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2012-12-27 09:07:48 PM  
It says something about how few combat deaths we have had.
 
2012-12-27 09:14:07 PM  
Yeah, sadly this is actually the preferred norm.
 
2012-12-27 09:32:18 PM  

One Bad Apple: Yeah, sadly this is actually the preferred norm.


True, but suicide numbers are way up.
 
2012-12-27 11:36:30 PM  
So you mean to tell me that when we have numerous advances in combat medicine we have more casualties than fatalities?  And that when you use the military as a police force for another country that it tends to demoralize the people that signed up to defend the US constitution?  I'll be damned....

/hope we can get our men and women home soon
 
2012-12-27 11:37:31 PM  
Antidepressants?

War on drugs.

You can't fight one.
 
2012-12-27 11:39:14 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_:


True, but suicide numbers are way up.


Then we must do all we can to ramp up deaths from DUIs until they are the #1 cause
 
2012-12-27 11:41:54 PM  

queezyweezel: So you mean to tell me that when we have numerous advances in combat medicine we have more casualties than fatalities?  And that when you use the military as a police force for another country that it tends to demoralize the people that signed up to defend the US constitution?  I'll be damned....

/hope we can get our men and women home soon



Apparently those in charge are achieving their goals, otherwise, they'd quit.

Logically.

No?
 
2012-12-27 11:46:21 PM  
Warmongers won't care until it cuts into profits.
 
2012-12-27 11:50:02 PM  

One Bad Apple: Yeah, sadly this is actually the preferred norm.


I'd prefer they were tied at 0.
 
2012-12-27 11:55:40 PM  

RedPhoenix122: One Bad Apple: Yeah, sadly this is actually the preferred norm.

I'd prefer they were tied at 0.

 
2012-12-28 12:05:33 AM  

RedPhoenix122: One Bad Apple: Yeah, sadly this is actually the preferred norm.

I'd prefer they were tied at 0.



Now who can argue with that?
 
2012-12-28 12:06:19 AM  

Amos Quito: RedPhoenix122: One Bad Apple: Yeah, sadly this is actually the preferred norm.

I'd prefer they were tied at 0.


Now who can argue with that?


Halliburton?
 
2012-12-28 12:23:27 AM  
Who would have thought joining up while the US was engaged in a pointless war was a good idea?
 
2012-12-28 12:35:56 AM  
:(

and that's all I have to say about that.
 
2012-12-28 12:53:38 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Amos Quito: RedPhoenix122: One Bad Apple: Yeah, sadly this is actually the preferred norm.

I'd prefer they were tied at 0.


Now who can argue with that?

Halliburton?



Touché
 
2012-12-28 01:14:29 AM  
It's so terribly sad. It f*cking sucks.
 
2012-12-28 01:21:03 AM  

violentsalvation: It's so terribly sad. It f*cking sucks.


Damned malingerers always scamming out of duty.


Won't someone think of the busy work ?
 
2012-12-28 02:40:29 AM  

vygramul: It says something about how few combat deaths we have had.


Indeed it does.  Yet I'm still waiting for the public to catch on to the fact that suicides are up due (in large part) to the increased rotation of personnel through war zones.  Yes, battlefield medicine is an enormous contributor to this metric, as it is also a great service to medicine in general.  But such statements tend, on the surface, to discount the other harsh realities of our current system.

But the public won't catch on....until we bring back the draft and make wars a matter of nation-wide responsibility.
 
2012-12-28 03:01:37 AM  
Is the percentage of suicides up for all military? For combat troops? For civillians?
 
2012-12-28 04:00:43 AM  
On 9-11, I made just one prediction. That Rush Limbaugh would find a way to blame 9-11 on Bill Clinton. On cue I heard Rush Limbaugh spouting "9-11 is Bill Clinton's fault. Bill Clinton emasculated the military!!!". Well it was getting into Iraq so that Baby Bush could whatever his father that has emasculated our military. And Afghanistan isn't helping.
 
2012-12-28 05:20:19 AM  

doyner: Yet I'm still waiting for the public to catch on to the fact that suicides are up due (in large part) to the increased rotation of personnel through war zones.


I would say it's not just being rotated through a war-zone, but being pulled away from their regular lives for a year at a time, multiple times over the span of a few years. It really makes actually living your life very difficult or even impossible for some. Being pulled away from you wife, girlfriend, work, school, friends, etc and being stuck in Afghanistan while everyone at home keeps living is very jarring. Missing the births of kids, older children being distant to you for being gone so much. Wife and girlfriends cheating and finding other people. Finding it much harder to pursue a real career type job or complete a degree in a reasonable amount of time. Deploying multiple times just farks your whole life up for pretty much the whole span you're in the military. You really just gotta be willing to put your life on hold and try to pick it back up again when you're all done. Some people can handle it. Some cant'.

I would be willing to be real money that most (75%+) of those suicides involved some form of spousal (wife/husband, girlfriend/boyfriend) difficulties at home.

It's not just the combat that gets to you. It's knowing that you have nothing to come home to that really tears the rug out from under your life.
 
2012-12-28 05:22:16 AM  
Suicides have been pretty bad for some years now, both with the active troops and even the veterans after they get out. For some reason this issue get little attention, yet things like sexual assaults make headline news.
 
2012-12-28 05:31:00 AM  
I'm wondering how many of these are actually relationship related. Heard stories about woman marries young military guy for benefits, guy gets sent oversees, woman cheats or relationship falls apart because of time and distance away, guy tries to off himself or comes back batshiat crazy with guns.
 
2012-12-28 05:33:09 AM  
Soldiering is a gang of people killing armed and unarmed people. Indisputable. Unacceptable. How much self respect can you have when you are part of a murderous gang? Warriors and police do not act by virtue of bravery but act with the knowledge of being aided by the strength of their group. There is no bravery in a gang. I have no respect for them . Cowardice is the word I use to describe this behavior. Notice this fact : People never fight one on one without an audience. (unless they are drunk)
 
2012-12-28 05:33:22 AM  

Dull Cow Eyes: or comes back batshiat crazy with guns.


Can't say I've ever heard of that, ever. And I'm leaving for my third deployment soon.
 
2012-12-28 05:34:41 AM  

albertalaska: Soldiering is a gang of people killing armed and unarmed people. Indisputable. Unacceptable. How much self respect can you have when you are part of a murderous gang? Warriors and police do not act by virtue of bravery but act with the knowledge of being aided by the strength of their group. There is no bravery in a gang. I have no respect for them . Cowardice is the word I use to describe this behavior. Notice this fact : People never fight one on one without an audience. (unless they are drunk)


Too obvious. 2/10
 
2012-12-28 05:39:39 AM  
Mission accomplished?
 
2012-12-28 05:41:15 AM  
One almost has to wonder if these suicides might be getting a little help.
 
2012-12-28 05:50:50 AM  
Wars cause the rates for violence, crime, and abuse to increase. It wouldn't be surprising to see suicide and a number of other bad things on that list.
...But the military has to go to war, that is its primary purpose. Most wars are political, chosen by Congress.

Seems to me the politicians are on the hook for this one.
Soldiers need more support after the state is done chewing them up and spitting them out. Congress controls the purse strings.
 
2012-12-28 06:04:24 AM  

way south: Wars cause the rates for violence, crime, and abuse to increase. It wouldn't be surprising to see suicide and a number of other bad things on that list.
...But the military has to go to war, that is its primary purpose. Most wars are political, chosen by Congress.

Seems to me the politicians are on the hook for this one.
Soldiers need more support after the state is done chewing them up and spitting them out. Congress controls the purse strings.


The "boys in suits" (all sides, left and right, friend and enemy) are too busy with their own comfortable and incredibly luxurious lifestyles to even imagine how much pain their greed. stubbornness and penile insecurities inflict upon the people they are supposedly "serving" (serving? what a farkin' JOKE) yet we blindly honor these people and treat them like they are farkin' deities.

Heads of stone.
 
2012-12-28 06:12:15 AM  

taurusowner: albertalaska: Soldiering is a gang of people killing armed and unarmed people. Indisputable. Unacceptable. How much self respect can you have when you are part of a murderous gang? Warriors and police do not act by virtue of bravery but act with the knowledge of being aided by the strength of their group. There is no bravery in a gang. I have no respect for them . Cowardice is the word I use to describe this behavior. Notice this fact : People never fight one on one without an audience. (unless they are drunk)

Too obvious. 2/10


Too clueless. -3/10

Soldiers are hired killers. This is fact. Some of us accept this. Some don't.

It doesn't mean they aren't sometimes necessary, but pretending they are more than murderers does everybody an injustice, and is probably related to the increase in suicides. When you tell people they are heroes and then order them to act like villains, you get a disconnect.
 
2012-12-28 06:13:20 AM  
Death rates from suicide for the military-age population who AREN'T in uniform are actually higher than for service members. So there's that.
 
2012-12-28 06:16:48 AM  

bakarocket: taurusowner: albertalaska: Soldiering is a gang of people killing armed and unarmed people. Indisputable. Unacceptable. How much self respect can you have when you are part of a murderous gang? Warriors and police do not act by virtue of bravery but act with the knowledge of being aided by the strength of their group. There is no bravery in a gang. I have no respect for them . Cowardice is the word I use to describe this behavior. Notice this fact : People never fight one on one without an audience. (unless they are drunk)

Too obvious. 2/10

Too clueless. -3/10

Soldiers are hired killers. This is fact. Some of us accept this. Some don't.

It doesn't mean they aren't sometimes necessary, but pretending they are more than murderers does everybody an injustice, and is probably related to the increase in suicides. When you tell people they are heroes and then order them to act like villains, you get a disconnect.


Oh, look, it's a baby troll. How adorable! Don't scare it, and somebody get a towel to wipe the drool off its bib.
 
2012-12-28 06:20:51 AM  
I HATE IT WHN EPEOLPLE MIGIGN THE farkING TRRRPOTS
 
2012-12-28 06:20:54 AM  
GUN CONTROL WOULD SOLVE THIS!

We need to be told what to do by the same government that brought us to the point of bankruptcy today.
 
2012-12-28 06:29:30 AM  
If you think offing yourself will help society at large, or yourself, or whatever, be my guest. I don't care if you're service or not, you're obviously
a chicken shiat who can't handle life. Bye bye, don't care.
 
2012-12-28 06:30:44 AM  
Big supporter of suicide
not changing my tune because they're soldiers

I am glad that fewer americans are dying overseas for politics
but hey, you voted in the guys who keep sending them
the blame is also on you
 
2012-12-28 06:30:58 AM  
way south: Wars cause the rates for violence, crime, and abuse to increase. It wouldn't be surprising to see suicide and a number of other bad things on that list.
...But the military has to go to war, that is its primary purpose. Most wars are political, chosen by Congress.

Seems to me the politicians are on the hook for this one.
Soldiers need more support after the state is done chewing them up and spitting them out. Congress controls the purse strings.

I'm sorry, but no.

Enough is enough.

There is a myth in the USA that somehow US soldiers are not looked after. In a small number of cases, this is true--I wholehartedly support the notion that soldiers should get complete medical and psychological assistance needed to 'make them whole' to the extent possible after time spent in harm's way.

However, the general idea that in the USA soldiers are somehow 'forgotten' or underfunded is absolute and total nonsense. What we have forgotten is that soldiers are a diverse bunch, and like every diverse bunch there are bound to be all manner of situations and people. Enlisted personnel in particular often come from difficult circumstances and, frankly, low educational achievement coming in, and then we somehow expect that they're entitled to $80,000 middle management jobs when they come out. Bollocks.

it has been estimated that the total compensation of even the lowliest US soldier is now in excess of $100,00 per year equivalent when you consider

- modest pay
- housing benefits
- health benefits
- job training benefits
- mortgage preferences and benefits
- retirement / pension benefits
- job preference benefits, occasionally written into law
- subsidized "other stuff" benefits from the government (insurance, etc)
- subsidized benefits from non-government sources
- tax benefits

the idea that we need to "spend more money" on soldiers is laughable. our soliders in WW2 accomplished far more for far, far less. They also didn't expect a few enlisted years to mean that they are entitled to live on those laurels for the rest of their lives. want proof? have a look at the LIFETIME medical benefits now offered to some 18 year old who goes to afghanistan, serves for two years total, and never leaves the base (and, as one who has been to afghanistan, let me be the first to say that for a certain percentage of people, that is not that uncommon). Such a person may well end up consuming several million dollars of benefit over their lifetime, but if you dare point out this obvius staggering inefficiency, you Hate America and are Worse Than Hitler.

(be sure to ask me also about the sham that is the 9/11 compensation fund, especially "9/11 syndrome")

it's easy to blame congress and "anonymous suits." it's easy to demand "more money" as if the fact that we spend in inflation-adjusted terms far more now on individual soldiers than any other arms ever has in the history of the world. it's harder to look at what's really going on and make hard choices.

Before you flame me, have a viewing of the recent "Music of War" movie about soldiers in iraq. Look at them and you'll come to realize that these are very ordinary people who both as a matter of pragmatism (they needed a job) and patriotism (in some cases) answered the country's call. They serve honorably, but it's a bit much to expect them to come out of there in some idealized way that a lot of you expect them to.

Yes, suicides are a problem Access to physical and mental health resources is a must. But, those are already quite widespread--more than the knee jerk commenters here might suspect. But the answer is not just "let's just have another BS litmus test of Real Americannness (tm) based on whether you support throwing an unlimited number of resources towards a ridiculously overglorified and unrealistic caricature of the American soldier."
 
2012-12-28 06:31:04 AM  

drayno76: If you think offing yourself will help society at large, or yourself, or whatever, be my guest. I don't care if you're service or not, you're obviously
a chicken shiat who can't handle life. Bye bye, don't care.


dont lenfe wa mess.
 
2012-12-28 06:34:13 AM  
"Anyone DUMB ENOUGH.... to join the military...."
-Bill Hicks

Maybe a lot of effed-in-the-head people join the military? Maybe they'd be topping themselves no matter what job they chose?


99% of Bill Hicks' [so called] stand up comedy involved YELLING AT IMAGINARY people.

YELLING how his Libtard dove politics were so completely awesome, while his Libtard audience laughed along and mocked the imaginary Republicans that Bill was yelling at.

Fans of Left wing [so called] comedy are an xXtra special kind of self righteous twat.


I hope I've offended everyone.
 
2012-12-28 06:39:57 AM  

carnifex2005: Mission accomplished?


Well, yes. Baby Bush's feelings were hurt by people saying he wasn't a real man because Poppy(get well SOON) got him into the national guard instead of fighting in Vietnam so he made sure to prove that the National Guard makes BIG SACRIFICES.
 
2012-12-28 06:42:43 AM  

mbillips: Oh, look, it's a baby troll. How adorable! Don't scare it, and somebody get a towel to wipe the drool off its bib.


Fortunately for most of the posters on the internet, trolling is not defined as "disagreeing with other people".

When people are taught to believe in the sanctity of life and in a religion that despises the concept of murder, they will have issues when they are told to kill other people.
 
2012-12-28 06:44:10 AM  

bakarocket: mbillips: Oh, look, it's a baby troll. How adorable! Don't scare it, and somebody get a towel to wipe the drool off its bib.

Fortunately for most of the posters on the internet, trolling is not defined as "disagreeing with other people".

When people are taught to believe in the sanctity of life and in a religion that despises the concept of murder, they will have issues when they are told to kill other people.


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2012-12-28 06:44:29 AM  

Amos Quito: RedPhoenix122: One Bad Apple: Yeah, sadly this is actually the preferred norm.

I'd prefer they were tied at 0.


Now who can argue with that?


When I was in the military I knew a few real douchebags.

I'm indifferent to the method of their demise, but fark those guys.
 
2012-12-28 06:44:41 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I HATE IT WHN EPEOLPLE MIGIGN THE farkING TRRRPOTS


You're making more sense than usual today.
 
2012-12-28 06:47:06 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: the idea that we need to "spend more money" on soldiers is laughable


Tell that to a veteran who has no place to live.
 
2012-12-28 06:47:58 AM  
As I understand it, it's due to the military having to accept people with mental issues in order to meet their recruitment quotas. Same reason we have so many homeless vets on the street- recruitment of people who were likely to become homeless without the military,
 
2012-12-28 06:48:02 AM  

Kevin72: AverageAmericanGuy: I HATE IT WHN EPEOLPLE MIGIGN THE farkING TRRRPOTS

You're making more sense than usual today.


That's JUST what a migigner would say.

Please think of the trrrpots.
 
2012-12-28 06:49:36 AM  

ghare: Same reason we have so many homeless vets on the street-


Actually a lot of them have no issues before service, after is another issue.
 
2012-12-28 06:51:03 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Bomb Head Mohammed: the idea that we need to "spend more money" on soldiers is laughable

Tell that to a veteran who has no place to live.


Seriously, there are a boatload of programs in place for those people. But, if they're homeless, they likely have severe mental problems, which of course does make it hard for them to comprehend that the help is there, and/or hard to apply even if they understand that they can.

But it's not for lack of funding, as far as I can tell.
 
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