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2012-12-28 10:30:33 AM  
Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.


If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?
 
2012-12-28 10:37:24 AM  

grinding_journalist: Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.

If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?



I guess it could be something where the friend would say something like "I'll give you X-dollars for it, but if you can get more, go ahead." But I think it's going to be very hard for them to regulate.
 
2012-12-28 10:39:36 AM  

grinding_journalist: Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.

If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?


Tax recepits?
 
2012-12-28 10:40:19 AM  
eBay doesn't care. I wanted to get some rav4 cup holder inserts, and there is one seller who consistently sells them and uses shill accounts to drive up the prices.

Link

One bidder bid 17 times and they somehow didn't win. Look at the seller's other auctions. A lot of bids from accounts with low feedback ratings who seem to be excited about the item but not excited enough to win. I got tired of submitting these cases and gave up because nothing was done.
 
2012-12-28 10:40:25 AM  

grinding_journalist: Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.

If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?


No. It is to prevent people from bidding a price up but having no intention to buy it.
 
2012-12-28 10:45:21 AM  
Since the consumers stopped allowing comments, it's almost pointless to go there.  Whining was their main attraction.
 
2012-12-28 10:47:37 AM  
If you can get more money for the item from someone else maybe ?
 
2012-12-28 10:53:02 AM  

seniorgato: Since the consumers stopped allowing comments, it's almost pointless to go there.  Whining was their main attraction.


But they had trouble with shrill biatchering, and so they had to curtail things.
 
2012-12-28 10:54:05 AM  

grinding_journalist: If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut?


That's like playing online poker with your next door neighbor.
 
2012-12-28 10:56:47 AM  

JonZoidberg: eBay doesn't care. I wanted to get some rav4 cup holder inserts, and there is one seller who consistently sells them and uses shill accounts to drive up the prices.

Link

One bidder bid 17 times and they somehow didn't win. Look at the seller's other auctions. A lot of bids from accounts with low feedback ratings who seem to be excited about the item but not excited enough to win. I got tired of submitting these cases and gave up because nothing was done.


What I see there is a bidder with 4 feedback whose maximum bid was $42.00 and each time someone else bid, his automatic proxy bid towards his max bid. Then someone bid above his proxy max.

When you use proxy bidding, you take into account the most you are willing to spend INCLUDING shipping, subtract the shipping amount and presto, you have your maximum bid. If you have researched your purchase, you will not overpay for your item because you know it's value. IF someone outbids you, rest assured that they are paying too much for said item.
 
2012-12-28 10:59:34 AM  
For instance, the folks at FidoSysop


Wait -- Fido BBSs are still around? I bet FidoNet's four retired guys who get together every month to complain about Phil Katz just for old time's sake, these days.
 
2012-12-28 11:04:35 AM  

grinding_journalist: If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?


Remember they mentioned someone with a shiat-ton of Twitter followers? This counts as "knowing them" for the purposes of this article. Besides, what if your selling something and cousin Ethel, who you only see at family reunions every 4 years bids on it, not realizing that it's you? That was banned under the old rules, too.
 
2012-12-28 11:12:26 AM  
I don't know why shill bidding shouldn't be allowed anyway.

It's like having an invisible minium price.. Every transaction has an invisible minimum/maximum price for the seller/buyer.

Why does the seller have to show his minium price but the buyer doesn't have to show his maximum?
 
2012-12-28 11:15:09 AM  

thepostess: JonZoidberg: eBay doesn't care. I wanted to get some rav4 cup holder inserts, and there is one seller who consistently sells them and uses shill accounts to drive up the prices.

Link

One bidder bid 17 times and they somehow didn't win. Look at the seller's other auctions. A lot of bids from accounts with low feedback ratings who seem to be excited about the item but not excited enough to win. I got tired of submitting these cases and gave up because nothing was done.

What I see there is a bidder with 4 feedback whose maximum bid was $42.00 and each time someone else bid, his automatic proxy bid towards his max bid. Then someone bid above his proxy max.

When you use proxy bidding, you take into account the most you are willing to spend INCLUDING shipping, subtract the shipping amount and presto, you have your maximum bid. If you have researched your purchase, you will not overpay for your item because you know it's value. IF someone outbids you, rest assured that they are paying too much for said item.


Those aren't proxy bids. If you want to see that action, click the link "show automatic bids." Those were 17 submitted bids from one account. It might be some kind of app, sure, or a coincidence, but if you look at their item history, there's a pattern. That's just one example.
 
2012-12-28 11:17:28 AM  
The only reason to buy something of Ebay is because you have too much money and you want to give some of it to a Chinese scam artist.
 
2012-12-28 11:23:05 AM  

MugzyBrown: I don't know why shill bidding shouldn't be allowed anyway.

It's like having an invisible minium price.. Every transaction has an invisible minimum/maximum price for the seller/buyer.

Why does the seller have to show his minium price but the buyer doesn't have to show his maximum?


There's always been a mechanism for that -- the "Reserve Price".
 
2012-12-28 11:43:16 AM  

phaseolus: For instance, the folks at FidoSysop


Wait -- Fido BBSs are still around? I bet FidoNet's four retired guys who get together every month to complain about Phil Katz just for old time's sake, these days.


I had no problem running PKZIP through FrontDoor for QuickBBS. Tempest in a teapot, that.

/net363 ftw
 
2012-12-28 11:47:18 AM  

grinding_journalist: Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.

If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?


MY F-I-L has a decent Ebay Business selling knives and other things, on occasion I like to buy something from him just to throw some money his way  while saving face for both of us (he knows I'm a big fan of sharp and pointy things).  If I just gave him the cash outright or bought it from him directly his PO would give him shiat (he used run a VERY sucessful, uh, plant-based pharamcuetical distribution network), but with ebay we can prove everyhting is legit.
 
2012-12-28 11:47:30 AM  

phaseolus: MugzyBrown: I don't know why shill bidding shouldn't be allowed anyway.

It's like having an invisible minium price.. Every transaction has an invisible minimum/maximum price for the seller/buyer.

Why does the seller have to show his minium price but the buyer doesn't have to show his maximum?

There's always been a mechanism for that -- the "Reserve Price".



It's psychological. No reserve means that the item is getting sold. With a reserve, especially, when they were hidden, you would watch and bid over the course of 3-7days...only to find out you didn't meet the reserve. Better luck next time.
 
2012-12-28 11:50:44 AM  

MugzyBrown: I don't know why shill bidding shouldn't be allowed anyway.

It's like having an invisible minium price.. Every transaction has an invisible minimum/maximum price for the seller/buyer.

Why does the seller have to show his minium price but the buyer doesn't have to show his maximum?


Because them's the rules of auctions, and by "rules" I mean "laws".  Shill Bidding isn;t just an e-bay no-no, it's an actual crime.   And auctions MUST legally specify whether they are reserve or no-reserve in advance, so a "hidden reserve" is also illegal.
 
2012-12-28 12:13:41 PM  
They need to get rid of hiding a bidder's maximum bid. How am I supposed to know what to bid to outbid someone else when they do that? For example, I do a search, see an item I like, the auction is ending soon, I put in a bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in another bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in a 3rd bid and get "this has been won by someone else"

How an I supposed to outbid someone else when I don't know what their true bid is?
 
2012-12-28 12:20:58 PM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: They need to get rid of hiding a bidder's maximum bid. How am I supposed to know what to bid to outbid someone else when they do that? For example, I do a search, see an item I like, the auction is ending soon, I put in a bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in another bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in a 3rd bid and get "this has been won by someone else"

How an I supposed to outbid someone else when I don't know what their true bid is?


Someone doesn't know how eBay works. Put in your true highest bid and go have a beer. Let the system decide who's highest bid is higher.
 
2012-12-28 12:39:53 PM  

Magorn: grinding_journalist: Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.

If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?

MY F-I-L has a decent Ebay Business selling knives and other things, on occasion I like to buy something from him just to throw some money his way  while saving face for both of us (he knows I'm a big fan of sharp and pointy things).  If I just gave him the cash outright or bought it from him directly his PO would give him shiat (he used run a VERY sucessful, uh, plant-based pharamcuetical distribution network), but with ebay we can prove everyhting is legit.


Oh, one of those funny MLM deals? Mary Plus or something?
 
2012-12-28 12:51:18 PM  
Sniping software is the way to go on eBay.  It submits your bid during the last few seconds of an auction, leaving others little time to react to it. Helps avoid bidding wars and shills.
 
2012-12-28 12:51:47 PM  
Cloudchaser Sakonige
They need to get rid of hiding a bidder's maximum bid. How am I supposed to know what to bid to outbid someone else when they do that? For example, I do a search, see an item I like, the auction is ending soon, I put in a bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in another bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in a 3rd bid and get "this has been won by someone else"

How an I supposed to outbid someone else when I don't know what their true bid is?


Seriously, you are doing it wrong.

Right now I am trying to buy a stove on ebay. My requirements are an electric stove but it has to be 36 inches wide. The is highly unusual so much so that there is only one model sold at Sears (3000 electric ranges, 2999 are 30 inch wide, 1 is 36 wide). One seller is selling a European model and seems to have an unlimited supply but there is not much of a market. He is using a shill across his entire site to bid up his products. I bid the same exact price on the 7 listing he has for the model and have been outbid by his shill on 6 of them. Eventually I may get one or I could change my mind and fit a gas connection in my kitchen and buy a vintage stove.

Another time I was bidding on an item and had $75 as my limit. Item was mine at $35 when during the last day someone with 0 feedback started bidding my up in $1 increments, over a period of 3 hours he made 30 or 40 bids till he outbid me. Fine, another shill. After I lost, within 10 minutes, I got a second chance offer at $75. Buyer said that the winner was actually some kid who got on his father's account and didn't know what he was doing. I declined his offer at $75 and I told him that my policy was to decline second chance offers as there are unscrupulous assholes out there that use shills to bid up their products.  I turned the guy in and they pulled his account.
 
2012-12-28 01:01:32 PM  

grinding_journalist: Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?


A friend if mine does charity auctions of autographed photos and items from various celebrities. Anybody who finds out about her items can bid on them. Some items are won by friends, others are won by strangers. But it's all legit. Why shouldn't I be able to bid on a Matt Smith autographed bow tie with a picture of him signing it? Just because I know the person who is selling the item? Sure she could sell it direct to me but what if you want it more than I do?
 
2012-12-28 01:03:32 PM  

Another Government Employee: Magorn: grinding_journalist: Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.

If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?

MY F-I-L has a decent Ebay Business selling knives and other things, on occasion I like to buy something from him just to throw some money his way  while saving face for both of us (he knows I'm a big fan of sharp and pointy things).  If I just gave him the cash outright or bought it from him directly his PO would give him shiat (he used run a VERY sucessful, uh, plant-based pharamcuetical distribution network), but with ebay we can prove everyhting is legit.

Oh, one of those funny MLM deals? Mary Plus or something?


No the kind that gets the DEA raiding your house in SWAT gear and a dime in the Federal lock-up
 
2012-12-28 01:06:32 PM  

Buffalo77: Cloudchaser Sakonige
They need to get rid of hiding a bidder's maximum bid. How am I supposed to know what to bid to outbid someone else when they do that? For example, I do a search, see an item I like, the auction is ending soon, I put in a bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in another bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in a 3rd bid and get "this has been won by someone else"

How an I supposed to outbid someone else when I don't know what their true bid is?

Seriously, you are doing it wrong.

Right now I am trying to buy a stove on ebay. My requirements are an electric stove but it has to be 36 inches wide. The is highly unusual so much so that there is only one model sold at Sears (3000 electric ranges, 2999 are 30 inch wide, 1 is 36 wide). One seller is selling a European model and seems to have an unlimited supply but there is not much of a market. He is using a shill across his entire site to bid up his products. I bid the same exact price on the 7 listing he has for the model and have been outbid by his shill on 6 of them. Eventually I may get one or I could change my mind and fit a gas connection in my kitchen and buy a vintage stove.

Another time I was bidding on an item and had $75 as my limit. Item was mine at $35 when during the last day someone with 0 feedback started bidding my up in $1 increments, over a period of 3 hours he made 30 or 40 bids till he outbid me. Fine, another shill. After I lost, within 10 minutes, I got a second chance offer at $75. Buyer said that the winner was actually some kid who got on his father's account and didn't know what he was doing. I declined his offer at $75 and I told him that my policy was to decline second chance offers as there are unscrupulous assholes out there that use shills to bid up their products.  I turned the guy in and they pulled his account.


See if your local area has a ReStore.  It's kinda like a throft store for building materials and appliances run by Habitat for Humanity.  Some of what they sell are older fixtures and appliances  that they've pulled out of places they've re-habbed and some are brand new stuff donated by builders who ordered extra for a housing development and can unload it for the tax-write off.  I got a new sealed-burner glass-topped stove and oven combo there for $50
 
2012-12-28 01:14:44 PM  
I am an eBay bid sniper. I NEVER pay more for any item than I am willing to bid. If I don't win an auction, I wait and win a similar one a few days or weeks later. Those 'rare' collectibles are usually manufactured in large quantities. Shill bidders have a negligible effect on me, because I decide the maximum amount I am willing to pay. Patience is a virtue. All things come to he who waits... and then snipes at the last possible second. Bwhahahahahahaha!!! The sure-fire way to pay 'too much' is to get into a bidding war with a first-timer that is caught up in a bidding frenzy.

news.sequimpc.com
 
2012-12-28 01:47:57 PM  
I get better deals on ebay than you. Nanee nanee boo boo stick your head in doo doo
 
2012-12-28 01:51:10 PM  
So... if I like the stuff which an online store auctions, I should never follow them on Twitter to find out what they're offering on eBay, because eBay doesn't want me to buy stuff that people know about?
 
2012-12-28 02:14:31 PM  

grinding_journalist: If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?


Its been a long time since I've sold something on eBay... but isnt the policy that once there's a bid, you can't remove the item?  This prevents non-reserve auctions from essentially becoming hidden/fake reserve auctions.

Therefore, once its up there, if your sister wants to buy it from you... she's gotta go through eBay.
 
2012-12-28 02:17:18 PM  
There was a particular portable antenna I wanted to try out - this guy would always list the thing cheap then I'd watch *immediate* outbids roll in on something that had been sitting there for over 3 days with no activity. I'm aware of sniping software and all but I'm a stickler about my price points for things I want, so I've give up.

Day later, I'd get a "Second Chance Offer!" from the seller at still some absurd amount above what he listed it for. I'm certain the "other bidders" were shill accounts.
 
2012-12-28 02:50:46 PM  

Magorn: Because them's the rules of auctions, and by "rules" I mean "laws". Shill Bidding isn;t just an e-bay no-no, it's an actual crime. And auctions MUST legally specify whether they are reserve or no-reserve in advance, so a "hidden reserve" is also illegal.


Because it's illegal doesn't mean it makes sense, because it doesn't.

The buyer doesn't have to declare the most they'll spend, so the seller shouldn't have to declare how much it takes to sell.
 
2012-12-28 03:16:12 PM  

grinding_journalist: Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.

If you know them, why aren't they just shipping to you directly, instead of giving ebay a cut? If you find something on ebay being sold by someone you know, why wouldn't you just contact them regarding the auction?

Can anyone think of a good reason to use ebay if you're selling something to family/friends?


If a family member got a shiatty ebay gift card for xmas.
 
2012-12-28 03:40:33 PM  
"[A]s with everything related to eBay, it's how the policy will be enforced that's the sticking point," writes EcommerceBytes.com's Ina Steiner. "Sellers remain just as susceptible to accusations of shill bidding - how will eBay be able to determine the intent of the bidder?"

I'm not into auctions so... do shill bidders ever buy much of anything? Seems like all you'd need to do is look for bidding/buying patterns. If you see someone who frequently bids on items from the same seller but never buys, flag them. Don't let them bid on more than one item at a time.

Anyway, I'm sure they have far more complicated algorithms to identify these and ways to deal with them once found, which is probably why they're now relaxing the policy. And just as Google doesn't want to reveal its algorithms, eBay would also have an interest in making its methods as opaque as possible; as soon as you tell people what you're looking for they find another way.

You don't have to make it impossible to shill bid, just so that it's too much trouble for most people.
 
2012-12-28 04:53:00 PM  
Ebay doesn't give a huge rip about shill bidders. Those sellers are still paying listing fees on either their failed auction, or Ebay gets a larger hunk final auction valuation if the price rises enough. I suspect they only really get serious about the ones that start costing Ebay money.

Buffalo77: Right now I am trying to buy a stove on ebay. My requirements are an electric stove but it has to be 36 inches wide. The is highly unusual so much so that there is only one model sold at Sears (3000 electric ranges, 2999 are 30 inch wide, 1 is 36 wide). One seller is selling a European model and seems to have an unlimited supply but there is not much of a market. He is using a shill across his entire site to bid up his products. I bid the same exact price on the 7 listing he has for the model and have been outbid by his shill on 6 of them. Eventually I may get one or I could change my mind and fit a gas connection in my kitchen and buy a vintage stov


For new items such as this, I find it rare that Ebay actually has a lower price than what could be found searching the net for a reputable dealer. If you are losing the auctions every time, just grab the model number and see what you can find on the googles.... or a local appliance store. As mentioned above, if you have a ReStore in your area, check it out. They get inventory in at strange times and they will never know what they get, so you have to either make friends with the folks that do receiving (or have them in the family) or check often.

http://www.habitat.org/restores
 
2012-12-28 04:56:37 PM  

JonZoidberg: eBay doesn't care. I wanted to get some rav4 cup holder inserts, and there is one seller who consistently sells them and uses shill accounts to drive up the prices.

Link

One bidder bid 17 times and they somehow didn't win. Look at the seller's other auctions. A lot of bids from accounts with low feedback ratings who seem to be excited about the item but not excited enough to win. I got tired of submitting these cases and gave up because nothing was done.


$43? ?? ?!!!    Are there no junkyards in your area?
 
2012-12-28 05:41:41 PM  

wingnut396: Ebay doesn't give a huge rip about shill bidders. Those sellers are still paying listing fees on either their failed auction, or Ebay gets a larger hunk final auction valuation if the price rises enough. I suspect they only really get serious about the ones that start costing Ebay money.

Buffalo77: Right now I am trying to buy a stove on ebay. My requirements are an electric stove but it has to be 36 inches wide. The is highly unusual so much so that there is only one model sold at Sears (3000 electric ranges, 2999 are 30 inch wide, 1 is 36 wide). One seller is selling a European model and seems to have an unlimited supply but there is not much of a market. He is using a shill across his entire site to bid up his products. I bid the same exact price on the 7 listing he has for the model and have been outbid by his shill on 6 of them. Eventually I may get one or I could change my mind and fit a gas connection in my kitchen and buy a vintage stov

For new items such as this, I find it rare that Ebay actually has a lower price than what could be found searching the net for a reputable dealer. If you are losing the auctions every time, just grab the model number and see what you can find on the googles.... or a local appliance store. As mentioned above, if you have a ReStore in your area, check it out. They get inventory in at strange times and they will never know what they get, so you have to either make friends with the folks that do receiving (or have them in the family) or check often.

http://www.habitat.org/restores


They stopped putting those narrow stoves/ovens in houses about 40 years ago.

Any electric oven 40 years old is well past it's prime and not with installing.
Home Depot carries them, but they are 3x's the price of the slightly bigger models.
 
2012-12-28 06:17:47 PM  
I bought some stuff on eBay, but that was years ago - before reputable sellers had other options.
 
2012-12-28 08:18:51 PM  
Yall stupid? Buy it now/lowest price first...check distance and feedback...

/makes a living on eBay. Stupid questions come from California...
 
2012-12-28 10:04:28 PM  
I don't have much objection to shill bidding. There's not much difference between setting a reserve price and using shill bidders to increase the price. If you've done your due diligence, then you already know how much you're willing to pay for an item taking into account shipping, etc. This becomes your maximum bid. If you wind up winning the auction, then you got it for a price that was acceptable to you. If the shill bids above your maximum bid, it's no different than if the seller had set a reserve price.

Like an earlier poster, I have a strict policy against accepting second-chance offers where a shill was involved. If the seller re-lists the item, one can take things a step further and bid again but with a lower maximum bid to penalize the seller.
 
2012-12-29 12:14:22 AM  

HempHead: They stopped putting those narrow stoves/ovens in houses about 40 years ago.

Any electric oven 40 years old is well past it's prime and not with installing.
Home Depot carries them, but they are 3x's the price of the slightly bigger mode


So 36" a stove is narrower than a 30" one? You can find the 36" ranges, but like anything that is not the standard 30", its more expensive it seems.
 
2012-12-29 01:35:50 AM  
I sell on ebay, 2200 feedback, power seller. 100% pos feedback for years. Sell mostly NOS items from the 60s-80s.
As a seller I do not use shill bidders, but it is tempting since ebay doesnt care if I do.

I do NOT buy anything on ebay for more than $10. Shill bidding is rampant and ebay encourages it. There is no reason to buy anything on ebay unless it is a one of a kind item. You can ALWAYS find new items cheaper elsewhere. ALWAYS. With other sites you will actually get your product on time, and as described. With ebay its a crapshoot (unless you buy from someone like me with thousands of positives and no negs).
 
2012-12-29 01:56:56 AM  

Mazzic518: JonZoidberg: eBay doesn't care. I wanted to get some rav4 cup holder inserts, and there is one seller who consistently sells them and uses shill accounts to drive up the prices.

Link

One bidder bid 17 times and they somehow didn't win. Look at the seller's other auctions. A lot of bids from accounts with low feedback ratings who seem to be excited about the item but not excited enough to win. I got tired of submitting these cases and gave up because nothing was done.

$43? ?? ?!!!    Are there no junkyards in your area?


One of their auctions ended for $17. I gave up watching a while ago but I wish I'd bid on that one. Another of theirs closed for $60! I think it's still cheaper than what Toyota wants but that's ridiculous. I almost always avoid eBay now. My last several purchases have been toys for my son. Thomas trains and hot wheels, banged up but made of metal and I pay below retail. eBay used to be a good place to buy stuff, now it's mostly storefronts charging retail or more.
 
2012-12-29 02:08:13 AM  

JonZoidberg: Mazzic518: JonZoidberg: eBay doesn't care. I wanted to get some rav4 cup holder inserts, and there is one seller who consistently sells them and uses shill accounts to drive up the prices.

Link

One bidder bid 17 times and they somehow didn't win. Look at the seller's other auctions. A lot of bids from accounts with low feedback ratings who seem to be excited about the item but not excited enough to win. I got tired of submitting these cases and gave up because nothing was done.

$43? ?? ?!!!    Are there no junkyards in your area?

One of their auctions ended for $17. I gave up watching a while ago but I wish I'd bid on that one. Another of theirs closed for $60! I think it's still cheaper than what Toyota wants but that's ridiculous. I almost always avoid eBay now. My last several purchases have been toys for my son. Thomas trains and hot wheels, banged up but made of metal and I pay below retail. eBay used to be a good place to buy stuff, now it's mostly storefronts charging retail or more.


If it was summer so I could wander my local junkyard I'd see if I could find you a couple cause that just seams way overpriced.
 
2012-12-29 02:16:42 AM  

Magorn: No the kind that gets the DEA raiding your house in SWAT gear and a dime in the Federal lock-up


So they caught him with a pound of marijuana?
 
2012-12-29 02:21:02 AM  

grinding_journalist: Should People Who Know The Seller Be Allowed To Place Bids?

Yes. Just because you know someone doesn't mean you are going to break the law for them.


Is there a law against placing bids on your own items (even if by proxy)? No one is really harmed by this. If the seller bids himself out of the market then he doesn't make any money off of his "sale". If a bidder still buys it for more than it would have cost without the shill, he still bought it at a price he offered.

It's really not that different from requiring a minimum bid.
 
2012-12-29 02:22:10 AM  

Mazzic518: JonZoidberg: Mazzic518: JonZoidberg: eBay doesn't care. I wanted to get some rav4 cup holder inserts, and there is one seller who consistently sells them and uses shill accounts to drive up the prices.

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One bidder bid 17 times and they somehow didn't win. Look at the seller's other auctions. A lot of bids from accounts with low feedback ratings who seem to be excited about the item but not excited enough to win. I got tired of submitting these cases and gave up because nothing was done.

$43? ?? ?!!!    Are there no junkyards in your area?

One of their auctions ended for $17. I gave up watching a while ago but I wish I'd bid on that one. Another of theirs closed for $60! I think it's still cheaper than what Toyota wants but that's ridiculous. I almost always avoid eBay now. My last several purchases have been toys for my son. Thomas trains and hot wheels, banged up but made of metal and I pay below retail. eBay used to be a good place to buy stuff, now it's mostly storefronts charging retail or more.

If it was summer so I could wander my local junkyard I'd see if I could find you a couple cause that just seams way overpriced.


I bought my rav used so I didn't get any. Since Toyota decided to ship only 1 with the most recent model years, the ones at local yards have been snapped up. It's only an annoyance part of the time so I have all but given up. I'm not paying what they're asking.
 
2012-12-29 02:27:05 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: They need to get rid of hiding a bidder's maximum bid. How am I supposed to know what to bid to outbid someone else when they do that? For example, I do a search, see an item I like, the auction is ending soon, I put in a bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in another bid, immediately get "you have been outbid," I put in a 3rd bid and get "this has been won by someone else"

How an I supposed to outbid someone else when I don't know what their true bid is?

Someone doesn't know how eBay works. Put in your true highest bid and go have a beer. Let the system decide who's highest bid is higher.


Who wants to pay, for example, $25 for an item that they could have got for $18? If a brick and mortar store didn't display their true prices, requiring customers to keep guessing at the price only to keep being told "That's not enough to buy it, you need to go higher," nobody would want to shop there.
 
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