Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Arizona Sports)   Fantasy football is dumb, says sports writer who sucks at fantasy football   (arizonasports.com) divider line 104
    More: Unlikely, Fantasy Football, sportswriters, Merril Hoge, Ray Rice, Tie the Knot, human emotions, camaraderie, Baltimore Ravens  
•       •       •

569 clicks; posted to Sports » on 27 Dec 2012 at 5:37 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



104 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-12-27 11:47:46 AM  
It is dumb
 
2012-12-27 03:18:39 PM  
I have several friends who are in 1 or maybe 2 casual fantasy football leagues, and a couple friends who are hardcore fantasy football fiends (belonging to or being the commissioner for at least 4 leagues.)

From what I have seen of their participation in the fantasy leagues and concurrent football seasons, fantasy football is a way for them to try and reinvigorate their interest in the game. It provides them with reasons for watching games other than those in which their favorite team is playing, gives them a more involved-seeming participation in the pass-time, and generally boosts their interest in the sport.

It also appears to turn them into stats-obsessed freakazoids who get nothing done at all on Fridays, most Mondays and some Tuesdays during football season, and starts to make them think that they have some sort of impact on what happens on the field.

Personally, I think that all that energy could be better channeled into a more worthwhile hobby like model trains, needlepoint or hobo-punching.
 
2012-12-27 03:41:30 PM  
So, because some other people take Fantasy Football too seriously by Tweeting players to tell them to "do their job" (which is apparently only to rack up stats in FF categories in their eyes), that makes FF "dumb"?

Just because some people do stupid things, that doesn't mean it can't be done by others in a completely fine way.
 
2012-12-27 04:29:47 PM  
It is dumb.

But, fantasy baseball is awesome and serious business.
 
2012-12-27 04:57:16 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: It is dumb.

But, fantasy baseball is awesome and serious business.


Fantasy football = checkers

Fantasy baseball = chess
 
2012-12-27 05:03:12 PM  
I don't play it, never have... but I can totally understand why people find it fun.

I'm a fan of the Saints and Bears.  After their games are over, its not likely I'm going to be too interested in other games.  Fantasy football provides fans with just that... interest in most every game.

I do sometimes play elimination pools.  So there would be one extra game I'm invested in.
 
2012-12-27 05:06:11 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: It is dumb.

But, fantasy baseball is awesome and serious business.


Fantasy Baseball is way too much investment considering the length of the season.  It's also heavily dependent on players getting into slumps which isn't really a problem with football for whatever reason.

But I also won a championship last week, so there is that.
 
2012-12-27 05:21:10 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Fantasy football = checkers

Fantasy baseball = chess


Nah.  There's plenty of advice and league management tools out there for both to give you good odds of winning even if you know nothing about the sport.

The primary difference is that you have a shot at winning your fantasy football league if you spend 15 minutes a week over 4 months paying attention to it.  With fantasy baseball you need to spend 15 minutes a day over 7 months to have a shot.
 
2012-12-27 05:31:37 PM  

Babwa Wawa: sigdiamond2000: Fantasy football = checkers

Fantasy baseball = chess

Nah.  There's plenty of advice and league management tools out there for both to give you good odds of winning even if you know nothing about the sport.

The primary difference is that you have a shot at winning your fantasy football league if you spend 15 minutes a week over 4 months paying attention to it.  With fantasy baseball you need to spend 15 minutes a day over 7 months to have a shot.


Which is also a good analogy of why in general Football is more popular than other sports right now.     Would football have similar seen "popularity" if as a sport teams were able to play games 2-3 days a week, and their season was 40-50 games long?     Part of what makes football popular is the fact that every game for your team is seen as an "event" much more than any one individual baseball or basketball or hockey game.

It is interesting that the nature of football (the fact that it is really not "viable"/"safe" enough to have teams play more than once per week because of the level of contact) is also what has made it as popular as it is.
 
2012-12-27 05:46:32 PM  
It's for fun, and if you aren't having fun just get out of it. The tweets back and forth were all derp worthy on both sides. FF fans for "whar our points ray! whar!" and Ray Rice for his "whar newton ct! whar!"

FF fans. The guy isn't playing for you. He's playing doing what the Ravens ask of him.

Ray Rice. If it bothered you that much what happened in Newton then you should have skipped the game or something. Your real game didn't matter either compared to that.

So much derp, such a short season.
 
2012-12-27 05:47:15 PM  
ITT:

0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2012-12-27 05:49:18 PM  

GAT_00: It's also heavily dependent on players getting into slumps which isn't really a problem with football for whatever reason.


www.gannett-cdn.com
 
2012-12-27 05:50:49 PM  
Agree with those above. Baseball was made for Fantasy sports and vice versa.
 
2012-12-27 05:53:07 PM  
This is where I'll come to whine about being second place in my Fantasy Football League for the third year in a row. Last year it was Romo's finger. This year it was Joe Flacco going off against the Giants netting me a two point loss. Two years ago it was

Meanwhile in Fantasy baseball, I win every year since people set their lineups at the beginning of the year and rarely make adjustments.

Look here you neanderthals, Fantasy Baseball is an every day event. If you can't take 10 minutes out of your day to adjust your lineup or drop the guy who broke his hand yesterday, I'm not sure why you are bothering to play at all. I understand missing a day every now and then due to real life situations, but the advent of smartphones means that you should never be without a connection to make a lineup change as needed.

All of that being said, that's probably why people flock to Fantasy Football. It takes very little dedication. If you do well enough in the draft, that can carry you the entire season. In fantasy baseball, the draft is good enough to net you last place if you don't update your lineup constantly.
 
2012-12-27 05:59:43 PM  

degenerate-afro: This is where I'll come to whine about being second place in my Fantasy Football League for the third year in a row. Last year it was Romo's finger. This year it was Joe Flacco going off against the Giants netting me a two point loss. Two years ago it was

Meanwhile in Fantasy baseball, I win every year since people set their lineups at the beginning of the year and rarely make adjustments.

Look here you neanderthals, Fantasy Baseball is an every day event. If you can't take 10 minutes out of your day to adjust your lineup or drop the guy who broke his hand yesterday, I'm not sure why you are bothering to play at all. I understand missing a day every now and then due to real life situations, but the advent of smartphones means that you should never be without a connection to make a lineup change as needed.

All of that being said, that's probably why people flock to Fantasy Football. It takes very little dedication. If you do well enough in the draft, that can carry you the entire season. In fantasy baseball, the draft is good enough to net you last place if you don't update your lineup constantly.


Yeah, that's why I don't do it.  I've considered it, but the investment is too much (and me being lazy would kinda bring down the enjoyment of competition for everyone.)

It would be cool if there was a fantasy baseball league where you only made roster adjustments once per week or something.
 
2012-12-27 06:12:35 PM  
Fantasy football is just Dungeons and Dragons for jocks.
 
2012-12-27 06:13:32 PM  
Soooo people are jerks on Twitter, so you're quitting? Man, just be honest & admit that you quit because you don't win & that makes you mad.

That being said, there are people who take fantasy football WAY too seriously. Same goes for gambling. People complaining that some player didn't get them enough points in FFB are just as annoying as people complaining that some team didn't cover the spread. There needs to be a separation in your head between reality & fantasy.  Fantasy leagues & gambling are just games that we made up about a game.

Ray Rice is just one of about six billion people who do not care about your fantasy football team OR how much you put down on the Ravens covering the spread.
 
2012-12-27 06:25:23 PM  

TheCheese: I have several friends who are in 1 or maybe 2 casual fantasy football leagues, and a couple friends who are hardcore fantasy football fiends (belonging to or being the commissioner for at least 4 leagues.)

From what I have seen of their participation in the fantasy leagues and concurrent football seasons, fantasy football is a way for them to try and reinvigorate their interest in the game. It provides them with reasons for watching games other than those in which their favorite team is playing, gives them a more involved-seeming participation in the pass-time, and generally boosts their interest in the sport.

It also appears to turn them into stats-obsessed freakazoids who get nothing done at all on Fridays, most Mondays and some Tuesdays during football season, and starts to make them think that they have some sort of impact on what happens on the field.

Personally, I think that all that energy could be better channeled into a more worthwhile hobby like model trains, needlepoint or hobo-punching.

strangling animals, golf, and masturbating.

FTFM

Proust,in his first book wrote about, wrote about...
*BONG*
start again
 
2012-12-27 06:27:05 PM  
Going to a Thursday night game every week has been a real killer for me. I set my lineups for the next week while watching Monday Night Football, and then adjust them using online cheatsheets on Saturdays, while watching college football. Otherwise I find that I will waste time on FF when I am supposed to be working. But the Thursday games mess this up. It wasn't so bad last year with only half a season of Thursday games, but this year it caused me to lose matches, especially in the IDP leagues.

This sportswriter has played for ten years and NEVER won a league? I wonder how many of the experts on the NFL network have the same record? Their advice is consistently bad. The one guy, Fabiano, sucks so bad that I use him as a reverse barometer.
 
2012-12-27 06:36:26 PM  
playing in final this week.

/lame cuz some studs are sitting.
// chopping pot with opponent in protest.
 
2012-12-27 06:42:34 PM  
Dumb? That's subjective. It's interesting how fantasy football turned demos who historically wouldn't pay as close attention to football (i.e. women, kids) into statisticians within a month. Think that doesn't help TV ratings?
 
2012-12-27 06:44:52 PM  
INCOMING CSB

I play in a head-to-head 10-team IDP league every year. Won it all last year on the backs of Matthew Stafford, Matt Forte, the SF DEF and great IDPs.

This year? Drafted Adrian Peterson, Aaron Rodgers, Rob Gronkowski and the San Francisco defense. Remember back before Week 1 when Adrian was a risk? haha...

I started 1-4.

Traded Rob Gronkowski (and some others) for Maurice Jones-Drew (and some others), who I then swung in another deal (with someone) to get Brandon Lloyd and Matt Forte.

Picked up Randall Cobb, Michael Crabtree, Kyle Rudolph, Brandon Myers.

Did. Not. Lose. After. That.

/two-time champion
//ten-team league
///csb
 
2012-12-27 06:47:30 PM  
The first time I played roto baseball I drafted the perfect team and did nearly no add/drops and few lineup changes and fell out of first place only because I lost my computer in the last month to hardware failure and something did happen that required a change, but alas I could do nothing. Second place :(
 
2012-12-27 06:53:01 PM  
Yeah, if you're in an NFL.com league and they determine tiebreakers by H2H record instead of total points, it's stupid. It makes sense in the NFL because you're an actual team and you have some influence over how much your team and your opponents' team scores. In FFB that's an idiotic way.

/4-way tie for 6-7 in my league (5th and 6th playoff spots would've been in there)...I had the 3rd most points in the league and 100+ more than anyone else I was tied with...but I lost to every other 6-7 team throughout the year
//won consolation, at least
 
2012-12-27 06:53:02 PM  
Its fun until you realize you are rooting against the best player on your favorite team because your FFB opponent started them that week


yes, you Aaron Rodgers
 
2012-12-27 07:10:39 PM  

TheCheese: I have several friends who are in 1 or maybe 2 casual fantasy football leagues, and a couple friends who are hardcore fantasy football fiends (belonging to or being the commissioner for at least 4 leagues.)

From what I have seen of their participation in the fantasy leagues and concurrent football seasons, fantasy football is a way for them to try and reinvigorate their interest in the game. It provides them with reasons for watching games other than those in which their favorite team is playing, gives them a more involved-seeming participation in the pass-time, and generally boosts their interest in the sport.

It also appears to turn them into stats-obsessed freakazoids who get nothing done at all on Fridays, most Mondays and some Tuesdays during football season, and starts to make them think that they have some sort of impact on what happens on the field.

Personally, I think that all that energy could be better channeled into a more worthwhile hobby like model trains, needlepoint or hobo-punching.


I read that as homo-punching at first and thought to myself, "Whoa oh oh". Then i looked a second time and realized what you had typed and calmed down.

But I will like to go on the record and say hobo-punching isn't cool either.
 
2012-12-27 07:13:52 PM  

Circusdog320: It is dumb


Seconded
 
2012-12-27 07:16:08 PM  

sigdiamond2000: ignatius_crumbcake: It is dumb.

But, fantasy baseball is awesome and serious business.

Fantasy football = checkers

Fantasy baseball = chess


Meh I disagree.
F Baseball as others have said is just too much of an investment. I played Fantasy Hockey and it was a chunk of time each day.

FF I have made playoffs in every money league I've participated in ( standard scoring 12 teams) and cashed 90% of the time.

My Keys to a successful team the last few seasons
drafting,
1. When guys have career years they most always normalize the next season. Example this season, Jimmy Grant who I had last year, drafted 6th round was going ridiculously high in most leagues like second round. Teams scheme against them plus added pressure on player to "do it again". You are buying way too high.

2. Your stud RB should get plenty of touches per game and have a good track record with avoiding injury. I wouldn't take McFadden and a few others in early rounds based on their fragile nature. They were at a premium (this season McCoy,Rice Foster,Lynch and others) with a few of the rookies ending up warhorses.

3. WR's are deep. I got Marshall in round 3, Percy Harvin in the 5th and A Brown in the sixth. I'm not drafting Julio Jones over Trent Richardson in round two.

4. Only a few select defenses are worth drafting in say round 9. I took the Seasquawks second to last round and picked up the Bears on waivers week two. You can stream defenses week to week but its a crapshoot early in the season.

5. draft for depth at RB and WR. you don't need two kickers and two tight ends and two QBs.

6. Use the waiver wire.

7. Don't get cute with match ups, DON'T SIT YOU STUDS!

8. research the second and third year guys. Often times it takes a college guy a year or so to adjust. If you are paying attention you can get these guys in the late rounds and they wind up must starts. I took Randell Cobb in the last round this season. CJ Spiller went in the 8th round.

that's it.
 
2012-12-27 07:17:05 PM  

Anarchangel: INCOMING CSB

I play in a head-to-head 10-team IDP league every year. Won it all last year on the backs of Matthew Stafford, Matt Forte, the SF DEF and great IDPs.

This year? Drafted Adrian Peterson, Aaron Rodgers, Rob Gronkowski and the San Francisco defense. Remember back before Week 1 when Adrian was a risk? haha...

I started 1-4.

Traded Rob Gronkowski (and some others) for Maurice Jones-Drew (and some others), who I then swung in another deal (with someone) to get Brandon Lloyd and Matt Forte.

Picked up Randall Cobb, Michael Crabtree, Kyle Rudolph, Brandon Myers.

Did. Not. Lose. After. That.

/two-time champion
//ten-team league
///csb


ten team league is weak. but good for you.
 
2012-12-27 07:40:23 PM  

Di Atribe: Soooo people are jerks on Twitter, so you're quitting? Man, just be honest & admit that you quit because you don't win & that makes you mad.

That being said, there are people who take fantasy football WAY too seriously. Same goes for gambling. People complaining that some player didn't get them enough points in FFB are just as annoying as people complaining that some team didn't cover the spread. There needs to be a separation in your head between reality & fantasy.  Fantasy leagues & gambling are just games that we made up about a game.

Ray Rice is just one of about six billion people who do not care about your fantasy football team OR how much you put down on the Ravens covering the spread.


I do find it interesting though, I think this is a side problem of our "connected" society, especially the "fake connection" people now have with some "celebrities" because of being on Twitter and FB feeds.   I mean, to a certain extent, vs. 20 or even 10 years ago, it was much more of a "fantasy", in the fact that, you would never have the ability to go have a "conversation" like this with Ray Rice and tell him to "do his job".
 
2012-12-27 07:42:22 PM  

ongbok: But I will like to go on the record and say hobo-punching isn't cool either.


Hey, its just a hobby.

Its not like I punch them for money or anything, and I always ask permission first.
 
2012-12-27 07:50:57 PM  

TheCheese: Its not like I punch them for money or anything, and I always ask permission first.


It's not really "asking for permission" if you're going to punch them regardless of their answer.
 
2012-12-27 08:00:44 PM  
I had Arian Foster in my championship game. Left with an irregular heartbeat after struggling to put up a single FF point early. Didn't get mad at him and I managed to win my match in the end anyway. Good FF players don't rely on one or two players to carry them.
 
2012-12-27 08:11:57 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Fantasy football is just Dungeons and Dragons for jocks.


Wow! Did you come up with that by yourself?
 
2012-12-27 08:13:55 PM  

IAmRight: It's not really "asking for permission" if you're going to punch them regardless of their answer.


They are hoboes. If they don't like the entertainment here, they can hop on the next freight out of town.
 
2012-12-27 08:23:26 PM  
The hell with you, author of some article that I choose not to read. This year, I won two of the five leagues that I was a part of. Hell, I ended up beating the living hell out of my brother (!) in my family/friend league to take home the championship.

I even went so far as to drive the dagger even deeper:
img.photobucket.com

This author just doesn't get what it means to live vicariously through the accomplishments of others, and I pity him for that. What a quitter.
 
2012-12-27 08:31:37 PM  

ArtosRC: This author just doesn't get what it means to live vicariously through the accomplishments of others, and I pity him for that. What a quitter.


If it's not fun for you, you can quit playing. It's much more pathetic when you whine about it.
 
2012-12-27 08:31:47 PM  
Also, H2H is really a stupid way to go as well, since it just adds to the sheer randomness of outcomes. It's entirely possible to have the best team in the league and go 0 for the season, and it's possible to have one of the league's worst teams and have a perfect record - you just have to be better than one team each week.

I remember a few years ago, I had the second-most points in the league and won it. The guy that had the most points started the season 0-7 as every single week, he played the team with the most points for the week - he started getting wins after that, but it was too little, too late, and he failed to make the playoffs.

I do like how dumbasses will act as though it's all their skill when they win, though. I won one league and won consolation in the other (see above post for the reason why I was there) - I didn't pay any more attention than anyone else - just lucked out that Peterson came back better than ever and that Demariyus Thomas and Reggie Wayne happened to be among the league leaders in reception yardage for most of the first part of the season.

/then the Seattle D and Russell Wilson made up for some of the slack later in the year
//sometimes it's good to be a homer
 
2012-12-27 08:34:32 PM  

muck4doo: If it's not fun for you, you can quit playing. It's much more pathetic when you whine about it.


I know, right? It's almost like I said the same thing, but in a different manner altogether.
 
2012-12-27 08:40:13 PM  

ArtosRC: muck4doo: If it's not fun for you, you can quit playing. It's much more pathetic when you whine about it.

I know, right? It's almost like I said the same thing, but in a different manner altogether.


You said it in asshole manner. You may think you are sneaky, but you aren't. I speak and understand fluent asshole. When the asshole dictionary was made, I was there. Asshole.
 
2012-12-27 08:46:17 PM  

muck4doo: You said it in...


A different manner altogether, yes. It's good to see that we're on the same page on this.
 
2012-12-27 08:50:57 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Fantasy football is just Dungeons and Dragons for jocks.


absolutely not. No. Get out of here. That is neither funny, nor observant. Go ahead try and argue that it isn't a stupid and ignorant statement.
 
2012-12-27 08:53:25 PM  
i785.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-27 08:53:43 PM  

IAmRight: Also, H2H is really a stupid way to go as well, since it just adds to the sheer randomness of outcomes. It's entirely possible to have the best team in the league and go 0 for the season, and it's possible to have one of the league's worst teams and have a perfect record - you just have to be better than one team each week.


I'm liking Yahoo! FF because the leagues give you a stat report for oddities (and they are actually interesting). Mine pointed out that in half of my matchups my opponent scored their highest point total for the season. Farking brutal.
 
2012-12-27 08:53:47 PM  

TheCheese: I have several friends who are in 1 or maybe 2 casual fantasy football leagues, and a couple friends who are hardcore fantasy football fiends (belonging to or being the commissioner for at least 4 leagues.)

From what I have seen of their participation in the fantasy leagues and concurrent football seasons, fantasy football is a way for them to try and reinvigorate their interest in the game. It provides them with reasons for watching games other than those in which their favorite team is playing, gives them a more involved-seeming participation in the pass-time, and generally boosts their interest in the sport.



This. I actually care about other games than just the Raiders (except when I made my team all Raiders players after I got half my team on the injured list and said fark it), and when my Raiders lose...as they often do anymore, at least I can hope that my FF team pulls through.
 
2012-12-27 08:56:07 PM  

ArtosRC: The hell with you, author of some article that I choose not to read. This year, I won two of the five leagues that I was a part of. Hell, I ended up beating the living hell out of my brother (!) in my family/friend league to take home the championship.

I even went so far as to drive the dagger even deeper:
[img.photobucket.com image 799x449]

This author just doesn't get what it means to live vicariously through the accomplishments of others, and I pity him for that. What a quitter.


Oh shiat! Slider Adjusters? You got sixth in the league I was in, Porkins here.
 
2012-12-27 08:59:45 PM  
Yeah, I didn't do so well in both the Fark leagues I was in this year.

Did better than last year, though, where I was near the bottom of the standings.
 
2012-12-27 09:02:12 PM  

dletter: So, because some other people take Fantasy Football too seriously by Tweeting players to tell them to "do their job" (which is apparently only to rack up stats in FF categories in their eyes), that makes FF "dumb"?

Just because some people do stupid things, that doesn't mean it can't be done by others in a completely fine way.


No its stupid, never tried it and never had a desire to after seeing guys act like idiots when playing.

We have had to ban sports sites on some locations because their staff was wasting a ton of time doing this shiat.

IMO fantasy sports has ruined the game, too many people rooting for the players but not the team.
 
2012-12-27 09:02:16 PM  

ArtosRC: muck4doo: You said it in...

A different manner altogether, yes. It's good to see that we're on the same page on this.


Indeed. However, it is good when I get to communicate with others who understand the language. Even when the other is a retarded monkey. Asshole! Asshole? Asshole.

However, while it is fun to discuss the finer points of anal bum covers, a few announcements to make:

Congrats Fark UFIA League Champion: "Brent Favres Comeback". This was the 4th season of that league, and his work finally paid off. He's been there since the start.

Congrats Fark Fapper League Champion: "Texas tag U". This is by far the most shiat talking, mama slapping, fark fapping league I've seen so far. First year. This is going to be a raunchy league for years to come.

Congrats Steely McBeam Lovers in Di's "Sports tab All Stars" league. Third season, and he was consistent. I won't complain about anything like I set the record for most points in a season(1505) and still didn't make the play-offs, oh wait, I just did. All kidding aside, strong team, and Di and RQ ran yet another great season.

Can't wait till next season. :)
 
2012-12-27 09:05:17 PM  

muck4doo: Congrats Fark Fapper League Champion: "Texas tag U". This is by far the most shiat talking, mama slapping, fark fapping league I've seen so far. First year. This is going to be a raunchy league for years to come.


I hope you don't mind me asking, which team were you in the Fapper league?

That's been my best league experience in years, despite limping into the playoffs
 
Displayed 50 of 104 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report