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2012-12-28 11:35:08 AM  

KimNorth: Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?


JFK
 
2012-12-28 11:35:59 AM  
Huck Chaser:

A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.

Agreed.

And this thread is a good way to bring attention to America's need for socialized medicine including mental health care.
 
2012-12-28 11:37:25 AM  
Best part? This is just a glimpse of what's to come. Fiscal cliff! Massive spending cuts are on the way. Unemployment up. Drug use and drug related crimes up. The locked doors in prisons and mental institutions are being replaced with revolving ones. Police officers and their hours are going to be cut back. Your local news will open with breaking news about gang violence every night, except when a white guy goes off at work or in a bell tower, or some kid brandishes a weapon at show and tell.
We're F'ed. Good luck out there.
not really. But as a wise man says every day after each show:
Take care of yourselves. And each other.
 
2012-12-28 11:38:25 AM  

THX 1138: SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.

Last I checked, the perpetrator in this case is unidentified. But thanks for the clearly researched and cited declaration of her mental health, doctor.


I Believe you have delusional problems...do you often think random people are doctors???
 
2012-12-28 11:39:02 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: Time to ban subway trains

Is there one person here who doubts for one farking second that 10,000 annual deaths from subway mishaps would result in significant safety reforms?

Just one person. Go ahead, raise your hand and let's see who you are. Subby, you?  Anybody at all?


Not one of those 10,000 incidents involved 20 6-year-olds so no one cares. Apparently you have to have a mass murder of young children before anyone will stand up for something. Farking hypocrites.
 
2012-12-28 11:39:23 AM  

ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.


This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:

www.bowzmart.com
 
2012-12-28 11:40:43 AM  

Magorn: Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.

I like guns too but I'm having a hard time sticking up for them because of the utter infantility of some of the most outspoken anti-control arguments that seem to be floating around the web. Guns are uniquely dangerous items because they are WEAPONS- ie tools whose DESIGNED PURPOSE is to kill things. Masses of shoolchildren, theatregoers or random citizens being shot dead on a regular basis is an utterly unacceptable outcome in a civilized society. So, either we're going to have to make these weapons that facilitate these slaughters harder to come by generally, or we're going to have to do something about spotting and identifying those most likely to misuse them this way and treating/controlling them before they act.

And Frankly, it seems to me the onus is on YOU guys this time to come up with a solution, not to whine like crybabaies about how mean the rest of us are being by trying to take away your preciouses


Aw Fark off!
 
2012-12-28 11:42:31 AM  

InfrasonicTom: We need more GOD in our subway stations.


To be fair the lady who pushed the guy did say she was Jesus.
 
2012-12-28 11:44:40 AM  
ongbok:
[...]

[A]s of August there had only been 6 rail deaths in Chicago. and 9 in 2011, 10 deaths in 2010 and six deaths in 2009.

And just about all of them have been contributed to people playing around on the tracks and getting electrocuted, suicide or drunks falling on the tracks.I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.


You have to be crazy to live in New York City. It's a jungle up there.
 
2012-12-28 11:45:39 AM  

spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


A study done during the 1990s, by Univ. of Syracuse IIRC, divided the homeless into 3 groups roughly equal in size (out of an est. population fo 500,000 to 800,000 not the millions some claimed at the time) .

1/3 were t temporary homeless (90 days or less) 1/3 actually chose the hobo lifestyle. It was how they wanted to live. the final group was mostly made up of the mentally ill and those with various addictions.
 
2012-12-28 11:48:04 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: The suspect was mumbling to herself incoherently and pacing around. So she was an annoying NPC from Assassin's Creed?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x360]


"What this train needs... is an assassin"

I knew those commercials would do this. BAN TV!
 
2012-12-28 11:48:45 AM  
My attempts to get some wordplay in this thread have been completely derailed.
 
2012-12-28 11:49:11 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: Time to ban subway trains

Is there one person here who doubts for one farking second that 10,000 annual deaths from subway mishaps would result in significant safety reforms?


In the USA? That would cost money. If they won't pay for "socialist" mental health care why would they pay for "socialist" measures like that?

On the other hand bombing Iran would be fun.
 
2012-12-28 11:49:15 AM  
Or we could still just ban all Arms.
 
2012-12-28 11:49:28 AM  

Cornelius Dribble: tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

[cdn0.sbnation.com image 640x478]

It's my understanding that those are only on the Jubilee Line. The majority of London Underground platforms are as unprotected as New York's.

Installing platform edge doors in the busiest subway stations would prevent people from accidentally falling onto the tracks from crowded platforms, but somebody can jump or be pushed from any platform whatsoever. Safety measures are a lot more cost-efficient than security measures.


How old is that line? My guess is that newer lines, lines built in the last 20 or 30 years would have the safety doors and be fully automated. However if most of London's commuter rail system is like New york or Chicago's, most of the lines were built 60-100 years ago and crammed into very small places without any thought of future upgrades. This makes it very hard, and almost impossible in some places to add all of these safety features or even automation. Then just imagine the cost of fully updating a 100 year old line if it is even possible. You can't even get politicians to fix bridges that are falling apart, how do you think you will get them to fund this?
 
2012-12-28 11:50:06 AM  
New York Is one of those places that makes me ask why Florida is singled out for its own tag on Fark. People in New York are being shoved in front of subways but are protected from the danger of large soft drinks and trans fats.
 
2012-12-28 11:50:24 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Huck Chaser:

A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.

Agreed.

And this thread is a good way to bring attention to America's need for socialized medicine including mental health care.


Commie! Why do you hate America? If I want to die on the streets muttering to myself I have the freedom to do so!
 
2012-12-28 11:54:53 AM  

spman: Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


If they are posting on Fark, they should probably be locked up.

You do realize that's one of the things psychiatry and neuroscience are constantly working on? Or that most of them, like most non-'crazy' people, aren't dangerous? I mean, why focus on the 'crazy' people. If you can figure out which people are dangerous and which aren't, let's put the dangerous ones away. There are plenty of wife-beaters, lawyers and politicians out there who may not be 'crazy' but who are plenty dangerous. Forget due process. Let's get the Division of Thought Crimes on this.
 
2012-12-28 11:55:34 AM  

ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.


Curious. So when they have the quadrennial world sporting event and have a biathalon, how do they
get people to stand as target. Perhaps killing humans is distasteful, and they just use slugs or something?
 
2012-12-28 11:56:48 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns

Shooter stooped after wounding three. I think they had enough guns.


Are ya sure? Cause FOX News and the NRA both assured me that just having guns would have stopped the shooting before it started!
 
2012-12-28 11:57:19 AM  

wxboy: Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!

The solution already exists:  platform screen doors.


Every subway platform I've been to in Seoul uses screens at the platform that open alongside the subway cars' doors. I don't know why we don't have them, and why there are no plans to install things like these when people using subways to murder people is easily preventable.
 
2012-12-28 11:57:21 AM  

ongbok: Cornelius Dribble: tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

[cdn0.sbnation.com image 640x478]

It's my understanding that those are only on the Jubilee Line. The majority of London Underground platforms are as unprotected as New York's.

Installing platform edge doors in the busiest subway stations would prevent people from accidentally falling onto the tracks from crowded platforms, but somebody can jump or be pushed from any platform whatsoever. Safety measures are a lot more cost-efficient than security measures.

How old is that line? My guess is that newer lines, lines built in the last 20 or 30 years would have the safety doors and be fully automated. However if most of London's commuter rail system is like New york or Chicago's, most of the lines were built 60-100 years ago and crammed into very small places without any thought of future upgrades. This makes it very hard, and almost impossible in some places to add all of these safety features or even automation. Then just imagine the cost of fully updating a 100 year old line if it is even possible. You can't even get politicians to fix bridges that are falling apart, how do you think you will get them to fund this?


You'd think. But take BART in the Bay Area. It opened in '72 and there isn't a glass partition or sliding door to be seen. Exposed platforms, just like in NYC's turn-of-the-(last!) century system.
 
2012-12-28 11:58:45 AM  

walkerhound: This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:
[www.bowzmart.com image 193x196]


So you were either practicing to kill living things, or you were playing with a toy. Both totally necessary and worth all the extraneous killing.

/Fark has become a lowest common denominator troll site. But whatever brings in the clicks, right, Drew?
 
2012-12-28 11:58:48 AM  
What we need are TSA checkpoints at all subway entrances.
 
2012-12-28 11:59:03 AM  
It's not just happening in NYC: On Kaua'i this week, a man is accused of pushing a female Japanese tourist off of a hiking trail.

Luckily she survived the fall down the mountain & was just released from the hospital.

The man is still on the loose. Kaua'i police closed the Kalalau Trailhead at Ke'e Beach & continue searching for the man, who some on the island have described as a tweaker.

Here's the story: http://thegardenisland.com/news/local/ article_70e228e0-50b5-11e2-a5b4- 001a4bcf887a.html
 
2012-12-28 12:00:34 PM  
You train nuts should just confess that you have no problem with this. A few deaths a year is a price you're willing to pay for mass transit.
 
2012-12-28 12:01:09 PM  

Mrbogey: You train nuts should just confess that you have no problem with this. A few deaths a year is a price you're willing to pay for mass transit.


Vs. how many per year in auto-related deaths?
 
2012-12-28 12:09:08 PM  

hasty ambush:

A study done during the 1990s, by Univ. of Syracuse IIRC, divided the homeless into 3 groups roughly equal in size (out of an est. population fo 500,000 to 800,000 not the millions some claimed at the time) .

1/3 were t temporary homeless (90 days or less) 1/3 actually chose the hobo lifestyle. It was how they wanted to live. the final group was mostly made up of the mentally ill and those with various addictions.


Never discount those who just give the fark up for financial reasons. Say your job gets outsourced after 20-odd years, and instead of sitting around watching TV you do everything possible to find a job and still can't get hired. Maybe your skill set is passe', maybe there's too much competition from youngsters they can pay much less. So you can't afford rent. And because your family & friends are in lousy fiscal shape themselves so they can't take you in. So you wind up on the streets, which makes it even harder to find work. (You try it.) And there are an awful lot of poor people around town, and you can't afford to move someplace else with any hope of getting a better deal, because being broke & hopeless in NYC ain't that much different from being very down on your luck in Denver or St. Louis. So you just give up and do the best you can with the hand you've got: if all you see any reason to care about anymore is just not dying yet then "the hobo lifestyle" ain't THAT bad, at least the Salvation Army will feed you and find you a coat.

You don't have to be crazy to be homeless, nor do you need to choose it. Sometimes it just happens.
 
2012-12-28 12:10:56 PM  

cryinoutloud: walkerhound: This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:
[www.bowzmart.com image 193x196]

So you were either practicing to kill living things, or you were playing with a toy. Both totally necessary and worth all the extraneous killing.

/Fark has become a lowest common denominator troll site. But whatever brings in the clicks, right, Drew?


I'm genuinely hurt.  Why should law-abiding citizens be punished for the actions of a few mentally deranged people?  What if Australian shepherds were unpredictably aggressive dogs and your town wanted to ban them.  I'm sure yours is just as sweet as can be, probably barks her head off at strangers but wouldn't hurt a fly.  But what if?
 
2012-12-28 12:13:38 PM  

devalt: colinspooky: ban pushers

Don't ban the pushers, they are victims too, the evil train coerced them to push.


Quick! Someone find a link to the Nina Simone version! God damn!
 
2012-12-28 12:13:54 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Citrate1007: spman:

[...]
Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.

That would require some sort of socialized medicine.

Dear Tea Partiers: This shows why "Obamacare" ain't socialist enough.


Unfortunately sociopaths are now considered a "personality disorder-antisocial"
They scare me the most and slip through the cracks
 
2012-12-28 12:17:34 PM  
We should ban New York.
 
2012-12-28 12:17:39 PM  

bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

[i306.photobucket.com image 383x230]


That GIF is really funny but your point is childish. It is time to ban trains. Trains kill. Time to ban all potential passengers standing on deck waiting for trains.
 
2012-12-28 12:18:48 PM  

Chinchillazilla: The One True TheDavid: Huck Chaser:

A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.

Agreed.

And this thread is a good way to bring attention to America's need for socialized medicine including mental health care.

Commie! Why do you hate America? If I want to die on the streets muttering to myself I have the freedom to do so!


Seriously: you should have the option to choose it or not.

If you're not bothering anybody and can take care of yourself reasonably well considering your circumstances "they" should leave you alone. But there should be programs set up to help people like you if you want it and outreach centers to let you know about it.

They don't HAVE to be taxpayer-funded, but as charitable donations decrease in tough times the Salvation Army can't do as much as it'd like. So divert money from the arms race (against what?) to take care of Americans.

Sorry if I don't find homelessness easy to joke about: I've been homeless, against my will so to speak, and it wasn't very funny.
 
2012-12-28 12:21:13 PM  

KimNorth: Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway?


Ronald Reagan's
 
2012-12-28 12:21:14 PM  
Worst assassin evar.
 
2012-12-28 12:24:12 PM  
This seems to be a problem that could be fixed quite easily with two hundred thousand dollars of chain link fence, a million and a half bucks to grease the mafia, and 2 billion dollars or so in Teamster labor.
 
2012-12-28 12:24:25 PM  

Magorn: Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.

I like guns too but I'm having a hard time sticking up for them because of the utter infantility of some of the most outspoken anti-control arguments that seem to be floating around the web. Guns are uniquely dangerous items because they are WEAPONS- ie tools whose DESIGNED PURPOSE is to kill things. Masses of shoolchildren, theatregoers or random citizens being shot dead on a regular basis is an utterly unacceptable outcome in a civilized society. So, either we're going to have to make these weapons that facilitate these slaughters harder to come by generally, or we're going to have to do something about spotting and identifying those most likely to misuse them this way and treating/controlling them before they act.

And Frankly, it seems to me the onus is on YOU guys this time to come up with a solution, not to whine like crybabaies about how mean the rest of us are being by trying to take away your preciouses


I agree that the X kills Y, ban Z is getting old and stupid.

What I don't agree with is using emotion to ban things. It's not sensible to take away things that statistically don't cause as much crime as other things.

Estimated number of guns in the US: 270,000,000 (various sources state this number)

Using 2011 data, let's swing the argument in your favor and say that 20,000,000 came into being in the US this year... (plus it gives us nice round numbers), so let's say in 2011, there were only 250,000,000 guns.

In 2011, all gun deaths reported were 32,163 (taken from the CDC data).

Again, to strengthen your argument, and weaken mine, let's say 1 gun was used for each of those gun deaths. (that way more of the evil guns are to blame)

So we have 32,163 guns out of 250,000,000 that killed someone. That's 0.013% of guns used to kill someone.

In 2009, it was reported that there were 352,810 gun-related crimes in the US. (Bureau of Justice Statistics). Let;s round that up (again strengthening your argument) to 375,000 for 2011. Again, let's assume they were all different guns.

So we have 375,000 out of 250,000,000 guns used in crimes. That's 0.15% of guns used in a crime.

Since a portion of those guns would be used in multiple crimes and/or deaths, the actual rates are lower.

You're looking for an overreaching solution to a very small (but significant) problem. It's not logical, it's emotional. Laws, restrictions, or any freedom reducing measure should NEVER be done out of a reaction to emotion. Otherwise we get pieces of trash like the PATRIOT Act.
 
2012-12-28 12:27:38 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: He was killed 2 times in a month... nice respawn.


I was thinking shiatty luck. I mean twice in the same month IN THE SAME BIZARRE WAY no less.
 
2012-12-28 12:27:39 PM  
Seriously? Not a single fat joke? Not one? What the hell happened to fark....
 
2012-12-28 12:28:39 PM  

Bontesla: bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

After all of this discourse - how the hell do people still not understand the argument?


People understand it, it's just very weak. How do you not understand bingethinker's counterpoint?
 
2012-12-28 12:29:15 PM  

willfullyobscure: well known FACT that trains are vital part of wild pig control efforts.


does anyone have the original wild pig thread saved somewhere?  that has now become a thing.  i was there when the wild pig meme was being born.  who was the person that advanced that theory?
 
2012-12-28 12:32:43 PM  
Why can't the train stop before reaching the platform and everyone has to jump to get to the train?
 
2012-12-28 12:33:50 PM  

kareninsf: Unfortunately sociopaths are now considered a "personality disorder-antisocial" prime CEO material.
They scare me the most and slip through the cracks


FTFY
 
2012-12-28 12:36:27 PM  

ongbok: I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.


While the physical sizes are similar, 7.5x more people take the NYC subway than Chicago's each year.
 
2012-12-28 12:38:07 PM  
nra response: guns for all subway riders.
 
2012-12-28 12:38:27 PM  
We need armed schoolteachers ready to shoot oncoming trains.
 
2012-12-28 12:39:32 PM  

walkerhound: ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.

This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:

[www.bowzmart.com image 193x196]


You monster! It was probably sitting around doing nothing, hoping to attract a mate with those colors. What did it do to you?
 
2012-12-28 12:41:07 PM  

INeedAName: NRA


Bite us
www.nrastore.com
 
2012-12-28 12:41:41 PM  
no civilian needs arms that powerful.
 
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