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2012-12-27 01:39:50 PM
Yes!
 
2012-12-27 03:28:36 PM
Ah yes, the Ryan Braun defense.
 
2012-12-27 04:24:54 PM
Makes the rest of the NFC a bit nervous....
 
2012-12-27 04:46:04 PM
He didnt prove he was clean, he proved the NFL's testing procedure sucks which most seahawk fans arent understanding.....
 
2012-12-27 04:50:13 PM

It Smee: Ah yes, the Ryan Braun defense.


Yep. I'm happy to have him back as a fan, but wouldn't call this complete vindication or anything. I would hope that his last few weeks have been Adderall-free (given the cloud of suspicion) and he has learned that he can play at the same high level this way.

steamingpile: He didnt prove he was clean, he proved the NFL's testing procedure sucks which most seahawk fans arent understanding.....


Please either post your survey or admit you haven't got the slightest clue what most Seahawk fans do or don't understand.
 
2012-12-27 04:52:21 PM
Can someone fill me in on the problem? Was it that he was taking Adderall without a perscription or just simply that he was taking Adderall?
 
2012-12-27 04:52:29 PM

steamingpile: He didnt prove he was clean, he proved the NFL's testing procedure sucks which most seahawk fans arent understanding.....


either way the process needs to be cleaned up, goodell cannot run the nfl as his own little fiefdom exempt from a sop.

/dont like the seatrolls except when they are smashing the saints hopes and dreams
 
2012-12-27 04:55:06 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Can someone fill me in on the problem? Was it that he was taking Adderall without a perscription or just simply that he was taking Adderall?


Without a prescription. The league allows you to use it if it's pre-cleared (and in fact Giants RB Andre Brown successfully avoided a suspension by proving he made an honest mistake by not getting the paperwork in).
 
2012-12-27 04:55:33 PM

basemetal: Makes the rest of the NFC a bit nervous....


If Seattle takes that #1 seed, gotta be a hell of a team to beat them up there.

/Looks at the Packers
//Yeah...they'll have the motivation
 
2012-12-27 04:55:44 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Can someone fill me in on the problem? Was it that he was taking Adderall without a perscription or just simply that he was taking Adderall?


Well, not sure how it is in football, but in baseball, Adderall is a banned substance, prescription or not, unless you have applied for and received a specific exemption from the league beforehand.
 
2012-12-27 04:57:38 PM
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HAHAHA U MAD BRO?


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Yes

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2012-12-27 04:58:02 PM

Rwa2play: basemetal: Makes the rest of the NFC a bit nervous....

If Seattle takes that #1 seed, gotta be a hell of a team to beat them up there.

/Looks at the Packers
//Yeah...they'll have the motivation


Falcons already clinched the #1 seed. #2 is still up for grabs.
 
2012-12-27 04:58:28 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Can someone fill me in on the problem? Was it that he was taking Adderall without a perscription or just simply that he was taking Adderall?


He probably wasn't taking Adderall. Since the NFL can't release what Sherman was on, the players can make up whatever drug they want as far as getting caught. There was a story about Adderall being a convenient excuse for NFLers this season. Much better sounding than steroids.
 
2012-12-27 04:59:54 PM

Super Chronic: KiwDaWabbit: Can someone fill me in on the problem? Was it that he was taking Adderall without a prescription or just simply that he was taking Adderall?

Without a prescription. The league allows you to use it if it's pre-cleared (and in fact Giants RB Andre Brown successfully avoided a suspension by proving he made an honest mistake by not getting the paperwork in).


I see. I feel like there's a big distinction because it's not really that difficult to go and get a prescription for it.
 
2012-12-27 05:00:13 PM
the only way the Uber Buthurt are going to admit he wasn't taking Adderall is if his hair is is tested (which won't happen), So Seahawk fans prepare for EXTREME DERP and a million and one reasons why he should now not be allowed to play because they said so.....
 
2012-12-27 05:00:38 PM

carnifex2005: He probably wasn't taking Adderall. Since the NFL can't release what Sherman was on, the players can make up whatever drug they want as far as getting caught. There was a story about Adderall being a convenient excuse for NFLers this season. Much better sounding than steroids.


I hadn't heard that.  What I did read today was that this whole case turned on the chain of custody of the sample or test or whatever.
 
2012-12-27 05:02:26 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Super Chronic: KiwDaWabbit: Can someone fill me in on the problem? Was it that he was taking Adderall without a prescription or just simply that he was taking Adderall?

Without a prescription. The league allows you to use it if it's pre-cleared (and in fact Giants RB Andre Brown successfully avoided a suspension by proving he made an honest mistake by not getting the paperwork in).

I see. I feel like there's a big distinction because it's not really that difficult to go and get a prescription for it.


Probably true -- I mean, don't high school kids have it down to a science, where they just sit in a shrink's office, look around and pretend not to follow the questions they're being asked?
 
2012-12-27 05:04:50 PM

carnifex2005: He probably wasn't taking Adderall. Since the NFL can't release what Sherman was on, the players can make up whatever drug they want as far as getting caught. There was a story about Adderall being a convenient excuse for NFLers this season. Much better sounding than steroids.


I would like to hear just one professional football commentator make this point. I've read a lot of commentary on the Sherman case from people who really know the NFL, and not one of them has questioned whether it's Adderall.
 
2012-12-27 05:08:42 PM

Super Chronic: carnifex2005: He probably wasn't taking Adderall. Since the NFL can't release what Sherman was on, the players can make up whatever drug they want as far as getting caught. There was a story about Adderall being a convenient excuse for NFLers this season. Much better sounding than steroids.

I would like to hear just one professional football commentator make this point. I've read a lot of commentary on the Sherman case from people who really know the NFL, and not one of them has questioned whether it's Adderall.


Here you go.
 
2012-12-27 05:09:24 PM
I can't believe the NFL.com message boards. Some of the derp that happens and the fact that its linked to your FB. At least the stupid shiat I say on here is detached from me.
 
2012-12-27 05:13:47 PM

carnifex2005: Super Chronic: carnifex2005: He probably wasn't taking Adderall. Since the NFL can't release what Sherman was on, the players can make up whatever drug they want as far as getting caught. There was a story about Adderall being a convenient excuse for NFLers this season. Much better sounding than steroids.

I would like to hear just one professional football commentator make this point. I've read a lot of commentary on the Sherman case from people who really know the NFL, and not one of them has questioned whether it's Adderall.

Here you go.


People said the same thing about Andre Brown and his suspension for Adderall before his suspension was lifted. They even pointed to his weight gain since he was drafted as further proof that it wasn't Adderall that he was suspended for.

And what is lying about what he tested positive for going to do for him? It's not like him saying it was something else was going to keep him from being suspended and having a strike against him under the league's ped policy.
 
2012-12-27 05:14:23 PM
Plus Browner is back for the playoffs.

Scary.
 
2012-12-27 05:14:55 PM

steamingpile: He didnt prove he was clean, he proved the NFL's testing procedure sucks which most seahawk fans arent understanding.....


You're right - it's Seahawk fans that haven't been following every step of this process. We're the one group of people that would have the least knowledge of this case.
 
2012-12-27 05:16:02 PM

puffy999: Plus Browner is back for the playoffs.

Scary.


Averaged a 50-10 whooping each game since Browner has been out.

/Further proof that statistics are BS without any context
 
2012-12-27 05:35:41 PM

It Smee: Ah yes, the Ryan Braun defense.

 
2012-12-27 05:37:06 PM

seumasokelly: Averaged a 50-10 whooping each game since Browner has been out.


That stat was on my mind, too.
 
2012-12-27 05:37:07 PM
 
2012-12-27 05:37:47 PM
Imagine if you took a drug test and the cup was broken and the dude tried just catching it in an extra cup, then your employer tried to fire you for failing the drug test. Then a bunch of assclowns acted like you got off because of a "technicality."

Sherman's lied to me as a fan zero times. The NFL has lied to me as a fan dozens of times THIS YEAR while trying to suspend people unjustly and pretending to care about player health. Yeah, I'm not about to accept "NFL says it was positive," ever.

As for it being a "technicality"...what else was he going to be able to appeal based on, even if he had the truth on his side - he hadn't taken anything? Please find an example of someone who got their drug test overturned based on their insistence that they're innocent.
 
2012-12-27 05:47:07 PM
If the urine drips, you must acquit....
 
2012-12-27 05:59:37 PM
An athlete got away with using something illegal?? I'm totally shocked.
 
2012-12-27 06:00:09 PM

steamingpile: He didnt prove he was clean, he proved the NFL's testing procedure sucks which most seahawk fans arent understanding.....



He didn't do anything different than what most of us would do if we got a speeding ticket.
 
2012-12-27 06:01:01 PM

Super Chronic: Yep. I'm happy to have him back as a fan, but wouldn't call this complete vindication or anything. I would hope that his last few weeks have been Adderall-free (given the cloud of suspicion) and he has learned that he can play at the same high level this way.



Yeah, Adderall....nudge nudge, wink wink.
 
2012-12-27 06:02:50 PM
So, did the tester guy pour some of Browner's pee in his cup? Or was his sample tainted, as well? Or did it just so happen that Browner was caught and somehow Sherman's results got mixed in? Or was it just an honest mistake? Or did Sherman really take PEDs (or illegal substances that may not be PEDs)?

I guess it doesn't really matter.
 
2012-12-27 06:04:27 PM

puffy999: So, did the tester guy pour some of Browner's pee in his cup? Or was his sample tainted, as well? Or did it just so happen that Browner was caught and somehow Sherman's results got mixed in? Or was it just an honest mistake? Or did Sherman really take PEDs (or illegal substances that may not be PEDs)?

I guess it doesn't really matter.


Since the 2nd cup had it's seal broken prior to the sample, chain of custody is broken.
 
2012-12-27 06:10:44 PM

Rwa2play: If Seattle takes that #1 seed, gotta be a hell of a team to beat them up there.



As mentioned before, Atlanta has top seed already.

If the Seahawks ever have to go on the road to win before the Super Bowl, they're cooked. Beating The Bills, Panthers (barely) and the reeling Bears (barely, in OT) as your road wins isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of their ability to win road games.
 
2012-12-27 06:15:58 PM

LessO2: Rwa2play: If Seattle takes that #1 seed, gotta be a hell of a team to beat them up there.


As mentioned before, Atlanta has top seed already.

If the Seahawks ever have to go on the road to win before the Super Bowl, they're cooked. Beating The Bills, Panthers (barely) and the reeling Bears (barely, in OT) as your road wins isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of their ability to win road games.


..and the Bills game barely counted as a road game
 
2012-12-27 06:18:27 PM

seumasokelly: puffy999: So, did the tester guy pour some of Browner's pee in his cup? Or was his sample tainted, as well? Or did it just so happen that Browner was caught and somehow Sherman's results got mixed in? Or was it just an honest mistake? Or did Sherman really take PEDs (or illegal substances that may not be PEDs)?

I guess it doesn't really matter.

Since the 2nd cup had it's seal broken prior to the sample, chain of custody is broken.


NM - here it is for real:

Sherman won his appeal based on a procedural error with the collection, which rendered the result of test void. Both Richard Sherman and the urine test collector agree the cup leaked, Sherman's sample transferred to a different cup. That deviation from procedure was not noted in the collector's initial report of the collection process, but was added in October.
 
2012-12-27 06:19:12 PM

Super Chronic: Please either post your survey or admit you haven't got the slightest clue what most Seahawk fans do or don't understand.



Seahawk fans didn't understand in The Super Bowl that missing field goals and leaving Hines Ward wide open don't help your cause (remember the pass from Randle-El to Ward?!).

But hey, instead of admitting the team blew it, let's blame the referees instead!
 
2012-12-27 06:23:15 PM

LessO2: Super Chronic: Please either post your survey or admit you haven't got the slightest clue what most Seahawk fans do or don't understand.


Seahawk fans didn't understand in The Super Bowl that missing field goals and leaving Hines Ward wide open don't help your cause (remember the pass from Randle-El to Ward?!).

But hey, instead of admitting the team blew it, let's blame the referees instead!


You ever notice that no one ever says the Seahawks deserved the win? Just that the game was officiated very poorly and in one direction. Phantom holding, Rapey Ben phantom TD, Hasselbeck low block, etc.
 
2012-12-27 06:28:00 PM

seumasokelly: You ever notice that no one ever says the Seahawks deserved the win? Just that the game was officiated very poorly and in one direction. Phantom holding, Rapey Ben phantom TD, Hasselbeck low block, etc.



No.

And thank you for proving my point.
 
2012-12-27 06:31:17 PM

LessO2: seumasokelly: You ever notice that no one ever says the Seahawks deserved the win? Just that the game was officiated very poorly and in one direction. Phantom holding, Rapey Ben phantom TD, Hasselbeck low block, etc.


No.

And thank you for proving my point.


Neither team played well in that game is my point, I suppose. No one that I've talked to actually thinks the Seahawks played well enough to say they should've won, but referees don't apologize during tearful confessions when they officiate really well.
 
2012-12-27 06:35:05 PM

ongbok: HAHAHA U MAD BRO?




Yes



Yes


*Applause*
 
2012-12-27 06:37:32 PM

puffy999: So, did the tester guy pour some of Browner's pee in his cup? Or was his sample tainted, as well? Or did it just so happen that Browner was caught and somehow Sherman's results got mixed in? Or was it just an honest mistake? Or did Sherman really take PEDs (or illegal substances that may not be PEDs)?

I guess it doesn't really matter.


Browner is an UDFA, he likely makes around league minimum, and has a family who's supported him for years as he chased his NFL dream. You think he really can afford to lose 25% of his salary and fight an appeals process stacked against players by hiring a $2000 an hour attorney and cover costs like plane tickets to new york? For Sherman it was a pretty bold move, he's making 5th round money.

Hopefully, the NFL will vacate Browner's suspension and restore his game checks given how completely egregiously the sampling was handled on that day. This is the kind of mistake that can result in standards audits or revocation in other industries, and it casts league wide doubt on how the NFL does testing. If the NFL refuses to make things right with both Sherman, but especially Browner, I hope the Seahawks will find a way to so on behalf of the league.
 
2012-12-27 06:42:06 PM
Anyway, Richard Sherman this week:

Returned a blocked FG for a TD
Intercepted a pass to prevent a TD
Helped the Seahawks defeat the 49ers
Defeated the corrupt drug-testing system of the NFL

That he is not player of the week this week is even more of a travesty than him not being in the Pro Bowl.
 
2012-12-27 06:42:54 PM

Tickle Mittens: puffy999: So, did the tester guy pour some of Browner's pee in his cup? Or was his sample tainted, as well? Or did it just so happen that Browner was caught and somehow Sherman's results got mixed in? Or was it just an honest mistake? Or did Sherman really take PEDs (or illegal substances that may not be PEDs)?

I guess it doesn't really matter.

Browner is an UDFA, he likely makes around league minimum, and has a family who's supported him for years as he chased his NFL dream. You think he really can afford to lose 25% of his salary and fight an appeals process stacked against players by hiring a $2000 an hour attorney and cover costs like plane tickets to new york? For Sherman it was a pretty bold move, he's making 5th round money.

Hopefully, the NFL will vacate Browner's suspension and restore his game checks given how completely egregiously the sampling was handled on that day. This is the kind of mistake that can result in standards audits or revocation in other industries, and it casts league wide doubt on how the NFL does testing. If the NFL refuses to make things right with both Sherman, but especially Browner, I hope the Seahawks will find a way to so on behalf of the league.


Sherman's defense had a pretty solid shot at getting the suspension overturned - it was clear that the procedures had not been followed. It seems awfully likely that Browner's test was not screwed up.
 
2012-12-27 06:49:52 PM

LessO2: seumasokelly: You ever notice that no one ever says the Seahawks deserved the win? Just that the game was officiated very poorly and in one direction. Phantom holding, Rapey Ben phantom TD, Hasselbeck low block, etc.


No.

And thank you for proving my point.


Your douche-to-post ratio in this thread is at a record high, so you have that going.

/we get it, you don't like them, you've made the point
 
2012-12-27 06:50:19 PM

IAmRight: Anyway, Richard Sherman this week:

Returned a blocked FG for a TD
Intercepted a pass to prevent a TD
Helped the Seahawks defeat the 49ers
Defeated the corrupt drug-testing system of the NFL

That he is not player of the week this week is even more of a travesty than him not being in the Pro Bowl.



Lighten up.

The outcome of the game was only in doubt at the coin flip. If he did those things in a 21-14 game, he might have gotten more consideration.

Besides, if he got the nod, it would not look good to have the title then a suspension.

Also, you might want to grab a dictionary and learn the difference between the words "corrupt" and "flawed."
 
2012-12-27 06:51:42 PM

IAmRight: Anyway, Richard Sherman this week:

Returned a blocked FG for a TD
Intercepted a pass to prevent a TD
Helped the Seahawks defeat the 49ers
Defeated the corrupt drug-testing system of the NFL

That he is not player of the week this week is even more of a travesty than him not being in the Pro Bowl.


Can't really take it away from Matt Ryan, but a case could be made that the Seahawks should have swept the weekly player awards with Wilson, Bryant and Sherman.
 
2012-12-27 06:52:53 PM

LessO2: IAmRight: Anyway, Richard Sherman this week:

Returned a blocked FG for a TD
Intercepted a pass to prevent a TD
Helped the Seahawks defeat the 49ers
Defeated the corrupt drug-testing system of the NFL

That he is not player of the week this week is even more of a travesty than him not being in the Pro Bowl.


Lighten up.

The outcome of the game was only in doubt at the coin flip. If he did those things in a 21-14 game, he might have gotten more consideration.

Besides, if he got the nod, it would not look good to have the title then a suspension.

Also, you might want to grab a dictionary and learn the difference between the words "corrupt" and "flawed."


Something can be both corrupt and flawed. They're not mutually exclusive.
 
2012-12-27 06:53:35 PM

LessO2: Super Chronic: Please either post your survey or admit you haven't got the slightest clue what most Seahawk fans do or don't understand.


Seahawk fans didn't understand in The Super Bowl that missing field goals and leaving Hines Ward wide open don't help your cause (remember the pass from Randle-El to Ward?!).

But hey, instead of admitting the team blew it, let's blame the referees instead!


And by the way, can we forever banish the concept that "Seahawk fans keep bringing up Super Bowl XL, thus proving they can never get over it"? 90% of the time Super Bowl XL comes up in Fark threads, it originates with retarded crap like this.
 
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