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(AlterNet)   Right wingers plot to oust Boehner as Speaker of the House. "The Constitution does not say that the speaker of the House has to be a member of the House"   (alternet.org) divider line 229
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2012-12-27 12:08:12 PM
Wouldn't the definition of "officer" -which the Speaker is explicitly stated to be- imply a requirement for preexisting membership in the body?
 
2012-12-27 12:31:56 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-27 12:49:02 PM
As much as it would be really cool (from a political theater sense) to see something like this happen, I sincerely doubt that Boehner's job is in jeopardy.

/Heh: "Boehner job".
 
2012-12-27 01:15:53 PM
Actually, by naming the Speaker as an officer of the House (which it does: Article 1, Section 1, fifth paragraph), it creates that requirement. An officer must by definition be a member of the body to which his or her office pertains, and no one can be a member of the House who has not been duly elected to his or her post.
 
2012-12-27 02:04:40 PM
I bet the same group that came up with this asinine idea of using an unelected government czar of sorts is also the same group that wants to end the direct election of US senators. I thought the conservatives were trying to shrink the size of government not adding people to the taxpayers' tab.The will of the electorate on how to govern is suppose to come from results of voting. The stupid burns from this idea of a unelected person "leading" the US House
 
2012-12-27 02:55:48 PM

Millennium: Actually, by naming the Speaker as an officer of the House (which it does: Article 1, Section 1, fifth paragraph), it creates that requirement. An officer must by definition be a member of the body to which his or her office pertains, and no one can be a member of the House who has not been duly elected to his or her post.


These people have a history of making terrible decisions. They have a poor understanding of the Constitution. I'm not surprised by their logic here as there is hardly any expressed every other time.
 
2012-12-27 03:14:06 PM
Choose whoever you like, you clowns

/until you all get your collective heads out of your asses, it won't matter anyway
 
2012-12-27 03:33:41 PM
I'd *love* to see the short list of Freeper-approved candidates to be the Speaker.
 
2012-12-27 03:33:42 PM

Millennium: Actually, by naming the Speaker as an officer of the House (which it does: Article 1, Section 1, fifth paragraph), it creates that requirement. An officer must by definition be a member of the body to which his or her office pertains, and no one can be a member of the House who has not been duly elected to his or her post.


Is this one of those parts of the constitution they chose to skip when they did that "Let's Read the Constitution on the Floor of Congress" thing last year?
 
2012-12-27 03:38:17 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd *love* to see the short list of Freeper-approved candidates to be the Speaker.


Sarah Palin
Sarah Palin
Sarah Palin
...
Michelle Bachmann
 
2012-12-27 03:53:38 PM
They're willing to look outside the club for someone who will be even more inept?

Bless their hearts!
 
2012-12-27 04:11:00 PM
Well, the fark has likely forced us off the fiscal cliff, so good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
2012-12-27 04:38:02 PM

GAT_00: Well, the fark has likely forced us off the fiscal cliff, so good riddance to bad rubbish.


lucien0maverick.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-27 04:56:54 PM

duffblue: GAT_00: Well, the fark has likely forced us off the fiscal cliff, so good riddance to bad rubbish.

[lucien0maverick.files.wordpress.com image 346x260]


Boehner's House won't be back in session until Sunday at 6PM.  That is not enough time for anything to get through the Senate, much less over a guaranteed filibuster no matter what it is.  And after failing with his little Plan B, he skipped down which stopped all negotiation.  This is entirely the GOP's fault, and primarily his.
 
2012-12-27 05:05:39 PM
Not gonna happen but I'd love the cockpunch to Cantor.

Meanwhile, Reid will be changing the filibuster rules...
 
2012-12-27 05:12:20 PM
So....Grover Nordquist? I mean you might as well make it official.
 
2012-12-27 05:16:12 PM

GAT_00: duffblue: GAT_00: Well, the fark has likely forced us off the fiscal cliff, so good riddance to bad rubbish.

[lucien0maverick.files.wordpress.com image 346x260]

Boehner's House won't be back in session until Sunday at 6PM.  That is not enough time for anything to get through the Senate, much less over a guaranteed filibuster no matter what it is.  And after failing with his little Plan B, he skipped down which stopped all negotiation.  This is entirely the GOP's fault, and primarily his.


And don't forget that, if the GOP hadn't thrown a purely partisan hissy-fit over the debt ceiling, there wouldn't BE a fiscal cliff to worry about. The blame for any problems that arise from going over the cliff rest squarely on the shoulders of the Republican party, and the American people know it.
 
2012-12-27 05:17:39 PM
Although Boyle relies entirely on unnamed sources, he obtained a document laying out the plan, which is currently being circulated among right-wing members of the House. The irony is that they plan to use Boehner's promotion of an anti-union position favored by the Tea Party as the rationale for making the rules change.

Those who live by the sword....
 
2012-12-27 05:18:05 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd *love* to see the short list of Freeper-approved candidates to be the Speaker.


Michele Bachmann. How's that for a short list.
 
2012-12-27 05:18:42 PM
I love in-fighting. Just love it.
 
2012-12-27 05:19:06 PM
Setting aside Millennium's point (which is probably correct), lets say the GOP selects someone who is not a member of the House; would he be able to vote on bills?
 
2012-12-27 05:19:36 PM

themindiswatching: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd *love* to see the short list of Freeper-approved candidates to be the Speaker.

Sarah Palin
Sarah Palin
Sarah Palin
...
Michelle Bachmann


Allen West
 
2012-12-27 05:20:09 PM

themindiswatching: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd *love* to see the short list of Freeper-approved candidates to be the Speaker.

Sarah Palin
Sarah Palin
Sarah Palin
...
Michelle Bachmann


She's a pitbull with lipstick!

An old, jowly pitbull trying to remain relevant.
 
2012-12-27 05:22:55 PM
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2012-12-27 05:23:35 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: As much as it would be really cool (from a political theater sense) to see something like this happen, I sincerely doubt that Boehner's job is in jeopardy.

/Heh: "Boehner job".


Really? Because I don't see any way he can keep it. The Teabaggers are gunning for him, and he has few if any real political allies to provide him cover.
 
2012-12-27 05:25:05 PM
And on a far more impt note, why 'abolishment' when you could use 'abolition'?

/and don't even get started on 'insensed' FFS
 
2012-12-27 05:26:11 PM

BMulligan: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: As much as it would be really cool (from a political theater sense) to see something like this happen, I sincerely doubt that Boehner's job is in jeopardy.

/Heh: "Boehner job".

Really? Because I don't see any way he can keep it. The Teabaggers are gunning for him, and he has few if any real political allies to provide him cover.


Best outcome reps split their vote and dems take the speakership, that would be hilarious
 
2012-12-27 05:26:16 PM

Millennium: Actually, by naming the Speaker as an officer of the House (which it does: Article 1, Section 1, fifth paragraph), it creates that requirement. An officer must by definition be a member of the body to which his or her office pertains, and no one can be a member of the House who has not been duly elected to his or her post.


Teabaggers are actually ignorant about the Constitution?

blogdailyherald.com

Hang on...let me fix that....

Teabaggers are actually ignorant about the Constitution?
 
2012-12-27 05:26:53 PM
I'm a bit confused, next week (after the swearing in of new members) the Tea-Party types will actually be losing clout as a number of their members were defeated and the Dem's picked up 7 seats.

How do they claim to have expanded their power over the House (and/or Boehner)?

Is the reality, or just the math those Republicans do to make themselves feel better?
 
2012-12-27 05:27:05 PM
The right loves and strictly adheres to the version of the Constitution that they pretend exists, not the one that actually exists. Also:

Speaker Bachmann

Do it, you pansies
 
2012-12-27 05:27:12 PM
It's like a Mexican standoff. But with old, white, and entitled men.
 
2012-12-27 05:27:53 PM

BMulligan: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: As much as it would be really cool (from a political theater sense) to see something like this happen, I sincerely doubt that Boehner's job is in jeopardy.

/Heh: "Boehner job".

Really? Because I don't see any way he can keep it. The Teabaggers are gunning for him, and he has few if any real political allies to provide him cover.


I think Boehner's gonna go, but it's not going to be a hostile removal. He'll step down with a replacement already agreed on. He can't stay because they have cut the legs out from under him in negotiations too many times for him to be credible going forward.The Tea Party nutters scare the brass too much to allow it to be an actual race, so it will be a back room deal.
 
2012-12-27 05:29:20 PM

Millennium: Wouldn't the definition of "officer" -which the Speaker is explicitly stated to be- imply a requirement for preexisting membership in the body?


If there is, it's a procedural rule, which the houses of congress can change fairly easily if they've got broad support for the change. It's not like a law or anything, and a third-party chairman isn't unheard of for large meetings of any given group. A little odd for a group that meets regularly (third-party chairs tend to be preferred for one-shot meetings where they have to play mediator and the members don't know each other very well if at all).

That said, good luck on them getting anyone to agree to this, especially since the explicit intent of the rule change would be to insert a mediator who isn't impartial.

Muta: Setting aside Millennium's point (which is probably correct), lets say the GOP selects someone who is not a member of the House; would he be able to vote on bills?


No. That would definitely be an issue if the speaker gets to issue tie-breaker votes on a regular basis. I don't think that's actually the case in any real sense, but yeah, worth bringing up.

//Who gets a vote is a matter of law, not procedure, so it can't be modified by congress without passing a law subject to meeting constitutional muster.
 
2012-12-27 05:31:29 PM

mjjt: And on a far more impt note, why 'abolishment' when you could use 'abolition'?

/and don't even get started on 'insensed' FFS


It's practably the same thing, for all in tents and porpoises.
 
2012-12-27 05:31:59 PM
So, here's how it goes down. The "Republican" vote splits between Boehner and a far-right candidate (Cantor?). The Democrats solidly vote for Pelosi, electing her speaker.

Also:

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2012-12-27 05:34:30 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: BMulligan: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: As much as it would be really cool (from a political theater sense) to see something like this happen, I sincerely doubt that Boehner's job is in jeopardy.

/Heh: "Boehner job".

Really? Because I don't see any way he can keep it. The Teabaggers are gunning for him, and he has few if any real political allies to provide him cover.

I think Boehner's gonna go, but it's not going to be a hostile removal. He'll step down with a replacement already agreed on. He can't stay because they have cut the legs out from under him in negotiations too many times for him to be credible going forward.The Tea Party nutters scare the brass too much to allow it to be an actual race, so it will be a back room deal.


This wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
2012-12-27 05:35:17 PM
Site flag says "AlterNet". . . As in, reality?
 
2012-12-27 05:35:20 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd *love* to see the short list of Freeper-approved candidates to be the Speaker.


Palin, Bachmann, Norquist, Reagan, Jesus and Fox News.

/I joke, but I guarantee at least one of those dipshiats has written out that exact list in earnest.
//If the GOP nominates any of those, I'm going to start going back to church because there clearly must be a God.
 
2012-12-27 05:35:42 PM
I'd say anyone can be speaker, since the Constitution says "Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings". (IANAL)

But good luck changing the rules to exclude someone who was actually elected to the House. You'll need his vote.
 
2012-12-27 05:36:54 PM
Love watching the Repubtards tear each other apart. This is what happens when you invite the Koch brothers and their Tea Party puppets into your political party.
 
2012-12-27 05:37:56 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd *love* to see the short list of Freeper-approved candidates to be the Speaker.

Palin, Bachmann, Norquist, Reagan, Jesus and Fox News.

/I joke, but I guarantee at least one of those dipshiats has written out that exact list in earnest.
//If the GOP nominates any of those, I'm going to start going back to church because there clearly must be a God.


Reagan could never get the GOP to support him if he was around today.
 
2012-12-27 05:40:02 PM

NeoCortex42: Reagan could never get the GOP to support him if he was around today.


I know that, you know that, but they sure as hell don't know that. :P
 
2012-12-27 05:42:20 PM

YodaBlues: [i.qkme.me image 370x400]


Funny times infinity, had to step away from the computer.
 
2012-12-27 05:42:59 PM

russlar: So, here's how it goes down. The "Republican" vote splits between Boehner and a far-right candidate (Cantor?).


The problem is finding a far-right candidate dumb enough to accept that nomination knowing that it could result in a potential split. For the most part it's the actual Tea Party voters that are for reals that stupid, most of the actual people that got their positions running on a TP platform just play one on TV, as it were.

//Is that still a common turn of phrase? I just realized I haven't heard a "but I play one on TV" reference since the early 2000s.
 
2012-12-27 05:43:34 PM

BMulligan: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: As much as it would be really cool (from a political theater sense) to see something like this happen, I sincerely doubt that Boehner's job is in jeopardy.

/Heh: "Boehner job".

Really? Because I don't see any way he can keep it. The Teabaggers are gunning for him, and he has few if any real political allies to provide him cover.


Here's a thought:

A fragmented GOP in the House allows Pelosi to be elected.

Haven't had this much fun since 1824.
 
2012-12-27 05:44:02 PM
Seriously House Dems, this is your chance to try and find 20 Republicans to caucus with you.

Terms of the deal will be:
GOP member gets to be Speaker.
GOP members get a certain number of chairmanships.
Dems will not run anyone against these members in the general (even if member loses the GOP primary and then run as independents).
Obama will support these members if they ask for it.
GOP members pledge to support certain legislation and the GOP Speaker must bring up all Dem bills.
 
2012-12-27 05:44:13 PM

Jim_Callahan: russlar: So, here's how it goes down. The "Republican" vote splits between Boehner and a far-right candidate (Cantor?).

The problem is finding a far-right candidate dumb enough to accept that nomination knowing that it could result in a potential split. For the most part it's the actual Tea Party voters that are for reals that stupid, most of the actual people that got their positions running on a TP platform just play one on TV, as it were.

//Is that still a common turn of phrase? I just realized I haven't heard a "but I play one on TV" reference since the early 2000s.


I think the phrase has now become "...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night".
 
2012-12-27 05:45:16 PM

Bontesla: Millennium: Actually, by naming the Speaker as an officer of the House (which it does: Article 1, Section 1, fifth paragraph), it creates that requirement. An officer must by definition be a member of the body to which his or her office pertains, and no one can be a member of the House who has not been duly elected to his or her post.

These people have a history of making terrible decisions. They have a poor understanding of the Constitution. I'm not surprised by their logic here as there is hardly any expressed every other time.


They don't have a poor understanding of the constitution. They understand it just fine, they just like to twist it to fit whatever their agenda is at the time. And will loudly kick, scream, yell about it and slander whoever they need to until they get their way.
 
2012-12-27 05:48:15 PM

NeoCortex42: Fluorescent Testicle: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd *love* to see the short list of Freeper-approved candidates to be the Speaker.

Palin, Bachmann, Norquist, Reagan, Jesus and Fox News.

/I joke, but I guarantee at least one of those dipshiats has written out that exact list in earnest.
//If the GOP nominates any of those, I'm going to start going back to church because there clearly must be a God.

Reagan could never get the GOP to support him if he was around today.


Democrats would condemned him for being a wild eyed idealist.
 
2012-12-27 05:49:41 PM

thornhill: Seriously House Dems, this is your chance to try and find 20 Republicans to caucus with you.

Terms of the deal will be:
GOP member gets to be Speaker.
GOP members get a certain number of chairmanships.
Dems will not run anyone against these members in the general (even if member loses the GOP primary and then run as independents).
Obama will support these members if they ask for it.
GOP members pledge to support certain legislation and the GOP Speaker must bring up all Dem bills.


And the result would be 20 new Tea Party members of Congress in 2014.
 
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