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(USA Today)   For the second time this month, a man is killed by being pushed in front of a subway train. Time to ban subway trains   (usatoday.com) divider line 218
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2012-12-28 01:03:19 AM
Jack Mort wanted for questioning.
 
2012-12-28 01:17:45 AM
Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.
 
2012-12-28 02:02:03 AM
Time to ban subway trains

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2012-12-28 02:14:11 AM
I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!
 
2012-12-28 04:22:52 AM
ban pushers
 
2012-12-28 06:48:04 AM

bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains


After all of this discourse - how the hell do people still not understand the argument?
 
2012-12-28 07:57:13 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!


The solution already exists:  platform screen doors.
 
2012-12-28 09:47:30 AM
the perps in this case and the prior subway push case and the newtown, ct shooting and the aurora, CO shooting all have one thing in common - mental health issues.
 
2012-12-28 09:58:41 AM
BAN 4-FOOT DROPS.
 
2012-12-28 10:04:01 AM
in fact, you add the tucson guy and the miami face-eating guy, the one thing they all have in common is mental health issues.  When was the last time the suspect in one of these horrific national stories wasn't crazy?
 
2012-12-28 10:05:35 AM
All subway riders should be armed with their own trains.
 
2012-12-28 10:18:36 AM
The suspect was mumbling to herself incoherently and pacing around. So she was an annoying NPC from Assassin's Creed?

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2012-12-28 10:22:57 AM
the video of the lady running is very grainy and very brief.  i think it is sufficient for someone who knows her well and knows her jacket to recognize her.  beyond a reasonable doubt?  no.
 
2012-12-28 10:51:51 AM
Because this would cost money:

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2012-12-28 10:52:50 AM
Ban bare arms. Make everybody in the station wear those plastic ziptie handcuffs.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:07 AM

I_C_Weener: All subway riders should be armed with their own trains.


Rename them assault rifles and the NRA will support it.
 
2012-12-28 10:53:48 AM
If they would have been armed they could have just shot each other.....
 
2012-12-28 10:54:36 AM
"It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry"

Bob
 
2012-12-28 10:54:38 AM

spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


That would require some sort of socialized medicine.
 
2012-12-28 10:54:52 AM

Bontesla: bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains

After all of this discourse - how the hell do people still not understand the argument?


We call them trolls here on Fark
 
2012-12-28 10:55:09 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

[male robot voice]
Step away from the doors and away from the windows.
[/voice]

I was very upset when I went through Hartsfield a couple months ago and the voice was gone. But, to my knowledge, not one person has ever been pushed in front of those trains.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:21 AM
I love public transport, and subways most of all but these types of stories would stimulate my paranoia to the point that I'd be scanning the crowd constantly at any metro station looking for the random nutjob ready to push me or someone else over the edge. Then I'd be all out of position to get on the train. Freaking criminals! They ruin EVERYTHING.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:26 AM
He was killed 2 times in a month... nice respawn.
 
2012-12-28 10:55:36 AM

colinspooky: ban pushers


You don`t have enough vision.

Ban people. Hell, ban life altogether!
www.internationalhero.co.uk
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 10:56:20 AM
Submitteee is at home masturbating furiously over his wit.
 
2012-12-28 10:57:16 AM
Every subway platform should have armed guards!
 
2012-12-28 10:57:24 AM
Don't sleep in the subway darling.
 
2012-12-28 10:57:32 AM

colinspooky: ban pushers


Don't ban the pushers, they are victims too, the evil train coerced them to push.
 
2012-12-28 10:57:58 AM
Time to ban all arms, not just firearms.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 10:58:07 AM

spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


This would cost money that could be going to a very worthy CEO for an 6th summer home!
 
2012-12-28 11:01:37 AM
Time to ban subway trains

This argument makes sense, because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.
 
2012-12-28 11:01:47 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!


Sounds like the best idea here. My nuttier comrades should be able to get help, definitely, but remember that even people without serious mental health issues can push somebody in front of a train.

Since when do you have to be crazy to do some one-on-one population control?
 
2012-12-28 11:02:38 AM
That woman pushed the poor guy to his death with her arms.

It's time we had a rational discussion about disarming women.
 
2012-12-28 11:05:11 AM

INeedAName: I_C_Weener: All subway riders should be armed with their own trains.

Rename them assault rifles and the NRA will support it.


And Dianne Feinstein will write a bill to ban assault trains tomorrow.  Carolyn McCarthy will go on TV supporting Feinstein's ban and tell us how badly we need to reduce the passenger capacity of these assault cars to 10.  And when she's asked about banning the handrails inside the cars she won't even know what they are.
 
2012-12-28 11:05:18 AM

Citrate1007: spman:

[...]
Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.

That would require some sort of socialized medicine.


Dear Tea Partiers: This shows why "Obamacare" ain't socialist enough.
 
2012-12-28 11:05:25 AM

spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.



Excellent point. Lock up the crazies.

But how do you spot them?

Easy: Anyone who disagrees with my political opinions.
 
2012-12-28 11:06:20 AM
If they lady that got pushed had her own train, this never would have happened.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:03 AM

bingethinker: Time to ban subway trains


Thank You.


Quite enough, Fark.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:04 AM

ultimabeam: ... because like guns, trains' only purpose is to kill living things.


It's worse than you think. Trains also kill time.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:34 AM

Amos Quito: spman: Forget this deinstitutionalization nonsense. We need to go back to nuthouses, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest style. The vast majority of homeless and transient people out there suffer from a variety of mental disorders, with no help or assistance whatsoever, and this is what ends up happening. Get these nuts off the streets, and get them the help they need. Figure out some way to filter out the dangerous ones from the ones that merely have social problems or mild personality disorders that can be treated and allow them to be reintegrated back into society, and keep the dangerous ones locked away.


Excellent point. Lock up the crazies.

But how do you spot them?

Easy: Anyone who disagrees with my political opinions.


Easy. Look for the guy who is laying on the hood of your car beating off in the middle of the winter.

/Long story.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:34 AM
I heard the train had a bunch of 30 passenger cars, just waiting to unload on the next unsuspecting station.
 
2012-12-28 11:07:56 AM
 
2012-12-28 11:08:22 AM
Security footage of the suspect:
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-28 11:09:15 AM
We need armed teachers on every platform!
 
2012-12-28 11:09:47 AM

tricycleracer: Because this would cost money:

[cdn0.sbnation.com image 640x478]


New York has a LOT of subway stations and no money.
 
2012-12-28 11:09:50 AM
If we all carried guns this would never happen. We could just shoot people instead of pushing them. This isn't rocket science, people!
 
2012-12-28 11:10:05 AM
I assumed that people being hit by subway trains was extremely rare, but according to New York's MTA, 147 people were struck by subway trains and 47 killed, just last year. Sounds like an inherently dangerous product to me.
 
2012-12-28 11:10:20 AM
This discussion needs to get on track.
 
2012-12-28 11:10:34 AM
I suddenly find myself thinking about the time I saw a homeless man having a fight with a tree. The tree looked like it was doing well and standing up for itself but it just didn't have the speed to land any punches.

Anyway, mental illness is a touchy subject. Mainly because I suspect a lot of the people in the industry are mentally ill themselves, either via natural anomalies or reaction to things.
 
2012-12-28 11:10:35 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: I have a question.

I work in commercial construction. If I build a sidewalk or walkway with a "ledge" that's more than 12" high, a safety railing is required.

WTF is up with these death platforms at train and subway stations?!?!


Because you deserve at least one sincere answer:

The vast majority of the NYC subway system was built out before any rule like that was likely in place, and between labor costs, the sheer amount of stations, the 24-hour nature of the system making maintenance a right biatch, and station size it's legitimately a big ask of a constantly cash-strapped bureaucracy.

Also, the trains aren't automated, and you're asking a lot - A LOT - of your average subway train conductor to line up the train just so that the doors open at pre-determined spots on the platform.

For all the praise NYC gets for its embracing of mass transit, we're pretty far behind. Our signal system is still largely 50+ years old with only about 7 lines getting upgraded to something that allows any kind of real-time tracking. So what happens? People lean over the platform to see if a train is coming.

/ I think many are starting to think twice with all these stories cropping up.
// I know I am.
 
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