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(USA Today)   For the second time this month, a man is killed by being pushed in front of a subway train. Time to ban subway trains   (usatoday.com) divider line 218
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2012-12-28 11:10:38 AM
Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?
 
2012-12-28 11:10:53 AM
Amos Quito:

That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.

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2012-12-28 11:10:58 AM

SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.


That's too simplistic. Any petty criminal or child or menstruating woman or person with a hobby they get really excited about could be considered mentally ill, depending on the definition.
 
2012-12-28 11:11:03 AM

fastfxr: bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

Thank You.


Quite enough, Fark.


Time to ban dead horses.
 
2012-12-28 11:11:09 AM

SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.


Last I checked, the perpetrator in this case is unidentified. But thanks for the clearly researched and cited declaration of her mental health, doctor.
 
2012-12-28 11:12:12 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns


If only they had a subway platform to push the suspect off of
 
2012-12-28 11:13:08 AM

Amos Quito:

Lock up the crazies.

But how do you spot them?

Easy: Anyone who disagrees with my political opinions.


Touché, sir and/or ma'am.
 
2012-12-28 11:14:24 AM
Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.

I like guns too but I'm having a hard time sticking up for them because of the utter infantility of some of the most outspoken anti-control arguments that seem to be floating around the web. Guns are uniquely dangerous items because they are WEAPONS- ie tools whose DESIGNED PURPOSE is to kill things. Masses of shoolchildren, theatregoers or random citizens being shot dead on a regular basis is an utterly unacceptable outcome in a civilized society. So, either we're going to have to make these weapons that facilitate these slaughters harder to come by generally, or we're going to have to do something about spotting and identifying those most likely to misuse them this way and treating/controlling them before they act.

And Frankly, it seems to me the onus is on YOU guys this time to come up with a solution, not to whine like crybabaies about how mean the rest of us are being by trying to take away your preciouses
 
2012-12-28 11:14:40 AM
this is why you always stand in the center on the platform until the train pulls in. There is no need to be first
 
2012-12-28 11:15:05 AM
Are these subway trains made specifically so people can be pushed in front of them to be killed? Did the pushers have a nationwide advocacy group behind them strengthening the agenda of subway pushers?
 
2012-12-28 11:15:29 AM
There has to be a better way to grease the tracks.
 
2012-12-28 11:15:57 AM
Headline would make sense if this somehow allowe dyou to push 26 people to their deaths with little ability to fight back in a short period of time.
 
2012-12-28 11:16:07 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns

The man grabbed a gun and began firing. Three officers were hit before the suspect was shot and killed.


Looks like they did have more guns, and the problem was solved before he racked up more injuries. I say injuries because none of the officers died in that article.
 
2012-12-28 11:16:25 AM
We need more GOD in our subway stations.
 
2012-12-28 11:16:34 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: The suspect was mumbling to herself incoherently and pacing around. So she was an annoying NPC from Assassin's Creed?

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I remember those NPCs. The fastest, least troublesome way to get past them was to kill them. I thought that was an odd design decision considering the player-character's story is supposed to involve a redemption from his previous random slayings.
 
2012-12-28 11:16:36 AM
I've ridden trains and buses in Chicago every day for over 5 years, and I've only died twice in that entire time.
 
2012-12-28 11:17:07 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns


Shooter stooped after wounding three. I think they had enough guns.
 
2012-12-28 11:17:27 AM
A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.
 
2012-12-28 11:18:34 AM
If only the train and an AR-15
 
2012-12-28 11:18:43 AM
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Wanted for questioning
 
2012-12-28 11:18:47 AM
I am afraid of escalators now.
 
2012-12-28 11:19:49 AM

Magorn: Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.


And yet here we both are, having clicked our way into the comments section. When people get bored of this shiat, it will stop. Or they'll just make everyone pay the $5 for this kind of wit.
 
2012-12-28 11:20:06 AM

THX 1138: SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.

Last I checked, the perpetrator in this case is unidentified. But thanks for the clearly researched and cited declaration of her mental health, doctor.


FAFA:

Witnesses told investigators that the woman had been sitting alone on a bench, mumbling, but sometimes getting up to pace back and forth.
"She was acting weird and crazy," the source said.
 
2012-12-28 11:20:14 AM

Citrate1007: spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.

That would require some sort of socialized medicine.


Or going back in time and undoing what Reagan did, which will never, ever happen as long as Republicans keep worshiping him as a false idol. (especially since he increased government spending over what Carter did)
 
2012-12-28 11:20:41 AM

The One True TheDavid: Amos Quito:

That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.
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What do you say to a woman with no arms or legs?
//Nice tits!
 
2012-12-28 11:20:49 AM
Ban trains
 
2012-12-28 11:22:14 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns


Maybe if they had less guns everything would have been better
 
2012-12-28 11:22:35 AM
Tan brains.
 
2012-12-28 11:22:42 AM
well known FACT that trains are vital part of wild pig control efforts.
 
2012-12-28 11:23:05 AM

GORDON: SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.

That's too simplistic. Any petty criminal or child or menstruating woman or person with a hobby they get really excited about could be considered mentally ill, depending on the definition.


Can we lock these up? Just until they stop crying/screaming for no reason.
 
2012-12-28 11:23:08 AM
Does anyone know if he ate fresh?
 
2012-12-28 11:24:02 AM
I wonder if Bob Costas has anything to say about how these trains are killing people.
 
2012-12-28 11:24:32 AM

SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.


so ... you're saying we need to have stricter ledge control laws in subway tunnels?
 
2012-12-28 11:26:35 AM
A friend in NYC tells me she no longer stands on the platforms waiting for the train. She will either stand by steps leading down to the platform until the train comes, or, where the turnstile leads directly to the platform, wait by the turnstile and go through once the train is in the station. She says there are just too many crazies wandering the platforms and randomly bothering people these days.
 
2012-12-28 11:26:39 AM
If there was a good guy with a train, he could have run into the other train and stopped it from running over the victim. Sure, there might have been multiple injuries and/or fatalities, but that's just the price you pay.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:00 AM

factoryconnection: I love public transport, and subways most of all but these types of stories would stimulate my paranoia to the point that I'd be scanning the crowd constantly at any metro station looking for the random nutjob ready to push me or someone else over the edge. Then I'd be all out of position to get on the train. Freaking criminals! They ruin EVERYTHING.



I always stand with my back to the track until the train is passing behind me.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:39 AM
That 'll teach JayZ to ride the freakin Subway.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:43 AM
This is why I stay either close to the wall or in the middle of the platform if there's no wall. And people need to stop leaning over the platform to see if the train is coming. You looking for the light isn't going to make it come any faster (that's what she said).
 
2012-12-28 11:28:03 AM
This never would have happened if the platform was armed.
 
2012-12-28 11:29:11 AM

beefoe: I assumed that people being hit by subway trains was extremely rare, but according to New York's MTA, 147 people were struck by subway trains and 47 killed, just last year. Sounds like an inherently dangerous product to me.


That is odd. According to this article as of August there had only been 6 rail deaths in Chicago. and 9 in 2011, 10 deaths in 2010 and six deaths in 2009
And just about all of them have been contributed to people playing around on the tracks and getting electrocuted, suicide or drunks falling on the tracks.I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.
 
2012-12-28 11:29:12 AM
anyone have a vid clip of the suspect? or video? the link is not working on my machine for some reason.


as i said before this is my number one fear riding the trains everyday. the lil chinese women pushing you in so they can get a seat, the crazies sitting on bench behind youor just being pushed by someone for any reason. i always check behind me and stand back. ill stand, being first in line for a seat is not worth my life
 
2012-12-28 11:29:52 AM
next time someone pushes twenty 6-year-olds in front of a train at once, I'll call for banning trains.

Until then, proper regulation and monitoring is probably all that's needed
 
2012-12-28 11:30:02 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!


This kinda confuses me, too. In many other countries, you wait next to a wall with sliding doors. The train pulls up so its doors line up with the station's doors, then they both open. No one winds up on the tracks.
 
2012-12-28 11:30:06 AM

The One True TheDavid: Ban bare arms. Make everybody in the station wear those plastic ziptie handcuffs.


The second amendment gives us the right to bare arms.
 
2012-12-28 11:30:17 AM

monoski: The One True TheDavid: Amos Quito:

That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.
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What do you say to a woman with no arms or legs?

//Nice tits!


Bonus: You won't get slapped for saying so.
 
2012-12-28 11:32:38 AM

THX 1138: SlothB77:

the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.

Last I checked, the perpetrator in this case is unidentified. But thanks for the clearly researched and cited declaration of her mental health, doctor.


I'm against stigmatizing those who just think/act differently myself, but someone who, while walking around mumbling to herself, walks up to a stranger and kills him for no reason might justifiably be presumed to have "issues." Maybe M'Naghten won't apply but she's probably "just not right."

Back in the early '80s I was doing a three-day evaluation/vacation, simply talking to my lawyer on the payphone, when out of the blue a newer patient ran up behind me and neat me down pretty bad: his voices told him I was his mortal enemy and must be stopped NOW. Yet most people I knowingly piss off don't lift a finger against me let alone try to kill me, simply because they use rational judgment to decide it's not worth the trouble.

Maybe you'd prefer we breed Americans for total docility?
 
2012-12-28 11:33:43 AM

KimNorth: Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?


Pretty sure that would be Ronald Reagan.

\time to legalize hunting the mentally-ill for sport?
 
2012-12-28 11:34:10 AM

tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

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It's my understanding that those are only on the Jubilee Line. The majority of London Underground platforms are as unprotected as New York's.

Installing platform edge doors in the busiest subway stations would prevent people from accidentally falling onto the tracks from crowded platforms, but somebody can jump or be pushed from any platform whatsoever. Safety measures are a lot more cost-efficient than security measures.
 
2012-12-28 11:34:14 AM
Time to ban subway trains

Is there one person here who doubts for one farking second that 10,000 annual deaths from subway mishaps would result in significant safety reforms?

Just one person. Go ahead, raise your hand and let's see who you are. Subby, you?  Anybody at all?
 
2012-12-28 11:34:17 AM

Bontesla: bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

After all of this discourse - how the hell do people still not understand the argument?


geeesh, another person who is pro-subway death.
 
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