standard issue M-16 doesn't even have a selection for full auto, it only does single and 3-round burst.
 
2012-12-28 09:27:46 PM  

davidab: kendelrio: mbillips: kendelrio: mbillips:

This is illegal under California law:
This is legal:

One is an evil, Russian-made Saiga based on the oogah boogah AK-47 mechanism, listed by name on the ban list. The other is a true-blue, patriotic Ruger Mini-14, which is not on the ban list, and lacks the features that would cause it to be banned without being listed (pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, etc.). They're ballistically and mechanically almost identical in terms of function.

To be fair, the Ruger can't be sold with that 20-round mag in California, but you can sell it with a 10-round mag, as on the Saiga.

Ah! Plain as the nose on my face!


I feel the need to simplify this further.
1. the name is illegal in CA
2. the muzzle is illegal in CA unless you restrict the actuation of the magazine with a "bullet button"
a Bullet Button is a locking device that makes operation of the magazine latch impossible to actuate unless a tool, such as the tip of a bullet, is employed.
3. no firearm in CA may hold more than 10 rounds (unless you are one of the few many who had a normal capacity magazine before they were banned.


Fixed that for you. I can guarantee you that millions of standard capacity magazines were legally acquired in the months leading up to the CA AW ban.
 
2012-12-28 10:28:04 PM  

redhook: davidab: kendelrio: mbillips: kendelrio: mbillips:

3. no firearm in CA may hold more than 10 rounds (unless you are one of the few many who had a normal capacity magazine before they were banned.

Fixed that for you. I can guarantee you that millions of standard capacity magazines were legally acquired in the months leading up to the CA AW ban.


fair enough, but I dont know many who have them.
 
2012-12-29 01:23:57 AM  

Snaps: Oogey-Boogey scary assault rifle (it really is) NFA item, highly restricted.


Actually, an M14 would be properly be classified as a battle rifle - not an assault rifle. A battle rifle uses a high-power cartridge with an effective range of 600-1000 yards. An assault rifle uses an intermediate cartridge with an effective range of 200-300 yards.

Analysis of battle data showed that infantry rarely engaged targets beyond 300 yards with their rifles (heavy weapons were used instead), so anything more than that was overkill. Moving to a less powerful round allowed the infantryman to carry a lighter rifle and more ammunition for the same weight.
 
2012-12-29 02:00:58 AM  

Alphakronik: The part of an assault rifle that scares the shiat out of me isn't the parts that you see, its the internals that you can't see that make it nothing more than a human mower.


Your ignorance is showing.

1) A full-auto weapon is an NFA item. There is a limited pool of them available (no full-auto weapon made after 1996 can be transferred to a civilian), and it takes a metric ton of paperwork and about 6-9 months wait time for it to clear. Only one legally owned full auto weapon has ever been used in a crime, and the perpetrator of that crime was a cop.

2) Full auto is overrated. It's fun as hell on the range, and intimidating to be downrange of it, but it's almost completely useless in the real world. Even on a rifle like the M16/M4 which has minimal recoil it's still almost impossible to hit anything with it, which is why trained shooters almost never use it.

It just doesn't work the way it does on TV. There's plenty of real-world current combat footage on YouTube. Watch it and watch how often the riflemen use it (IE: not often). The only real use of full auto fire is suppressive fire -- shooting in the general direction of the enemy to force him to keep his head down so your teammates can move to a better position. Suppressive fire is pretty much pointless if you're on your own.

3) If someone is shooting at you with full auto, it's almost guaranteed they don't know what the fark they're doing. The shooter you need to fear is the one who squeezes off 2-3 aimed shots in as many seconds, then moves to a new position.

If someone is just blasting away all their shots are going to go over your head - a fact which has saved the lives of countless Soldiers and Marines in Afghanistan (The taliban loves to rock-and-roll, and they can't hit the broad side of a barn). If you ever are in that situation, be grateful they're using up all their ammo shooting clouds / ceiling tiles instead of you.
 
2012-12-29 02:13:54 AM  
I'm watching late, but just saw NBC repeat this story... on the evening news
 
2012-12-29 02:46:24 AM  

biglot: Pffffffffft. This is nothing. My friend in TN tells me that one of his neighbours has a Triple-A piece sitting on his front lawn.


yes, i'm familiar with it. it's not really triple-a its a quad-50 AA cannon from WWII. fires it once in awhile too but at $4/shot its more of a show piece than anything. designed for aircraft carrier use i think but mounted to a bofors trailer so its mobile. it would certainly tear the shiat out of a zero, should once choose to strafe his barn.
 
2012-12-29 03:11:11 AM  
gayscifinerds.co.uk

"I hope they got the Malibu Barbie Dreamhouse for that one"
 
2012-12-29 03:43:21 AM  

MythDragon: Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.

Hey, it's 'no questions asked'. Ask long as I make it into the station without anyone seeing it.

Plus I already have one of these babies:
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Antique firearms FTW!
Bastard police ain't getting my Mauser though.


Very nice. Original C96 with 7.63, clip loading?
 
2012-12-29 10:53:28 AM  

cynicalbastard: MythDragon: Giltric: MythDragon: so I can go buy a cheap hi point .380, for $130, make a stock out of scrap wood and bailing wire, and trade it in as an 'assault weapon' for $70 profit?

No you would wind up creating a short barelled rifle. A highly regulated NFA item. And would be arrested for tax evasion for not having a tax stamp.

Hey, it's 'no questions asked'. Ask long as I make it into the station without anyone seeing it.

Plus I already have one of these babies:
[home.comcast.net image 800x516]
Antique firearms FTW!
Bastard police ain't getting my Mauser though.

Very nice. Original C96 with 7.63, clip loading?


Yeah, though mine is a flat side.
 
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