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2012-12-28 09:19:14 AM

Click Click D'oh: No dead good guys, one dead bad guy... seems like it's working as intended.


Cops are civilians?
 
2012-12-28 09:19:59 AM

Vodka Zombie: propasaurus: Three people were shot, but only one was injured?

Hmm...  Maybe two were wearing their vests?


Now it's "too soon" once again.
 
2012-12-28 09:20:06 AM

maggoo: dittybopper: Seems to me that having a bunch of guns around prevented that from being much worse.

Seems to me that having a bunch of guns around made the attack possible.


Damn straight. If cops didn't have guns this would never have happened.

/If it saves just one life...
 
2012-12-28 09:20:32 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: dittybopper: Initial report is that 3 are wounded, and the shooter was shot and killed.

Seems to me that having a bunch of guns around prevented that from being much worse.

Click Click D'oh: No dead good guys, one dead bad guy... seems like it's working as intended.

Yep. But we can't let that get in the way of a good derpfest!


Kiriyama9000: Are you all retarded?

"Police said a suspect was under arrest in connection with a domestic violence-related incident when a struggle with officers ensued at around 5:30 a.m. The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said. Officers then returned fire, killing the unidentified suspect."

The jerk-off probably managed to yank one of the officers service weapons from a holster.
The cops responded with deadly force and killed the mother farker.
Thankfully there were only injuries to the police and only some asshat is dead.

This is how things are supposed to work.


Funny, the way I see it working is the guy gets restrained and charged with trying to escape. Of course, in my view of things, the cops would have been armed with non-lethal weapons and no one would have died and most likely, the only guy to get hurt would have been the retard being arrested.

But, hey, what do I know? I'm only one guy.
 
2012-12-28 09:21:07 AM

dittybopper: Actually, they did subby:

Three New Jersey police officers were reportedly wounded during a shooting inside the Gloucester Township Police station.
MyFoxPhilly.com reports that the suspected shooter has been shot and killed.

Initial report is that 3 are wounded, and the shooter was shot and killed.

Seems to me that having a bunch of guns around prevented that from being much worse.


The entire event demonstrates armed people do not prevent mass shootings. They're responders.
 
2012-12-28 09:21:08 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: natazha: I thought all you had to do was show the perp that you had a gun and they would run away? That worked 2 million times last year!

Or not. 2 million is five times the number of violent crimes that occurred in the USA last year. If that was what the CC folks stopped, then there must have been 4-6 million violent crimes that were not reported.

Ummm... no. Don't know where those numbers came from, I'm just commenting on the (il)logic of your statement. If someone stopped a violent crime before it was committed, then there was - by definition - no violent crime committed to be reported.

/Logikal thot, how duz it wurk?


That's similar to the often repeated "thought" that only criminals commit crimes with firearms.
 
2012-12-28 09:21:17 AM

Kiriyama9000: Are you all retarded?

"Police said a suspect was under arrest in connection with a domestic violence-related incident when a struggle with officers ensued at around 5:30 a.m. The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said. Officers then returned fire, killing the unidentified suspect."

The jerk-off probably managed to yank one of the officers service weapons from a holster.
The cops responded with deadly force and killed the mother farker.
Thankfully there were only injuries to the police and only some asshat is dead.

This is how things are supposed to work.


THIS!!! The fark arm-chair anti gun task force is getting derpier by the moment. Subby, your headline is shiatty, inaccurate, and not even a good troll.
 
2012-12-28 09:21:34 AM
s1.ibtimes.com

"What we need doing in this country is start training police on the use of firearms and then putting armed police inside police stations!"
 
2012-12-28 09:21:47 AM

dittybopper: Seems to me that having a bunch of guns around prevented that from being much worse.


Dancin_In_Anson: Yep. But we can't let that get in the way of a good derpfest!


Click Click D'oh: No dead good guys, one dead bad guy... seems like it's working as intended.


At which point in the past few weeks has any argument been made to keep guns out of the hands of police officers?

You know, continuing to harp on events where trained police officers stopped a shooting doesn't further the argument that you are intending to make. I mean, assuming you aren't just making silly comments to further some twisted agenda because reasonable discussion about a serious problem is beyond your pay grade.

Just think, if the police officers DIDN'T have guns, the person in custody wouldn't have been able to steal a weapon and shoot three people.
 
2012-12-28 09:21:48 AM

Infernalist: Funny, the way I see it working is the guy gets restrained and charged with trying to escape.


That is funny!
 
2012-12-28 09:21:50 AM
F*ck, I know a Jersey cop.

Wait this place is way South of him.

Hope all the officers recover fully.
 
2012-12-28 09:21:53 AM

KIA: Actually, the police were wearing body armor which Feinstein is still trying to make illegal for civilians.


Yeah, think of how much fairer it would have been if the perp had had body armor as well.
 
2012-12-28 09:22:01 AM

Chinchillazilla: Days since last mass shooting: 0


Your definition of "mass" confuses me.


/there is gang related gun violence about... every damn day.
//but if its a bunch of white people getting shot, god help us.
 
KIA
2012-12-28 09:22:06 AM

Infernalist: Of course, in my view of things, the cops would have been armed with non-lethal weapons and no one would have died


Yes, however there is no evidence of any kind that water-pistols are effective in law enforcement or that they have any effect upon crime rates.
 
2012-12-28 09:23:08 AM

PaulRB: propasaurus: Three people were shot, but only one was injured?

2 were killed but they're listed as resulting from allergic reaction (to small metallic objects)

//new nra excuse


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2012-12-28 09:23:21 AM

Slappajo: dittybopper: Actually, they did subby:

Three New Jersey police officers were reportedly wounded during a shooting inside the Gloucester Township Police station.
MyFoxPhilly.com reports that the suspected shooter has been shot and killed.

Initial report is that 3 are wounded, and the shooter was shot and killed.

Seems to me that having a bunch of guns around prevented that from being much worse.

This. Three shot is a lot different than 26 dead. Hint: It's more difficult to shoot accurately when someone is shooting back at you.


You're hint is why arming citizens isn't a good defense against mass shooters. It's a great point to buttress gun control.
 
2012-12-28 09:23:25 AM
Certainly doesn't help that the media keeps making all of these shooters into celebs.
 
2012-12-28 09:24:06 AM

Kiriyama9000: The jerk-off probably managed to yank one of the officers service weapons from a holster.
The cops responded with deadly force and killed the mother farker.
Thankfully there were only injuries to the police and only some asshat is dead.

This is how things are supposed to work


Really?

I am pretty sure whn the police have somebody in custody they, as a rule, shouldn't be able to take police officers weapon from them.
 
2012-12-28 09:24:10 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Infernalist: Funny, the way I see it working is the guy gets restrained and charged with trying to escape.

That is funny!


I know, right? It's always funny until it happens to someone you personally give a shiat about.

Another example of the primary lesson: Do NOT call the cops unless your life is in danger because if you do, your life may well end when they get involved.
 
2012-12-28 09:24:25 AM
MORE GUNS!

Love the headline subby :)
 
2012-12-28 09:24:33 AM
Does anyone know the status of the shooter's Man Card?

I'm asking for a friend.
 
2012-12-28 09:24:46 AM
How many people have died in this country as a result of guns since Newtown?  Something like 500+?  This is yet another one.  I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.
 
2012-12-28 09:25:06 AM

TheTrashcanMan: Certainly doesn't help that the media keeps making all of these shooters into celebs.


I think if you see a shooter and think of him as a "celeb" that's kind of on you, man.
 
2012-12-28 09:25:35 AM

KIA: Infernalist: Of course, in my view of things, the cops would have been armed with non-lethal weapons and no one would have died

Yes, however there is no evidence of any kind that water-pistols are effective in law enforcement or that they have any effect upon crime rates.


I was thinking more along the lines of tasers and industrial strength pepper spray, billy clubs and other methods of non-lethal weaponry.

But, you knew that.
 
KIA
2012-12-28 09:26:05 AM

Coco LaFemme: How many people have died in this country as a result of guns since Newtown? Something like 500+?


About the same number that have died as a result of the flu. Same as always. Did you get your flu shot?
 
2012-12-28 09:26:45 AM
The Herp-A-Derp anti-gunners are out in force this morning.

The still havent figured out bad people will still do bad things. Cute.
 
2012-12-28 09:26:59 AM
Did the suspect aquire his own weapon that the cops missed in a search or did he aquire the cops weapon because his hands were cuffed in front of his body.

I thought it was the weapon owners fault when a crime is committed with their firearm? Is the prosecutor filing charges against the weapons owner?
 
2012-12-28 09:27:14 AM

EbolaNYC: A gun isn't a force field.


A gun endows a Sphere of Protection +3 when equipped.
 
2012-12-28 09:27:34 AM

Fissile: Wayne LaPierre has the solution to this problem: Place armed teachers inside every police station.


But what happens if a nutjob drives an armored Zamboni into the station??? We have to make sure all teachers and all police have an armored Zamboni parked next to their desks. Otherwise, bedlam will rule!
 
2012-12-28 09:27:53 AM

propasaurus: Three people were shot, but only one was injured?


==============

It's called "cop math". It's like when they find a little baggie of stems and seeds on a 19 year old pizza-face and they declare a "major" drug bust "with a street value of $1.2 million".

The shooting inside this cop station means all the cops at this station have just won the cop lottery. Every one will now declare an injury.....flying "shrapnel", loss of hearing, stress, etc.....and retire on a 100% disability pension that will pay six figures, and include a Cadillac health plan. The week after they "retire" they get another municipal/county job that pays at least six figures and the hiring authority will say, "It was such a bargain finding this guy because we don't need to pay his health care!"
 
2012-12-28 09:28:07 AM

Bontesla: Slappajo: dittybopper: Actually, they did subby:

Three New Jersey police officers were reportedly wounded during a shooting inside the Gloucester Township Police station.
MyFoxPhilly.com reports that the suspected shooter has been shot and killed.

Initial report is that 3 are wounded, and the shooter was shot and killed.

Seems to me that having a bunch of guns around prevented that from being much worse.

This. Three shot is a lot different than 26 dead. Hint: It's more difficult to shoot accurately when someone is shooting back at you.

You're hint is why arming citizens isn't a good defense against mass shooters. It's a great point to buttress gun control.


*your hint
goddamitsomuch
 
2012-12-28 09:28:19 AM
/grabs popcorn
//whiskey too
 
2012-12-28 09:28:26 AM

Infernalist: I know, right? It's always funny until it happens to someone you personally give a shiat about.


I don't give a shiat about a criminal who went for a cop's gun and lost.
 
2012-12-28 09:28:39 AM

Giltric: Did the suspect aquire his own weapon that the cops missed in a search or did he aquire the cops weapon because his hands were cuffed in front of his body.

I thought it was the weapon owners fault when a crime is committed with their firearm? Is the prosecutor filing charges against the weapons owner?


Depends on the situation, I think. If he was cuffed in front and managed to grab an unsecured gun from deputy derper, then yeah, that cop is likely looking at a lengthy paid vacation with outcome unknown.

The rules are different for cops. I thought everyone knew this by now.
 
2012-12-28 09:28:53 AM
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for questioning
 
2012-12-28 09:29:00 AM

Click Click D'oh: No dead good guys, one dead bad guy... seems like it's working as intended.


Sad thing is this stuff has got to take its toll on the cops' well-being, through no fault of their own. Their job is harrowing enough without this shiat.
 
2012-12-28 09:29:01 AM

imontheinternet: Nem Wan: The shooter took a cop's gun. Nobody would be able to get a gun from a teacher.


What an average teacher might look like


He's a cop, you idiot.
 
2012-12-28 09:29:48 AM

LasersHurt: TheTrashcanMan: Certainly doesn't help that the media keeps making all of these shooters into celebs.

I think if you see a shooter and think of him as a "celeb" that's kind of on you, man.


Ha. Well said
 
2012-12-28 09:30:28 AM

imontheinternet: BizarreMan: If the police station was a weapons free zone this would not have happened.

FTFA:  The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said.

As mentioned above, I'm sure teachers would be able to protect their firearms much better than trained law enforcement personnel.

The talk of giving teachers guns is silly. Having said that, I went to a high school that had two armed police officers on duty at all times. If someone did come in with a gun, they'd have to deal with an armed response. Even if somehow both officers failed to bring down an assailant, isn't that still better than no response at all?

Not once in my four years in high school did I feel encroached by having officers around, nor did I ever feel that I was in a prison. If I were an elementary school student, I probably thought it would have been awesome to have an officer around. Didn't some of us aspire to be a cop some day at one point or another? Middle school students probably wouldn't care much -- we were all little asses back then.

Put an officer at every school. Give them an office. They are trained and have sworn an oath. Will this be perfect? No. Will this be cheap? No. Will more children be better protected than they are now? YES.

You cannot find and prevent every crazy or mentally sick person from doing crazy things. It is IMPOSSIBLE to predict crazy and even more IMPOSSIBLE to find every potential weapon for said crazy that could be used and destroy them.

Instead, provide an armed response. The only way to deal with deadly force is unfortunately to respond with deadly force.
 
2012-12-28 09:30:33 AM

PaulRB: propasaurus: Three people were shot, but only one was injured?

2 were killed but they're listed as resulting from allergic reaction (to small metallic objects)

//new nra excuse


I like this one. Boys lets get the FDA on this. I smell good PR in our future.
www.51allout.co.uk
 
KIA
2012-12-28 09:30:38 AM

Infernalist: other methods of non-lethal weaponry


A) You forgot about Nerf guns. Very intimidating in some of the larger models.

B) Billy-clubs. Right. Why not give them a 18th-century man-catcher? Those were non-lethal and had like a nine-foot range rather than the more limited three-foot range of a billy club.

C) If criminals want habanera sauce, they can generally get it without going to the police for it.

D) Tasers aren't necessarily non-lethal and also aren't necessarily effective.
 
2012-12-28 09:30:59 AM

LasersHurt: TheTrashcanMan: Certainly doesn't help that the media keeps making all of these shooters into celebs.

I think if you see a shooter and think of him as a "celeb" that's kind of on you, man.


Very rarely do you remember the names of the victims, but you always remember the name of the shooter. It seems in recent events, gun men are trying to "one-up" each other.
 
2012-12-28 09:31:15 AM

socodog: Kiriyama9000: Are you all retarded?

"Police said a suspect was under arrest in connection with a domestic violence-related incident when a struggle with officers ensued at around 5:30 a.m. The suspect "obtained a firearm" during the struggle, police sources said. Officers then returned fire, killing the unidentified suspect."

The jerk-off probably managed to yank one of the officers service weapons from a holster.
The cops responded with deadly force and killed the mother farker.
Thankfully there were only injuries to the police and only some asshat is dead.

This is how things are supposed to work.

THIS!!! The fark arm-chair anti gun task force is getting derpier by the moment. Subby, your headline is shiatty, inaccurate, and not even a good troll.


So if the cops WEREN'T armed, this would have never happened.
 
2012-12-28 09:31:21 AM
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WANTED FOR QUESTIONING
 
2012-12-28 09:31:26 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Infernalist: I know, right? It's always funny until it happens to someone you personally give a shiat about.

I don't give a shiat about a criminal who went for a cop's gun and lost.


I know you don't. You see a nameless, faceless loser who got what he deserved. And I pity you for your lack of comprehension.

You don't grasp that this is the last step in what was likely a long line of bad judgement calls and mistakes, judging by what he was hauled in for.

I'm saying he shouldn't have had to have died because some farking retard of a cop left his gun unsecured.
 
2012-12-28 09:32:53 AM
Maybe the cops need bigger guns, with 25mm exploding rounds.
 
KIA
2012-12-28 09:33:05 AM

Infernalist: You don't grasp that this is the last step in what was likely a long line of bad judgement calls and mistakes, judging by what he was hauled in for.


Well... Bye.
 
2012-12-28 09:33:16 AM
did someone armed end it?

/drtfa
 
2012-12-28 09:33:24 AM

Goodfella: [s1.ibtimes.com image 578x365]

"What we need doing in this country is start training police on the use of firearms and then putting armed police inside police stations!"


You hit the nail on the head sir.
 
2012-12-28 09:33:34 AM
He won't be back.
 
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