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2012-12-27 05:12:50 PM
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The preference of paying ransom instead of killing the pirates needs to stop.  I guess I'm being callous when I say we should always go in guns a-blazing because in the long run it will save more lives once the pirates learn that there is no profit in their trade.  I'm also in favor of high seas justice involving hanging from the yardarm.
2012-12-27 05:21:12 PM
2 votes:

OgreMagi: The preference of paying ransom instead of killing the pirates needs to stop.  I guess I'm being callous when I say we should always go in guns a-blazing because in the long run it will save more lives once the pirates learn that there is no profit in their trade.  I'm also in favor of high seas justice involving hanging from the yardarm.


I will also bear the burden of being the person who says not to negotiate with pirates. I'm sorry your stuck in a hellhole, but we aren't going to let those pirates get what they want.

Something should've been done to facilitate a rescue operation though.
2012-12-27 11:32:12 PM
1 votes:

jumac: while keeping a armed group of people on the ships at all times would prevent your ship form entering most countries waters. I am surprised someone hasn't setup something up where on both sides of the area(outside of the danger zone) are ships with teams of armed/trained personal. when your ship gets near you pick up a team with all their weapsons. they stay with your ship until you pass though the area and drop them off on the other side.


They have.
2012-12-27 10:23:02 PM
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ClavellBCMI: And a lot of those attacks are in or near waters controlled by our old anti-terrorist friends Yemen, back before the brave ex-President of Yemen decided his health was more important than taking bribes and oppressing his own citizens (after someone fired an RPG through the doors of the mosque he was in, damn near killing him and actually killing his Prime Minister and a few of his other top aides).


Going through that patch of water doesn't leave a lot of choice. It's only about 300 miles wide.
You can either cruise near Somalia, or cruise near Yemen.
2012-12-27 09:18:08 PM
1 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: threadjackistan: Trouble is, a lot of these ships have traveled through or are inside Somali territorial waters.

And a lot of them aren't. I don't think Somali waters extend 500 miles out.
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And a lot of those attacks are in or near waters controlled by our old anti-terrorist friends Yemen, back before the brave ex-President of Yemen decided his health was more important than taking bribes and oppressing his own citizens (after someone fired an RPG through the doors of the mosque he was in, damn near killing him and actually killing his Prime Minister and a few of his other top aides).
2012-12-27 09:12:27 PM
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heavymetal: If you want to stop the problem arm the ships. Have traned mercenaries & sharpshooters onboard. I know the argument, that will just cause the Somalian pirates to escalate their attacks and make them more severe. Just do the same with the ships. I am sure the shipping companies have more access to better weapons and countermeasures than the pirates.


You wont have free passage through a lot of territorial waters with armed men aboard.
2012-12-27 09:11:31 PM
1 votes:

threadjackistan: Trouble is, a lot of these ships have traveled through or are inside Somali territorial waters. For years, international companies have been destructively harvesting Somail fisheries and illegally dumping toxic waste on the Somali coast. We created this problem by behaving lawlessly in that area and now we complain when the area becomes lawless.

It makes us feel good to describe the pirate as vicious murders and thieves, born rotten, but many of them simply have no other options due to our (The Developed World's)actions either wholly or in part.


ADM shuts down the local mill and therefore I didn't have a job so I had to rob that store to get money and the cashier tried to stop me and was shot. It's ADM's fault that the cashier was killed right?
2012-12-27 08:54:13 PM
1 votes:
If you want to stop the problem arm the ships. Have traned mercenaries & sharpshooters onboard. I know the argument, that will just cause the Somalian pirates to escalate their attacks and make them more severe. Just do the same with the ships. I am sure the shipping companies have more access to better weapons and countermeasures than the pirates.
2012-12-27 08:29:55 PM
1 votes:

threadjackistan: Yes, yes, they're were pirates in the area in ancient times. Obviously Somalis are nothing but brute pirates, since times immemorial.

Pollution, over fishing? Why that's all done by those dirty Russians and devious Red China-men. We would never casually engage in these sorts of activities. Afterall, they are forbidden in our territorial waters, why would we go elsewhere to do it?

Pull your head out of your ass.

I'm not saying that all the Somalians are blessed little angels, but seriously? You want to blame everything on dirty furiners?

I dont know what else I was expecting...


You are the one laying blame.

If you are truly interested:
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htseamo/20120410.aspx
That will get you started on educationg yourself about the Somali pirate situation.
2012-12-27 07:41:40 PM
1 votes:
www.montney.com

www.bloodbrothersnovel.com
2012-12-27 07:33:34 PM
1 votes:

Poundit Hardus: Step 1: Get myself a yacht
Step 2: Gather NRA Types
Step 3: Pirate Shooting Charters
Step 4: $$$


Article One Section 8 of the United States Constitution

The Congress shall have power To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

letters of marque

1.license to seize foreign property: a formal document issued by one country authorizing one of its private citizens to take possession of goods, or sometimes citizens, belonging to another country
2.license to arm ship: an official document issued by one country authorizing one of its citizens to fit a ship with weapons in order to attack or seize another country's ships and cargo
2012-12-27 07:20:48 PM
1 votes:
Yes, yes, they're were pirates in the area in ancient times. Obviously Somalis are nothing but brute pirates, since times immemorial.

Pollution, over fishing? Why that's all done by those dirty Russians and devious Red China-men. We would never casually engage in these sorts of activities. Afterall, they are forbidden in our territorial waters, why would we go elsewhere to do it?

Pull your head out of your ass.

I'm not saying that all the Somalians are blessed little angels, but seriously? You want to blame everything on dirty furiners?

I dont know what else I was expecting...
2012-12-27 07:19:18 PM
1 votes:

threadjackistan: Trouble is, a lot of these ships have traveled through or are inside Somali territorial waters.


And a lot of them aren't. I don't think Somali waters extend 500 miles out.
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2012-12-27 06:41:53 PM
1 votes:
Part of the problem is the ship in Panamanian flagged. If you're on a US flagged ship, the USN will pay attention. If you're on a Panamanian flagged vessel, don't hold your breath waiting for the Panamanian Navy to swoop in.
2012-12-27 06:38:44 PM
1 votes:

Fano: Let Julius Caesar do the talking


Indeed, The only real way to deal with piracy is to find their home bases and destroy them on land. No one really has a strong enough interest in bothering.

This might actualy be job for mercenaries hired by shipping companies.
2012-12-27 06:32:18 PM
1 votes:
Let Julius Caesar do the talking
2012-12-27 05:30:13 PM
1 votes:

cgraves67: OgreMagi: The preference of paying ransom instead of killing the pirates needs to stop.  I guess I'm being callous when I say we should always go in guns a-blazing because in the long run it will save more lives once the pirates learn that there is no profit in their trade.  I'm also in favor of high seas justice involving hanging from the yardarm.

I will also bear the burden of being the person who says not to negotiate with pirates. I'm sorry your stuck in a hellhole, but we aren't going to let those pirates get what they want.

Something should've been done to facilitate a rescue operation though.


Trouble is, a lot of these ships have traveled through or are inside Somali territorial waters. For years, international companies have been destructively harvesting Somail fisheries and illegally dumping toxic waste on the Somali coast. We created this problem by behaving lawlessly in that area and now we complain when the area becomes lawless.

It makes us feel good to describe the pirate as vicious murders and thieves, born rotten, but many of them simply have no other options due to our (The Developed World's)actions either wholly or in part.
2012-12-27 05:29:58 PM
1 votes:

cgraves67: OgreMagi: The preference of paying ransom instead of killing the pirates needs to stop.  I guess I'm being callous when I say we should always go in guns a-blazing because in the long run it will save more lives once the pirates learn that there is no profit in their trade.  I'm also in favor of high seas justice involving hanging from the yardarm.

I will also bear the burden of being the person who says not to negotiate with pirates. I'm sorry your stuck in a hellhole, but we aren't going to let those pirates get what they want.

Something should've been done to facilitate a rescue operation though.


I'm thinking that after a year, the pirates would have let their guard down so much a seal team could have taken them out without breaking a sweat.  Hell, a bunch of seals in training could have done it as a training operation.  Somalian pirates aren't exactly high grade soldiers.
 
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