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(Austin Statesman)   Houston McCoy, the Austin police officer who stopped University of Texas Tower sniper Charles Whitman more than 46 years ago, died early Thursday afternoon. He was 72   (statesman.com ) divider line
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2012-12-27 11:39:47 PM  
Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?
 
2012-12-28 12:02:24 AM  
www.teenjury.com
I'm guessing that if he doesn't want Charles Whitman mentioned in his obit, he probably wouldn't appreciate the 21 gun salute UT has planned...
 
2012-12-28 12:02:46 AM  

poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?


The shooting happened in Austin, not Houston, numbnuts
 
2012-12-28 12:04:42 AM  
 
2012-12-28 12:10:57 AM  
he's just a good old boy

Never meanin' no harm?
 
2012-12-28 12:21:23 AM  

anddeforestkelly.files.wordpress.com
RIP McCoy

 
2012-12-28 12:30:42 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?

The shooting happened in Austin, not Houston, numbnuts


*facepalm*
 
2012-12-28 12:31:14 AM  
according to the autopsy, the fatal wounds were to Whitman's head and heart.

He never got over that one, white dove.
 
2012-12-28 12:35:51 AM  
This always reminds me of The X-Files. They had some odd episode where a guy was under mind control, climbed a clock tower at a university, and began sniping people. Mulder, of course, found a way to save the day. I saw that as a kid and it wasn't until much later that I realized it took a lot of inspiration from a real event.

... Yeah, I have nothing of substance to contribute here.
 
2012-12-28 12:45:09 AM  
Whitman.

Foreshadow.
 
2012-12-28 12:45:36 AM  
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
 
2012-12-28 12:46:51 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?

The shooting happened in Austin, not Houston, numbnuts


img3.ranker.com
 
2012-12-28 12:51:19 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.



FTFY

/or gal
 
2012-12-28 12:59:04 AM  

Nothing To See Here: He was sitting up there for more than an hour,
Way up there on the Texas Tower
Shooting from the twenty-seventh floor. Yahoo!
He didn't choke or slash or slit them,
Not our Charles Joseph Whitman,
He won't be an architect no more.
Got up that morning calm and cool,
He picked up his guns and walked to school.
All the while he smiled so sweetly
And it blew their minds completely,
They'd never seen an Eagle Scout so cruel.

Kinky Friedman


Nice.  I'll add:

Sniper, by Harry Chapin
 
2012-12-28 01:33:19 AM  
Rest in peace, Officer McCoy. Your valor, compassion and service to the public will NEVER be forgotten.
 
2012-12-28 01:52:39 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


Although a booby-trapped exploding receiver on Whitman's rifle would have been a hilarious alternative option...
 
2012-12-28 02:33:32 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


OUTSTANDING Private Snowball!
 
2012-12-28 02:33:43 AM  
Thank you for killing that bastard. R.I.P.
 
2012-12-28 02:35:10 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.
 
2012-12-28 02:37:18 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?

The shooting happened in Austin, not Houston, numbnuts


*SWOOSH*
 
2012-12-28 02:41:42 AM  
My mom was on campus that day and for some reason left a building to run to her car through Whitman's field of view. When she got home she told her mom that she left the building because she thought her mother would be worried sick. Grandma wasn't worried about her, she was worried about my aunt who was in high school. She was afraid she'd go see what was going on and get killed. According to my mom, some students from my aunt's high school went to gawk and got shot, but my aunt didn't go. Fortunately my mom's foolish behavior didn't get her killed.
 
2012-12-28 02:42:01 AM  
46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.
 
2012-12-28 02:42:51 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?

The shooting happened in Austin, not Houston, numbnuts

*facepalm*


Dude's name was Houston, dear.
 
2012-12-28 02:44:23 AM  
Charles Whitman. The prototypical gun nut. As the story goes, his autopsy showed that he had a brain tumor, which possibly, but not conclusively, may have provoked his killing spree.
 
2012-12-28 02:47:57 AM  
Since we're doing song lyrics...

That's why I say Hey man, nice shot.
Good shot man.
That's why I say hey man, nice shot.
good shot man.

/I wish I would've met you.
//Now it's a little late.
 
2012-12-28 02:48:27 AM  
Martinez also grabbed McCoy's shotgun and shot Whitman one more time as he lay on the ground.


Yeah, that'll learn him.
 
2012-12-28 02:49:04 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to prevent the bad guy from getting a gun to begin with? Or do bad guys have rights, too?
 
2012-12-28 02:52:21 AM  
Wow. I mean, all badassery aside, was there ever any doubt as to what this man would do with his life? Is there a more Texan name than Houston McCoy? The fact that he didn't become a Texas Ranger is, frankly, shocking. The fact that his death was due to smoking is definitely not. Anyone named Houston McCoy almost certainly smoked two packs of unflitereds a day, lit with dynamite and snubbed out on his bare palm in the midst of a game of horseshoes.

RIP Sir. Your name, your accomplishments, and your memory will live on with your family and the families of those you saved that day.

/Houston McCoy
//Had to say it one more time
 
2012-12-28 02:52:23 AM  
Houston McCoy was a good guy with a gun.

RIP Mr MCoy
 
2012-12-28 02:54:31 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a tactical nuclear device gun.

//Acceptable collateral damage.
 
2012-12-28 02:54:47 AM  

gopher321: Martinez also grabbed McCoy's shotgun and shot Whitman one more time as he lay on the ground.


Yeah, that'll learn him.


"Resisting arrest" and "Involuntary spasms due to shotgun wounds to the face" look remarkably similar.
 
2012-12-28 02:54:48 AM  

James F. Campbell: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to prevent the bad guy from getting a gun to begin with? Or do bad guys have rights, too?



Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.
 
2012-12-28 02:54:52 AM  

James F. Campbell: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to prevent the bad guy from getting a gun to begin with? Or do bad guys have rights, too?


Can we maybe not turn this thread into another stupid troll thread? A cool old dude that actually contributed something to society unlike us useless internet farkwads has died, show some respect, you.

//Plus we've had like 10^10 of those bloody threads already.
 
2012-12-28 02:55:47 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stopped  a this bad guy with a gun this time were several good trained professionals who had more guns, less of the brain-crazies, and more good fortune, than the bad guy.


/Fixed it for you! :D
//You're welcome! :D
 
2012-12-28 02:56:11 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Can we maybe not turn this thread into another stupid troll thread? A cool old dude that actually contributed something to society unlike us useless internet farkwads has died, show some respect, you.


Hey, asshole, I didn't bring it up. You're talking to the wrong person, so go fark yourself.
 
2012-12-28 02:58:54 AM  

richard_1963: Charles Whitman. The prototypical gun nut. As the story goes, his autopsy showed that he had a brain tumor, which possibly, but not conclusively, may have provoked his killing spree.


His problems had nothing to do with gun nuttery. He was being treated for mental illness (though treatment for that at the time was in its infancy) and in his letter he asked that after covering his bills, the remaining portion of his life insurance be donated " anonymously to a mental health foundation. Maybe research can prevent further tragedies of this type."

We probably should've recognized that letter as a warning and learned something from it.
 
2012-12-28 03:00:04 AM  

Jim_Callahan: James F. Campbell: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to prevent the bad guy from getting a gun to begin with? Or do bad guys have rights, too?

Can we maybe not turn this thread into another stupid troll thread? A cool old dude that actually contributed something to society unlike us useless internet farkwads has died, show some respect, you.

//Plus we've had like 10^10 of those bloody threads already.


Yes. Let's not resort to anything childish or pointlessly argumentative on Fark.  The Interwebz is srs bsns.

/Hats off to Mr. Houston and his fellow officers.
//But really, asking for maturity and Troll FreeTM discussion for an article involving firearms? Surely you jest.
 
2012-12-28 03:00:12 AM  
Apparently this tower shooter thing was back before cops formed a secure perimeter and waited for the shooting to stop.

James F. Campbell: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to prevent the bad guy from getting a gun to begin with? Or do bad guys have rights, too?


How do you stop bad guys from having guns without guns?
 
2012-12-28 03:02:13 AM  

leadmetal: Apparently this tower shooter thing was back before cops formed a secure perimeter and waited for the shooting to stop.

James F. Campbell: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to prevent the bad guy from getting a gun to begin with? Or do bad guys have rights, too?

How do you stop bad guys from having guns without guns?


With even other guns, Are you stupid?
 
2012-12-28 03:05:30 AM  

leadmetal: How do you stop bad guys from having guns without guns?


I guess if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
 
2012-12-28 03:08:26 AM  

Brian Ryanberger: leadmetal: Apparently this tower shooter thing was back before cops formed a secure perimeter and waited for the shooting to stop.

James F. Campbell: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to prevent the bad guy from getting a gun to begin with? Or do bad guys have rights, too?

How do you stop bad guys from having guns without guns?

With even other guns

moar Charles Whitman Sampler Pack., Are you stupid?
 
2012-12-28 03:12:57 AM  

FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.


This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.
 
2012-12-28 03:14:12 AM  
Nope, you lie. Guns cannot stop violence...well, according to tudorgirl.

/RIP, brave man.
 
2012-12-28 03:14:12 AM  

Wayne 985: This always reminds me of The X-Files. They had some odd episode where a guy was under mind control, climbed a clock tower at a university, and began sniping people. Mulder, of course, found a way to save the day. I saw that as a kid and it wasn't until much later that I realized it took a lot of inspiration from a real event.

... Yeah, I have nothing of substance to contribute here.


I recently finished a marathon of the 'Files, and that episode instantly came to mind upon reading the headline.

... no substance here either...
 
2012-12-28 03:16:13 AM  
and I'm drinking a shot of Ten High Kentucky Straight Sour Mash Bourbon Whiskey for you, sir.

/the good Ten High.
//not that "A blend" shiat.
///one more bottle left of the old stock at my favorite liquor store.
 
2012-12-28 03:16:48 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: according to the autopsy, the fatal wounds were to Whitman's head and heart.

He never got over that one, white dove.


double tap.
 
2012-12-28 03:17:35 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


Not according to Tudorgirl.

/tudorgirl
 
2012-12-28 03:18:47 AM  

The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-28 03:18:48 AM  
HARTMAN: Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? None of you dumbasses knows? Private Cowboy?
COWBOY: Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir!

HARTMAN: That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twelve people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Private Snowball?

SNOWBALL: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!

HARTMAN: That's right, and do you know how far away he was?

SNOWBALL: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!

HARTMAN: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker?

JOKER: Sir, in the Marines, sir!

HARTMAN: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!

[Full Metal Jacket]
 
2012-12-28 03:19:19 AM  

www.cheezeball.net

RIP Slim

 
2012-12-28 03:20:25 AM  

Rhino_man: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.


So, since there wasn't anymore bullets in his pistol, he actually didn't have a gun anymore. I guess you're wrong, sir.
 
2012-12-28 03:21:45 AM  

Tumunga: [www.cheezeball.net image 500x500]

RIP Slim


I swear to the FSM that I'm tired of seeing Josh Brolin in everything.
 
2012-12-28 03:23:50 AM  

The Southern Dandy: Houston McCoy was a good guy with a gun.

RIP Mr MCoy


2.bp.blogspot.com

RIP Kilroy

 
2012-12-28 03:25:01 AM  
Here in Texas, officer McCoy is also known as "the guy who interfered with that Real American's 2nd Amendment Rights."
 
2012-12-28 03:28:07 AM  
I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....
 
2012-12-28 03:29:23 AM  

violentsalvation: Thank you for killing that bastard. R.I.P.


I'm not knocking the guy, he was a hero, Whitman was out of control and had to be put down...

But calling Whitman a bastard does little in light of the knowledge of the tragedy of this particular shooting was - not just for his victims at the university - but the shooter and his spiral into destruction.

He's often used in criminal justice textbooks - not because of his actions, but because of their cause. Whitman had a ludicrously large brain tumor... he was, with his letters and speaking with people, documenting his descent into madness and his helplessness in understanding why these changes were overcoming him.

He's an example of how unwise it is to be quick to judge the "why" of these things. I pity the man... he was genuinely diseased and a passenger for his own destruction. It's hard to imagine anyone blameless, especially of such wanton violence, but if it is possible he's at the top of the list.

It would have been better for someone to take him out quicker, taking him alive is almost academic as medical professionals were pretty convinced he was a dead man walking considering how far gone the tumor was. It's a baffling case to this day. But this is one of those rare events where the guy with the gun should probably be chalked up as a victim as well.

Just my opinion.

/99% of these shooters are just total evil douchebags...
//this, to me, is the tragic exception.
 
2012-12-28 03:30:46 AM  

James F. Campbell: leadmetal: How do you stop bad guys from having guns without guns?

I guess if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


Well, I supposed government could use it's other tool, explosives. Either in bomb or missile form.

What other tool does government have? All it ultimately has is violence.
 
2012-12-28 03:30:52 AM  

ladyfortuna: Wayne 985: This always reminds me of The X-Files. They had some odd episode where a guy was under mind control, climbed a clock tower at a university, and began sniping people. Mulder, of course, found a way to save the day. I saw that as a kid and it wasn't until much later that I realized it took a lot of inspiration from a real event.

... Yeah, I have nothing of substance to contribute here.

I recently finished a marathon of the 'Files, and that episode instantly came to mind upon reading the headline.

... no substance here either...


I once thought Planet of the Apes was real when the news said that guerrillas attacked a school in Rhodesia.
 
2012-12-28 03:37:40 AM  

The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.


Also, released the same year of the shooting:

www.gooddealgames.com
 
2012-12-28 03:39:15 AM  

Captain James T. Smirk: RIP Sir. Your name, your accomplishments, and your memory will live on with your family and the families of those you saved that day.


hey dork, dead people don't read the internet...just saying...
_________________

I can't wait for the "heroes" from Kent State get 21 gun salutes too.

all these gun nut /dead war monger suckhole threads just warm my heart.

thathowyadoit?

Gunmerica for the win!

20 bux says some nut tard shoots up a mall again in the next three weeks.
 
2012-12-28 03:46:26 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy  ...a highly-trained law enforcement professional with a gun and lots of back-up, better regulations to keep the "bad guy" from getting the gun in the first place, and better mental healthcare to treat spree killers who are usually crazy people, which means more evil Socialism booga booga booga!

 
2012-12-28 03:47:23 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: Captain James T. Smirk: RIP Sir. Your name, your accomplishments, and your memory will live on with your family and the families of those you saved that day.

hey dork, dead people don't read the internet...just saying...
_________________

I can't wait for the "heroes" from Kent State get 21 gun salutes too.

all these gun nut /dead war monger suckhole threads just warm my heart.

thathowyadoit?

Gunmerica for the win!

20 bux says some nut tard shoots up a mall again in the next three weeks.


Maybe? This kind of thing is sort of like when the media gets a hold of something like Volcanos and start reporting on them....

Some shootings even got missed, the one in Seattle with like 5 dead and a chase got pushed out for other news earlier this year.

Or how about continuing to ignore the bloodshed and gun violence in the inner city. Lord knows they haven't exactly stopped in say... the West side where I live, or St. Louis, or any city really...

I could list why it's ignored, but ... I think we all know the reasons.

Oh and what about the professional assassination in midtown Manhattan? Eh... our news is all kinds of messed up right now.

/sucks all around.
 
2012-12-28 03:57:50 AM  

fusillade762: The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.

Also, released the same year of the shooting:

[www.gooddealgames.com image 600x400]



One of my old Fark 'Shops:

img534.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-28 04:04:23 AM  

ThighsofGlory: Bathia_Mapes: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?

The shooting happened in Austin, not Houston, numbnuts

*facepalm*

Dude's name was Houston, dear.


I know. The *facepalm* was directed at Dow Jones.
 
2012-12-28 04:13:28 AM  

Researcher: Haliburton Cummings: Captain James T. Smirk: RIP Sir. Your name, your accomplishments, and your memory will live on with your family and the families of those you saved that day.

hey dork, dead people don't read the internet...just saying...
_________________

I can't wait for the "heroes" from Kent State get 21 gun salutes too.

all these gun nut /dead war monger suckhole threads just warm my heart.

thathowyadoit?

Gunmerica for the win!

20 bux says some nut tard shoots up a mall again in the next three weeks.

Maybe? This kind of thing is sort of like when the media gets a hold of something like Volcanos and start reporting on them....

Some shootings even got missed, the one in Seattle with like 5 dead and a chase got pushed out for other news earlier this year.

Or how about continuing to ignore the bloodshed and gun violence in the inner city. Lord knows they haven't exactly stopped in say... the West side where I live, or St. Louis, or any city really...

I could list why it's ignored, but ... I think we all know the reasons.

Oh and what about the professional assassination in midtown Manhattan? Eh... our news is all kinds of messed up right now.

/sucks all around.


it's the ol ' "WHITE GIRL MISSING!!!"

who cares about the black girl?

it's a bad side effect of the media culture...

so race, class etc...

if that was an all black school with all black kids in a slum (anywhere in america really) , the media woulda burned it hot for 48 hours and dumped it...


Justin Beiber sharts himself? Snookie gets married to a pimp? thats news...

same could be said for the kids getting shelled in Israel/Gaza or civilians in Afghanistan...

what makes one life worth more than another?

insert Howard Beale pic here...
 
2012-12-28 04:15:51 AM  

billybobtoo: I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....


The crimes were very close. Richard Speck murdered 8 student nurses on July 14, 1966. Charles Whitman went on his murderous shooting spree on August 1, 1966.
 
2012-12-28 04:19:32 AM  
now i have farking "dirty laundry" stuck in my head...


i'll tell ya all something too...

i like what America "stood" for. on paper it looks good.
as much as i troll, I respect a guy who will lay his life on the line because even though he thinks its 911 or no commies whtvr, he's trying to do his part.

i respect that.

but the bullshiat in the middle? no thanks.

America isn't the envy of the world...it's the arsehole of everywhere.
it's the new nazi regime...

and that's sad..

help your poor.
feed your hungry.
shelter your homeless.
bring aid to the sick.

that's how you fix things.

you got some sick people running your show.
do something about it.

happy holidays to everyone...
my pizza pop is ready
 
2012-12-28 04:49:17 AM  
46 years? What a terrible shot.

/if only we had had god in schools back then
//oh wait
///yadda yadda
 
2012-12-28 04:58:24 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: now i have farking "dirty laundry" stuck in my head...


i'll tell ya all something too...

i like what America "stood" for. on paper it looks good.
as much as i troll, I respect a guy who will lay his life on the line because even though he thinks its 911 or no commies whtvr, he's trying to do his part.

i respect that.

but the bullshiat in the middle? no thanks.

America isn't the envy of the world...it's the arsehole of everywhere.
it's the new nazi regime...

and that's sad..

help your poor.
feed your hungry.
shelter your homeless.
bring aid to the sick.

that's how you fix things.

you got some sick people running your show.
do something about it.

happy holidays to everyone...
my pizza pop is ready


Yeah.....Spain. Perfect example on how to "do things right"

What are you on, your 2nd or 3rd financial bailout?

America is still the Number 1 provider of humanitarian assistance worldwide. What has your little shiatehole of a country done lately?
 
2012-12-28 05:04:55 AM  
The Austin news did a really good piece on him tonight, which included bits of an interview from 2006. He seemed like a really good guy, and that's about the highest compliment I can give someone.
 
2012-12-28 05:10:08 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-12-28 05:11:07 AM  
www.global-air.com

From the article: Officer Houston McCoy, who suffered for years from what was diagnosed in 1998 as post traumatic stress disorder from the events of that day, was awarded over two million dollars from the Texas Workers Compensation. The city of Austin sued, claiming there was no way to know what caused the condition. McCoy could not pursue the claim for lack of money and representation. He was once quoted as saying, "If I get to heaven and see Charles Whitman, I'm going to have to kill him all over again." (new window)
 
2012-12-28 05:27:04 AM  
csb

I was there. My family lived on campus there when it happened, and we were doing laundry about 2 blocks away. We went out and shot some lovely Super8 film of the campus the next day. That film is still around somewhere.

/csb
 
2012-12-28 06:05:08 AM  

BassChild: Nothing To See Here: He was sitting up there for more than an hour,
Way up there on the Texas Tower
Shooting from the twenty-seventh floor. Yahoo!
He didn't choke or slash or slit them,
Not our Charles Joseph Whitman,
He won't be an architect no more.
Got up that morning calm and cool,
He picked up his guns and walked to school.
All the while he smiled so sweetly
And it blew their minds completely,
They'd never seen an Eagle Scout so cruel.

Kinky Friedman

Nice.  I'll add:

Sniper, by Harry Chapin


I can't believe it took that many posts for someone to make that reference.

That is still my favorite Chapin song.
 
2012-12-28 06:09:17 AM  
Thanks for the link, subby. I'd never heard of Houston McCoy until today. Sounds like he was great guy.
 
2012-12-28 06:19:32 AM  
PapermonkeyExpress


Glad you could shiat on this thread. Now off to ignore with you....
 
2012-12-28 06:33:01 AM  
"A portion of McCoy's ashes will be put into the San Saba River, near where he was born and raised. The rest will be released with a helium balloon while the poem "High Flight" by John Gillespie Magee Jr. - a tribute to flying - will be read."

Some poor kid is probably going to find it after it comes back to earth. Hope they don't squeeze it too hard.
 
2012-12-28 06:36:07 AM  
no calls for police brutality?

Good on you McCoy, rest well
 
2012-12-28 06:48:16 AM  

fusillade762: The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.

Also, released the same year of the shooting:

[www.gooddealgames.com image 600x400]


BZZZZT! Wrong!!

TheMagnavox Odyssey is the world's first commercial home. It was first demonstrated in April 1972 and released in August of that year, predating the home consoles by three years.
 
2012-12-28 06:57:27 AM  
No. It was Ramiro Martinez who stopped Whitman.
 
2012-12-28 06:57:59 AM  

Rhino_man: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.


The Columbine and Newtown shooters were stopped by bad guys with guns . . .
 
2012-12-28 06:58:30 AM  

PapermonkeyExpress: derpity derpity dooooooo!


Listen. Obamacare is now the law of the land. You can no longer be denied coverage due to your pre-existing mental illness, and the government will help you if you can't afford it.

Go ahead and go to the head doctor, before we read about you in a FARK headline.
 
2012-12-28 07:16:19 AM  

ghare: PapermonkeyExpress: derpity derpity dooooooo!

Listen. Obamacare is now the law of the land. You can no longer be denied coverage due to your pre-existing mental illness, and the government will help you if you can't afford it.

Go ahead and go to the head doctor, before we read about you in a FARK headline.


I think there may already have been a submission but it wasn't greenlit...
 
2012-12-28 07:17:58 AM  

SpeedyBB: HARTMAN: Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? None of you dumbasses knows? Private Cowboy?
COWBOY: Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir!

HARTMAN: That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twelve people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Private Snowball?

SNOWBALL: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!

HARTMAN: That's right, and do you know how far away he was?

SNOWBALL: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!

HARTMAN: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker?

JOKER: Sir, in the Marines, sir!

HARTMAN: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!

[Full Metal Jacket]


Awesome!
 
2012-12-28 07:21:18 AM  
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2012-12-28 07:40:47 AM  

TommyDeuce: Rhino_man: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.

The Columbine and Newtown shooters were stopped by bad guys with guns . . .


Did I say No bad guy with a gun is ever stopped by a good guy with a gun? No.

I said that *A* bad guy with a gun was stopped by a good guy without a gun. I proved an exception to this rule that's been thrown about like candy recently, thereby disproving the rule.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is a false statement. Period.

Tumunga:
So, since there wasn't anymore bullets in his pistol, he actually didn't have a gun anymore. I guess you're wrong, sir.

Are you high?
 
2012-12-28 07:48:46 AM  

BalugaJoe: No. It was Ramiro Martinez who stopped Whitman.


That's what he might say, but he missed hitting him with his pistol. After McCoy fired the two fatal shots into Whitman's head and neck, Martinez fired a single shot into Whitman's arm and then ran away screaming that he got him.
 
2012-12-28 07:52:25 AM  
Is anyone here old enough to remember the 1970s movie on this, that aired on NBC?
 
2012-12-28 07:56:59 AM  
Ex-Texan
This former texan does
(I was leetle though)
 
2012-12-28 08:01:08 AM  

hbk72777: "A portion of McCoy's ashes will be put into the San Saba River, near where he was born and raised. The rest will be released with a helium balloon while the poem "High Flight" by John Gillespie Magee Jr. - a tribute to flying - will be read."

Some poor kid is probably going to find it after it comes back to earth. Hope they don't squeeze it too hard.


Done correctly, the balloon will get to its maximum altitude and pop from lack of air pressure.

RIP budgie #35 and Tommy the cat.
 
2012-12-28 08:04:01 AM  
Oh, sure, everyone thought McCoy was a real hero for getting Whitman, but they conveniently forget that he let Price and Haddad get away.
 
2012-12-28 08:07:40 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.


Corporations and bombs are people?
 
2012-12-28 08:09:03 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: billybobtoo: I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....

The crimes were very close. Richard Speck murdered 8 student nurses on July 14, 1966. Charles Whitman went on his murderous shooting spree on August 1, 1966.


I remember both. I was 10. There was an article in the paper about each. There were no editorials about gun control or mental health. Just a few saying mad dogs should be put down. And really, the bottom line is mad dogs should be put down.
 
2012-12-28 08:09:23 AM  

James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.


Bombs aren't people.
 
2012-12-28 08:11:33 AM  

James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.


No, it's like saying that you don't know if they're a "bad guy" until they've done something.

That whole innocent until proven guilty thing.
 
2012-12-28 08:18:55 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: billybobtoo: I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....

The crimes were very close. Richard Speck murdered 8 student nurses on July 14, 1966. Charles Whitman went on his murderous shooting spree on August 1, 1966.


Official old timer here. I was a kid on vacation somewhere in Montana when Speck did his thing. That was a big deal. I kept the newspaper and still have it. Years later I met a woman who was the librarian in the prison where Speck was kept. I asked her if he had a library card but she didn't find that the least bit amusing.
 
2012-12-28 08:28:08 AM  

vudukungfu: Bathia_Mapes: billybobtoo: I remember this, because I believe it happened about the time of the killing of all those student nurses, in or around Chicago. It was my introduction to "mass" killings. I was in high school. And then the 60's happened and we were on a roll....

The crimes were very close. Richard Speck murdered 8 student nurses on July 14, 1966. Charles Whitman went on his murderous shooting spree on August 1, 1966.

I remember both. I was 10. There was an article in the paper about each. There were no editorials about gun control or mental health. Just a few saying mad dogs should be put down. And really, the bottom line is mad dogs should be put down.


Right, since we are so good at identifying the ones you want to put down.

How many millions will get caught up in this mental health net? How much will it cost? Where is the money coming from?
 
2012-12-28 08:36:44 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: How many millions will get caught up in this mental health net? How much will it cost? Where is the money coming from?


Nickle a bullet. Once you go nuts and kill a bunch of people, they should take you out and shoot you in the head.
Make it a dime. Do the double tap. And make them dig their own graves.

Cheap. I'll chip in $1 for the first ten wingnuts.
 
2012-12-28 08:39:03 AM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone here old enough to remember the 1970s movie on this, that aired on NBC?


Is that the one with Kurt Russell as Whitman? I didn't see it the first time around, but it was on one afternoon when I was home sick, or for a rain delay on an Indians game. I distinctly recall that it was on WUAB in Cleveland.
 
2012-12-28 08:44:16 AM  
wild mafakin PIGS. Big problem, long time now. feral hogs since forever knaamean?
 
2012-12-28 08:46:53 AM  
 
2012-12-28 08:52:37 AM  
(looks in and sees the fark politicos are trying to threadjack)

Christ...you guys are something else.

RIP Houston McCoy
 
2012-12-28 08:53:56 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: now i have farking "dirty laundry" stuck in my head...


i'll tell ya all something too...

i like what America "stood" for. on paper it looks good.
as much as i troll, I respect a guy who will lay his life on the line because even though he thinks its 911 or no commies whtvr, he's trying to do his part.

i respect that.

but the bullshiat in the middle? no thanks.

America isn't the envy of the world...it's the arsehole of everywhere.
it's the new nazi regime...

and that's sad..

help your poor.
feed your hungry.
shelter your homeless.
bring aid to the sick.

that's how you fix things.

you got some sick people running your show.
do something about it.

happy holidays to everyone...
my pizza pop is ready


Your location is listed as Spain.

Call us when you finish digging up the mass graves from Franco's time.

I DO admire your courage in letting old age winnow those butchers from your government, though.

And it's been centuries since you guys seriously persecuted Jews, so ya got that going for you. I mean you only sheltered Vichy French Nazi collaborators into the 1980's, right?
 
2012-12-28 08:55:37 AM  
Hold on a second chief.  You mean to tell me that these mass shootings have been going on since the 1960s?  I think you'd better check your facts, bub.  Things have just recently gotten out of hand and we should start worrying now, not forty years ago.  Hell, just turn on the damn news media and you'll realize you're a damn fool.  Now go out to the garage and get me some 3-in-one oil so I can fark this chicken.
 
2012-12-28 08:56:20 AM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone here old enough to remember the 1970s movie on this, that aired on NBC?


Sure. My first thought was 'The Computer That Wore Tennis Shoes has a rifle? And he's shooting people'?

Kurt Russell played the heavy for the first time in a film, and while his character certainly had headaches, I had no idea of the actual severity of Whitman's brain tumor.

My entire knowledge of Charles Whitman is this film.
 
2012-12-28 08:59:28 AM  
I agree with Researcher. Clearly Whitman had to be killed and I'm glad he was, but I see him as a victim as well. He left a note that said, according to Wikipedia:

"If my life insurance policy is valid please pay off my debts [...] donate the rest anonymously to a mental health foundation. Maybe research can prevent further tragedies of this type."

He kept writing that he didn't understand why he was doing the things he was. That just makes me really sad.
 
2012-12-28 09:03:02 AM  
Obviously, we must ban bell towers so this terrible tragedy can never happen again.
 
2012-12-28 09:04:52 AM  
Another gun thread controlled by dorm dwelling proletariats.
 
2012-12-28 09:06:20 AM  

Researcher: violentsalvation: Thank you for killing that bastard. R.I.P.

I'm not knocking the guy, he was a hero, Whitman was out of control and had to be put down...

But calling Whitman a bastard does little in light of the knowledge of the tragedy of this particular shooting was - not just for his victims at the university - but the shooter and his spiral into destruction.

He's often used in criminal justice textbooks - not because of his actions, but because of their cause. Whitman had a ludicrously large brain tumor... he was, with his letters and speaking with people, documenting his descent into madness and his helplessness in understanding why these changes were overcoming him.

He's an example of how unwise it is to be quick to judge the "why" of these things. I pity the man... he was genuinely diseased and a passenger for his own destruction. It's hard to imagine anyone blameless, especially of such wanton violence, but if it is possible he's at the top of the list.

It would have been better for someone to take him out quicker, taking him alive is almost academic as medical professionals were pretty convinced he was a dead man walking considering how far gone the tumor was. It's a baffling case to this day. But this is one of those rare events where the guy with the gun should probably be chalked up as a victim as well.

Just my opinion.

/99% of these shooters are just total evil douchebags...
//this, to me, is the tragic exception.


We European pinko commies tend to have the first thought "what if Whitman didn't have a gun in the first place?" ... in most European countries, he would have been asked by his doctor to cede his gun permit long before.

In terms of popular culture takes on it, King of the Hill owns that turf.

None of this detracts from the heroism of officer McCoy.
 
2012-12-28 09:07:48 AM  

kanesays: My first thought was 'The Computer That Wore Tennis Shoes has a rifle? And he's shooting people'?


Well, ballistics is quite math heavy...
 
2012-12-28 09:11:47 AM  
From the Charles Whitman Wikipedia page: "In February 1958, Whitman was hospitalized for surgery to remove a blood clot which had formed around his left testicle."

I think this sheds alot of light on the man and his motives.
 
2012-12-28 09:29:21 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-28 09:34:58 AM  
Rest in peace, sir, and thank you for the lives you saved.
 
2012-12-28 09:39:22 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?

The shooting happened in Austin, not Houston, numbnuts


You're gonna need a bigger boat.
 
2012-12-28 09:54:09 AM  

Captain James T. Smirk: Wow. I mean, all badassery aside, was there ever any doubt as to what this man would do with his life? Is there a more Texan name than Houston McCoy? The fact that he didn't become a Texas Ranger is, frankly, shocking. The fact that his death was due to smoking is definitely not. Anyone named Houston McCoy almost certainly smoked two packs of unflitereds a day, lit with dynamite and snubbed out on his bare palm in the midst of a game of horseshoes.

RIP Sir. Your name, your accomplishments, and your memory will live on with your family and the families of those you saved that day.

/Houston McCoy
//Had to say it one more time


The name of Steven Seagal's character in Executive Decision was Austin Travis. But that was a work of fiction.
 
2012-12-28 09:55:59 AM  
They used to sell this at the Sound Exchange on the Drag:
starsandgarters.blogs.com

... you know, the reord store that later had this "mural" on the side:
www.hihowareyou.com

for the yung 'uns, a record store was a building where your grandparents had to go IN PERSON to buy music
 
2012-12-28 10:00:27 AM  

xmenfilms.files.wordpress.com
RIP Mr. McCoy.

 
2012-12-28 10:04:04 AM  

The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.


It was due to board games. Probably that Monopoly one.
 
2012-12-28 10:06:32 AM  

priapic_abandon: SpeedyBB: HARTMAN: Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? None of you dumbasses knows? Private Cowboy?
COWBOY: Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir!

HARTMAN: That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twelve people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Private Snowball?

SNOWBALL: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!

HARTMAN: That's right, and do you know how far away he was?

SNOWBALL: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!

HARTMAN: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker?

JOKER: Sir, in the Marines, sir!

HARTMAN: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!

[Full Metal Jacket]

Awesome!


Thank you. I was getting worried there would be no Full Metal Jacket references.

Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-12-28 10:12:56 AM  

fusillade762: The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.

Also, released the same year of the shooting:

[www.gooddealgames.com image 600x400]


Oh. my. god.... my roots!

/get off my lawn
 
2012-12-28 10:13:24 AM  
The '70s movie was called "Deadly Tower" and it did star Kurt Russell as Whitman. Really good movie!!!
 
2012-12-28 10:17:05 AM  

wejash: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Although a booby-trapped exploding receiver on Whitman's rifle would have been a hilarious alternative option...


i31.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-28 10:25:52 AM  

dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


This is why we need to arm all cops.
 
2012-12-28 10:41:42 AM  
Marines!
 
2012-12-28 11:07:04 AM  
TheWhoppah

When I first moved to Austin, it was called Record Exchange. They changed it for CD's. Bought some great vinyl there way back when.....most of which was stored at my parents house that burned down during the Bastrop fire last year... ;(
 
2012-12-28 11:11:17 AM  

Rhino_man: TommyDeuce: Rhino_man: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.

The Columbine and Newtown shooters were stopped by bad guys with guns . . .

Did I say No bad guy with a gun is ever stopped by a good guy with a gun? No.

I said that *A* bad guy with a gun was stopped by a good guy without a gun. I proved an exception to this rule that's been thrown about like candy recently, thereby disproving the rule.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is a false statement. Period.

Tumunga: So, since there wasn't anymore bullets in his pistol, he actually didn't have a gun anymore. I guess you're wrong, sir.

Are you high?


I don't think anyone is really worried about a guy with an unloaded gun. He is about as dangerous as a guy holding a rock, probably less dangerous.

But if you insist, then I think you are correct. Many things can stop a guy with an unloaded gun.
Pedestrians, dogs, a really scratchy cat, a potato gun, black ice, heartburn...
 
2012-12-28 11:11:22 AM  

dittybopper: Oh, sure, everyone thought McCoy was a real hero for getting Whitman, but they conveniently forget that he let Price and Haddad get away.


Their debt to society paid in full.
 
2012-12-28 11:22:35 AM  

ParaHandy: We European pinko commies tend to have the first thought "what if Whitman didn't have a gun in the first place?" ... in most European countries, he would have been asked by his doctor to cede his gun permit long before.

In terms of popular culture takes on it, King of the Hill owns that turf.

None of this detracts from the heroism of officer McCoy.


If only he didnt have access to a knife......
 
2012-12-28 11:30:37 AM  

poonesfarm: Do you think when he was called to the scene the dispatcher said "Houston, we have a problem"?


I always wondered where Tom Hanks got that line from.
 
2012-12-28 11:34:06 AM  

The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.


Yeah, but they had pinball machines back then.
 
2012-12-28 11:40:53 AM  

violentsalvation: richard_1963: Charles Whitman. The prototypical gun nut. As the story goes, his autopsy showed that he had a brain tumor, which possibly, but not conclusively, may have provoked his killing spree.

His problems had nothing to do with gun nuttery. He was being treated for mental illness (though treatment for that at the time was in its infancy) and in his letter he asked that after covering his bills, the remaining portion of his life insurance be donated " anonymously to a mental health foundation. Maybe research can prevent further tragedies of this type."

We probably should've recognized that letter as a warning and learned something from it.


I thought they discovered a brain tumor which helped explain his personality changes. He knew something was wrong..too bad he didn't seek help before he went nuts.
 
2012-12-28 11:43:28 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: ParaHandy: We European pinko commies tend to have the first thought "what if Whitman didn't have a gun in the first place?" ... in most European countries, he would have been asked by his doctor to cede his gun permit long before.

In terms of popular culture takes on it, King of the Hill owns that turf.

None of this detracts from the heroism of officer McCoy.

If only he didnt have access to a knife......


Mercifully, none of those children died, and their classmates were eventually able to corner the guy with broomsticks. A knife that is 10 ft away isn't immediately harmful, but it's a lot harder to hold off someone who has a semi-automatic machine gun.

Crazies will always be crazies, but if we reduce the lethality of the things they have to hand or can obtain from their WT mom's arsenal, then we will save some lives.
 
2012-12-28 11:51:47 AM  

Mister Peejay: James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.

No, it's like saying that you don't know if they're a "bad guy" until they've done something.

That whole innocent until proven guilty thing.


Oh, I see. You believe that every man is a perfectly blank slate bootstrappy island. You don't believe that there are unseen social fabrics that can help determine whether or not these people commit the crimes they do -- or even prevent or treat. Aren't you just a shining example of a Real American(tm): you don't believe that prevention is better than cure. Instead, you'd rather ignore the problem as it festers until one day it kills 26 people, and then you can say, "A-ha, he must have been a bad person all along. Oh, well, nothing we can do about him, now."

/And I bet you consider yourself a conservative, too.
 
2012-12-28 12:30:16 PM  

James F. Campbell: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to prevent the bad guy from getting a gun to begin with? Or do bad guys have rights, too?


You're gonna love the Department of Pre-Crime
 
2012-12-28 01:04:43 PM  

James F. Campbell: Mister Peejay: James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.

No, it's like saying that you don't know if they're a "bad guy" until they've done something.

That whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

Oh, I see. You believe that every man is a perfectly blank slate bootstrappy island. You don't believe that there are unseen social fabrics that can help determine whether or not these people commit the crimes they do -- or even prevent or treat. Aren't you just a shining example of a Real American(tm): you don't believe that prevention is better than cure. Instead, you'd rather ignore the problem as it festers until one day it kills 26 people, and then you can say, "A-ha, he must have been a bad person all along. Oh, well, nothing we can do about him, now."

/And I bet you consider yourself a conservative, too.


I'm not sure where you get that at all, I'm sorry. Nothing I said implies that people should not seek treatment for mental issues. But on the other hand, where does it stop? I'm sorry, you showed signs of depression when you were 15, you're not allowed to own a firearm or use food utensils sharper than a rubber spoon.

To put things in perspective, consider the number of Internet Tough Guys who have put what could be construed as clear desire and intent to commit bodily harm to themselves and others, and figure the percentage of them who are about as likely to actually hurt someone as they are to leave fheir mom's basement. Then figure how horribly Orwellian it would be trying to tell the difference.

Currently the government takes every threat on the President's life seriously, if they were to have to investigate every sour word uttered then we'd have to basically hire the entirety of China.

Sorry for being a realist in a wharrgarbl thread.
 
2012-12-28 01:04:58 PM  

elffster: fusillade762: The Real Weedlord Bonerhitler: 46 years ago? Impossible. There where no video games at the time.

Also, released the same year of the shooting:

[www.gooddealgames.com image 600x400]

BZZZZT! Wrong!!

TheMagnavox Odyssey is the world's first commercial home. It was first demonstrated in April 1972 and released in August of that year, predating the home consoles by three years.


Thanks for that. I remember when my dad brought that bad boy home, and it was certainly later than the terror from the tower.

That being said, I think most of us older folks remember playing lone sniper vs. unarmed civilians when we were kids using toy guns or sticks that were pointable enough. It certainly explains why so many people were already desensitized to it.

/Can we change the conversation from 'gun control' to 'stockpile prevention' or 'anti-armory legislation'? Could we limit the number of weapons? Can we tax possession on an annual basis to cover the administrative costs of cross checking registrations against criminal records or mental health data from accredited sources? Could we fund a compensation fund for victims and families of victims of gun crimes?
//Once we have reasonable limitations, we crowdsource a buy back program.
 
2012-12-28 01:07:06 PM  
EVENTUALLY stopped.
 
2012-12-28 01:13:01 PM  

Mister Peejay: James F. Campbell: Mister Peejay: James F. Campbell: FightDirector: Yes. Yes they do. Until they actually do something that makes them "bad guys" they get the same rights as everyone else.

This is like saying we shouldn't try to disarm bombs until they've already gone off.

No, it's like saying that you don't know if they're a "bad guy" until they've done something.

That whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

Oh, I see. You believe that every man is a perfectly blank slate bootstrappy island. You don't believe that there are unseen social fabrics that can help determine whether or not these people commit the crimes they do -- or even prevent or treat. Aren't you just a shining example of a Real American(tm): you don't believe that prevention is better than cure. Instead, you'd rather ignore the problem as it festers until one day it kills 26 people, and then you can say, "A-ha, he must have been a bad person all along. Oh, well, nothing we can do about him, now."

/And I bet you consider yourself a conservative, too.

I'm not sure where you get that at all, I'm sorry. Nothing I said implies that people should not seek treatment for mental issues. But on the other hand, where does it stop? I'm sorry, you showed signs of depression when you were 15, you're not allowed to own a firearm or use food utensils sharper than a rubber spoon.

To put things in perspective, consider the number of Internet Tough Guys who have put what could be construed as clear desire and intent to commit bodily harm to themselves and others, and figure the percentage of them who are about as likely to actually hurt someone as they are to leave fheir mom's basement. Then figure how horribly Orwellian it would be trying to tell the difference.

Currently the government takes every threat on the President's life seriously, if they were to have to investigate every sour word uttered then we'd have to basically hire the entirety of China.

Sorry for being a realist in a wharrgarbl thread.


I'm down with you, Mr PJ, and I appreciate the way you've stated your opinion. We'd all love to take guns away from only the people who will misuse them, but who watches the watchmen? I also don't believe you really have a right to defend yourself from a corrupt government unless you have the practical ability. I voted for Obama. I'm a fiscal conservative social liberal. But I would not assume the U.S. government could not possibly fark itself up so badly that we might not need to defend ourselves from it at some level. It would be very difficult to present a gun ban argument I could agree with, but I believe there is a wealth of room for moderation and compromise.
 
2012-12-28 02:40:57 PM  

SpeedyBB: HARTMAN: Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? None of you dumbasses knows? Private Cowboy?
COWBOY: Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir!

HARTMAN: That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twelve people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Private Snowball?

SNOWBALL: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!

HARTMAN: That's right, and do you know how far away he was?

SNOWBALL: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!

HARTMAN: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker?

JOKER: Sir, in the Marines, sir!

HARTMAN: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!

[Full Metal Jacket]


Just watched that movie this past weekend. Seeing the big guy being the crazy Marines recruit and then as an autistic (I know that he isn't explicitly called that in the series, but his actions certainly seem to imply such) detective in Law & Order: Criminal Intent really made me aware that the guy learned his role from Full Metal Jacket. He nailed the crazy, tho.
 
2012-12-28 02:54:44 PM  
RIP brave officer. you now walk on heaven's beat for you have done your time in hell.
 
2012-12-28 02:55:38 PM  

vudukungfu: StoPPeRmobile: How many millions will get caught up in this mental health net? How much will it cost? Where is the money coming from?

Nickle a bullet. Once you go nuts and kill a bunch of people, they should take you out and shoot you in the head.
Make it a dime. Do the double tap. And make them dig their own graves.

Cheap. I'll chip in $1 for the first ten wingnuts.


You ever hear about anybody being falsely convicted of a capital crime? It happens a lot more that you'd think.
 
2012-12-28 03:00:40 PM  
RIP brave guy
 
2012-12-28 03:31:03 PM  

bigtotoro: dittybopper: Oh, sure, everyone thought McCoy was a real hero for getting Whitman, but they conveniently forget that he let Price and Haddad get away.

Their debt to society paid in full.


I was wondering when someone was going to notice that....
 
2012-12-28 04:06:55 PM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone here old enough to remember the 1970s movie on this, that aired on NBC?


Are you referring to The Deadly Tower, which starred Kurt Russell as Charles Whitman?

If you are, I remember the movie. I was 23 when it aired.
 
2012-12-28 04:42:23 PM  

dittybopper: bigtotoro: dittybopper: Oh, sure, everyone thought McCoy was a real hero for getting Whitman, but they conveniently forget that he let Price and Haddad get away.

Their debt to society paid in full.

I was wondering when someone was going to notice that....


Not obscure, but it is 25 years old. In other words, couples that saw that movie on a date that conceived a child later that night, that kid is out of college now.

/we're old.
 
2012-12-28 05:51:43 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Rhino_man: TommyDeuce: Rhino_man: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

False. The only thing that stopped that bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Jared Lee Loughner was stopped by an unarmed member of the public when he stopped firing to reload.

The Columbine and Newtown shooters were stopped by bad guys with guns . . .

Did I say No bad guy with a gun is ever stopped by a good guy with a gun? No.

I said that *A* bad guy with a gun was stopped by a good guy without a gun. I proved an exception to this rule that's been thrown about like candy recently, thereby disproving the rule.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is a false statement. Period.

Tumunga: So, since there wasn't anymore bullets in his pistol, he actually didn't have a gun anymore. I guess you're wrong, sir.

Are you high?

I don't think anyone is really worried about a guy with an unloaded gun. He is about as dangerous as a guy holding a rock, probably less dangerous.

But if you insist, then I think you are correct. Many things can stop a guy with an unloaded gun.
Pedestrians, dogs, a really scratchy cat, a potato gun, black ice, heartburn...


... so what you're saying is that you don't have a gun during the few seconds it takes to reload your gun. Sounds legit.
 
2012-12-29 05:40:37 AM  

ElFugawz: dethmagnetic: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

This is why we need to arm all cops.


Cops are good guys?

/Snark aside, the're an at risk group that is only outdone by combat vets.
/I mean, seriously. They are more likely to become murderous and abusive, and more likely to kill a mentally ill person than a real crook.
/The old British system of having unarmed cops seek armed citizens assistance is starting to make better sense.
/Back in the days before "Police officer" became synonymous with "Mechanized infantry".
 
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