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(USA Today)   For the second time this month, a man is killed by being pushed in front of a subway train. Time to ban subway trains   (usatoday.com) divider line 218
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2012-12-28 01:03:19 AM  
Jack Mort wanted for questioning.
 
2012-12-28 01:17:45 AM  
Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.
 
2012-12-28 02:02:03 AM  
Time to ban subway trains

i306.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-28 02:14:11 AM  
I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!
 
2012-12-28 04:22:52 AM  
ban pushers
 
2012-12-28 06:48:04 AM  

bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains


After all of this discourse - how the hell do people still not understand the argument?
 
2012-12-28 07:57:13 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!


The solution already exists:  platform screen doors.
 
2012-12-28 09:47:30 AM  
the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.
 
2012-12-28 09:58:41 AM  
BAN 4-FOOT DROPS.
 
2012-12-28 10:04:01 AM  
in fact, you add the tucson guy and the miami face-eating guy, the one thing they all have in common is mental health issues.  When was the last time the suspect in one of these horrific national stories wasn't crazy?
 
2012-12-28 10:05:35 AM  
All subway riders should be armed with their own trains.
 
2012-12-28 10:18:36 AM  
The suspect was mumbling to herself incoherently and pacing around. So she was an annoying NPC from Assassin's Creed?

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-28 10:22:57 AM  
the video of the lady running is very grainy and very brief.  i think it is sufficient for someone who knows her well and knows her jacket to recognize her.  beyond a reasonable doubt?  no.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:51 AM  
Because this would cost money:

cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2012-12-28 10:52:50 AM  
Ban bare arms. Make everybody in the station wear those plastic ziptie handcuffs.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:07 AM  

I_C_Weener: All subway riders should be armed with their own trains.


Rename them assault rifles and the NRA will support it.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:48 AM  
If they would have been armed they could have just shot each other.....
 
2012-12-28 10:54:36 AM  
"It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry"

Bob
 
2012-12-28 10:54:38 AM  

spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


That would require some sort of socialized medicine.
 
2012-12-28 10:54:52 AM  

Bontesla: bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

After all of this discourse - how the hell do people still not understand the argument?


We call them trolls here on Fark
 
2012-12-28 10:55:09 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

[male robot voice]
Step away from the doors and away from the windows.
[/voice]

I was very upset when I went through Hartsfield a couple months ago and the voice was gone. But, to my knowledge, not one person has ever been pushed in front of those trains.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:21 AM  
I love public transport, and subways most of all but these types of stories would stimulate my paranoia to the point that I'd be scanning the crowd constantly at any metro station looking for the random nutjob ready to push me or someone else over the edge. Then I'd be all out of position to get on the train. Freaking criminals! They ruin EVERYTHING.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:26 AM  
He was killed 2 times in a month... nice respawn.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:36 AM  

colinspooky: ban pushers


You don`t have enough vision.

Ban people. Hell, ban life altogether!
www.internationalhero.co.uk
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 10:56:20 AM  
Submitteee is at home masturbating furiously over his wit.
 
2012-12-28 10:57:16 AM  
Every subway platform should have armed guards!
 
2012-12-28 10:57:24 AM  
Don't sleep in the subway darling.
 
2012-12-28 10:57:32 AM  

colinspooky: ban pushers


Don't ban the pushers, they are victims too, the evil train coerced them to push.
 
2012-12-28 10:57:58 AM  
Time to ban all arms, not just firearms.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 10:58:07 AM  

spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


This would cost money that could be going to a very worthy CEO for an 6th summer home!
 
2012-12-28 11:01:37 AM  
Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.
 
2012-12-28 11:01:47 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!


Sounds like the best idea here. My nuttier comrades should be able to get help, definitely, but remember that even people without serious mental health issues can push somebody in front of a train.

Since when do you have to be crazy to do some one-on-one population control?
 
2012-12-28 11:02:38 AM  
That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.
 
2012-12-28 11:05:11 AM  

INeedAName: I_C_Weener: All subway riders should be armed with their own trains.

Rename them assault rifles and the NRA will support it.


And Dianne Feinstein will write a bill to ban assault trains tomorrow.  Carolyn McCarthy will go on TV supporting Feinstein's ban and tell us how badly we need to reduce the passenger capacity of these assault cars to 10.  And when she's asked about banning the handrails inside the cars she won't even know what they are.
 
2012-12-28 11:05:18 AM  

Citrate1007: spman:

[...]
Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.

That would require some sort of socialized medicine.


Dear Tea Partiers: This shows why "Obamacare" ain't socialist enough.
 
2012-12-28 11:05:25 AM  

spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.



Excellent point. Lock up the crazies.

But how do you spot them?

Easy: Anyone who disagrees with my political opinions.
 
2012-12-28 11:06:20 AM  
If they lady that got pushed had her own train, this never would have happened.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:03 AM  

bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains


Thank You.


Quite enough, Fark.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:04 AM  

ultimabeam: ... because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.


It's worse than you think. Trains also kill time.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:34 AM  

Amos Quito: spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


Excellent point. Lock up the crazies.

But how do you spot them?

Easy: Anyone who disagrees with my political opinions.


Easy. Look for the guy who is laying on the hood of your car beating off in the middle of the winter.

/Long story.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:34 AM  
I heard the train had a bunch of 30 passenger cars, just waiting to unload on the next unsuspecting station.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:56 AM  
 
2012-12-28 11:08:22 AM  
Security footage of the suspect:
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-28 11:09:15 AM  
We need armed teachers on every platform!
 
2012-12-28 11:09:47 AM  

tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

[cdn0.sbnation.com image 640x478]


New York has a LOT of subway stations and no money.
 
2012-12-28 11:09:50 AM  
If we all carried guns this would never happen. We could just shoot people instead of pushing them. This isn't rocket science, people!
 
2012-12-28 11:10:05 AM  
I assumed that people being hit by subway trains was extremely rare, but according to New York's MTA, 147 people were struck by subway trains and 47 killed, just last year. Sounds like an inherently dangerous product to me.
 
2012-12-28 11:10:20 AM  
This discussion needs to get on track.
 
2012-12-28 11:10:34 AM  
I suddenly find myself thinking about the time I saw a homeless man having a fight with a tree. The tree looked like it was doing well and standing up for itself but it just didn't have the speed to land any punches.

Anyway, mental illness is a touchy subject. Mainly because I suspect a lot of the people in the industry are mentally ill themselves, either via natural anomalies or reaction to things.
 
2012-12-28 11:10:35 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!


Because you deserve at least one sincere answer:

The vast majority of the NYC subway system was built out before any rule like that was likely in place, and between labor costs, the sheer amount of stations, the 24-hour nature of the system making maintenance a right biatch, and station size it's legitimately a big ask of a constantly cash-strapped bureaucracy.

Also, the trains aren't automated, and you're asking a lot - A LOT - of your average subway train conductor to line up the train just so that the doors open at pre-determined spots on the platform.

For all the praise NYC gets for its embracing of mass transit, we're pretty far behind. Our signal system is still largely 50+ years old with only about 7 lines getting upgraded to something that allows any kind of real-time tracking. So what happens? People lean over the platform to see if a train is coming.

/ I think many are starting to think twice with all these stories cropping up.
// I know I am.
 
2012-12-28 11:10:38 AM  
Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?
 
2012-12-28 11:10:53 AM  
Amos Quito:

That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-28 11:10:58 AM  

SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.


That's too simplistic. Any petty criminal or child or menstruating woman or person with a hobby they get really excited about could be considered mentally ill, depending on the definition.
 
2012-12-28 11:11:03 AM  

fastfxr: bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

Thank You.


Quite enough, Fark.


Time to ban dead horses.
 
2012-12-28 11:11:09 AM  

SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.


Last I checked, the perpetrator in this case is unidentified. But thanks for the clearly researched and cited declaration of her mental health, doctor.
 
2012-12-28 11:12:12 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns


If only they had a subway platform to push the suspect off of
 
2012-12-28 11:13:08 AM  

Amos Quito:

Lock up the crazies.

But how do you spot them?

Easy: Anyone who disagrees with my political opinions.


Touché, sir and/or ma'am.
 
2012-12-28 11:14:24 AM  
Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.

I like guns too but I'm having a hard time sticking up for them because of the utter infantility of some of the most outspoken anti-control arguments that seem to be floating around the web. Guns are uniquely dangerous items because they are WEAPONS- ie tools whose DESIGNED PURPOSE is to kill things. Masses of shoolchildren, theatregoers or random citizens being shot dead on a regular basis is an utterly unacceptable outcome in a civilized society. So, either we're going to have to make these weapons that facilitate these slaughters harder to come by generally, or we're going to have to do something about spotting and identifying those most likely to misuse them this way and treating/controlling them before they act.

And Frankly, it seems to me the onus is on YOU guys this time to come up with a solution, not to whine like crybabaies about how mean the rest of us are being by trying to take away your preciouses
 
2012-12-28 11:14:40 AM  
this is why you always stand in the center on the platform until the train pulls in. There is no need to be first
 
2012-12-28 11:15:05 AM  
Are these subway trains made specifically so people can be pushed in front of them to be killed? Did the pushers have a nationwide advocacy group behind them strengthening the agenda of subway pushers?
 
2012-12-28 11:15:29 AM  
There has to be a better way to grease the tracks.
 
2012-12-28 11:15:57 AM  
Headline would make sense if this somehow allowe dyou to push 26 people to their deaths with little ability to fight back in a short period of time.
 
2012-12-28 11:16:07 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns

The man grabbed a gun and began firing. Three officers were hit before the suspect was shot and killed.


Looks like they did have more guns, and the problem was solved before he racked up more injuries. I say injuries because none of the officers died in that article.
 
2012-12-28 11:16:25 AM  
We need more GOD in our subway stations.
 
2012-12-28 11:16:34 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: The suspect was mumbling to herself incoherently and pacing around. So she was an annoying NPC from Assassin's Creed?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x360]


I remember those NPCs. The fastest, least troublesome way to get past them was to kill them. I thought that was an odd design decision considering the player-character's story is supposed to involve a redemption from his previous random slayings.
 
2012-12-28 11:16:36 AM  
I've ridden trains and buses in Chicago every day for over 5 years, and I've only died twice in that entire time.
 
2012-12-28 11:17:07 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns


Shooter stooped after wounding three. I think they had enough guns.
 
2012-12-28 11:17:27 AM  
A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.
 
2012-12-28 11:18:34 AM  
If only the train and an AR-15
 
2012-12-28 11:18:43 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
Wanted for questioning
 
2012-12-28 11:18:47 AM  
I am afraid of escalators now.
 
2012-12-28 11:19:49 AM  

Magorn: Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.


And yet here we both are, having clicked our way into the comments section. When people get bored of this shiat, it will stop. Or they'll just make everyone pay the $5 for this kind of wit.
 
2012-12-28 11:20:06 AM  

THX 1138: SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.

Last I checked, the perpetrator in this case is unidentified. But thanks for the clearly researched and cited declaration of her mental health, doctor.


FAFA:

Witnesses told investigators that the woman had been sitting alone on a bench, mumbling, but sometimes getting up to pace back and forth.
"She was acting weird and crazy," the source said.
 
2012-12-28 11:20:14 AM  

Citrate1007: spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.

That would require some sort of socialized medicine.


Or going back in time and undoing what Reagan did, which will never, ever happen as long as Republicans keep worshiping him as a false idol. (especially since he increased government spending over what Carter did)
 
2012-12-28 11:20:41 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Amos Quito:

That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 298x299]


What do you say to a woman with no arms or legs?
//Nice tits!
 
2012-12-28 11:20:49 AM  
Ban trains
 
2012-12-28 11:22:14 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns


Maybe if they had less guns everything would have been better
 
2012-12-28 11:22:35 AM  
Tan brains.
 
2012-12-28 11:22:42 AM  
well known FACT that trains are vital part of wild pig control efforts.
 
2012-12-28 11:23:05 AM  

GORDON: SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.

That's too simplistic. Any petty criminal or child or menstruating woman or person with a hobby they get really excited about could be considered mentally ill, depending on the definition.


Can we lock these up? Just until they stop crying/screaming for no reason.
 
2012-12-28 11:23:08 AM  
Does anyone know if he ate fresh?
 
2012-12-28 11:24:02 AM  
I wonder if Bob Costas has anything to say about how these trains are killing people.
 
2012-12-28 11:24:32 AM  

SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.


so ... you're saying we need to have stricter ledge control laws in subway tunnels?
 
2012-12-28 11:26:35 AM  
A friend in NYC tells me she no longer stands on the platforms waiting for the train. She will either stand by steps leading down to the platform until the train comes, or, where the turnstile leads directly to the platform, wait by the turnstile and go through once the train is in the station. She says there are just too many crazies wandering the platforms and randomly bothering people these days.
 
2012-12-28 11:26:39 AM  
If there was a good guy with a train, he could have run into the other train and stopped it from running over the victim. Sure, there might have been multiple injuries and/or fatalities, but that's just the price you pay.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:00 AM  

factoryconnection: I love public transport, and subways most of all but these types of stories would stimulate my paranoia to the point that I'd be scanning the crowd constantly at any metro station looking for the random nutjob ready to push me or someone else over the edge. Then I'd be all out of position to get on the train. Freaking criminals! They ruin EVERYTHING.



I always stand with my back to the track until the train is passing behind me.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:39 AM  
That 'll teach JayZ to ride the freakin Subway.
 
2012-12-28 11:27:43 AM  
This is why I stay either close to the wall or in the middle of the platform if there's no wall. And people need to stop leaning over the platform to see if the train is coming. You looking for the light isn't going to make it come any faster (that's what she said).
 
2012-12-28 11:28:03 AM  
This never would have happened if the platform was armed.
 
2012-12-28 11:29:11 AM  

beefoe: I assumed that people being hit by subway trains was extremely rare, but according to New York's MTA, 147 people were struck by subway trains and 47 killed, just last year. Sounds like an inherently dangerous product to me.


That is odd. According to this article as of August there had only been 6 rail deaths in Chicago. and 9 in 2011, 10 deaths in 2010 and six deaths in 2009
And just about all of them have been contributed to people playing around on the tracks and getting electrocuted, suicide or drunks falling on the tracks.I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.
 
2012-12-28 11:29:12 AM  
anyone have a vid clip of the suspect? or video? the link is not working on my machine for some reason.


as i said before this is my number one fear riding the trains everyday. the lil chinese women pushing you in so they can get a seat, the crazies sitting on bench behind youor just being pushed by someone for any reason. i always check behind me and stand back. ill stand, being first in line for a seat is not worth my life
 
2012-12-28 11:29:52 AM  
next time someone pushes twenty 6-year-olds in front of a train at once, I'll call for banning trains.

Until then, proper regulation and monitoring is probably all that's needed
 
2012-12-28 11:30:02 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!


This kinda confuses me, too. In many other countries, you wait next to a wall with sliding doors. The train pulls up so its doors line up with the station's doors, then they both open. No one winds up on the tracks.
 
2012-12-28 11:30:06 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Ban bare arms. Make everybody in the station wear those plastic ziptie handcuffs.


The second amendment gives us the right to bare arms.
 
2012-12-28 11:30:17 AM  

monoski: The One True TheDavid: Amos Quito:

That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 298x299]

What do you say to a woman with no arms or legs?

//Nice tits!


Bonus: You won't get slapped for saying so.
 
2012-12-28 11:32:38 AM  

THX 1138: SlothB77:

the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.

Last I checked, the perpetrator in this case is unidentified. But thanks for the clearly researched and cited declaration of her mental health, doctor.


I'm against stigmatizing those who just think/act differently myself, but someone who, while walking around mumbling to herself, walks up to a stranger and kills him for no reason might justifiably be presumed to have "issues." Maybe M'Naghten won't apply but she's probably "just not right."

Back in the early '80s I was doing a three-day evaluation/vacation, simply talking to my lawyer on the payphone, when out of the blue a newer patient ran up behind me and neat me down pretty bad: his voices told him I was his mortal enemy and must be stopped NOW. Yet most people I knowingly piss off don't lift a finger against me let alone try to kill me, simply because they use rational judgment to decide it's not worth the trouble.

Maybe you'd prefer we breed Americans for total docility?
 
2012-12-28 11:33:43 AM  

KimNorth: Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?


Pretty sure that would be Ronald Reagan.

\time to legalize hunting the mentally-ill for sport?
 
2012-12-28 11:34:10 AM  

tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

[cdn0.sbnation.com image 640x478]


It's my understanding that those are only on the Jubilee Line. The majority of London Underground platforms are as unprotected as New York's.

Installing platform edge doors in the busiest subway stations would prevent people from accidentally falling onto the tracks from crowded platforms, but somebody can jump or be pushed from any platform whatsoever. Safety measures are a lot more cost-efficient than security measures.
 
2012-12-28 11:34:14 AM  
Time to ban subway trains

Is there one person here who doubts for one farking second that 10,000 annual deaths from subway mishaps would result in significant safety reforms?

Just one person. Go ahead, raise your hand and let's see who you are. Subby, you?  Anybody at all?
 
2012-12-28 11:34:17 AM  

Bontesla: bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

After all of this discourse - how the hell do people still not understand the argument?


geeesh, another person who is pro-subway death.
 
2012-12-28 11:35:08 AM  

KimNorth: Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?


JFK
 
2012-12-28 11:35:59 AM  
Huck Chaser:

A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.

Agreed.

And this thread is a good way to bring attention to America's need for socialized medicine including mental health care.
 
2012-12-28 11:37:25 AM  
Best part? This is just a glimpse of what's to come. Fiscal cliff! Massive spending cuts are on the way. Unemployment up. Drug use and drug related crimes up. The locked doors in prisons and mental institutions are being replaced with revolving ones. Police officers and their hours are going to be cut back. Your local news will open with breaking news about gang violence every night, except when a white guy goes off at work or in a bell tower, or some kid brandishes a weapon at show and tell.
We're F'ed. Good luck out there.
not really. But as a wise man says every day after each show:
Take care of yourselves. And each other.
 
2012-12-28 11:38:25 AM  

THX 1138: SlothB77: the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.

Last I checked, the perpetrator in this case is unidentified. But thanks for the clearly researched and cited declaration of her mental health, doctor.


I Believe you have delusional problems...do you often think random people are doctors???
 
2012-12-28 11:39:02 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: Time to ban subway trains

Is there one person here who doubts for one farking second that 10,000 annual deaths from subway mishaps would result in significant safety reforms?

Just one person. Go ahead, raise your hand and let's see who you are. Subby, you?  Anybody at all?


Not one of those 10,000 incidents involved 20 6-year-olds so no one cares. Apparently you have to have a mass murder of young children before anyone will stand up for something. Farking hypocrites.
 
2012-12-28 11:39:23 AM  

ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.


This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:

www.bowzmart.com
 
2012-12-28 11:40:43 AM  

Magorn: Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.

I like guns too but I'm having a hard time sticking up for them because of the utter infantility of some of the most outspoken anti-control arguments that seem to be floating around the web. Guns are uniquely dangerous items because they are WEAPONS- ie tools whose DESIGNED PURPOSE is to kill things. Masses of shoolchildren, theatregoers or random citizens being shot dead on a regular basis is an utterly unacceptable outcome in a civilized society. So, either we're going to have to make these weapons that facilitate these slaughters harder to come by generally, or we're going to have to do something about spotting and identifying those most likely to misuse them this way and treating/controlling them before they act.

And Frankly, it seems to me the onus is on YOU guys this time to come up with a solution, not to whine like crybabaies about how mean the rest of us are being by trying to take away your preciouses


Aw Fark off!
 
2012-12-28 11:42:31 AM  

InfrasonicTom: We need more GOD in our subway stations.


To be fair the lady who pushed the guy did say she was Jesus.
 
2012-12-28 11:44:40 AM  
ongbok:
[...]

[A]s of August there had only been 6 rail deaths in Chicago. and 9 in 2011, 10 deaths in 2010 and six deaths in 2009.

And just about all of them have been contributed to people playing around on the tracks and getting electrocuted, suicide or drunks falling on the tracks.I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.


You have to be crazy to live in New York City. It's a jungle up there.
 
2012-12-28 11:45:39 AM  

spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


A study done during the 1990s, by Univ. of Syracuse IIRC, divided the homeless into 3 groups roughly equal in size (out of an est. population fo 500,000 to 800,000 not the millions some claimed at the time) .

1/3 were t temporary homeless (90 days or less) 1/3 actually chose the hobo lifestyle. It was how they wanted to live. the final group was mostly made up of the mentally ill and those with various addictions.
 
2012-12-28 11:48:04 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: The suspect was mumbling to herself incoherently and pacing around. So she was an annoying NPC from Assassin's Creed?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x360]


"What this train needs... is an assassin"

I knew those commercials would do this. BAN TV!
 
2012-12-28 11:48:45 AM  
My attempts to get some wordplay in this thread have been completely derailed.
 
2012-12-28 11:49:11 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: Time to ban subway trains

Is there one person here who doubts for one farking second that 10,000 annual deaths from subway mishaps would result in significant safety reforms?


In the USA? That would cost money. If they won't pay for "socialist" mental health care why would they pay for "socialist" measures like that?

On the other hand bombing Iran would be fun.
 
2012-12-28 11:49:15 AM  
Or we could still just ban all Arms.
 
2012-12-28 11:49:28 AM  

Cornelius Dribble: tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

[cdn0.sbnation.com image 640x478]

It's my understanding that those are only on the Jubilee Line. The majority of London Underground platforms are as unprotected as New York's.

Installing platform edge doors in the busiest subway stations would prevent people from accidentally falling onto the tracks from crowded platforms, but somebody can jump or be pushed from any platform whatsoever. Safety measures are a lot more cost-efficient than security measures.


How old is that line? My guess is that newer lines, lines built in the last 20 or 30 years would have the safety doors and be fully automated. However if most of London's commuter rail system is like New york or Chicago's, most of the lines were built 60-100 years ago and crammed into very small places without any thought of future upgrades. This makes it very hard, and almost impossible in some places to add all of these safety features or even automation. Then just imagine the cost of fully updating a 100 year old line if it is even possible. You can't even get politicians to fix bridges that are falling apart, how do you think you will get them to fund this?
 
2012-12-28 11:50:06 AM  
New York Is one of those places that makes me ask why Florida is singled out for its own tag on Fark. People in New York are being shoved in front of subways but are protected from the danger of large soft drinks and trans fats.
 
2012-12-28 11:50:24 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Huck Chaser:

A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.

Agreed.

And this thread is a good way to bring attention to America's need for socialized medicine including mental health care.


Commie! Why do you hate America? If I want to die on the streets muttering to myself I have the freedom to do so!
 
2012-12-28 11:54:53 AM  

spman: Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


If they are posting on Fark, they should probably be locked up.

You do realize that's one of the things psychiatry and neuroscience are constantly working on? Or that most of them, like most non-'crazy' people, aren't dangerous? I mean, why focus on the 'crazy' people. If you can figure out which people are dangerous and which aren't, let's put the dangerous ones away. There are plenty of wife-beaters, lawyers and politicians out there who may not be 'crazy' but who are plenty dangerous. Forget due process. Let's get the Division of Thought Crimes on this.
 
2012-12-28 11:55:34 AM  

ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.


Curious. So when they have the quadrennial world sporting event and have a biathalon, how do they
get people to stand as target. Perhaps killing humans is distasteful, and they just use slugs or something?
 
2012-12-28 11:56:48 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Princess Ryans Knickers: Shooting at police station today, obviously would never have happened if they had more guns

Shooter stooped after wounding three. I think they had enough guns.


Are ya sure? Cause FOX News and the NRA both assured me that just having guns would have stopped the shooting before it started!
 
2012-12-28 11:57:19 AM  

wxboy: Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!

The solution already exists:  platform screen doors.


Every subway platform I've been to in Seoul uses screens at the platform that open alongside the subway cars' doors. I don't know why we don't have them, and why there are no plans to install things like these when people using subways to murder people is easily preventable.
 
2012-12-28 11:57:21 AM  

ongbok: Cornelius Dribble: tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

[cdn0.sbnation.com image 640x478]

It's my understanding that those are only on the Jubilee Line. The majority of London Underground platforms are as unprotected as New York's.

Installing platform edge doors in the busiest subway stations would prevent people from accidentally falling onto the tracks from crowded platforms, but somebody can jump or be pushed from any platform whatsoever. Safety measures are a lot more cost-efficient than security measures.

How old is that line? My guess is that newer lines, lines built in the last 20 or 30 years would have the safety doors and be fully automated. However if most of London's commuter rail system is like New york or Chicago's, most of the lines were built 60-100 years ago and crammed into very small places without any thought of future upgrades. This makes it very hard, and almost impossible in some places to add all of these safety features or even automation. Then just imagine the cost of fully updating a 100 year old line if it is even possible. You can't even get politicians to fix bridges that are falling apart, how do you think you will get them to fund this?


You'd think. But take BART in the Bay Area. It opened in '72 and there isn't a glass partition or sliding door to be seen. Exposed platforms, just like in NYC's turn-of-the-(last!) century system.
 
2012-12-28 11:58:45 AM  

walkerhound: This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:
[www.bowzmart.com image 193x196]


So you were either practicing to kill living things, or you were playing with a toy. Both totally necessary and worth all the extraneous killing.

/Fark has become a lowest common denominator troll site. But whatever brings in the clicks, right, Drew?
 
2012-12-28 11:58:48 AM  
What we need are TSA checkpoints at all subway entrances.
 
2012-12-28 11:59:03 AM  
It's not just happening in NYC: On Kaua'i this week, a man is accused of pushing a female Japanese tourist off of a hiking trail.

Luckily she survived the fall down the mountain & was just released from the hospital.

The man is still on the loose. Kaua'i police closed the Kalalau Trailhead at Ke'e Beach & continue searching for the man, who some on the island have described as a tweaker.

Here's the story: http://thegardenisland.com/news/local/ article_70e228e0-50b5-11e2-a5b4- 001a4bcf887a.html
 
2012-12-28 12:00:34 PM  
You train nuts should just confess that you have no problem with this. A few deaths a year is a price you're willing to pay for mass transit.
 
2012-12-28 12:01:09 PM  

Mrbogey: You train nuts should just confess that you have no problem with this. A few deaths a year is a price you're willing to pay for mass transit.


Vs. how many per year in auto-related deaths?
 
2012-12-28 12:09:08 PM  

hasty ambush:

A study done during the 1990s, by Univ. of Syracuse IIRC, divided the homeless into 3 groups roughly equal in size (out of an est. population fo 500,000 to 800,000 not the millions some claimed at the time) .

1/3 were t temporary homeless (90 days or less) 1/3 actually chose the hobo lifestyle. It was how they wanted to live. the final group was mostly made up of the mentally ill and those with various addictions.


Never discount those who just give the fark up for financial reasons. Say your job gets outsourced after 20-odd years, and instead of sitting around watching TV you do everything possible to find a job and still can't get hired. Maybe your skill set is passe', maybe there's too much competition from youngsters they can pay much less. So you can't afford rent. And because your family & friends are in lousy fiscal shape themselves so they can't take you in. So you wind up on the streets, which makes it even harder to find work. (You try it.) And there are an awful lot of poor people around town, and you can't afford to move someplace else with any hope of getting a better deal, because being broke & hopeless in NYC ain't that much different from being very down on your luck in Denver or St. Louis. So you just give up and do the best you can with the hand you've got: if all you see any reason to care about anymore is just not dying yet then "the hobo lifestyle" ain't THAT bad, at least the Salvation Army will feed you and find you a coat.

You don't have to be crazy to be homeless, nor do you need to choose it. Sometimes it just happens.
 
2012-12-28 12:10:56 PM  

cryinoutloud: walkerhound: This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:
[www.bowzmart.com image 193x196]

So you were either practicing to kill living things, or you were playing with a toy. Both totally necessary and worth all the extraneous killing.

/Fark has become a lowest common denominator troll site. But whatever brings in the clicks, right, Drew?


I'm genuinely hurt.  Why should law-abiding citizens be punished for the actions of a few mentally deranged people?  What if Australian shepherds were unpredictably aggressive dogs and your town wanted to ban them.  I'm sure yours is just as sweet as can be, probably barks her head off at strangers but wouldn't hurt a fly.  But what if?
 
2012-12-28 12:13:38 PM  

devalt: colinspooky: ban pushers

Don't ban the pushers, they are victims too, the evil train coerced them to push.


Quick! Someone find a link to the Nina Simone version! God damn!
 
2012-12-28 12:13:54 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Citrate1007: spman:

[...]
Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.

That would require some sort of socialized medicine.

Dear Tea Partiers: This shows why "Obamacare" ain't socialist enough.


Unfortunately sociopaths are now considered a "personality disorder-antisocial"
They scare me the most and slip through the cracks
 
2012-12-28 12:17:34 PM  
We should ban New York.
 
2012-12-28 12:17:39 PM  

bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

[i306.photobucket.com image 383x230]


That GIF is really funny but your point is childish. It is time to ban trains. Trains kill. Time to ban all potential passengers standing on deck waiting for trains.
 
2012-12-28 12:18:48 PM  

Chinchillazilla: The One True TheDavid: Huck Chaser:

A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.

Agreed.

And this thread is a good way to bring attention to America's need for socialized medicine including mental health care.

Commie! Why do you hate America? If I want to die on the streets muttering to myself I have the freedom to do so!


Seriously: you should have the option to choose it or not.

If you're not bothering anybody and can take care of yourself reasonably well considering your circumstances "they" should leave you alone. But there should be programs set up to help people like you if you want it and outreach centers to let you know about it.

They don't HAVE to be taxpayer-funded, but as charitable donations decrease in tough times the Salvation Army can't do as much as it'd like. So divert money from the arms race (against what?) to take care of Americans.

Sorry if I don't find homelessness easy to joke about: I've been homeless, against my will so to speak, and it wasn't very funny.
 
2012-12-28 12:21:13 PM  

KimNorth: Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway?


Ronald Reagan's
 
2012-12-28 12:21:14 PM  
Worst assassin evar.
 
2012-12-28 12:24:12 PM  
This seems to be a problem that could be fixed quite easily with two hundred thousand dollars of chain link fence, a million and a half bucks to grease the mafia, and 2 billion dollars or so in Teamster labor.
 
2012-12-28 12:24:25 PM  

Magorn: Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.

I like guns too but I'm having a hard time sticking up for them because of the utter infantility of some of the most outspoken anti-control arguments that seem to be floating around the web. Guns are uniquely dangerous items because they are WEAPONS- ie tools whose DESIGNED PURPOSE is to kill things. Masses of shoolchildren, theatregoers or random citizens being shot dead on a regular basis is an utterly unacceptable outcome in a civilized society. So, either we're going to have to make these weapons that facilitate these slaughters harder to come by generally, or we're going to have to do something about spotting and identifying those most likely to misuse them this way and treating/controlling them before they act.

And Frankly, it seems to me the onus is on YOU guys this time to come up with a solution, not to whine like crybabaies about how mean the rest of us are being by trying to take away your preciouses


I agree that the X kills Y, ban Z is getting old and stupid.

What I don't agree with is using emotion to ban things. It's not sensible to take away things that statistically don't cause as much crime as other things.

Estimated number of guns in the US: 270,000,000 (various sources state this number)

Using 2011 data, let's swing the argument in your favor and say that 20,000,000 came into being in the US this year... (plus it gives us nice round numbers), so let's say in 2011, there were only 250,000,000 guns.

In 2011, all gun deaths reported were 32,163 (taken from the CDC data).

Again, to strengthen your argument, and weaken mine, let's say 1 gun was used for each of those gun deaths. (that way more of the evil guns are to blame)

So we have 32,163 guns out of 250,000,000 that killed someone. That's 0.013% of guns used to kill someone.

In 2009, it was reported that there were 352,810 gun-related crimes in the US. (Bureau of Justice Statistics). Let;s round that up (again strengthening your argument) to 375,000 for 2011. Again, let's assume they were all different guns.

So we have 375,000 out of 250,000,000 guns used in crimes. That's 0.15% of guns used in a crime.

Since a portion of those guns would be used in multiple crimes and/or deaths, the actual rates are lower.

You're looking for an overreaching solution to a very small (but significant) problem. It's not logical, it's emotional. Laws, restrictions, or any freedom reducing measure should NEVER be done out of a reaction to emotion. Otherwise we get pieces of trash like the PATRIOT Act.
 
2012-12-28 12:27:38 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: He was killed 2 times in a month... nice respawn.


I was thinking shiatty luck. I mean twice in the same month IN THE SAME BIZARRE WAY no less.
 
2012-12-28 12:27:39 PM  
Seriously? Not a single fat joke? Not one? What the hell happened to fark....
 
2012-12-28 12:28:39 PM  

Bontesla: bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

After all of this discourse - how the hell do people still not understand the argument?


People understand it, it's just very weak. How do you not understand bingethinker's counterpoint?
 
2012-12-28 12:29:15 PM  

willfullyobscure: well known FACT that trains are vital part of wild pig control efforts.


does anyone have the original wild pig thread saved somewhere?  that has now become a thing.  i was there when the wild pig meme was being born.  who was the person that advanced that theory?
 
2012-12-28 12:32:43 PM  
Why can't the train stop before reaching the platform and everyone has to jump to get to the train?
 
2012-12-28 12:33:50 PM  

kareninsf: Unfortunately sociopaths are now considered a "personality disorder-antisocial" prime CEO material.
They scare me the most and slip through the cracks


FTFY
 
2012-12-28 12:36:27 PM  

ongbok: I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.


While the physical sizes are similar, 7.5x more people take the NYC subway than Chicago's each year.
 
2012-12-28 12:38:07 PM  
nra response: guns for all subway riders.
 
2012-12-28 12:38:27 PM  
We need armed schoolteachers ready to shoot oncoming trains.
 
2012-12-28 12:39:32 PM  

walkerhound: ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.

This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:

[www.bowzmart.com image 193x196]


You monster! It was probably sitting around doing nothing, hoping to attract a mate with those colors. What did it do to you?
 
2012-12-28 12:41:07 PM  

INeedAName: NRA


Bite us
www.nrastore.com
 
2012-12-28 12:41:41 PM  
no civilian needs arms that powerful.
 
2012-12-28 12:42:22 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Chinchillazilla: The One True TheDavid: Huck Chaser:

A lot of folks in this thread need to lighten up; the headline was obviously a joke.

Agreed.

And this thread is a good way to bring attention to America's need for socialized medicine including mental health care.

Commie! Why do you hate America? If I want to die on the streets muttering to myself I have the freedom to do so!

Seriously: you should have the option to choose it or not.

If you're not bothering anybody and can take care of yourself reasonably well considering your circumstances "they" should leave you alone. But there should be programs set up to help people like you if you want it and outreach centers to let you know about it.

They don't HAVE to be taxpayer-funded, but as charitable donations decrease in tough times the Salvation Army can't do as much as it'd like. So divert money from the arms race (against what?) to take care of Americans.

Sorry if I don't find homelessness easy to joke about: I've been homeless, against my will so to speak, and it wasn't very funny.


I'm sincerely sorry. I was just being an asshole. I actually completely agree with you - I have a couple of psychological disorders, and while my family is supportive and helps me get help, it's STILL difficult to get it sometimes. It should be much easier, especially for low-income people who don't have hundreds to throw at therapy.
 
2012-12-28 12:42:56 PM  
Won't really won't be an issue until it's a mass subway pushing 20 or more people, or a Blonde chick.
 
2012-12-28 12:46:22 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: KimNorth: Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway?

Ronald Reagan's


Ahem-

It began in the 1960s with the the Community Mental Health Act of 1963 (JFK) and advocacy groups such as the ACLU demanding a lower standard for commitment. As long as patients could \wash and dress themselves and could perform the mechanical tasks of feeding themselves, then every effort was made to force the institutions to release them.

The courts have more to do with this situation than any executive-even today

Judge Orders New York to Move Mentally Ill Out of Large, Institutional Housing
March 1, 2010
"New York State must begin moving thousands of people with mental illness into their own apartments or small homes and out of large, institutional adult homes that keep them segregated from society, a federal judge ordered on Monday."
 
2012-12-28 12:47:04 PM  

walkerhound: ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.

This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:

[www.bowzmart.com image 193x196]


This argument makes sense, because like guns, the only purpose of trains is self defense and protection of individual liberty.
 
2012-12-28 12:50:25 PM  
Wait...suspect is female, angry and today is the 28th day of the month.  Is anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?


The Mayans were off by a few days.
 
2012-12-28 12:54:53 PM  

Chinchillazilla: The One True TheDavid:
[...]

Sorry if I don't find homelessness easy to joke about: I've been homeless, against my will so to speak, and it wasn't very funny.

I'm sincerely sorry. I was just being an asshole.


I'm sorry you're sorry: I wasn't really finding fault, just confessing a lack of wit. (It can happen, even to me!)

Peace. No prob.
 
2012-12-28 12:57:17 PM  

hasty ambush: spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.

A study done during the 1990s, by Univ. of Syracuse IIRC, divided the homeless into 3 groups roughly equal in size (out of an est. population fo 500,000 to 800,000 not the millions some claimed at the time) .

1/3 were t temporary homeless (90 days or less) 1/3 actually chose the hobo lifestyle. It was how they wanted to live. the final group was mostly made up of the mentally ill and those with various addictions.


and it's that last 1/3rd that comprise the most visible group of homeless. The temporary ones usually still keep up jobs or try to maintain some sense of stability in their lives while they live out of the YMCA or a Homeless shelter.

The ones that are transient by choice usually try their best to stay invisible, and can really only be seen when you go to a fast food joint and see the dude with the giant backpack and ratty clothes listening to music on his headphones and eating dollar cheeseburgers.

The mentally ill ones however are the types you see panhandling in the street, sleeping on benches, bothering people, and creating a nuisance. Despite the services many states make available for the homeless, they're too nuts to take advantage of them, and most homeless shelters won't take them in anyways because they can control their behavior. These are the ones that need to be locked up either until they can be treated, or barring that, permanently if they are a danger to society and no level of assistance can control them.
 
2012-12-28 01:01:16 PM  

Magorn: Dear Admin we all like to call the "Freeper Friday Guy":

I've noticed a bunch of "X kills Y people, time to ban X" headlines popping up lately, and I have no doubt you are the one responsible for them. But while your constant exposure to right-wing news source may have dulled YOUR intellect, the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other. A mother threatening to attack children with a shovel is also not the same, and a madman in China stabbing 20 kids, while close, still isn't the same because none of those kids died.

I like guns too but I'm having a hard time sticking up for them because of the utter infantility of some of the most outspoken anti-control arguments that seem to be floating around the web. Guns are uniquely dangerous items because they are WEAPONS- ie tools whose DESIGNED PURPOSE is to kill things. Masses of shoolchildren, theatregoers or random citizens being shot dead on a regular basis is an utterly unacceptable outcome in a civilized society. So, either we're going to have to make these weapons that facilitate these slaughters harder to come by generally, or we're going to have to do something about spotting and identifying those most likely to misuse them this way and treating/controlling them before they act.

And Frankly, it seems to me the onus is on YOU guys this time to come up with a solution, not to whine like crybabaies about how mean the rest of us are being by trying to take away your preciouses


Somebody's sarcasm detector is broken.
 
2012-12-28 01:02:54 PM  
Just put some of these up, you skinflint cheapskates.

dvice.com
 
2012-12-28 01:04:17 PM  
More money needs to be invested in force field r&d.
 
2012-12-28 01:04:21 PM  
Done in one.
 
2012-12-28 01:04:52 PM  

hasty ambush: Uranus Is Huge!: KimNorth: Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway?

Ronald Reagan's

Ahem-

It began in the 1960s with the the Community Mental Health Act of 1963 (JFK) and advocacy groups such as the ACLU demanding a lower standard for commitment. As long as patients could \wash and dress themselves and could perform the mechanical tasks of feeding themselves, then every effort was made to force the institutions to release them.

The courts have more to do with this situation than any executive-even today

Judge Orders New York to Move Mentally Ill Out of Large, Institutional Housing
March 1, 2010
"New York State must begin moving thousands of people with mental illness into their own apartments or small homes and out of large, institutional adult homes that keep them segregated from society, a federal judge ordered on Monday."


Reagan didn't start it, he just ran with it.

Link
 
2012-12-28 01:08:25 PM  

Zombie Neurosurgeon: ongbok: I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.

While the physical sizes are similar, 7.5x more people take the NYC subway than Chicago's each year.


And yet Chicago, with strict gun laws, have more people dying in gun deaths.
 
2012-12-28 01:08:44 PM  

tgambitg: You're looking for an overreaching solution to a very small (but significant) problem. It's not logical, it's emotional. Laws, restrictions, or any freedom reducing measure should NEVER be done out of a reaction to emotion. Otherwise we get pieces of trash like the PATRIOT Act.


28 Dec. 2012- Congress has voted to renew the government's authority to monitor electronic communications of foreigners abroad. The Senate on Friday approved a five-year extension by a 73-23 vote and sent the bill to President Barack Obama, who is expected to sign it.
 
2012-12-28 01:15:51 PM  

hasty ambush: tgambitg: You're looking for an overreaching solution to a very small (but significant) problem. It's not logical, it's emotional. Laws, restrictions, or any freedom reducing measure should NEVER be done out of a reaction to emotion. Otherwise we get pieces of trash like the PATRIOT Act.

28 Dec. 2012- Congress has voted to renew the government's authority to monitor electronic communications of foreigners abroad. The Senate on Friday approved a five-year extension by a 73-23 vote and sent the bill to President Barack Obama, who is expected to sign it.


Another piece of trash legislation.
 
2012-12-28 01:19:24 PM  

The One True TheDavid: In the USA? That would cost money. If they won't pay for "socialist" mental health care why would they pay for "socialist" measures like that?


Even Socialism runs into budgetary constraints, look at aging Europe:

German pensioners are being sent to care homes in Eastern Europe and Asia in what has been described as an 'inhumane deportation'.Rising numbers of the elderly and sick are moved overseas for long-term care because of sky-high costs at home.


"According to Germany's federal bureau of statistics, more than 400,000 senior citizens cannot afford a German retirement home, a figure growing by around 5 per cent a year. This is because many are living for longer while their pensions are stagnating.

As a result, the Krankenkassen - or statutory insurers that make up Germany's state insurance system - are discussing cheaper care in foreign retirement homes.

EU law prevents state insurers from signing contracts with overseas homes.

But that is likely to change as legislators are forced to respond to Europe's ageing population. "
 
2012-12-28 01:23:24 PM  

leonel: Just put some of these up, you skinflint cheapskates.

[dvice.com image 593x446]


As Uranus Is Huge! pointed out. It would not be cheap.

Uranus Is Huge!: This seems to be a problem that could be fixed quite easily with two hundred thousand dollars of chain link fence, a million and a half bucks to grease the mafia, and 2 billion dollars or so in Teamster labor.

 
2012-12-28 01:33:08 PM  

SlothB77: When was the last time the suspect in one of these horrific national stories wasn't crazy?


All the other 17,000 homicides per year?
 
2012-12-28 01:36:31 PM  
Not being all that familiar with the NYC subway system, let me ask a question from the point of view of the "pushee".  If I find myself shoved in front of a train, is there enough room to lie down flat between the rails?  The so-called "third rail" isn't in the middle, right?
 
2012-12-28 01:39:47 PM  

ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.


Time to arm trains?
 
2012-12-28 01:43:23 PM  
When does the War on Pushing start?
 
2012-12-28 01:44:29 PM  
This should fix it.

img571.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-28 01:45:18 PM  

Amos Quito: That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.


Don't politicize this. Too soon.
 
2012-12-28 01:48:30 PM  

tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

[cdn0.sbnation.com image 640x478]


Last I checked New Yorkers were not adverse to being heavily taxed. I guess it is a question of where they want spend the revenue.

Link

New York's personal income tax system consists of seven brackets with a top rate of 8.82%, kicking in at an income level of $10,000,000. Among states levying personal income taxes, this top rate ranks the state 7th highest nationally. New York's 2010 state-level individual income tax collections were $1,796 per person, which ranked 1st highest in the nation.

New York's State and Local Tax Burden Second-Highest in Nation

During the past three decades, New York's state and local tax burden percentage has ranked among the nation's highest, currently estimated at 12.1% of income (2nd nationally), above the current national average of 9.8%. Compared to the 1977 data, New York had a rate of 13.2% (1st nationally), decreasing 1.1% overall. Currently residents pay $6,157 per capita in state and local taxes.


New York's 2013 Business Tax Climate Index Ranks 50th

New York ranks 50th in the Tax Foundation's State Business Tax Climate Index. The Index compares the states in five areas of taxation that impact business: corporate taxes; individual income taxes; sales taxes; unemployment insurance taxes; and taxes on property, including residential and commercial property. The ranks of neighboring states are as follows: Pennsylvania (19th), New Jersey (49th), Connecticut (40th), and Vermont (47th)
 
2012-12-28 01:59:46 PM  

Magorn: the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other.


So, please enlighten us- exactly how many must die, and over what time period, to make it similar enough to guns to use an analogy?
 
2012-12-28 02:02:21 PM  
Yaaaaaaaay trains........
 
2012-12-28 02:11:33 PM  

hasty ambush: The One True TheDavid:

In the USA? That would cost money. If they won't pay for "socialist" mental health care why would they pay for "socialist" measures like that?

Even Socialism runs into budgetary constraints, look at aging Europe:

German pensioners are being sent to care homes in Eastern Europe and Asia in what has been described as an 'inhumane deportation'. Rising numbers of the elderly and sick are moved overseas for long-term care because of sky-high costs at home...


Voluntary euthanasia on demand would solve a lot of problems. If you don't want to allow everybody over 18 to get themselves "put to sleep" Just Because then maybe over 50 or with incurable/insurmountable health problems -- again VOLUNTARY. My 50th birthday is in March and I'd be happy to "go home" if offered the option. (Imagine what a difference that would make to Fark!)

"Gravy Train is PEOPLE!"
 
2012-12-28 02:12:32 PM  
Was it an assault train?

www.armchairgeneral.com
 
2012-12-28 02:12:37 PM  
The One True TheDavid:

"Gravy Train is PEOPLE!"

Science Diet is TROLLS!
 
2012-12-28 02:12:44 PM  

ongbok: beefoe: I assumed that people being hit by subway trains was extremely rare, but according to New York's MTA, 147 people were struck by subway trains and 47 killed, just last year. Sounds like an inherently dangerous product to me.

That is odd. According to this article as of August there had only been 6 rail deaths in Chicago. and 9 in 2011, 10 deaths in 2010 and six deaths in 2009
And just about all of them have been contributed to people playing around on the tracks and getting electrocuted, suicide or drunks falling on the tracks.I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.


I don't have stats in front of me but the MTA is way larger than our glorious CTA. Chicago's entire system is probably equal to just Brooklyn. That's a completely made up guess so let's keep the panties unwadded.

Unwadded auto texted to unwashed. Heh.
 
2012-12-28 02:14:04 PM  
Magorn: the rest of us are still sharp enough to spot a "false equivalency" when we see one. Two people dying in a month is not the same as 20 children dying in a matter of minutes or dozens of theatre patrons dying withiin seconds of each other.

I dont know it matters much to the 20 kids if they where killed over a two week period by drunk drivers vs getting stabbed together in 2 minutes?
 
2012-12-28 02:19:43 PM  

CantConfirmOrDeny: Not being all that familiar with the NYC subway system, let me ask a question from the point of view of the "pushee".  If I find myself shoved in front of a train, is there enough room to lie down flat between the rails?  The so-called "third rail" isn't in the middle, right?


No, the third rail isn't in the middle. However, not every station/rail line in NYC is standardized. So, in some situations, you may be able to lie down flat and survive, but in others, there simply isn't enough room.

The only sure fire thing you can do to reduce your risk of death in these situations is to haul ass as fast as you can towards the end where the front of the train will stop at the station. The ends have stair rails used by Maintenance that you can use to get back on the platform if you make it in time. If you don't, you at least give the train operator more of a chance to stop before they hit you.

There are many solutions out there that could be implemented system-wide to help prevent these tragedies. But they are incredibly rare, and the NYC train system is one of the largest, oldest, and most-used systems in the world. It would take MASSIVE amounts of time and money, and the sad fact is, the political will just isn't there.

Especially when you're talking about the poorly managed finances of the MTA, which raises rates as fast as it possibly can just to maintain most of their services.
 
2012-12-28 02:29:45 PM  

dready zim: colinspooky: ban pushers

You don`t have enough vision.

Ban people. Hell, ban life altogether!
[www.internationalhero.co.uk image 358x500]


Why are his knee pads floating over his knees? Ugh that is making me stare at that as the focal point rather than appreciating the character design.
 
2012-12-28 02:31:32 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: CantConfirmOrDeny:


Not being all that familiar with the NYC subway system, let me ask a question from the point of view of the "pushee".  If I find myself shoved in front of a train, is there enough room to lie down flat between the rails?  The so-called "third rail" isn't in the middle, right?

No, the third rail isn't in the middle. However, not every station/rail line in NYC is standardized. So, in some situations, you may be able to lie down flat and survive, but in others, there simply isn't enough room.

I'd rather be electrocuted quickly than splattered all over like in "Suicide Club."

 
2012-12-28 02:36:17 PM  

Zombie Neurosurgeon: ongbok: I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.

While the physical sizes are similar, 7.5x more people take the NYC subway than Chicago's each year.


Having lived in both cities, it's cute when Chicago thinks it's anywhere NEAR New York on things like this. Seriously Chitown, you have 6 lines. New York has 24 and counting.
 
2012-12-28 02:41:12 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: CantConfirmOrDeny:


Not being all that familiar with the NYC subway system, let me ask a question from the point of view of the "pushee".  If I find myself shoved in front of a train, is there enough room to lie down flat between the rails?  The so-called "third rail" isn't in the middle, right?

No, the third rail isn't in the middle. However, not every station/rail line in NYC is standardized. So, in some situations, you may be able to lie down flat and survive, but in others, there simply isn't enough room.

I'd rather be electrocuted quickly than splattered all over like in "Suicide Club."


Hell of a choice to have to make though, eh?
 
2012-12-28 02:42:53 PM  

priapic_abandon: Was it an assault train?

[www.armchairgeneral.com image 850x430]


What does that train say? Please tell me it's something funny, like "Up Yours!"
 
2012-12-28 02:43:26 PM  

kindms: this is why you always stand in the center on the platform until the train pulls in. There is no need to be first


He who is first shall be last. DEAD last.
 
2012-12-28 02:51:07 PM  

ongbok: beefoe: I assumed that people being hit by subway trains was extremely rare, but according to New York's MTA, 147 people were struck by subway trains and 47 killed, just last year. Sounds like an inherently dangerous product to me.

That is odd. According to this article as of August there had only been 6 rail deaths in Chicago. and 9 in 2011, 10 deaths in 2010 and six deaths in 2009
And just about all of them have been contributed to people playing around on the tracks and getting electrocuted, suicide or drunks falling on the tracks.I sure the Chicago rail system is almost as big as New York's, so I wonder why New York has so many more deaths.


That's straight bullshiat.

I know several CTA operators and unless the jumper is at a major station or at rush(Jackson, Clark and Lake) it is rarely accurately reported or even reported They claim their bosses say that when reported the number of jumpers increases dramatically over the next few weeks. If it has to be reported they indicate it was accidental and report him in critical condition and never follow up on the death. The media in this town is bought and paid for.

I know with certainty there was a man killed by a train at the Kedzie Brown Line a few months ago (summer)and it never made the news... along with a police car that tried to go around the gate and got destroyed by a train going the other way. I know the operator on both and he took pictures with his phone bc he's a creepy ghoul. He says in his 15 years he's had at least one jumper a year and at least another accident involving injury (falling off platform, caught in door). He also has to call several times a month for assaults on his train and several times a week for assaults on platforms.

The city also doesn't report building jumpers for the same reason. If you follow the news you'd think one or two jump to their death each year... more like one a week. They just don't report it unless they land near an outdoor cafe.
 
2012-12-28 03:01:13 PM  
They should declare subway stations "Push Free Zones" and put up signs saying such.
 
2012-12-28 03:13:10 PM  
Common Sense Solution:

Dig a trench 6 foot deep below the tracks with a staircase.

Person is pushed onto tracks. Person walks over to staris and descends to avoid train.

EASY!!!
 
2012-12-28 03:15:55 PM  
www.simplifiedbuilding.com

Combine it with a sliding gate and problem solved.

Fortunately there's no organization howling about the right to railing-free subway platforms.

The difference between fixing this and fixing the firearm murder problem is illustrative as there is no industry which profits from having railing-free subway platforms.

Follow the money my pretties, follow the money.
 
2012-12-28 03:22:36 PM  
Mytch: Every subway platform I've been to in Seoul uses screens at the platform that open alongside the subway cars' doors. I don't know why we don't have them, and why there are no plans to install things like these when people using subways to murder people is easily preventable.

Because the MTA doesn't have unlimited resources and most of us would prefer stations get "when's the next train" clocks before doors that would be a nightmare to maintain, probably wouldn't integrate very easily with a 100+ year old system, and might save 3 lives a year.
 
2012-12-28 03:22:49 PM  
This is definition of a hero:

"On January 2, 2007, Autrey was waiting for a train at the 137th Street - City College subway station in Manhattan with his two young daughters. At around 12:45 p.m., he and two women noticed a young man, Cameron Hollopeter, having a seizure. Autrey borrowed a pen and used it to keep Hollopeter's jaw open. Following the seizure, Hollopeter stumbled from the platform, falling onto the tracks.

As Hollopeter lay on the tracks, Autrey saw the lights of an oncoming train. As one of the women held Autrey's daughters back away from the edge of the platform, Autrey dove onto the tracks. He thought he would be able to take Hollopeter off the tracks, but he realized there was not enough time to drag Hollopeter away. Instead, he protected Hollopeter by throwing himself over Hollopeter's body in a drainage trench between the tracks, where he held him down. Though the operator of the train applied the brakes, all but two cars still passed over them, close enough to leave grease on his cap.[3]

Autrey told The New York Times "I don't feel like I did something spectacular; I just saw someone who needed help. I did what I felt was right." [3] Wesley is a member of the LIUNA union, Local 79, and credits his training with having helped him make the split-second decision: "Since I do construction work with Local 79, we work in confined spaces a lot. So I looked, and my judgment was pretty right. The train did have enough room for me."[4]
 
2012-12-28 03:29:46 PM  
It just occurred to me that Superman is both faster than a speeding bullet AND more powerful than a locomotive.
 
2012-12-28 03:44:00 PM  

bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

[i306.photobucket.com image 383x230]


Why? Because it's all Bush's fault and you're a racist.
 
2012-12-28 03:50:38 PM  
They need to be registered and regulated.

Better yet, just take away their tracks.
 
2012-12-28 03:51:28 PM  

JungleBoogie: This is definition of a hero:

"On January 2, 2007, Autrey was waiting for a train at the 137th Street - City College subway station in Manhattan with his two young daughters. At around 12:45 p.m., he and two women noticed a young man, Cameron Hollopeter, having a seizure. Autrey borrowed a pen and used it to keep Hollopeter's jaw open. Following the seizure, Hollopeter stumbled from the platform, falling onto the tracks.

As Hollopeter lay on the tracks, Autrey saw the lights of an oncoming train. As one of the women held Autrey's daughters back away from the edge of the platform, Autrey dove onto the tracks. He thought he would be able to take Hollopeter off the tracks, but he realized there was not enough time to drag Hollopeter away. Instead, he protected Hollopeter by throwing himself over Hollopeter's body in a drainage trench between the tracks, where he held him down. Though the operator of the train applied the brakes, all but two cars still passed over them, close enough to leave grease on his cap.[3]

Autrey told The New York Times "I don't feel like I did something spectacular; I just saw someone who needed help. I did what I felt was right." [3] Wesley is a member of the LIUNA union, Local 79, and credits his training with having helped him make the split-second decision: "Since I do construction work with Local 79, we work in confined spaces a lot. So I looked, and my judgment was pretty right. The train did have enough room for me."[4]


I'm surprised there was enough room in the drainage trench for the 2 of them and his enormous brass balls.
 
2012-12-28 03:54:04 PM  
But seriously. Did nobody watch the video in TFA?
 
2012-12-28 03:57:24 PM  
Known Pusher wanted for questioning

img51.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-28 04:21:15 PM  
it's called 'situational awareness', some have it, and some get pushed in front of a train by a crazy lady.

/also, a tactical turtleneck wouldn't have hurt
 
2012-12-28 04:22:23 PM  

SlothB77: in fact, you add the tucson guy and the miami face-eating guy, the one thing they all have in common is mental health issues.  When was the last time the suspect in one of these horrific national stories wasn't crazy?


So much this. We should be talking about mental health issues as much as gun control.
 
2012-12-28 04:29:05 PM  

asmodeus224: it's called 'situational awareness', some have it, and some get pushed in front of a train by a crazy lady.

/also, a tactical turtleneck wouldn't have hurt


In essence.... a Tactileneck?
 
2012-12-28 04:49:53 PM  
This happens in my small neck if Queens. My husband was Norge train that hit him. He assumed someone had jumped to their death. :-(
 
2012-12-28 05:03:42 PM  

SlothB77: willfullyobscure: well known FACT that trains are vital part of wild pig control efforts.

does anyone have the original wild pig thread saved somewhere?  that has now become a thing.  i was there when the wild pig meme was being born.  who was the person that advanced that theory?


Dancin_In_Anson

Link
 
2012-12-28 05:07:20 PM  

Zombie Neurosurgeon: While the physical sizes are similar, 7.5x more people take the NYC subway than Chicago's each year.


Also the physical sizes aren't very similar. Chicago has about 150 stations along 225 miles of track; New York, 400+ stations and 600+ miles of track.
 
2012-12-28 05:07:46 PM  

walkerhound: ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.

This argument makes sense, because like pit bulls, the only purpose of guns is to kill living things.  Why, I killed one of these with a gun just last week:

[www.bowzmart.com image 193x196]



I must admit to having taken part in the murder of thousands (yes, really) of those and its relatives.
I have killed them from 50ft out to a thousand yards. Not a single one of them were innocent. They all had it coming for one reason or another and I have lost zero sleep because of it. The world is safer because I dared hone my deadly skills at elimination of such targets. Imagine the tragic number of paper cuts I have prevented being inflicted on harmless victims and you will see why I am proud of what I have done.

Never used a train on them either although that would have been massively amusing.
 
2012-12-28 05:43:11 PM  
Late to the thread but the solution is obvious:

Ban all fatties.
 
2012-12-28 05:43:20 PM  

JungleBoogie: Combine it with a sliding gate and problem solved.

Fortunately there's no organization howling about the right to railing-free subway platforms.

The difference between fixing this and fixing the firearm murder problem is illustrative as there is no industry which profits from having railing-free subway platforms.

Follow the money my pretties, follow the money.


Or we could try improving mental health care in this country. There are a ton of rail platforms in this country, and adding gates to all of them would add up quickly. It might be cheaper than trying to add bubble wrap to everything because we're scared of crazy people shooting us, or pushing us in front of a train, or even just stabbing us.
 
2012-12-28 05:57:45 PM  

leonel: Just put some of these up, you skinflint cheapskates.

[dvice.com image 593x446]


The problem is that certain NYC sub-cultures view any new surface as their personal paint canvas because canvas and paper is too inconvenient.

Why do other major cities manage to have clean and tidy subways that don't reek of human excrement?
 
2012-12-28 08:50:06 PM  

ultimabeam: Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.


The only things I've killed with my guns in the past few years were targets, and bottles.

/won't someone think of the poor bottles?
 
2012-12-28 09:37:15 PM  
Clearly Bushmaster is at fault for this. I await award winning journalism to make that connection.
 
2012-12-28 09:59:19 PM  
Make subway areas No Pushing Zones with signs.
www.safetysignsandnotices.co.uk
 
2012-12-29 03:10:50 AM  

CheekyMonkey: KimNorth: Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?

Pretty sure that would be Ronald Reagan.

\time to legalize hunting the mentally-ill for sport?


Um, no. I seem to recall the 'set 'em free' trend back in the 70s. You may have to find another scapegoat.
 
2012-12-29 04:47:58 AM  
You can't ban subways because hippies use them too.
 
2012-12-29 06:24:05 AM  
You can't disagree that with no trains there would be no train related deaths.
...and unlike guns, we know exactly where all the trains are going.

/well, at least until train smugglers start putting tires on them.
/but its not like there are many flat and long surfaces they could use to roll for miles in every direction.
 
2012-12-29 06:52:43 AM  

KimNorth: Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?


You could replace "crazy" in there with "ni-BONG" and it would be just as offensive.
Last time we had big mental institutions, it ended with living conditions that make prison in the US look like a luxury.
 
2012-12-29 11:07:40 AM  

Pichu0102: KimNorth: Pardon me but what do all these killing have in common? Not guns, not knives, not hammers and not trains no, no, no....crazy. We need to go back to rounding up crazy and putting them away. Who's farken Stupid idea was it to let them roam free anyway? Was it the same people who thought a man who killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer could be safely returned to sociality instead of a mental institution?

You could replace "crazy" in there with "ni-BONG" and it would be just as offensive.
Last time we had big mental institutions, it ended with living conditions that make prison in the US look like a luxury.


Well no offence meant, as I always say we ALL be a little bit crazy. I just think we as society need to rethink how we handle the mentally ill. We go from one extreme of abusive lock ups to just throwing them out on the street where the stress or because the simple fact they are criminally insane they hurt others. We need more help, laws and change for the mentally ill not more weapon control.
 
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