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(CNN)   US official: North Korea likely deceived U.S. before launching rocket. Obvious tag goes tumbling through low earth orbit   ( divider line
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2012-12-28 04:39:17 PM  
This morning I heard an interview of someone who escaped a North Korean prison camp, and the stories he told are nothing short of WTF! Since I don't have time to go into details, the only reason he was there was because his parents protested the government BEFORE HE WAS BORN. Once you are in one of these places, the next THREE GENERATIONS of offspring also must spend their lives there as well. And when he did get out, he was astonished how great the quality of life in NORTH KOREA was compared to life in the prison camp.

I'm not saying we go all W on them and attempt to "liberate" them, but could we at least negotiate some kind of agreement that sees people born into these circumstances allowed to be adopted out of the camp or something? There is a new guy in charge now, perhaps he may have some more sense than the last couple of guys who ran the show?
2012-12-28 04:48:21 PM  

Oztemprom: So, what is this satellite actually for?

Does it go beep like a Sputnik? Is it some sort of CommSat?

I mean, even if it is truly only a cover story for ballistics testing, which I tend to believe, there has to be some theoretical purpose for the thing.

IIRC, the declared use was a weather satellite. But,a s it is apparently spinning out of control, it can't do that.
Really, I think it was just "Can we get something (anything) into orbit this time?"
2012-12-28 05:21:27 PM  

NutWrench: HempHead: jehovahs witness protection: Fooling the obama administration isn't very difficult.

Fooling the CIA isn't very difficult evidently either.

I suspect there's been a lot of brain drain in the intelligence community after all the undeserved shiat they got after 9/11. When the administration ignores your advice completely, creates their own agency to create an excuse for a war (Office of Special Plans) and then blames YOU for the fark-ups afterwards, there's not much you can do. You can't defend yourselves publicly without violating your secrecy oaths, so, a lot of people say, "fark this" and leave for greener pastures in the private sector.

Yeah I forgot they totally missed the boat on the whole 9/11 thing and believed "Curveball's" story about Saddam being the master mind behind it all.

Iraq? Morons.
2012-12-28 05:31:48 PM  

durbnpoisn: I think I missed something in TFA. Is this rocket some kind of show that they can launch things into orbit, or is it a threat showing that they coul possibly put a warhead on that thing?

If it's the warhead thing, that's kind of scary. And I still don't understand why North Korea is trying to warn the world not to atack them. Does anyone actually have any plans for that? As far as I know, they are larely ignored.

There was an article by some rocket scientist guy about trajectories and guidance. Seemed like due to the trajectory and seeming lack of necessary pin point guidance rockets to put stuff in orbit are different and easier to do than ICBMs that you want to actually aim.
2012-12-28 05:49:29 PM  
What is that remote-controlled spy shuttle we launched the day after, the X-37B?

I'm sure we flew that right up to their satellite and took a close up look at it, tested the shuttle's weapon targeting systems on it, and then shrugged and flew off, just hours after it went into orbit.
2012-12-28 07:10:03 PM  
I love the people in here thinking Obama should personally be involved in everything that happens in the entire world. It's almost like they're trying to find any reason, no matter how ridiculous, to biatch and cry and whine about him.
2012-12-28 07:53:50 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Article: "Earlier this week, South Korean defense officials warned that the latest North Korean missile had the capability to travel more than 6,000 miles, meaning this type of rocket could strike the United States."

That's a bit of an understatement. A rocket that can put a satellite into a polar orbit has the capability to reach any point on the planet.

But the aiming part is a whole other game.
Very scary!
2012-12-28 11:05:04 PM  
KiwDaWabbit : Oh, shiat. They're closing in rapidly on being within 50 years of the rest of the world technology-wise.

And yet, they've done something South Korea, even with our massive funding, has failed to accomplish - And oh yes, they've tried. And failed. Repeatedly.

Ivo Shandor : That's a bit of an understatement. A rocket that can put a satellite into a polar orbit has the capability to reach any point on the planet.

Not quite - For a ballistic trajectory, you need to go a lot higher, not lower. Yes, in theory, a polar orbit can decay to any point on the planet; In practice, even the experts can't accurately predict where a passive reentry will smack down.

special20 : Time to ramp shiat up to 11 on the counter intelligence effort.

Counter intelligence? Seriously people, read a frickin' (non-Ministry-of-Disinformation-approved) paper. Snocone nailed this one in the 2nd post; We knew about the launch because North Korea alerted the world of the drop zones for their several stages. Just from that information alone you can calculate whether or not they've launched a satellite or a ballistic missile. And when the first stage hit the planned zone, we had confirmation of their intent. No surprises involved.

Now, NK did manage to pull off one pretty impressive feat here (aside from what amounts to a third-world nation reaching orbit) - They chose a launch window that didn't have any of our spy satellites in a good position to capture every minute detail of the event (almost an hour gap in coverage, in fact).

So, whatever you may think of their batshiat insane fearless leader - They managed to best us (conceptually) twice with this one. First by merely pulling it off successfully, and second by denying us a closeup of the fingerprints of the guy pressing the "launch" button.

All that said - We knew all about it, and knew the instant they launched; and if we actually feared a real attack instead of (as announced) a peaceful satellite launch, we'd refer to it as "North Sheet of Glass" right about now. So quit listening to the idiots of the press who can't bother understanding the BS they spew, and pay attention to the real world. Anyone else remember making fun of Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, aka "Baghdad Bob"? Yeah, take a look in the mirror, guys.
2012-12-29 04:34:27 AM  

Kuroshin: I soooooooo cannot wait for the junta to fail at keeping the citizenry in the dark.  For me, that'll be the most delicious fall of a dictatorship I could ever see.

True, but our government has far too much experience at keeping us in the dark and frankly the citizens are quite content with believing them.

Oh wait, did you mean North Korea?
2012-12-29 01:00:32 PM  

special20: Clemkadidlefark: NORTHCOMM - "Mr. President, passenger jets will be used as weapons."
Bush - "I don't believe it."
NORAD - "Mr. President, we have evidence there is a plot to attack the US."
Bush - "I don't believe it."

Boom, flash, zoom, WTC falls

Bush - "How did this happen? Why didn't anyone tell me?"

FTFY, asshat.

Yes indeed. I did in fact kick your ass so hard you were wearing it as a hat
2012-12-29 01:20:28 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Yes indeed. I did in fact kick your ass so hard you were wearing it as a hat

No, that's your own reflection you're seeing while inside that bubble you live in.
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