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(National Review)   NRO writer Michael Barone, who predicted a Romney landslide: "If Mitt Romney had gotten 16% more popular votes, he would have led Obama by 4 million votes and won the popular vote 51 to 48 percent." Show's over folks. Romney's automatically president   (nationalreview.com) divider line 177
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2012-12-28 09:17:57 AM
And if he had got 40 per cent more votes, he could have been even further ahead. Darned speculative hindsight
 
2012-12-28 09:18:32 AM
BUT, not as far ahead had he got 50 per cent more.... etc.....
 
2012-12-28 09:19:09 AM
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
 
2012-12-28 09:27:51 AM
In reality, Obama's vote and percentage went down. Considering what happened in Bush's second term, that suggests a course of caution and wariness for the reelected president and his party.

Translation: Obama doesn't have a mandate of any nature, this win is essentially a loss, and he shouldn't get all uppity when dealing with Congressional Republicans.
 
2012-12-28 09:31:32 AM
And if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his arse a hoppin.

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2012-12-28 09:42:09 AM
If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened.
 
2012-12-28 09:47:44 AM
...and if the race was determined by the popular vote, we'd have a much better country and a lot less dead Americans right now.
 
2012-12-28 09:50:00 AM
ITA: Republicans finally realizing they aren't going to be President anytime soon.
 
2012-12-28 09:53:20 AM
So... "If Romney had gotten more votes he would have won."

How can I get into this line of work? Seems pretty easy.
 
2012-12-28 09:57:43 AM

kronicfeld: In reality, Obama's vote and percentage went down. Considering what happened in Bush's second term, that suggests a course of caution and wariness for the reelected president and his party.

Translation: Obama doesn't have a mandate of any nature, this win is essentially a loss, and he shouldn't get all uppity when dealing with Congressional Republicans.


Who, the article conveniently fails to mention, got less votes than their Democratic counterparties.
 
2012-12-28 10:01:30 AM
If we shift the whole nation into the Romney column by 4.7 points, Obama still would have won.
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2012-12-28 10:06:27 AM

Endrick: If we shift the whole nation into the Romney column by 4.7 points, Obama still would have won.
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Those are old numbers. Obama actually won CO by 5.4 points.
 
2012-12-28 10:11:17 AM
I'm guessing the subtext here is "if only we had had some kind of chart where anyone darker than a cafe latte was told 'Sorry, you don't vote' all would have been well."
 
2012-12-28 10:12:41 AM
And if I didn't care about the general welfare of the populace, I'd be a republican.

Please, tell me some other wonderful ideas and possibilities if reality agreed with your delusions
 
2012-12-28 10:53:53 AM

kronicfeld: In reality, Obama's vote and percentage went down. Considering what happened in Bush's second term, that suggests a course of caution and wariness for the reelected president and his party.

Translation: Obama doesn't have a mandate of any nature, this win is essentially a loss, and he shouldn't get all uppity when dealing with Congressional Republicans.


Well they have to say something. They can't use the "America was duped" line this time. Americans clearly knew exactly what happened in an Obama Presidency and intentionally gave him a second one. To admit that they are in the minority and people disagree with them is not something the GOP is capable of admitting. They literally cannot draw the conclusion that they lost because people don't like them.
 
2012-12-28 11:11:27 AM

colinspooky: And if he had got 40 per cent more votes, he could have been even further ahead. Darned speculative hindsight


you know, I read this article and I have no idea why it was written.
If the moon fell on your head, it would hurt. If the sun goes out, it will be cold.

WHAT was the point at all of this article?? Other than to point out that rmoney lost?
People voted against Bush?
Kind of like the people who were voting against Obama?
I guess the point might have been that voting for someone leads to better election results?
 
2012-12-28 11:17:14 AM
And yet, he didn't. Even with shennanigans at the polls. Even with all the folderol with tantrums looking for recounted counties, it still didn't give them enough ballot boxes stuffed to the brim. Not enough people voted for him. And that's the takeaway. Not enough folks thought he had a better plan for the nation, or was qualified to do more than run for office. He is very good at running for office. Not so great at winning said office.

And really, that was the point. To get out there, raise a crap load of money, and hand it out to folks in consulting fees, campaign positions, ads, boost book sales for other folks, generate ad revenue. This wasn't a campaign about winning, it was a campaign about skinning as many folks as possible for campaign contributions to hand out to buddies. For all the gnashing of teeth and sour grapes, I don't think ANYONE, Fox News included, really wanted to see Romney win this thing. Not the folks who got their cash, not the folks who spun story after story, not even Senators and Reps on the Republican side, because then the ball would be in their court, and the news cycle would be looking firmly at them to haul us out of the hole that they dug, and much as it pains folks to admit, they don't really have any idea how to get out. Because they simply didn't care enough to watch out for the inherent dangers of the policies that they advocated, and when they came home to roost, then they had to hand things over to Democrats to fix the mess--while wringing their hands, and still removing dollars from pockets from the rubes to "stay strong" despite the scary man from Hawaii winning.

This is less about party than it is a long con. And at this point, the outrage machine NEEDS Obama in office in order to extract cash from the faithful, who don't realize how badly they're being grifted.

This is what my former party has come to: a fairly obvious con in order to extract cash from outrage, and keep generating that outrage, and stoking it, as opposed to constructive policy. It isn't even a shadow of its former itself, it is simply a parody of a party structure at this point, and one that is predicated on looking like they're doing something, as opposed to doing anything remotely useful--because if something were to be accomplished, then the outrage would subside a bit, and the dollars into the machine would falter, and it is so predicated on reactionism coupled with jingoistic myth, that the model would collapse, and the industries founded upon this generation of outrage would have to shift to creating real policy, and reporting real news, and that is just too damn hard, when you've gotten used to simply trying to generate scholarship and opinion to suit an ideology as opposed to creating policy based on facts and real conditions.

Give them convenience, or give them death...
 
2012-12-28 11:21:02 AM

EatHam: If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.


I came here to say if Grandpa had tits, he'd be Grandma.

Maybe we can hook your aunt with balls up with my grandpa with tits, and President Romney can perform the marriage ceremony.
 
2012-12-28 11:23:20 AM
If they only scored a touchdown they would have won the game.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:07 AM
tl;dr: "We would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
 
2012-12-28 11:33:32 AM
Both of the elections involved incumbent presidents with approval ratings hovering around or just under 50 percent facing challengers who were rich men from Massachusetts (though one made his money and the other married it).

Yeah, Romney was born a poor black girl.

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2012-12-28 11:38:53 AM
combing through the results of the 2012 election - apparently finally complete, nearly two months after the fact -

Apparently finally complete?

Apparently finally complete?  *blink*

Dude, the election was finally complete on November 7th.
 
2012-12-28 11:39:22 AM

EatHam: If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

 
2012-12-28 11:43:47 AM

bronyaur1: EatHam: If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.


And if she had more balls, she'd be Subby's Mom...
 
2012-12-28 11:44:30 AM
I guess some people just don't want to admit that the Republicans were just plain wrong about Romney.
 
2012-12-28 11:45:13 AM

Weaver95: I guess some people Republicans just don't want to admit that the Republicans were just plain wrong about Romney.

 
2012-12-28 11:47:25 AM

vernonFL: Dude, the election was finally complete on November 7th.


It's still too close to call. Like I heard black people voted in Maine, someone should look into that.
 
2012-12-28 11:54:20 AM

Weaver95: I guess some people just don't want to admit that the Republicans were just plain wrong about Romney.


No, they don't want to admit that they had no intention of winning. The key is to never let the rubes know that they were being taken, and still are.

Look at the book sales, look at the ratings, look at the fundraising, look at PACs created for donations, look at the sheer volume of candidates this season. It wasn't about politics, it was about extracting as much cash as possible and sliding it around a bit, to get more. The worst possible result would be if Romney had won, because then folks would have to do the real work of governing, and the Bush years confirmed that that is really hard, especially with all those kooky rules in place. Far better to campaign, offer opinion, comment, complain, and keep asking for cash to "fix" the problem that their own less than astute policy created.

Wall Street has made back its money, and then some. This was never about "competition crushing" regulation, but about conning rubes of their hard won dollars, and with less chance of a pay off than a lotto ticket. This isn't even about taxes now, it is about simply being in opposition and spinning that opposition into something vaguely patriotic to get folks to keep up their page views, sell more books, sell more ad time, and get more donations to organizations that have to declare less paperwork than a hooker during Fleet Week. This cycle was never about winning. It was about running someone disposable up, who didn't mind looking foolish and getting as many dollars as possible. To be fair, I don't really think McCain's run was entirely serious either--not with putting Sarah on the ticket--or his wild protestations about the Evil Empire. No one wants to take responsibility for the clean up, but the Congressional leadership can't let much get done, or they will have to admit that they were wrong. This a confluence of grift and ego, and sadly, it has a LOT of taxpayer dollars on a limb here, coupled with con artists who could teach carnies a thing or two about extracting cash from suckers.
 
2012-12-28 11:55:30 AM

sweetmelissa31: vernonFL: Dude, the election was finally complete on November 7th.

It's still too close to call. Like I heard black people voted in Maine, someone should look into that.


A couple of gay black folks too. Those are myths, and we should just toss the whole result and hold another election until we can isolate the fraud...
 
2012-12-28 12:04:24 PM
And if my balls had wings I wouldn't bump my uncle' s ass a-hoppin!

wait...
 
2012-12-28 12:05:18 PM

hubiestubert: Weaver95: I guess some people just don't want to admit that the Republicans were just plain wrong about Romney.

No, they don't want to admit that they had no intention of winning. The key is to never let the rubes know that they were being taken, and still are.


that's an interesting, if cynical, view of the Republicans.  personally, I think Romney was the compromise candidate for a group of people who HATE the concept of 'compromise'.  the evangelical faction didn't like him very much, the business faction thought he was useful and the tea party was railing at clouds for most of the election season.  So they had Romney as the front man, and nobody really was happy with it...but they had to support him because otherwise they've got a black man in the white house.  also - socialisms everywhere.  I suspect a couple of the evangelicals were not as motivated for Romney as they could have been and i'm sure some high ranking GOP types with held some level of support for Romney because of clashing egos...but did the GOP factions set out to deliberately fleece their own voter base?  no. I don't think that was it.

this comes down to leadership.  the Republicans just don't have it.  there is nobody in the GOP who could pull together all the factions in the party, unify them, and present a plan to the public that would be remotely believable.  Obama, even if you don't like him, at least has the Democrats moving all mostly in the same direction at the same time. he's got a plan, it's clearly laid out and he's making visible progress on advancing that plan.  is it a great plan?  maybe.  maybe not.  but we know what it is, and we know it's more than 'tax cuts for the 1%'.

i'm not going to go into Romney's many flaws, of which there were many (both personal and as a candidate).  lets just say that he was not the man for the job.  that also played into his loss.
 
2012-12-28 12:19:08 PM

sweetmelissa31: vernonFL: Dude, the election was finally complete on November 7th.

It's still too close to call. Like I heard black people voted in Maine, someone should look into that.


And I saw a young black man talking to another young black man outside my polling place!!

There's no telling how many Americans they scared off!
 
2012-12-28 12:38:36 PM

Lionel Mandrake: And I saw a young black man talking to another young black man outside my polling place!!


A black man? In Philadelphia?
 
2012-12-28 12:54:02 PM

vernonFL: Lionel Mandrake: And I saw a young black man talking to another young black man outside my polling place!!

A black man? In Philadelphia?


It's more likely than centipedes in your vagina.
 
2012-12-28 01:02:18 PM
subby lied again.
left out this little tidbit:   If Mitt Romney had gotten 16 percent more popular votes than his predecessor, as John Kerry did,

see, it was a comparison to turnouts from previous elections.

but I give you 3/16 for your trolling since you successfully snagged a lot of libs with your lie.
 
2012-12-28 01:11:46 PM
If my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle.
 
2012-12-28 01:12:24 PM
If ifs were a fifth, Mitt Romney wouldn't have any of that, either.
 
2012-12-28 01:12:53 PM
Because there's still time for a recount before the inauguration!!!
 
2012-12-28 01:13:00 PM
Okay then, it is official; Sarah Palin is now president and Obama has been deported to Kenya.
 
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2012-12-28 01:13:48 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: subby lied again.
left out this little tidbit:   If Mitt Romney had gotten 16 percent more popular votes than his predecessor, as John Kerry did,

see, it was a comparison to turnouts from previous elections.

but I give you 3/16 for your trolling since you successfully snagged a lot of libs with your lie.


Not much of a difference really. It still a matter of "if he had more votes he would have done better".
 
2012-12-28 01:14:06 PM

Mugato: ...and if the race was determined by the popular vote, we'd have a much better country and a lot less dead Americans right now.


That is a substantial PoD and the country would have been radically different long before bush was even born.
 
2012-12-28 01:14:19 PM
1. Wait for 4 million Obama voters to die.
2. Posthumously convert them to Romney voters.
3. Presidency.
 
2012-12-28 01:15:19 PM
If cows could fly, convertible sales would plummet.
 
2012-12-28 01:15:20 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: subby lied again.
left out this little tidbit:   If Mitt Romney had gotten 16 percent more popular votes than his predecessor, as John Kerry did,

see, it was a comparison to turnouts from previous elections.

but I give you 3/16 for your trolling since you successfully snagged a lot of libs with your lie.


And if he got 2000 percent of Chester A. Arthur, he would have been elected Emperor for Life!
 
2012-12-28 01:15:24 PM
Right, and if the river were whiskey, AND I were a diving duck, I'd dive to the bottom and never come back up.
 
2012-12-28 01:15:45 PM
Lost in all of Barone's partisan hackery was one nugget of wisdom:

The Republicans lost the election because they failed to motivate voters with their "ideas".
 
2012-12-28 01:15:45 PM
this is the math you do as a republican to make yourself feel.....anything at all.
 
2012-12-28 01:16:36 PM
If my cat barked he'd be a cunningly evil. So, a cat.
 
2012-12-28 01:16:53 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: subby lied again.
left out this little tidbit:   If Mitt Romney had gotten 16 percent more popular votes than his predecessor, as John Kerry did,

see, it was a comparison to turnouts from previous elections.

but I give you 3/16 for your trolling since you successfully snagged a lot of libs with your lie.


Still sore about your 3/5 of a President?
 
2012-12-28 01:17:23 PM
Quick, someone get a bushel of straws to send over to NRO! They're almost out of ones to grasp at!
 
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