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2012-12-28 09:33:58 AM  
It's time the police step up their game:
www.animereq.com
Leona wouldn't have let this shiat happen.
 
2012-12-28 09:34:00 AM  

KIA: Infernalist: other methods of non-lethal weaponry

A) You forgot about Nerf guns. Very intimidating in some of the larger models.

B) Billy-clubs. Right. Why not give them a 18th-century man-catcher? Those were non-lethal and had like a nine-foot range rather than the more limited three-foot range of a billy club.

C) If criminals want habanera sauce, they can generally get it without going to the police for it.

D) Tasers aren't necessarily non-lethal and also aren't necessarily effective.


Your snark is noted, I'll have to mentally adjust your scores downward as a result.

Your response shows that you have zero comprehension of how 90% of the civilized world deals with criminals. I have to dub thee 'retarded' and move on.
 
2012-12-28 09:34:21 AM  

Coco LaFemme: How many people have died in this country as a result of guns since Newtown?  Something like 500+?  This is yet another one.  I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.


b...b...but somebody shot somebody else....and another guy....mass shooting?...newsflash?

:(
 
2012-12-28 09:34:45 AM  
Jesus Derping Christ. Not this shiat again.
 
2012-12-28 09:35:08 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I'll bet it was one day before one of the cop's retirement, too. Those guys should know better than to show up on their last day.


s2.postimage.org

"He was just two days away from retirement - then he took an early retirement."
 
2012-12-28 09:35:47 AM  

Kiriyama9000: If someone did come in with a gun, they'd have to deal with an armed response.


Yes, armed officers will have a chance to take down a shooter before he does the maximum amount of damage.  However, what is more common - school shootings or fights?  If these armed officers are there, will they not be breaking up fights?  When they break up fights, will the students not have an opportunity to take the handgun from the police, just as the man did in this story?  Finally, do you think having guns in schools will make deaths by guns in schools go down or up?
 
2012-12-28 09:35:49 AM  

Goodfella: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I'll bet it was one day before one of the cop's retirement, too. Those guys should know better than to show up on their last day.

They're getting too old for this shiat


*shakes fist*

/I'll be back
 
2012-12-28 09:36:18 AM  

Fissile: Wayne LaPierre has the solution to this problem: Place armed teachers inside every police station.


Winner!
 
2012-12-28 09:36:39 AM  

Kiriyama9000: imontheinternet: BizarreMan: If the police station was a weapons free zone this would not have happened.

FTFA:  The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said.

As mentioned above, I'm sure teachers would be able to protect their firearms much better than trained law enforcement personnel.
The talk of giving teachers guns is silly. Having said that, I went to a high school that had two armed police officers on duty at all times. If someone did come in with a gun, they'd have to deal with an armed response. Even if somehow both officers failed to bring down an assailant, isn't that still better than no response at all?

Not once in my four years in high school did I feel encroached by having officers around, nor did I ever feel that I was in a prison. If I were an elementary school student, I probably thought it would have been awesome to have an officer around. Didn't some of us aspire to be a cop some day at one point or another? Middle school students probably wouldn't care much -- we were all little asses back then.

Put an officer at every school. Give them an office. They are trained and have sworn an oath. Will this be perfect? No. Will this be cheap? No. Will more children be better protected than they are now? YES.

You cannot find and prevent every crazy or mentally sick person from doing crazy things. It is IMPOSSIBLE to predict crazy and even more IMPOSSIBLE to find every potential weapon for said crazy that could be used and destroy them.

Instead, provide an armed response. The only way to deal with deadly force is unfortunately to respond with deadly force.


And when the shooter kills the officer first? Perhaps the officer has his back turned or is locking her office to patrol? Or suppose the officer is on the other side of the building? You could unload an entire clip on many guns before the officer arrives.

The fact is you're hiring a RESPONDER and not a preventer. So maybe the shooter only kills 20 instead of 27? That's not a significant improvement.

We need preventative measures.
 
2012-12-28 09:37:13 AM  

PaulRB: propasaurus: Three people were shot, but only one was injured?

2 were killed but they're listed as resulting from allergic reaction (to small metallic objects)

//new nra excuse


I thought the technical term was "High Velocity Lead Poisoning", but I could be wrong.
 
2012-12-28 09:37:25 AM  

imontheinternet: BizarreMan: If the police station was a weapons free zone this would not have happened.

FTFA:  The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said.

As mentioned above, I'm sure teachers would be able to protect their firearms much better than trained law enforcement personnel.


I'm sure teachers have to deal with large, angry ,drunk criminal types all the time like cops do.

Apples =/= Oranges.
 
2012-12-28 09:37:31 AM  

Kiriyama9000: The talk of giving teachers guns is silly. Having said that, I went to a high school that had two armed police officers on duty at all times. If someone did come in with a gun, they'd have to deal with an armed response. Even if somehow both officers failed to bring down an assailant, isn't that still better than no response at all?


Well, some could argue that it is the same as no response at all...plus two guards on the funeral pyre, plus two guns and two clips (at least) in the shooter's arsenal.

But aside from that...again, how are we, who vote down simple school levies because our kids don't go to the schools in question, going to pay for the positioning of armed guards? Because with the nearly coast-to-coast downsizing of local and county police forces, there aren't going to be enough police to be in every school and enough to patrol. Like I said, the kid from Die Hard 3 knows the scenario: "It's Christmas! You could steal City Hall!" So the guards are either going to have to be hired by the schools, or the locals are going to have to bring more cops back on payroll. Either way, this costs money; money that, in the past decade at the very least, everyone seems reluctant to give.
 
2012-12-28 09:37:40 AM  

Coco LaFemme: How many people have died in this country as a result of guns since Newtown?  Something like 500+?  This is yet another one.  I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.


If you include suicides it would be a bit less than that. No suicides, it would be considerably lower than that.
 
2012-12-28 09:38:08 AM  

liam76: Kiriyama9000: The jerk-off probably managed to yank one of the officers service weapons from a holster.
The cops responded with deadly force and killed the mother farker.
Thankfully there were only injuries to the police and only some asshat is dead.

This is how things are supposed to work

Really?

I am pretty sure whn the police have somebody in custody they, as a rule, shouldn't be able to take police officers weapon from them.

You're making an assumption that every officer is perfect at their job.
You also fail to realize that the officer needs access to their service weapon.
They can do as much as they can to prevent others from gaining access, but it is still a weapon holstered at their side that they need immediate access to should the need arise. Other officers did this and lives were saved because of it.

Where are you going with your logic?
What should the officers have done prior to this?
Disarm themselves and then move the guy?

They are armed for a reason.
For this very reason.
 
2012-12-28 09:38:10 AM  

Infernalist: You don't grasp that this is the last step in what was likely a long line of bad judgement calls and mistakes, judging by what he was hauled in for.


Sounds to me like he has...sorry...had a bit of history of violent behavior. Anyone that is willing to shoot a cop is more than willing to shoot the likes of you while you're in the process of asking him if he would like a hug.

Infernalist: I'm saying he shouldn't have had to have died because some farking retard of a cop left his gun unsecured.


Where in the article did it say that a cop's firearm was unsecured?

Yes, I'll wait.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:06 AM  

Infernalist: Dancin_In_Anson: Infernalist: I know, right? It's always funny until it happens to someone you personally give a shiat about.

I don't give a shiat about a criminal who went for a cop's gun and lost.

I know you don't. You see a nameless, faceless loser who got what he deserved. And I pity you for your lack of comprehension.

You don't grasp that this is the last step in what was likely a long line of bad judgement calls and mistakes, judging by what he was hauled in for.

I'm saying he shouldn't have had to have died because some farking retard of a cop left his gun unsecured.


So you don't believe that this person should have been punished for his decision to take that retard of a cop's gun and start shooting at the other officers in the building? Is this entrapment of some kind in your mind? It's all the fault of the gun again, not the person pulling the trigger?


/the idiocy in this thread is much deeper than the previous gun threads recently.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:21 AM  

Infernalist: Those cops obviously needed more guns.


Additionally they need them to practice with Nintendo Duck Hunt to improve there accuracy, or at least make it available to them inside every Dunkin' and Krispy Kreme donut.
 
2012-12-28 09:40:24 AM  

natazha: I thought all you had to do was show the perp that you had a gun and they would run away? That worked 2 million times last year!

Or not. 2 million is five times the number of violent crimes that occurred in the USA last year. If that was what the CC folks stopped, then there must have been 4-6 million violent crimes that were not reported.


If the perp stops when he sees an armed citizen then there was no crime to report. Besides you should know by reading FARK that the last thing you do in inviolve the cops unless you have no other choice.
 
2012-12-28 09:40:36 AM  
So, it sounds like the shooter grabbed one of the cops guns.  Well, the solution is obvious, Diane Feinstein needs to sponsor a bill to ban cops from having guns.
 
2012-12-28 09:40:37 AM  

TheTrashcanMan: LasersHurt: TheTrashcanMan: Certainly doesn't help that the media keeps making all of these shooters into celebs.

I think if you see a shooter and think of him as a "celeb" that's kind of on you, man.

Very rarely do you remember the names of the victims, but you always remember the name of the shooter. It seems in recent events, gun men are trying to "one-up" each other.


Maybe, but it's kind of a Catch 22. What do you want to do, ignore the crimes? Not report them? That has a host of other implications that I don't like - Americans are already far to willing to pretend nothing's wrong.
 
KIA
2012-12-28 09:41:16 AM  

Infernalist: I'll have to mentally adjust your scores downward as a result.


Lol. OK, Simon Cowell, proceed with your mental scoring and see how many farks people don't give.

Infernalist: you have zero comprehension of how 90% of the civilized world deals with criminals


Really. Fifty-nine countries retain the death penalty as reported in 2007.[4] Comparativists study the different ways in which execution is carried out across the world including hanging, shooting, beheading, injection, electrocution, and even stoning.[4] Comparativists find that in many developing countries such as Iran, Indonesia, Belarus, and many others, that violent methods of execution such as hanging beheading, shooting, and stoning are much more common ways of carrying out the death penalty, and in many cases the only ways... In many countries such as Burma a person can be sentenced to prison for merely disagreeing with the government.[

Perhaps it is not I who lacks a comprehension of how other countries "deal with criminals."
 
2012-12-28 09:41:31 AM  
OMG! Quick, ban some guns before it's too late.
Once those guns get a taste of blood, they are UNSTOPPABLE!

huh?

You're telling me someone actually used a gun as a weapon?
From all the recent media reports I was under the assumption that guns killed on their own.

what?

You mean to say that a criminal used a gun to commit a crime?
But don't we already have laws to prevent criminals from having guns?

Better ban some more guns Barocky.
 
2012-12-28 09:41:46 AM  
Easy solution. Get rid of police stations

/my bill is in the mail
 
2012-12-28 09:42:04 AM  

pdee: imontheinternet: BizarreMan: If the police station was a weapons free zone this would not have happened.

FTFA:  The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said.

As mentioned above, I'm sure teachers would be able to protect their firearms much better than trained law enforcement personnel.

I'm sure teachers have to deal with large, angry ,drunk criminal types all the time like cops do.

Apples =/= Oranges.


You realize gang members go to school, right?
 
2012-12-28 09:42:08 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Infernalist: You don't grasp that this is the last step in what was likely a long line of bad judgement calls and mistakes, judging by what he was hauled in for.

Sounds to me like he has...sorry...had a bit of history of violent behavior. Anyone that is willing to shoot a cop is more than willing to shoot the likes of you while you're in the process of asking him if he would like a hug.

Infernalist: I'm saying he shouldn't have had to have died because some farking retard of a cop left his gun unsecured.

Where in the article did it say that a cop's firearm was unsecured?

Yes, I'll wait.


So, if wasn't unsecured, how did he manage to get it? Did he blink his eyes like I Dream of Jeanie and poof it into his hands?

Think before you post.

And you're assuming the guy was in his right head.

Regardless, this death is entirely the retarded cop's fault for not maintaining control of his handgun. But, naturally, nothing will come of that incompetence.
 
2012-12-28 09:42:10 AM  

martid4: Additionally they need them to practice with Nintendo Duck Hunt


Jesus Christ, man.  Don't you know that violent video games ARE the farking problem?

What's next?  You want the cops driving around listening to that Run DCM gangsta music or Winger heavy-metals?
 
2012-12-28 09:42:11 AM  

MythDragon: It's time the police step up their game:
[www.animereq.com image 550x412]
Leona wouldn't have let this shiat happen.


I raise you...

www.amongninjas.co.uk
/and it's BIG
 
2012-12-28 09:43:05 AM  

BillCo: So, it sounds like the shooter grabbed one of the cops guns.  Well, the solution is obvious, Diane Feinstein needs to sponsor a bill to ban cops from having guns.


They should be required to secure their weapons with a Slinky.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:14 AM  
And the green light trolling continues.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:19 AM  

Coco LaFemme: How many people have died in this country as a result of guns since Newtown?  Something like 500+?  This is yet another one.  I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.


How many people have died since Newtown as a result of Murder? more than 500+. How many have died since Newton due to cancer caused by cigarettes? How many by auto accidents and drunk drivers?

Now how many of those 500+ have been suicides?

Your crass statements about the patheticness are misleading and eggregiously stupid.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:22 AM  

KIA: Infernalist: I'll have to mentally adjust your scores downward as a result.

Lol. OK, Simon Cowell, proceed with your mental scoring and see how many farks people don't give.

Infernalist: you have zero comprehension of how 90% of the civilized world deals with criminals

Really. Fifty-nine countries retain the death penalty as reported in 2007.[4] Comparativists study the different ways in which execution is carried out across the world including hanging, shooting, beheading, injection, electrocution, and even stoning.[4] Comparativists find that in many developing countries such as Iran, Indonesia, Belarus, and many others, that violent methods of execution such as hanging beheading, shooting, and stoning are much more common ways of carrying out the death penalty, and in many cases the only ways... In many countries such as Burma a person can be sentenced to prison for merely disagreeing with the government.[

Perhaps it is not I who lacks a comprehension of how other countries "deal with criminals."


I said 'civilized' world. I'm fairly sure that BURMA is not a country we should be looking up to, son.
 
2012-12-28 09:43:26 AM  

Infernalist: Dancin_In_Anson: Infernalist: I know, right? It's always funny until it happens to someone you personally give a shiat about.

I don't give a shiat about a criminal who went for a cop's gun and lost.

I know you don't. You see a nameless, faceless loser who got what he deserved. And I pity you for your lack of comprehension.

You don't grasp that this is the last step in what was likely a long line of bad judgement calls and mistakes, judging by what he was hauled in for.

I'm saying he shouldn't have had to have died because some farking retard of a cop left his gun unsecured.


Agreed.
 
2012-12-28 09:44:09 AM  
God, guns and Internet Tough Guys. That shall be our legacy.
 
2012-12-28 09:44:29 AM  
The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said.

That sounds like code for "took a gun from the officers".

/They failed to secure their own firearm and people were shot as a result.
/Why are cops still allowed to carry guns?
 
2012-12-28 09:45:19 AM  

rev. dave: Maybe the cops need bigger guns, with 25mm exploding rounds.


The cops were blinded by a cloud of powdered sugar.
 
2012-12-28 09:45:25 AM  
I'm pretty sure nobody ever shot a cop who was carrying a Hello Kitty lunchbox.   Why are we not using those to protect our officers?
 
2012-12-28 09:45:35 AM  

FinFangFark: I was gonna make a crack about the NRA blaming Grand Theft Auto for this, and how their should be vets walking the halls with guns to prevent these things...but meh, it's Friday...gonna go grab a breakfast taco instead.


The end result will also be more poignant than anything that gets dropped in this thread.
 
2012-12-28 09:45:37 AM  

Fissile: propasaurus: Three people were shot, but only one was injured?

==============

It's called "cop math". It's like when they find a little baggie of stems and seeds on a 19 year old pizza-face and they declare a "major" drug bust "with a street value of $1.2 million".

The shooting inside this cop station means all the cops at this station have just won the cop lottery. Every one will now declare an injury.....flying "shrapnel", loss of hearing, stress, etc.....and retire on a 100% disability pension that will pay six figures, and include a Cadillac health plan. The week after they "retire" they get another municipal/county job that pays at least six figures and the hiring authority will say, "It was such a bargain finding this guy because we don't need to pay his health care!"


I just figured the uninjured were black knights.
 
2012-12-28 09:46:14 AM  

Bontesla: So maybe the shooter only kills 20 instead of 27? That's not a significant improvement.


Really?
 
2012-12-28 09:47:07 AM  
They need armed guards inside the police station.
 
2012-12-28 09:48:19 AM  
Uhm, to the cop that had his gun stolen: They make special holsters now to prevent that from happening.

To the cops that attended to him un-cuffed: Next time, try cuffing him until the weapons are secured.

To the cops that got shot: I'm glad it wasn't worse. Hope the cop with the belly wound makes it through to full duty.

To the cops that shot and killed the idiot: Good call. Glad you came out without any fatalities (well, save for the dead idiot).
 
2012-12-28 09:48:35 AM  

KIA: Coco LaFemme: How many people have died in this country as a result of guns since Newtown? Something like 500+?

About the same number that have died as a result of the flu. Same as always. Did you get your flu shot?


Yup.  Though I'd like to see something empirical that says over 500 people have died of the flu in the last three weeks.
 
2012-12-28 09:49:33 AM  
I wish I could get shot without being injured
 
2012-12-28 09:50:02 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Though I'd like to see something empirical that says over 500 people have died of the flu in the last three weeks.


And that those people were intentionally injected with the flu virus by another person.
 
2012-12-28 09:50:13 AM  
I bet the perp was just in the process of "turning his life around" too.
 
2012-12-28 09:51:01 AM  
Three shot, one injured?

Drtfa
 
2012-12-28 09:51:06 AM  
A shooter tries this type of thing where there are other weapons and he manages only to wound 3 before being taken down.

It's almost as if those evil nasty murderous scary guns that the good guys had stopped a crime and saved innocent lives.
 
2012-12-28 09:51:14 AM  

GanjSmokr: /the idiocy in this thread is much deeper than the previous gun threads recently.


For now we only have the cops' word, I wonder what really happened. Knowing cops I would not be surprised if one of them accidentily shot himself, and not wanting a reprimand they decided to blame it on a likely looking civilian they had in custody for something minor, and then loosed a few shots into the body armor of some other cops to "prove" that they had no choice but to respond with deadly force.
 
2012-12-28 09:51:20 AM  

Bontesla: Kiriyama9000: imontheinternet: BizarreMan: If the police station was a weapons free zone this would not have happened.

FTFA:  The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said.

As mentioned above, I'm sure teachers would be able to protect their firearms much better than trained law enforcement personnel.
The talk of giving teachers guns is silly. Having said that, I went to a high school that had two armed police officers on duty at all times. If someone did come in with a gun, they'd have to deal with an armed response. Even if somehow both officers failed to bring down an assailant, isn't that still better than no response at all?

Not once in my four years in high school did I feel encroached by having officers around, nor did I ever feel that I was in a prison. If I were an elementary school student, I probably thought it would have been awesome to have an officer around. Didn't some of us aspire to be a cop some day at one point or another? Middle school students probably wouldn't care much -- we were all little asses back then.

Put an officer at every school. Give them an office. They are trained and have sworn an oath. Will this be perfect? No. Will this be cheap? No. Will more children be better protected than they are now? YES.

You cannot find and prevent every crazy or mentally sick person from doing crazy things. It is IMPOSSIBLE to predict crazy and even more IMPOSSIBLE to find every potential weapon for said crazy that could be used and destroy them.

Instead, provide an armed response. The only way to deal with deadly force is unfortunately to respond with deadly force.

And when the shooter kills the officer first? Perhaps the officer has his back turned or is locking her office to patrol? Or suppose the officer is on the other side of the building? You could unload an entire clip on many guns before the officer arrives.

The fact is you're hiring a RESPONDER and not a preventer. So maybe the shooter only kills 20 instead ...

That is absurd and sickening logic.
I guess those 7 lives wouldn't matter to you.

"Oh don't bother. Just let him keep firing away. Don't put an officer or someone else with a gun in there; they might get die or shoot someone accidentally."

Right, so just let the sicko have his way then.
 
2012-12-28 09:51:22 AM  

ghare: Click Click D'oh: No dead good guys, one dead bad guy... seems like it's working as intended.

Cops are civilians?


Yes. They aren't military.
 
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