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(Austin Statesman)   Houston McCoy, the Austin police officer who stopped University of Texas Tower sniper Charles Whitman more than 46 years ago, died early Thursday afternoon. He was 72   (statesman.com) divider line 147
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2012-12-28 03:20:25 AM

Rhino_man: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.


So, since there wasn't anymore bullets in his pistol, he actually didn't have a gun anymore. I guess you're wrong, sir.
 
2012-12-28 03:21:45 AM

Tumunga: [www.cheezeball.net image 500x500]

RIP Slim


I swear to the FSM that I'm tired of seeing Josh Brolin in everything.
 
2012-12-28 03:23:50 AM

The Southern Dandy: Houston McCoy was a good guy with a gun.

RIP Mr MCoy


2.bp.blogspot.com

RIP Kilroy
 
2012-12-28 03:25:01 AM
Here in Texas, officer McCoy is also known as "the guy who interfered with that Real American's 2nd Amendment Rights."
 
2012-12-28 03:28:07 AM
I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....
 
2012-12-28 03:29:23 AM

violentsalvation: Thank you for killing that bastard. R.I.P.


I'm not knocking the guy, he was a hero, Whitman was out of control and had to be put down...

But calling Whitman a bastard does little in light of the knowledge of the tragedy of this particular shooting was - not just for his victims at the university - but the shooter and his spiral into destruction.

He's often used in criminal justice textbooks - not because of his actions, but because of their cause. Whitman had a ludicrously large brain tumor... he was, with his letters and speaking with people, documenting his descent into madness and his helplessness in understanding why these changes were overcoming him.

He's an example of how unwise it is to be quick to judge the "why" of these things. I pity the man... he was genuinely diseased and a passenger for his own destruction. It's hard to imagine anyone blameless, especially of such wanton violence, but if it is possible he's at the top of the list.

It would have been better for someone to take him out quicker, taking him alive is almost academic as medical professionals were pretty convinced he was a dead man walking considering how far gone the tumor was. It's a baffling case to this day. But this is one of those rare events where the guy with the gun should probably be chalked up as a victim as well.

Just my opinion.

/99% of these shooters are just total evil douchebags...
//this, to me, is the tragic exception.
 
2012-12-28 03:30:46 AM

James F. Campbell: leadmetal: How do you stop bad guys from having guns without guns?

I guess if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


Well, I supposed government could use it's other tool, explosives. Either in bomb or missile form.

What other tool does government have? All it ultimately has is violence.
 
2012-12-28 03:30:52 AM

ladyfortuna: Wayne 985: This always reminds me of The X-Files. They had some odd episode where a guy was under mind control, climbed a clock tower at a university, and began sniping people. Mulder, of course, found a way to save the day. I saw that as a kid and it wasn't until much later that I realized it took a lot of inspiration from a real event.

... Yeah, I have nothing of substance to contribute here.

I recently finished a marathon of the 'Files, and that episode instantly came to mind upon reading the headline.

... no substance here either...


I once thought Planet of the Apes was real when the news said that guerrillas attacked a school in Rhodesia.
 
2012-12-28 03:37:40 AM

The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.


Also, released the same year of the shooting:

www.gooddealgames.com
 
2012-12-28 03:39:15 AM

Captain James T. Smirk: RIP Sir. Your name, your accomplishments, and your memory will live on with your family and the families of those you saved that day.


hey dork, dead people don't read the internet...just saying...
_________________

I can't wait for the "heroes" from Kent State get 21 gun salutes too.

all these gun nut /dead war monger suckhole threads just warm my heart.

thathowyadoit?

Gunmerica for the win!

20 bux says some nut tard shoots up a mall again in the next three weeks.
 
2012-12-28 03:46:26 AM

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy  ...a highly-trained law enforcement professional with a gun and lots of back-up, better regulations to keep the "bad guy" from getting the gun in the first place, and better mental healthcare to treat spree killers who are usually crazy people, which means more evil Socialism booga booga booga!

 
2012-12-28 03:47:23 AM

Haliburton Cummings: Captain James T. Smirk: RIP Sir. Your name, your accomplishments, and your memory will live on with your family and the families of those you saved that day.

hey dork, dead people don't read the internet...just saying...
_________________

I can't wait for the "heroes" from Kent State get 21 gun salutes too.

all these gun nut /dead war monger suckhole threads just warm my heart.

thathowyadoit?

Gunmerica for the win!

20 bux says some nut tard shoots up a mall again in the next three weeks.


Maybe? This kind of thing is sort of like when the media gets a hold of something like Volcanos and start reporting on them....

Some shootings even got missed, the one in Seattle with like 5 dead and a chase got pushed out for other news earlier this year.

Or how about continuing to ignore the bloodshed and gun violence in the inner city. Lord knows they haven't exactly stopped in say... the West side where I live, or St. Louis, or any city really...

I could list why it's ignored, but ... I think we all know the reasons.

Oh and what about the professional assassination in midtown Manhattan? Eh... our news is all kinds of messed up right now.

/sucks all around.
 
2012-12-28 03:57:50 AM

fusillade762: The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.

Also, released the same year of the shooting:

[www.gooddealgames.com image 600x400]



One of my old Fark 'Shops:

img534.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-28 04:04:23 AM

ThighsofGlory: Bathia_Mapes: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?

The shooting happened in Austin, not Houston, numbnuts

*facepalm*

Dude's name was Houston, dear.


I know. The *facepalm* was directed at Dow Jones.
 
2012-12-28 04:13:28 AM

Researcher: Haliburton Cummings: Captain James T. Smirk: RIP Sir. Your name, your accomplishments, and your memory will live on with your family and the families of those you saved that day.

hey dork, dead people don't read the internet...just saying...
_________________

I can't wait for the "heroes" from Kent State get 21 gun salutes too.

all these gun nut /dead war monger suckhole threads just warm my heart.

thathowyadoit?

Gunmerica for the win!

20 bux says some nut tard shoots up a mall again in the next three weeks.

Maybe? This kind of thing is sort of like when the media gets a hold of something like Volcanos and start reporting on them....

Some shootings even got missed, the one in Seattle with like 5 dead and a chase got pushed out for other news earlier this year.

Or how about continuing to ignore the bloodshed and gun violence in the inner city. Lord knows they haven't exactly stopped in say... the West side where I live, or St. Louis, or any city really...

I could list why it's ignored, but ... I think we all know the reasons.

Oh and what about the professional assassination in midtown Manhattan? Eh... our news is all kinds of messed up right now.

/sucks all around.


it's the ol ' "WHITE GIRL MISSING!!!"

who cares about the black girl?

it's a bad side effect of the media culture...

so race, class etc...

if that was an all black school with all black kids in a slum (anywhere in america really) , the media woulda burned it hot for 48 hours and dumped it...


Justin Beiber sharts himself? Snookie gets married to a pimp? thats news...

same could be said for the kids getting shelled in Israel/Gaza or civilians in Afghanistan...

what makes one life worth more than another?

insert Howard Beale pic here...
 
2012-12-28 04:15:51 AM

billybobtoo: I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....


The crimes were very close. Richard Speck murdered 8 student nurses on July 14, 1966. Charles Whitman went on his murderous shooting spree on August 1, 1966.
 
2012-12-28 04:19:32 AM
now i have farking "dirty laundry" stuck in my head...


i'll tell ya all something too...

i like what America "stood" for. on paper it looks good.
as much as i troll, I respect a guy who will lay his life on the line because even though he thinks its 911 or no commies whtvr, he's trying to do his part.

i respect that.

but the bullshiat in the middle? no thanks.

America isn't the envy of the world...it's the arsehole of everywhere.
it's the new nazi regime...

and that's sad..

help your poor.
feed your hungry.
shelter your homeless.
bring aid to the sick.

that's how you fix things.

you got some sick people running your show.
do something about it.

happy holidays to everyone...
my pizza pop is ready
 
2012-12-28 04:49:17 AM
46 years? What a terrible shot.

/if only we had had god in schools back then
//oh wait
///yadda yadda
 
2012-12-28 04:58:24 AM

Haliburton Cummings: now i have farking "dirty laundry" stuck in my head...


i'll tell ya all something too...

i like what America "stood" for. on paper it looks good.
as much as i troll, I respect a guy who will lay his life on the line because even though he thinks its 911 or no commies whtvr, he's trying to do his part.

i respect that.

but the bullshiat in the middle? no thanks.

America isn't the envy of the world...it's the arsehole of everywhere.
it's the new nazi regime...

and that's sad..

help your poor.
feed your hungry.
shelter your homeless.
bring aid to the sick.

that's how you fix things.

you got some sick people running your show.
do something about it.

happy holidays to everyone...
my pizza pop is ready


Yeah.....Spain. Perfect example on how to "do things right"

What are you on, your 2nd or 3rd financial bailout?

America is still the Number 1 provider of humanitarian assistance worldwide. What has your little shiatehole of a country done lately?
 
2012-12-28 05:04:55 AM
The Austin news did a really good piece on him tonight, which included bits of an interview from 2006. He seemed like a really good guy, and that's about the highest compliment I can give someone.
 
2012-12-28 05:10:08 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-12-28 05:11:07 AM
www.global-air.com

From the article: Officer Houston McCoy, who suffered for years from what was diagnosed in 1998 as post traumatic stress disorder from the events of that day, was awarded over two million dollars from the Texas Workers Compensation. The city of Austin sued, claiming there was no way to know what caused the condition. McCoy could not pursue the claim for lack of money and representation. He was once quoted as saying, "If I get to heaven and see Charles Whitman, I'm going to have to kill him all over again." (new window)
 
2012-12-28 05:27:04 AM
csb

I was there. My family lived on campus there when it happened, and we were doing laundry about 2 blocks away. We went out and shot some lovely Super8 film of the campus the next day. That film is still around somewhere.

/csb
 
2012-12-28 06:05:08 AM

BassChild: Nothing To See Here: He was sitting up there for more than an hour,
Way up there on the Texas Tower
Shooting from the twenty-seventh floor. Yahoo!
He didn't choke or slash or slit them,
Not our Charles Joseph Whitman,
He won't be an architect no more.
Got up that morning calm and cool,
He picked up his guns and walked to school.
All the while he smiled so sweetly
And it blew their minds completely,
They'd never seen an Eagle Scout so cruel.

Kinky Friedman

Nice.  I'll add:

Sniper, by Harry Chapin


I can't believe it took that many posts for someone to make that reference.

That is still my favorite Chapin song.
 
2012-12-28 06:09:17 AM
Thanks for the link, subby. I'd never heard of Houston McCoy until today. Sounds like he was great guy.
 
2012-12-28 06:19:32 AM
PapermonkeyExpress


Glad you could shiat on this thread. Now off to ignore with you....
 
2012-12-28 06:33:01 AM
"A portion of McCoy's ashes will be put into the San Saba River, near where he was born and raised. The rest will be released with a helium balloon while the poem "High Flight" by John Gillespie Magee Jr. - a tribute to flying - will be read."

Some poor kid is probably going to find it after it comes back to earth. Hope they don't squeeze it too hard.
 
2012-12-28 06:36:07 AM
no calls for police brutality?

Good on you McCoy, rest well
 
2012-12-28 06:48:16 AM

fusillade762: The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.

Also, released the same year of the shooting:

[www.gooddealgames.com image 600x400]


BZZZZT! Wrong!!

TheMagnavox Odyssey is the world's first commercial home. It was first demonstrated in April 1972 and released in August of that year, predating the home consoles by three years.
 
2012-12-28 06:57:27 AM
No. It was Ramiro Martinez who stopped Whitman.
 
2012-12-28 06:57:59 AM

Rhino_man: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.


The Columbine and Newtown shooters were stopped by bad guys with guns . . .
 
2012-12-28 06:58:30 AM

PapermonkeyExpress: derpity derpity dooooooo!


Listen. Obamacare is now the law of the land. You can no longer be denied coverage due to your pre-existing mental illness, and the government will help you if you can't afford it.

Go ahead and go to the head doctor, before we read about you in a FARK headline.
 
2012-12-28 07:16:19 AM

ghare: PapermonkeyExpress: derpity derpity dooooooo!

Listen. Obamacare is now the law of the land. You can no longer be denied coverage due to your pre-existing mental illness, and the government will help you if you can't afford it.

Go ahead and go to the head doctor, before we read about you in a FARK headline.


I think there may already have been a submission but it wasn't greenlit...
 
2012-12-28 07:17:58 AM

SpeedyBB: HARTMAN: Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? None of you dumbasses knows? Private Cowboy?
COWBOY: Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir!

HARTMAN: That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twelve people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Private Snowball?

SNOWBALL: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!

HARTMAN: That's right, and do you know how far away he was?

SNOWBALL: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!

HARTMAN: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker?

JOKER: Sir, in the Marines, sir!

HARTMAN: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!

[Full Metal Jacket]


Awesome!
 
2012-12-28 07:21:18 AM
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2012-12-28 07:40:47 AM

TommyDeuce: Rhino_man: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.

The Columbine and Newtown shooters were stopped by bad guys with guns . . .


Did I say No bad guy with a gun is ever stopped by a good guy with a gun? No.

I said that *A* bad guy with a gun was stopped by a good guy without a gun. I proved an exception to this rule that's been thrown about like candy recently, thereby disproving the rule.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is a false statement. Period.

Tumunga:
So, since there wasn't anymore bullets in his pistol, he actually didn't have a gun anymore. I guess you're wrong, sir.

Are you high?
 
2012-12-28 07:48:46 AM

BalugaJoe: No. It was Ramiro Martinez who stopped Whitman.


That's what he might say, but he missed hitting him with his pistol. After McCoy fired the two fatal shots into Whitman's head and neck, Martinez fired a single shot into Whitman's arm and then ran away screaming that he got him.
 
2012-12-28 07:52:25 AM
Is anyone here old enough to remember the 1970s movie on this, that aired on NBC?
 
2012-12-28 07:56:59 AM
Ex-Texan
This former texan does
(I was leetle though)
 
2012-12-28 08:01:08 AM

hbk72777: "A portion of McCoy's ashes will be put into the San Saba River, near where he was born and raised. The rest will be released with a helium balloon while the poem "High Flight" by John Gillespie Magee Jr. - a tribute to flying - will be read."

Some poor kid is probably going to find it after it comes back to earth. Hope they don't squeeze it too hard.


Done correctly, the balloon will get to its maximum altitude and pop from lack of air pressure.

RIP budgie #35 and Tommy the cat.
 
2012-12-28 08:04:01 AM
Oh, sure, everyone thought McCoy was a real hero for getting Whitman, but they conveniently forget that he let Price and Haddad get away.
 
2012-12-28 08:07:40 AM

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.


Corporations and bombs are people?
 
2012-12-28 08:09:03 AM

Bathia_Mapes: billybobtoo: I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....

The crimes were very close. Richard Speck murdered 8 student nurses on July 14, 1966. Charles Whitman went on his murderous shooting spree on August 1, 1966.


I remember both. I was 10. There was an article in the paper about each. There were no editorials about gun control or mental health. Just a few saying mad dogs should be put down. And really, the bottom line is mad dogs should be put down.
 
2012-12-28 08:09:23 AM

James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.


Bombs aren't people.
 
2012-12-28 08:11:33 AM

James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.


No, it's like saying that you don't know if they're a "bad guy" until they've done something.

That whole innocent until proven guilty thing.
 
2012-12-28 08:18:55 AM

Bathia_Mapes: billybobtoo: I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....

The crimes were very close. Richard Speck murdered 8 student nurses on July 14, 1966. Charles Whitman went on his murderous shooting spree on August 1, 1966.


Official old timer here. I was a kid on vacation somewhere in Montana when Speck did his thing. That was a big deal. I kept the newspaper and still have it. Years later I met a woman who was the librarian in the prison where Speck was kept. I asked her if he had a library card but she didn't find that the least bit amusing.
 
2012-12-28 08:28:08 AM

vudukungfu: Bathia_Mapes: billybobtoo: I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....

The crimes were very close. Richard Speck murdered 8 student nurses on July 14, 1966. Charles Whitman went on his murderous shooting spree on August 1, 1966.

I remember both. I was 10. There was an article in the paper about each. There were no editorials about gun control or mental health. Just a few saying mad dogs should be put down. And really, the bottom line is mad dogs should be put down.


Right, since we are so good at identifying the ones you want to put down.

How many millions will get caught up in this mental health net? How much will it cost? Where is the money coming from?
 
2012-12-28 08:36:44 AM

StoPPeRmobile: How many millions will get caught up in this mental health net? How much will it cost? Where is the money coming from?


Nickle a bullet. Once you go nuts and kill a bunch of people, they should take you out and shoot you in the head.
Make it a dime. Do the double tap. And make them dig their own graves.

Cheap. I'll chip in $1 for the first ten wingnuts.
 
2012-12-28 08:39:03 AM

Ex-Texan: Is anyone here old enough to remember the 1970s movie on this, that aired on NBC?


Is that the one with Kurt Russell as Whitman? I didn't see it the first time around, but it was on one afternoon when I was home sick, or for a rain delay on an Indians game. I distinctly recall that it was on WUAB in Cleveland.
 
2012-12-28 08:44:16 AM
wild mafakin PIGS. Big problem, long time now. feral hogs since forever knaamean?
 
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