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2012-12-28 01:03:05 PM

Jster422: trippdogg: kregh99: I'm actually a fan of P90X and the like (Insanity, etc.). Once you remove the fancy packaging and trendy terms ("muscle confusion"), the basic principle is "Punish the shiat out of your body and you'll see results in a few months," which is accurate.

/ got my P90X as a gift, so didn't have to pay a dime.
// beats month after month of gym fees

While a punishing workout might show results for a while, you'll never be able to keep it up in the long run.

Fitness isn't a gimic, it's a life style. If you can't commit the next 40 years, you're really just wasting your time.
Get a gym membership. An unlimited membership at 24hr Fitness costs about $30 a month. Unless you're still working a paper route, that's farking nothing.
Don't bother with personal trainers. If you need a babysitter to watch you, you'll never keep it up.
Just listen to your body - it knows what it needs. Anything that is extremely painful or uncomfortable is not doing your body good in the long run. This include lifting overly heavy weights and long distance running (the average lifespan of a marathon runner is less than 60 years).
If what you're after is weight loss, diet is 75% of the battle. Other than that, hit the gym, observe and imitate - and above all, just keep moving (no one ever lost an ounce of fat sitting on a bench between sets).

You know, that might have worked great for you - but astonishingly, different people respond well to different situations. I spent 20 odd years bumping around different fitness routines, 'listening to my body' etc. Then I joined a Crossfit gym at 33 and am in better shape a year later than I was at 18. I look at it the same way I do taking my car to a mechanic or calling a plumber - the owner/trainer at my gym spends all their time putting together routines that complement/supplement/etc, and they have all of the equipment required already set up. Moreover, are the desk staff at the Bally's going to teach me proper form for a Clean&Jerk ...


That's real cute. A Crossfit gym showing anyone proper form.

Sweet joke.
 
2012-12-28 01:05:42 PM

buntz: Jster422: deep squats (of various types, incuding Overhead,

I just did those today at my box. I only started in September so I'm not that great on form/technique but Overhead Squats are the WORST for me. I'm not a big guy (don't need to lose any weight) and I started to simply get in shape, build a little upper body muscle, yada yada yada and for the most part I'm doing pretty good in every WoD they throw at me but the overhead squats? HATE them!!!! Can barely do the bar!


The advice that has (so far) helped me with those has been to keep my eyes on the wall in front of me - looking up or down just made the tendency to tip over even worse.

I don't like them either, but I'll take them over Thrusters any day.
 
2012-12-28 01:09:16 PM

MrJesus: That's real cute. A Crossfit gym showing anyone proper form.


I'm not sure where the venom is coming from, but I'm a 40 year old who never lifted a bar in his life. So for me to go to a gym and just start lifting weights, it just seems I wouldn't know what to do or the proper way to do it.

I feel like I'm being trained pretty well at CrossFit. I don't have any pride there. I freely admit A) I don't know what I'm doing and B) I want to be trained.

I'm not a "fitness snob" and certainly wouldn't belittle anyone for trying to better themselves.
 
2012-12-28 01:09:58 PM

MrJesus: Jster422: trippdogg: kregh99: I'm actually a fan of P90X and the like (Insanity, etc.). Once you remove the fancy packaging and trendy terms ("muscle confusion"), the basic principle is "Punish the shiat out of your body and you'll see results in a few months," which is accurate.

/ got my P90X as a gift, so didn't have to pay a dime.
// beats month after month of gym fees

While a punishing workout might show results for a while, you'll never be able to keep it up in the long run.

Fitness isn't a gimic, it's a life style. If you can't commit the next 40 years, you're really just wasting your time.
Get a gym membership. An unlimited membership at 24hr Fitness costs about $30 a month. Unless you're still working a paper route, that's farking nothing.
Don't bother with personal trainers. If you need a babysitter to watch you, you'll never keep it up.
Just listen to your body - it knows what it needs. Anything that is extremely painful or uncomfortable is not doing your body good in the long run. This include lifting overly heavy weights and long distance running (the average lifespan of a marathon runner is less than 60 years).
If what you're after is weight loss, diet is 75% of the battle. Other than that, hit the gym, observe and imitate - and above all, just keep moving (no one ever lost an ounce of fat sitting on a bench between sets).

You know, that might have worked great for you - but astonishingly, different people respond well to different situations. I spent 20 odd years bumping around different fitness routines, 'listening to my body' etc. Then I joined a Crossfit gym at 33 and am in better shape a year later than I was at 18. I look at it the same way I do taking my car to a mechanic or calling a plumber - the owner/trainer at my gym spends all their time putting together routines that complement/supplement/etc, and they have all of the equipment required already set up. Moreover, are the desk staff at the Bally's going to teach me proper form for a Clea ...


That's a pretty useful comment, thanks.

You're right though, I should just go to my local Olympic champion trainer who is eager to take some time out of his day to work with office drones trying to get in shape in their spare time. Or maybe I could just go to Youtube - that probably will give me good, solid, and applicable advice.
 
2012-12-28 01:11:44 PM

Jster422: The advice that has (so far) helped me with those has been to keep my eyes on the wall in front of me - looking up or down just made the tendency to tip over even worse.


No, my problem is simply getting my arms in that position. I'm horrible at ANY squats (air squats, wall balls, front squats etc.) so holding something in that awkward position is just hard for me.
I think if I could squat better everything else would fall into place
 
2012-12-28 01:11:56 PM

buntz: theMagni: I had good luck with the Wii Fit

I started with the Wii Fit (from ZERO activity) so it worked pretty well for over a year. But eventually there just wasn't any 'challenge' in the moves. I was able to run on the treadmill during the "free run" part. I eventually graduated from that to Insanity.


Yeah, it's a good start but I haven't used it in a long time. I don't even have a Wii anymore.

I just go to the gym, it's right next door.
 
2012-12-28 01:14:09 PM

dj_spanmaster: Yep, it borrowed and modified the design from walkers, for good reason - it's an efficient, strong design. I got it for $120 with the optional bench seat, if you were serious.


damn, that's expensive. still looks ridiculous.
 
2012-12-28 01:16:06 PM

buntz: MrJesus: That's real cute. A Crossfit gym showing anyone proper form.

I'm not sure where the venom is coming from, but I'm a 40 year old who never lifted a bar in his life. So for me to go to a gym and just start lifting weights, it just seems I wouldn't know what to do or the proper way to do it.

I feel like I'm being trained pretty well at CrossFit. I don't have any pride there. I freely admit A) I don't know what I'm doing and B) I want to be trained.

I'm not a "fitness snob" and certainly wouldn't belittle anyone for trying to better themselves.


There is no belittling towards anyone training in Crossfit for trying to better themselves.

There is plenty of belittling for 99% of Crossfit gym "owners" and "trainers" who continue to propagate a fitness program that relies on quantity over quality and apparently has no qualms with teaching terrible form and technique as a means to an end of meeting rep quotas. That doesn't even begin to get into the fact that there is no formal certification process and the forms that exist come from completely unqualified sources with no background in sports medicine, nutrition, or legitimate personal training whatsoever.

The rate of injury for Crossfit trainees is alarming and is due to a complete lack of oversight and care for the trainees.
 
2012-12-28 01:17:37 PM

Jster422: MrJesus: Jster422: trippdogg: kregh99: I'm actually a fan of P90X and the like (Insanity, etc.). Once you remove the fancy packaging and trendy terms ("muscle confusion"), the basic principle is "Punish the shiat out of your body and you'll see results in a few months," which is accurate.

/ got my P90X as a gift, so didn't have to pay a dime.
// beats month after month of gym fees

While a punishing workout might show results for a while, you'll never be able to keep it up in the long run.

Fitness isn't a gimic, it's a life style. If you can't commit the next 40 years, you're really just wasting your time.
Get a gym membership. An unlimited membership at 24hr Fitness costs about $30 a month. Unless you're still working a paper route, that's farking nothing.
Don't bother with personal trainers. If you need a babysitter to watch you, you'll never keep it up.
Just listen to your body - it knows what it needs. Anything that is extremely painful or uncomfortable is not doing your body good in the long run. This include lifting overly heavy weights and long distance running (the average lifespan of a marathon runner is less than 60 years).
If what you're after is weight loss, diet is 75% of the battle. Other than that, hit the gym, observe and imitate - and above all, just keep moving (no one ever lost an ounce of fat sitting on a bench between sets).

You know, that might have worked great for you - but astonishingly, different people respond well to different situations. I spent 20 odd years bumping around different fitness routines, 'listening to my body' etc. Then I joined a Crossfit gym at 33 and am in better shape a year later than I was at 18. I look at it the same way I do taking my car to a mechanic or calling a plumber - the owner/trainer at my gym spends all their time putting together routines that complement/supplement/etc, and they have all of the equipment required already set up. Moreover, are the desk staff at the Bally's going to teach me proper form f ...


No, if you want to learn proper form you either spend the time necessary using lower weights to achieve that goal or spend you money with someone properly certified to teach you how to do those things firsthand.

You may have one of the few Crossfit gym owners with any sort of qualification to do that. The overwhelming majority, however, do not.
 
2012-12-28 01:20:08 PM
I went to the Iowa Infomercial Institute, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2012-12-28 01:22:37 PM

dj_spanmaster: I've had a lot of luck with this one. Even comes with a diet plan.

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Note: that's me, gym in 26 minutes, etc


I love the ads for bodyweight/low resistance stuff that picture guys who look like that.

Then again anybody who thinks you look like that after doing some pushups and dips probably can't be trusted to lift heavy weights over his or her head.
 
2012-12-28 01:29:52 PM

SanjiSasuke: P90X? Insanity? Crossfit? I am disappoint.

Deep squats, full range bench and of course deadlifts are the true kings of physique. Need cardio? Run, a lot (never after leg day).


The 80s called. They want their repetitive stress injuries back. We have this thing called interval training now.
 
2012-12-28 01:32:09 PM

MrJesus: That doesn't even begin to get into the fact that there is no formal certification process and the forms that exist come from completely unqualified sources with no background in sports medicine, nutrition, or legitimate personal training whatsoever.


Hmm. I hadn't heard that. I naturally did some research before joining and all of my coaches seem to have proper weightlifting and personal training certification (not including "crossfit certification") but I suppose each box may vary.

And like I said, I'm still in on-ramp type classes, so although they do have AMRAP WoDs, I am never pushed to do as many rounds as possible, and simply do as many as I can, using proper technique.
I remind them, and myself, every day that I'm 40, new to this and have no pride when it comes to lifting (let alone the cardio stuff like box jumps, burpees, running, rowing, etc).

I don't know. I've had a good experience so far
 
2012-12-28 01:33:20 PM

Jster422: SanjiSasuke: P90X? Insanity? Crossfit? I am disappoint.

Deep squats, full range bench and of course deadlifts are the true kings of physique. Need cardio? Run, a lot (never after leg day).

Well, I guess gyms may vary, but deep squats (of various types, incuding Overhead, which I'd never even seen done before) and Deadlifts are critical elements of Crossfit.


Except Crossfit teaches really shiatty form and leads to injury. Seriously, don't do Crossfit unless you want to get injured. Kipping pullups are hell on the shoulder (and have zero benefit), doing olympic lifts/deadlifts for high amount of reps is stupid and leads to injury and some of the invented workouts are just plain dangerous. Not to mention most of their instructors (not all, but most) teach really shiatty form on nearly all the exercises. Any fitness program that emphasizes kipping pullups is a joke.


MrJesus: There is no belittling towards anyone training in Crossfit for trying to better themselves.

There is plenty of belittling for 99% of Crossfit gym "owners" and "trainers" who continue to propagate a fitness program that relies on quantity over quality and apparently has no qualms with teaching terrible form and technique as a means to an end of meeting rep quotas. That doesn't even begin to get into the fact that there is no formal certification process and the forms that exist come from completely unqualified sources with no background in sports medicine, nutrition, or legitimate personal training whatsoever.

The rate of injury for Crossfit trainees is alarming and is due to a complete lack of oversight and care for the trainees.


100% this.
 
2012-12-28 01:34:43 PM

These work really well depending on how you use them


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2012-12-28 01:43:16 PM
They're ridiculously overpriced too


Not if people are buying them.

/Economics 101, folks.
 
2012-12-28 01:48:52 PM
I just want to know why despite paying a wildly exorbitant cable bill, when I can't sleep at 4 AM all that's on are half-hour shill-fests for these obviously shoddy and ineffective chunks of dung?


/I sound fat
//There's a reason for that
///Bring back those Sex-A-Robics videos that made cable worth having in the '80s
////And The Venture Brothers
 
2012-12-28 01:49:08 PM

theMagni: buntz: theMagni: I had good luck with the Wii Fit

I started with the Wii Fit (from ZERO activity) so it worked pretty well for over a year. But eventually there just wasn't any 'challenge' in the moves. I was able to run on the treadmill during the "free run" part. I eventually graduated from that to Insanity.

Yeah, it's a good start but I haven't used it in a long time. I don't even have a Wii anymore.

I just go to the gym, it's right next door.


Aw, that's too bad. "Boardy" is going to miss you. " Do you want to hear a fitness tip?"

Admit it: the wife found out about you and that hot, yoga-panted greyish-skinned female trainer. Always with the sexy talk: "You're keeping a nice pace", "You've got great posture", "Have sex every day to tone your waistline".

/yes, I own a Wii, Wii Fit and WiiFit Plus. Started using it again a month ago after an absence of (according to Boardy)... 504 days. I was..uh.. busy with work, alright!!
 
2012-12-28 01:53:13 PM
ERB did it.

/"But wait there's more..."
 
2012-12-28 01:55:28 PM

Jster422: SanjiSasuke: P90X? Insanity? Crossfit? I am disappoint.

Deep squats, full range bench and of course deadlifts are the true kings of physique. Need cardio? Run, a lot (never after leg day).

Well, I guess gyms may vary, but deep squats (of various types, incuding Overhead, which I'd never even seen done before) and Deadlifts are critical elements of Crossfit.


I'm aware of Crossfit's attempt to be proper, the issue is that most people who do it do it all wrong. Plus I don't see why one can't just work on flexibility, speed and strength separately, but without interfering.
He doesn't either:
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-28 02:01:48 PM
A number of years ago I did a tax project for a company that infomercial markets exercisze equipment. One of the things I learned was that the 'models' in the commercials doing the exercizes are 'naturally' well toned and do little exercize to stay that way. Why that fact stuck with me I will never know, but it did convince me that the equipment probably didn't work as advertised.
 
2012-12-28 02:03:10 PM

snocone: ChipNASA: B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b - b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-uuuuuuuuuu uuuuttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
THIGH-MASTER with OPTIONAL SUZANNE SOMERS
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I'll still pay postage on her.


You can have her

www.cosmeticsurgerytruth.com
 
2012-12-28 02:10:03 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: snocone: ChipNASA: B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b - b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-uuuuuuuuuu uuuuttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
THIGH-MASTER with OPTIONAL SUZANNE SOMERS
[www.awesomehq.com image 340x253]

I'll still pay postage on her.

You can have her

[www.cosmeticsurgerytruth.com image 448x336]


Ah, a Jocelyn wannabe.
 
2012-12-28 02:10:10 PM

trippdogg: kregh99: I'm actually a fan of P90X and the like (Insanity, etc.). Once you remove the fancy packaging and trendy terms ("muscle confusion"), the basic principle is "Punish the shiat out of your body and you'll see results in a few months," which is accurate.

/ got my P90X as a gift, so didn't have to pay a dime.
// beats month after month of gym fees

While a punishing workout might show results for a while, you'll never be able to keep it up in the long run.

Fitness isn't a gimic, it's a life style. If you can't commit the next 40 years, you're really just wasting your time.
Get a gym membership. An unlimited membership at 24hr Fitness costs about $30 a month. Unless you're still working a paper route, that's farking nothing.
Don't bother with personal trainers. If you need a babysitter to watch you, you'll never keep it up.
Just listen to your body - it knows what it needs. Anything that is extremely painful or uncomfortable is not doing your body good in the long run. This include lifting overly heavy weights and long distance running (the average lifespan of a marathon runner is less than 60 years).
If what you're after is weight loss, diet is 75% of the battle. Other than that, hit the gym, observe and imitate - and above all, just keep moving (no one ever lost an ounce of fat sitting on a bench between sets).


I hope you can back that statistic up with some evidence.
 
2012-12-28 02:10:51 PM

vudukungfu: But they fit right under you bed.


But then they don't work as clothes hangers.
 
2012-12-28 02:17:12 PM

dj_spanmaster: Ctrl-Alt-Del: snocone: ChipNASA: B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b - b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-uuuuuuuuuu uuuuttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
THIGH-MASTER with OPTIONAL SUZANNE SOMERS
[www.awesomehq.com image 340x253]

I'll still pay postage on her.

You can have her

[www.cosmeticsurgerytruth.com image 448x336]

Ah, a Jocelyn wannabe.


It's a shame, too, because she really did hold it together remarkably well into her early sixties. Just 3 or 4 years ago I would have been talking about how she looked great for her age
 
2012-12-28 02:19:09 PM

MrJesus: Jster422: MrJesus: Jster422: trippdogg: kregh99: I'm actually a fan of P90X and the like (Insanity, etc.). Once you remove the fancy packaging and trendy terms ("muscle confusion"), the basic principle is "Punish the shiat out of your body and you'll see results in a few months," which is accurate.

/ got my P90X as a gift, so didn't have to pay a dime.
// beats month after month of gym fees

While a punishing workout might show results for a while, you'll never be able to keep it up in the long run.

Fitness isn't a gimic, it's a life style. If you can't commit the next 40 years, you're really just wasting your time.
Get a gym membership. An unlimited membership at 24hr Fitness costs about $30 a month. Unless you're still working a paper route, that's farking nothing.
Don't bother with personal trainers. If you need a babysitter to watch you, you'll never keep it up.
Just listen to your body - it knows what it needs. Anything that is extremely painful or uncomfortable is not doing your body good in the long run. This include lifting overly heavy weights and long distance running (the average lifespan of a marathon runner is less than 60 years).
If what you're after is weight loss, diet is 75% of the battle. Other than that, hit the gym, observe and imitate - and above all, just keep moving (no one ever lost an ounce of fat sitting on a bench between sets).

You know, that might have worked great for you - but astonishingly, different people respond well to different situations. I spent 20 odd years bumping around different fitness routines, 'listening to my body' etc. Then I joined a Crossfit gym at 33 and am in better shape a year later than I was at 18. I look at it the same way I do taking my car to a mechanic or calling a plumber - the owner/trainer at my gym spends all their time putting together routines that complement/supplement/etc, and they have all of the equipment required already set up. Moreover, are the desk staff at the Bally's going to teach me pro ...

The overwhelming majority, however, do not.


Fair, though my sample size is small, but the owners of my gym have lamented the lack of requirements for certification. They have also been training since before the advent of Crossfit, and have various other education/certification - but at the end of the day I'm still taking a lot on faith. They are very clear about when to back off vs. push for more, and erring on the side of safety (and we spend a lot of time learning to safely bail out) - but that's all subjective.

It does beg the question of how, given the variety of professional certifications and various governing bodies for 'personal trainers', any layman can objectively judge a prospective trainer beyond 'well, he/she is obviously in better shape than I am'.
 
2012-12-28 02:28:54 PM
Link

Why would Lanny Pofo life to us?
 
zez
2012-12-28 02:29:44 PM
This is the only piece of fun equipment I need (I didn't say exercise because it's more fun than work). Road, trail, it does it all. Lost 50 pounds over the summer and had a blast doing it.

www.cxmagazine.com
 
2012-12-28 02:30:33 PM
Tug Toner.

That is all.
 
2012-12-28 02:52:56 PM
A nice 8-lane indoor heated pool was opened up earlier this year by the city where I live. Swimming laps freestyle isn't the most exciting exercise in the world - and it doesn't seem to rid me of my gut - but it is a good way to show your heart and lungs you still care.
 
2012-12-28 02:56:32 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: A nice 8-lane indoor heated pool was opened up earlier this year by the city where I live. Swimming laps freestyle isn't the most exciting exercise in the world - and it doesn't seem to rid me of my gut - but it is a good way to show your heart and lungs you still care.


I tried that too. Had to work on the diet simultaneously to do anything about the gut.
 
2012-12-28 02:59:34 PM
I've started taking martial arts classes. Signed the whole family up, and we go at least 3 times a week. Good exercise and learning something useful as well, not just pushing heavy objects or running and going nowhere.
Plus my two daughters will be able to fend off those icky boys when they come over.
 
2012-12-28 03:27:44 PM

zez: This is the only piece of fun equipment I need (I didn't say exercise because it's more fun than work). Road, trail, it does it all. Lost 50 pounds over the summer and had a blast doing it.

[www.cxmagazine.com image 850x547]


Huzzah!
 
2012-12-28 03:41:27 PM
Just an excuse to post these.

Ace Power
Flaccid Flexor
Shake Weight
 
2012-12-28 03:43:22 PM
What's the best exercise equipment?

The one you'll use. No matter what gimmick is out there, it all comes down to eating reasonably (most important), and exercise. You need to be active during as much of the day as possible....and if you're eating right, it's fairly straight forward.

I went through a long time of being overweight despite lots of exercise (riding 100+ miles a week)...and eventually realized that diet is far more important than exercise for weight control. Unless you're riding the Tour de France, you can out-eat ANY exercise regimen. (trust me, I did). Once I realized that I was stress / boredom eating a lot, fixing those issues did far more for me than any exercise equipment or routine. I've lost 17 lbs since 11/15. Still have a ways to go, but eating right has made things much easier.

That being said, my 2 favorite pieces of exercise equipment are:
s2.hubimg.com

This.....
www.comparestoreprices.co.uk

And these - seriously...if you just get out the door and walk, you can do that all day long and not get injured.

sidomoro.com
 
2012-12-28 03:55:09 PM

kokomo61: And these - seriously...if you just get out the door and walk, you can do that all day long and not get injured.


I'm living proof. I've hated "working out" all of my life. Exercise feels like unwarranted punishment to me. That's just the way it is.

But fast-walking is the tits. I can maintain a steady 4-mph pace for hours, with little or no rest at all. And it feels great to me. Best of all, I have some really long and well-maintained trails through the woods near my home. Mrs_Fab and I walk together, and it's benefited both of us tremendously.

[/testimony]
 
2012-12-28 04:15:57 PM
I do enjoy the Brazilian Butt lift DVD infomertials. We need more like that.
 
2012-12-28 05:20:03 PM

titwrench: kregh99: I'm actually a fan of P90X and the like (Insanity, etc.). Once you remove the fancy packaging and trendy terms ("muscle confusion"), the basic principle is "Punish the shiat out of your body and you'll see results in a few months," which is accurate.

/ got my P90X as a gift, so didn't have to pay a dime.
// beats month after month of gym fees

My girlfriend went from a little doughy to rock solid in about 45 days and now she's built like a swimsuit model and still does Insanity every morning.


Canada has a market for swimsuit models??
 
2012-12-28 05:35:38 PM

Prof. Ann Marion: titwrench: kregh99: I'm actually a fan of P90X and the like (Insanity, etc.). Once you remove the fancy packaging and trendy terms ("muscle confusion"), the basic principle is "Punish the shiat out of your body and you'll see results in a few months," which is accurate.

/ got my P90X as a gift, so didn't have to pay a dime.
// beats month after month of gym fees

My girlfriend went from a little doughy to rock solid in about 45 days and now she's built like a swimsuit model and still does Insanity every morning.

Canada has a market for swimsuit models??


She is from Niagra Falls. You wouldn't know her.
 
2012-12-28 07:09:13 PM
Nothing will ever top the $14K ROM.

Still on the market, still claims a 4-minute workout, still suckering rich folks everywhere.
 
2012-12-28 07:16:29 PM

MycroftHolmes: Most people lose their momentum when they find out that no matter the system, no matter the equipment, exercise is still hard work if it is going to be effective.


That's exactly what happened to me.
 
2012-12-28 08:36:13 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: dj_spanmaster: Ctrl-Alt-Del: snocone: ChipNASA: B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b - b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-uuuuuuuuuu uuuuttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
THIGH-MASTER with OPTIONAL SUZANNE SOMERS
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I'll still pay postage on her.

You can have her

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Ah, a Jocelyn wannabe.

It's a shame, too, because she really did hold it together remarkably well into her early sixties. Just 3 or 4 years ago I would have been talking about how she looked great for her age


Welll, Pillgrimm, this beholder's eyes are still seeing a woman younger than I.
 
2012-12-29 01:06:55 PM

ChipNASA: Clemkadidlefark: I raise beef which means hard hard work.

No time to get muscle beach buff, but I guarantee you all them city-pusses who bounce around sweaty and ripped ain't ready to wrangle beef and such. It's a whole different kind of strength.

I do the same thing and I can do it with one hand.


Let me put you in touch with the insemination department over at the genetics lab ....

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