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(Fox News)   Japan has tons of plutonium, and plans to reprocess nuclear waste to make more. Of course, it has no actual use for the plutonium, other than creating bigger and better movie monsters in Tokyo Bay   (foxnews.com) divider line 77
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2012-12-28 02:21:01 AM
Access to plutonium and the tech to use it effectively is a good deterrent.
 
2012-12-28 03:02:11 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Access to plutonium and the tech to use it effectively is a good deterrent.


Um...... I think thats why the US Armed forces are still there. I could use plutonium very effectively with a model rocket, or even just dumping it into a water supply. Thank your gods I have no desire to do such a thing, and that it is well guarded from those who do.
 
2012-12-28 06:40:22 AM
seemes like tomwshting they could use as fujle. No?
 
2012-12-28 06:43:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: seemes like tomwshting they could use as fujle. No?


yer bed- go to drunk .
 
2012-12-28 09:48:50 AM
you can use plutonium as part of the fuel for a nuke reactor.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 10:36:37 AM

WhyteRaven74: you can use plutonium as part of the fuel for a nuke reactor.


Mutant dinosaurs are much cooler.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:04 AM
www.scifinow.co.uk

(and Godzuki)
 
2012-12-28 12:09:02 PM
Plutonium is by far the best element.
 
2012-12-28 12:09:05 PM
Wait! These plutonium monsters will have tentacles, right?
 
2012-12-28 12:10:24 PM
I'm betting they could make plutonium-flavored Pocky. Or glow-in-the-dark Ramen.
 
2012-12-28 12:11:22 PM
Last thing I need is a nuclear weapon with a sicker on the bottom that says " Made In Japan "
 
2012-12-28 12:12:29 PM
Last thing I need is a nuclear weapon with a sticker on the bottom that says " Made In Japan "

/thanks Chinese iPhone
 
2012-12-28 12:13:49 PM
I wasn't aware we had dropped so many bombs on them... wasn't it just the 2?
 
2012-12-28 12:13:55 PM
Reprocessing spent fuel is a great way of making more efficient use of it, reducing the need to mine fuel or dispose of waste. Both huge pluses for the environment. You'd think people would be all for it.

Unfortunately, Jimmy Carter has his knickers in a twist over the risk of nuclear proliferation and did his best to make nuclear power us unsafe and uneconomical as possible.
 
2012-12-28 12:15:47 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Access to plutonium and the tech to use it effectively is a good deterrent.


Tom Clancy gives approving nod
 
2012-12-28 12:16:22 PM
they plan on destroying dolphin and whale.
 
2012-12-28 12:16:51 PM

alienated: Arthur Jumbles: Access to plutonium and the tech to use it effectively is a good deterrent.

Um...... I think thats why the US Armed forces are still there. I could use plutonium very effectively with a model rocket, or even just dumping it into a water supply. Thank your gods I have no desire to do such a thing, and that it is well guarded from those who do.


There's no guarantee that the U.S. will always be there, and being well armed with nuclear weapons is a good deterrent against China. While Japan can't match China in a military build up, and has no desire to do so, having enough nuclear weapons to be able to devestate China, or any other attacker, is cheap and easy in comparison to full militarization.
 
2012-12-28 12:17:05 PM
Learn to swim.
 
2012-12-28 12:19:21 PM
Little use? One of the most politically and monetarily valuable substances in the history of mankind? Subby must not be considering the fact that money exists..
 
2012-12-28 12:22:39 PM
Oh, for fark's sake, it's fuel for nuclear reactors. France has been doing it for decades.
 
2012-12-28 12:23:16 PM
As long as they don't start buying up property on Guam we are probably OK.  Probably.
 
2012-12-28 12:24:38 PM
Nuclear weapons in Japan worry me. I mean, come on, who is the FIRST person they are going to go after? Maybe the perpetrators of a certain "incident" during WWII?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 12:25:59 PM

JesseL: Reprocessing spent fuel is a great way of making more efficient use of it, reducing the need to mine fuel or dispose of waste. Both huge pluses for the environment. You'd think people would be all for it.

Unfortunately, Jimmy Carter has his knickers in a twist over the risk of nuclear proliferation and did his best to make nuclear power us unsafe and uneconomical as possible.


Well, it does have some unfortunate side effects if it gets stolen. That's why people are interested in Thorium reactor fuel.
 
2012-12-28 12:29:28 PM
Is this the same type of enrichment that Iran is (legally) attempting?

/not trolling
 
2012-12-28 12:29:55 PM
Anything that brings "Pacific Rim" closer to reality is good with me.
 
2012-12-28 12:30:59 PM

DeathCipris: Nuclear weapons in Japan worry me. I mean, come on, who is the FIRST person they are going to go after? Maybe the perpetrators of a certain "incident" during WWII?


NOT.
Every one who knows anything about japan knows who they hate more than bad sushi.
China, and north Korea.
Those two have been trading nasty words for years.
 
2012-12-28 12:31:05 PM
No actual use for plutonium, huh?

rolls eyes ... shakes head ... goes back to work.
 
2012-12-28 12:32:39 PM
But in 1955, it was a little hard to come by.
 
2012-12-28 12:33:02 PM

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, it's fuel for nuclear reactors. France has been doing it for decades.


According to TFA, Japan can't seem to get that kind of reactor to work.
 
2012-12-28 12:33:26 PM
As long as they don't get ahold of an ludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator we will be all set.
 
2012-12-28 12:36:59 PM
You could use the Plutonium as nuclear batteries to power Japanese sex toys for about 50 years...
 
2012-12-28 12:37:08 PM
stevenvictx: DeathCipris: Nuclear weapons in Japan worry me. I mean, come on, who is the FIRST person they are going to go after? Maybe the perpetrators of a certain "incident" during WWII?

NOT.
Every one who knows anything about japan knows who they hate more than bad sushi.
China, and north Korea.
Those two have been trading nasty words for years.


Years? More like centuries.
 
2012-12-28 12:38:04 PM
Well color me surprised, a nuclear program ending in failure? Grandiose plans for "next generation" reactors ending up impossible to create, and costing society a fortune?

Sounds about par for the nuclear industry. At this point, you'd have to be an idiot to support it.
 
2012-12-28 12:38:21 PM
they could also used it to power the giant robots they will need to build to defeat the bigger and better movie monsters they created in Tokyo Bay.

25.media.tumblr.com

and of course North Korea...
 
2012-12-28 12:38:41 PM
www.profilesinhistory.com

Perfect use of plutonium

/how am I the first one?
 
2012-12-28 12:40:14 PM

SirGunslinger: You could use the Plutonium as nuclear batteries to power Japanese sex toys for about 50 years...


GIS Glow in the Dark Pussy and look what you get...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-28 12:40:30 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
Plutonium you say?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 12:42:00 PM
GAMERA IS FRIEND TO ALL CHILDREN!
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

And he's full of meat.
 
2012-12-28 12:42:06 PM

richlw: [www.profilesinhistory.com image 460x300]

Perfect use of plutonium

/how am I the first one?


fark me.
 
2012-12-28 12:42:29 PM

DeathCipris: Nuclear weapons in Japan worry me. I mean, come on, who is the FIRST person they are going to go after? Maybe the perpetrators of a certain "incident" during WWII?


You mean the Rape of Nanking? That was all Japan. They should be thankful the Chicoms haven't nuked Tokyo for shiats and giggles over that
 
2012-12-28 12:42:30 PM

Hoopy Frood: But in 1955, it was a little hard to come by


You mean it wasn't available in any corner drugstore?
 
2012-12-28 12:44:39 PM

Latinwolf: stevenvictx: DeathCipris: Nuclear weapons in Japan worry me. I mean, come on, who is the FIRST person they are going to go after? Maybe the perpetrators of a certain "incident" during WWII?

NOT.
Every one who knows anything about japan knows who they hate more than bad sushi.
China, and north Korea.
Those two have been trading nasty words for years.

Years? More like centuries.


Centuries? More like millennia .
 
2012-12-28 12:47:29 PM
If we all had plutonium, we'd all be safer.

Right?
 
2012-12-28 12:49:12 PM

NewWorldDan: Hoopy Frood: But in 1955, it was a little hard to come by

You mean it wasn't available in any corner drugstore?


www.trademarkia.com
 
2012-12-28 12:51:45 PM
It can't be a coincidence that this story runs the day after the story stating that war between Japan and China this year looks quite probable.
 
2012-12-28 12:57:13 PM
So why aren't we putting sanctions on Japan if they're producing plutonium with no other purpose than making weapons.  Oh right, because we like them.

Sorry can't resist the obvious troll comment.  Seriously though, instead of wasting so much money on things like wind and solar we should put our real money into Thorium reactor research.  Not only does it seem to be a more practical short term answer but would do a bunch of things.

a. allows us retire conventional reactors that make more waste are dangerous and as a side effect create fuel for nuclear bombs. (Thorium doesn't do any of those)
b. Buys more time to work the kinks out of wind and solar power.
c."Hey Iran and North Korea. Here's how you make a Thorium reactor. Your energy problems are solved now stop making plutonium or we'll send some of our surplus over via cruise missile."
 
2012-12-28 12:59:05 PM
 
2012-12-28 12:59:22 PM
The nuclear derp runs strong in this thread.
 
2012-12-28 01:10:16 PM

lohphat: If we all had plutonium, we'd all be safer.

Right?


Each principal should be armed with plutonium. That will keep our children safer.
 
2012-12-28 01:17:22 PM

d23: GAMERA IS FRIEND TO ALL CHILDREN!


...but God help you if you're a teen-ager...
 
2012-12-28 01:18:53 PM
ani.me

Has an actual use for plutonium.
 
2012-12-28 01:24:13 PM

dbirchall: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, it's fuel for nuclear reactors. France has been doing it for decades.

According to TFA, Japan can't seem to get that kind of reactor to work.



For some reason, the Japanese have difficulty getting complex, large systems to work properly. They're great with small stuff like electronics. But their space program has had a ton of failures involving rather basic things, the nuclear program has had a lot of set backs, covered up accidents and falsified records. I don't know, maybe it's a cultural thing where it's hard to report and admit problems that could result in a failure - seen as deeply shameful rather than a routine part of creating and operating a complex system.
 
2012-12-28 01:28:35 PM
I think I read this book....Ferguson sings Finnegans wake at the end while popping his thyroid pill.

/bond, larry bond
 
2012-12-28 01:39:18 PM
I need enough to make sixteen bombs, for my "nuclear pack of firecrackers" experiment.
 
2012-12-28 01:39:25 PM

alienated: Arthur Jumbles: Access to plutonium and the tech to use it effectively is a good deterrent.

Um...... I think thats why the US Armed forces are still there. I could use plutonium very effectively with a model rocket, or even just dumping it into a water supply. Thank your gods I have no desire to do such a thing, and that it is well guarded from those who do.


You have plutonium?
 
2012-12-28 01:46:41 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: seemes like tomwshting they could use as fujle. No?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-28 01:55:24 PM

JesseL: Reprocessing spent fuel is a great way of making more efficient use of it, reducing the need to mine fuel or dispose of waste. Both huge pluses for the environment. You'd think people would be all for it.

Unfortunately, Jimmy Carter has his knickers in a twist over the risk of nuclear proliferation and did his best to make nuclear power us unsafe and uneconomical as possible.


Not sure if stupid or just trolling. Carter issued an executive order banning reprocessing, which was promptly reversed by Reagen (hallowed be his name) in 1981. The reason the US nuclear industry does not reprocess fuel is that new fuel is cheaper.
 
2012-12-28 01:58:48 PM

DeathCipris: Nuclear weapons in Japan worry me. I mean, come on, who is the FIRST person they are going to go after? Maybe the perpetrators of a certain "incident" during WWII?


Been saying it for years. You know a people who suffered beyond the telling will sooner or later come across the word 'revenge' and had the meaning translated. We're so farked. One o these day a few million  billion people who the red white and blue has farked with is going to have a friendly brunch behind locked doors and brother lock the gate, we're just so farked.
 
2012-12-28 02:01:10 PM
Maybe Japan can get Manchukuo back up and running.
 
2012-12-28 02:05:53 PM
They'll never get over Manchukuo
 
2012-12-28 02:07:27 PM
www.soundonsight.org
3.bp.blogspot.com

The Host was a cool movie.
 
2012-12-28 02:11:03 PM
Maybe the isotopes are wrong but I thought NASA was complaining about a lack of Plutonium for future RTGs to power new craft. Seems like this would be a good source and chances are Japan would prefer their Plutonium heading off into space for science rather than on the tip of a missile.
 
2012-12-28 02:42:12 PM
Japan, being under new leadership, is running the Cabal out of the country. Japan and any other country that is working against the Cabal will be painted as an enemy in western Cabal-controlled 'news'.

Research the FED, the BIS and LIBOR. If you don't know any of those abbreviations, the origins of the organizations, or the power structure of those organizations, then you have no idea what the fark you are talking about.

GO LEARN IT.
 
2012-12-28 02:43:24 PM

DeathCipris: Nuclear weapons in Japan worry me. I mean, come on, who is the FIRST person they are going to go after? Maybe the perpetrators of a certain "incident" during WWII?


Why do you have to drag the Germans into this? They made a few mistakes and they're sorry.
 
2012-12-28 02:51:12 PM
LT_Ryan, you are mostly correct. We were getting the plutonium from Russia but they have stopped production of that particular form, and there *will* be a future shortage of RTG fuel for space probes. I too think this could be a good business model for Japanese cooperation with international space projects. I am also on the Thorium bandwagon, and you can use a thorium reactor to, in a manner of speaking, "incinerate" nuclear waste (speeding up it's decay) while also generating power. Eventually, your waste is mostly gone and you're running on all thorium. What waste is left has a much more manageable half-life.
 
2012-12-28 03:12:16 PM
There are only three isotopes that can be used in reactors/bombs, plutonium 239, uranium 233 and of course uranium 235 which was used originally. Uranium 238 is the most powerful because it doesn't self detonate but you need high energy fusion explosion neutrons to detonate it and for that you need one of 3 isotope fission bombs to start the fusion reaction. Since Japan has nuclear reactors starting up a uranium 233 breeder which starts with thorium activated by fission neutrons would have been their best bet. The US had one but it got quashed by the nuclear industry which wants to sell every nuclear reactor about $50,000,000 per year in fuel to keep them running and feeding a thorium->233U costs about $10,000 per year.
 
2012-12-28 03:35:27 PM
Japan has always been at the top of the list of countries under the heading of "can develop nuclear weapons whenever they decide to do so" for this exact reason. All that processed plutonium and nothing to do with it, except hang onto just in case they can develop a Pu-fueled reactor.

The only thing Japan lacks to create nuclear weapons is the political will to do so.  A misfiring ballistic missile fired from NK, or any kind of nuclear threat from that country, and the political will would show up very quickly.
 
2012-12-28 03:49:55 PM
Lunch time!
 
2012-12-28 04:41:16 PM

Brick-House: they could also used it to power the giant robots they will need to build to defeat the bigger and better movie monsters they created in Tokyo Bay.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x372]

and of course North Korea...


...is that....Combattler V? When did that happen?
 
2012-12-28 04:53:39 PM

Bendal: The only thing Japan lacks to create nuclear weapons is the political will to do so. A misfiring ballistic missile fired from NK, or any kind of nuclear threat from that country, and the political will would show up very quickly.


I posit that any first would country with a domestic nuclear industry could produce nuclear weapons in about six months. Otherwise it'll take them a year. Mexico or Brazil could develop nuclear weapons in probably 18-24 months, faster if they were scared sh*tless.
 
2012-12-28 04:54:08 PM

wolfdaddy74701: It can't be a coincidence that this story runs the day after the story stating that war between Japan and China this year looks quite probable.



A Sino-Japanese war would have the world slanting towards near-permanent economic depression.
 
2012-12-28 04:55:28 PM

dj_spanmaster: Latinwolf: stevenvictx: DeathCipris: Nuclear weapons in Japan worry me. I mean, come on, who is the FIRST person they are going to go after? Maybe the perpetrators of a certain "incident" during WWII?

NOT.
Every one who knows anything about japan knows who they hate more than bad sushi.
China, and north Korea.
Those two have been trading nasty words for years.

Years? More like centuries.

Centuries? More like millennia .


farm2.staticflickr.com

Behold the Mimizuka ("Ear Mound"), a repository in Kyoto for the sliced ears and noses of approximately 38,000 Koreans killed during the two Japanese invasions of Korea in the 1590s. "Nasty words" is putting the depth of enmity VERY lightly.
 
2012-12-28 05:19:31 PM
Dude, "movie monsters" is not the preferred nomenclature.

"Kaiju", please.

/the movie monsters are not the issue here
 
2012-12-28 09:35:03 PM
We actually need lots more plutonium for deep space probes/rovers. There's a global shortage of it available to non-military projects.
 
2012-12-29 01:50:48 AM

another cultural observer: wolfdaddy74701: It can't be a coincidence that this story runs the day after the story stating that war between Japan and China this year looks quite probable.


A Sino-Japanese war would have the world slanting towards near-permanent economic depression.


What you did there, I see it...
 
2012-12-29 04:14:37 PM

Bendal: Japan has always been at the top of the list of countries under the heading of "can develop nuclear weapons whenever they decide to do so" for this exact reason. All that processed plutonium and nothing to do with it, except hang onto just in case they can develop a Pu-fueled reactor.

The only thing Japan lacks to create nuclear weapons is the political will to do so.  A misfiring ballistic missile fired from NK, or any kind of nuclear threat from that country, and the political will would show up very quickly.


Yes, and the US very much wants to keep it that way (able to make nukes quickly if the US decides they should, that is). The US is also putting pressure on Japan not to abandon nuclear power, and to at least reinterpret the constitution to allow "regional self-defense" (current legal precedent doesn't allow it). US is happy for an armed Japan as long as Japan will only be the US's little butt brother.
 
2012-12-29 11:23:41 PM

itazurakko: US is happy for an armed Japan as long as Japan will only be the US's little butt brother.


Yup. Although Okinawa is increasingly tired of aways being on the receiving end.
 
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