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(CNSNews)   Supreme Court denies emergency request from company that wants to force Sharia Law on its workers, to the cheers of conservatives. Oh wait, I meant a request from a company that wants to force its Christian Values on workers   (cnsnews.com ) divider line
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2012-12-27 12:16:53 PM  
So, who the dumbass tag for subby?
 
2012-12-27 12:17:35 PM  
The American Taliban is still out there, people. Ever vigilant...
 
2012-12-27 12:18:04 PM  
Someone's got a weird definition of "emergency".
 
2012-12-27 12:18:07 PM  

mayIFark: So, who the dumbass tag for subby?


The people who think their imaginary friend should get to make life choices for their employees.

/Not Subby
 
2012-12-27 12:18:11 PM  
I just don't get the opposition to Plan B pills and the like. They prevent pregnancy. It's no more an abortion than condoms or masturbation.

Of course I also don't get why employers feel their personal religious views should dictate how their employees make their medical decisions either.

In short this story is absolutely full of incomprehensible stupidity.
 
2012-12-27 12:20:04 PM  
Hobby Lobby: We demand to be taken seriously!

Sotomayor: Typically, that happens in the lower courts before we dignify things like this with a response. So ... That's my response. Go take it up with somebody who cares.

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2012-12-27 12:21:58 PM  
If women were back in the home like they should be the contraception issue would take care of itself.
 
2012-12-27 12:22:13 PM  
Yes, not paying for somebody else's birth control pills is exactly like Sharia Law.
 
2012-12-27 12:22:46 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Someone's got a weird definition of "emergency".


If (and how likely is that considering the source) TFA is correct, facing a $1.3M a day fine starting Jan 1 would be an emergency to me.

I think the "Dumbass" tag is for all the commenters on that site,

/Not Subby
 
2012-12-27 12:23:21 PM  
Pour that stuff into the water supply and license people to procreate, requiring a High School diploma and the demonstrated ability to hold down a job for 6 months.
 
2012-12-27 12:24:40 PM  
1). Create law saying that ALL insurance plans for women must include contraceptive coverage.
2) ALL insurance plans offer contraceptive coverage to women. No-Contraception insurance is not available.
3) Sobbing of butthurt derpers slowly fades.
 
2012-12-27 12:24:47 PM  
fta In an opinion, Sotomayor said the stores fail to satisfy the demanding legal standard for blocking the requirement on an emergency basis. She said the companies may continue their challenge to the regulations in the lower courts.

So a swing and a miss. They'll go back to the farm leagues and be up again before long.
 
2012-12-27 12:25:20 PM  
The problem with conservatives is that after they've lost they can't let it go. You lost on abortion and in an attempt to get around the law you are currently at a pro-rape stance.

You lost at Obamacare and your only option is to continue down a path that you don't want to pursue.
 
2012-12-27 12:25:23 PM  

odinsposse: I just don't get the opposition to Plan B pills and the like. They prevent pregnancy. It's no more an abortion than condoms or masturbation.

Of course I also don't get why employers feel their personal religious views should dictate how their employees make their medical decisions either.

In short this story is absolutely full of incomprehensible stupidity.


Wha?

They have the same religious nonsense argument against condoms and masturbation, because they're "sins" as well.

Preventing a pregnancy that God intended? How dare you be so presumptuous!

As each day passes, I have greater and greater contempt for those that just want to drag society back down into the dark ages.
 
2012-12-27 12:25:43 PM  
I understand the moral objection to abortion. I don't agree with it at all, but I can at least see where pro-birth crowd comes from.

I do not understand the moral objection to birth control. And people who hold both these beliefs simultaneously need not be taken seriously.
 
2012-12-27 12:27:05 PM  

MugzyBrown: Yes, not paying for somebody else's birth control pills is exactly like Sharia Law.


Demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs IS exactly like Sharia Law.

Of course expecting that someone stupid enough to make the argument you did to follow that was probably dumbass on my part.


But I will try: Regulating what insurance companies offer =/= demanding anyone pay for anyone's birth control.
Expecting prescriptions I require for health reasons to be covered by insurance that is part of my compensation =/= anyone giving me free shiat, or me expecting the same.
 
2012-12-27 12:28:07 PM  

odinsposse: I just don't get the opposition to Plan B pills and the like. They prevent pregnancy. It's no more an abortion than condoms or masturbation.


Women who enjoy sex are sluts, and God punishes them by giving them babies. Religious types just don't want to interfere in God's plan.
 
2012-12-27 12:28:49 PM  

odinsposse: I just don't get the opposition to Plan B pills and the like. They prevent pregnancy. It's no more an abortion than condoms or masturbation.

Of course I also don't get why employers feel their personal religious views should dictate how their employees make their medical decisions either.

In short this story is absolutely full of incomprehensible stupidity.


The long and short of it is this: To their eyes, sex is a sin and should be avoided and anything that makes sex less dangerous, less taboo, less scary and less unpleasant is equally a sin.

Contraception allows people to have sex without fear of pregnancy, one of the big fears of sex. Therefore, it's an evil thing.

In short, people who think like this are Puritans and prudes and utterly, completely ridiculously stupid.
 
2012-12-27 12:29:21 PM  

roadmarks: MugzyBrown: Yes, not paying for somebody else's birth control pills is exactly like Sharia Law.

Demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs IS exactly like Sharia Law.

Of course expecting that someone stupid enough to make the argument you did to follow that was probably dumbass on my part.


But I will try: Regulating what insurance companies offer =/= demanding anyone pay for anyone's birth control.
Expecting prescriptions I require for health reasons to be covered by insurance that is part of my compensation =/= anyone giving me free shiat, or me expecting the same.


Wouldn't "demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs" mean firing female employees who use birth control, rather than simply asking that they provide for their contraceptive care on their own dime?
 
2012-12-27 12:29:27 PM  

MugzyBrown: Yes, not paying for somebody else's birth control pills is exactly like Sharia Law.


you don't really understand how employer health insurance works do you? Employees pay for a portion and employers pay for a portion of the insurance. In this case, the employer wants to henpeck which prescriptions (in some cases medically necessary) that they want the insurance to pay for based on what religion the founders of the company practices. So unsatisfied with applying religious doctrine to their personal lives, the owner would like to enforce his beliefs on his employees.
 
2012-12-27 12:29:34 PM  

what_now: mayIFark: So, who the dumbass tag for subby?

The people who think their imaginary friend should get to make life choices for their employees.

/Not Subby


I am OK with that, just wanted to make sure it was not directed toward the SCOTUS (for this case).
 
2012-12-27 12:29:36 PM  
Hobby Lobby, eh?
Looks like I'll be sticking to Michael's for my crafting needs.
 
2012-12-27 12:30:19 PM  
Government needs to stay out of the bedroom... unless it is delivering contraception paid for by people who are religiously against contraception....because of freedom of religion, got it.
 
2012-12-27 12:30:28 PM  

another cultural observer: roadmarks: MugzyBrown: Yes, not paying for somebody else's birth control pills is exactly like Sharia Law.

Demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs IS exactly like Sharia Law.

Of course expecting that someone stupid enough to make the argument you did to follow that was probably dumbass on my part.


But I will try: Regulating what insurance companies offer =/= demanding anyone pay for anyone's birth control.
Expecting prescriptions I require for health reasons to be covered by insurance that is part of my compensation =/= anyone giving me free shiat, or me expecting the same.

Wouldn't "demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs" mean firing female employees who use birth control, rather than simply asking that they provide for their contraceptive care on their own dime?


It'd be another example of it, but it'd not be precluding the first example, no.
 
2012-12-27 12:31:25 PM  

roadmarks: MugzyBrown: Yes, not paying for somebody else's birth control pills is exactly like Sharia Law.

Demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs IS exactly like Sharia Law.

Of course expecting that someone stupid enough to make the argument you did to follow that was probably dumbass on my part.


But I will try: Regulating what insurance companies offer =/= demanding anyone pay for anyone's birth control.
Expecting prescriptions I require for health reasons to be covered by insurance that is part of my compensation =/= anyone giving me free shiat, or me expecting the same.


And of course, let's go down the line:
Mandating that insurance companies cover pregnancy is just forcing me to pay for you sleeping with your whore of a wife. Them covering cancer is just forcing me to pay for your smoking. Covering skin cancer is forcing me to pay for you to go to the beach. Hell, ANY STD treatments being covered is morally wrong!

And never mind fat people and their related health problems.
 
2012-12-27 12:31:28 PM  

Tyee: Government needs to stay out of the bedroom... unless it is delivering contraception paid for by people who are religiously against contraception....because of freedom of religion, got it.


I'm religiously against paying taxes. Now, where do I sign up for my exemptions?
 
2012-12-27 12:32:27 PM  
I'm guessing prescriptions for Viagra are still A-OK with their religious beliefs.
 
2012-12-27 12:32:35 PM  

OneTimed: I understand the moral objection to abortion. I don't agree with it at all, but I can at least see where pro-birth crowd comes from.

I do not understand the moral objection to birth control. And people who hold both these beliefs simultaneously need not be taken seriously.


Here's a handy instructional video explaining the reasoning.
 
2012-12-27 12:33:22 PM  

Infernalist: another cultural observer: roadmarks: MugzyBrown: Yes, not paying for somebody else's birth control pills is exactly like Sharia Law.

Demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs IS exactly like Sharia Law.

Of course expecting that someone stupid enough to make the argument you did to follow that was probably dumbass on my part.


But I will try: Regulating what insurance companies offer =/= demanding anyone pay for anyone's birth control.
Expecting prescriptions I require for health reasons to be covered by insurance that is part of my compensation =/= anyone giving me free shiat, or me expecting the same.

Wouldn't "demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs" mean firing female employees who use birth control, rather than simply asking that they provide for their contraceptive care on their own dime?

It'd be another example of it, but it'd not be precluding the first example, no.


I'm fine with mandatory birth control. I think we've just got different conceptions of what "demanding" is. And that's ok, too.
 
2012-12-27 12:34:03 PM  

Tyee: Government needs to stay out of the bedroom... unless it is delivering contraception paid for by people who are religiously against contraception....because of freedom of religion, got it.


Since you apparently haven't been paying attention to politics for  the last four years, government isn't delivering anything.  It is mandating that people purchase private insurance.
 
2012-12-27 12:34:33 PM  
 
2012-12-27 12:36:13 PM  

another cultural observer: Wouldn't "demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs" mean firing female employees who use birth control, rather than simply asking that they provide for their contraceptive care on their own dime?


They're paying for their insurance and any co-pays already. They already ARE paying for it under their own dime.

And contraceptive coverage lowers your insurance rates, not raises it.

Also, I'm SURE you're just as offended that Viagra is covered, right?
 
2012-12-27 12:36:18 PM  

The Green Manalishi: odinsposse: I just don't get the opposition to Plan B pills and the like. They prevent pregnancy. It's no more an abortion than condoms or masturbation.

Women who enjoy sex are sluts, and God punishes them by giving them babies. Religious types just don't want to interfere in God's plan.


THIS.
 
2012-12-27 12:36:19 PM  
I didn't see anything in TFA about forcing workers to not use contraception.
 
2012-12-27 12:36:22 PM  
I demand that the insurance I choose for my employees does not cover large objects that have become stuck in rectums being removed, as that's a consequence of non-Jesus based sex-play.

Also, no coverage for infected piercings.

Also no coverage for seafood poisoning.

Also, no coverage for injuries occurring on the Sabbath, as those people should have been resting.
 
2012-12-27 12:36:36 PM  

Infernalist: odinsposse: I just don't get the opposition to Plan B pills and the like. They prevent pregnancy. It's no more an abortion than condoms or masturbation.

Of course I also don't get why employers feel their personal religious views should dictate how their employees make their medical decisions either.

In short this story is absolutely full of incomprehensible stupidity.

The long and short of it is this: To their eyes, sex is a sin and should be avoided and anything that makes sex less dangerous, less taboo, less scary and less unpleasant is equally a sin.

Contraception allows people to have sex without fear of pregnancy, one of the big fears of sex. Therefore, it's an evil thing.

In short, people who think like this are Puritans and prudes and utterly, completely ridiculously stupid.


Exactly so. Remember, these are the very same people who oppose the HPV vaccine, and for the exact same reasons.
Doctors: "Hey, we just invented a vaccine for HPV - a sexually transmitted disease which causes sterility-inducing cancer in women!"
Fundamentalists: "AAAHHH! Fear of cancer was the one thing stopping our girls from becoming whores! OUTLAW THE RETARDATION CAUSING DRUG NOW!!!!"
 
2012-12-27 12:36:37 PM  

OneTimed: I understand the moral objection to abortion. I don't agree with it at all, but I can at least see where pro-birth crowd comes from.

I do not understand the moral objection to birth control. And people who hold both these beliefs simultaneously need not be taken seriously.


my guess is it breaks down to this. Sex should only be used to procreate. The pill and condems prevent that, so they are bad.

It's a control thing. The church, any church wants to control it's followers. In every aspect of their life. Someone my wife works with just had a baby. She has been denying that she was pregnant for the past 8 or so months. When she gave birth, she acted all surprised, like she didn't know. The problem is that she is very religious and her is recently married. (Got knocked up before the ring and all that). So, instead of just keeping her legs closed, she messed around without birth control and well, nature happened.

These people are mental, in every way. The US needs better mental health support, need to start with the religious extremist types. Regular folks that go to church and don't bother anyone else, I can handle.
 
2012-12-27 12:38:46 PM  

Bungles: I demand that the insurance I choose for my employees does not cover large objects that have become stuck in rectums being removed, as that's a consequence of non-Jesus based sex-play.

Also, no coverage for infected piercings.

Also no coverage for seafood poisoning.

Also, no coverage for injuries occurring on the Sabbath, as those people should have been resting.


wouldn't that be no coverage for piercings and picking up the tab for lobster dinner? I haven't seen anyone complain about having to provide maternity care to unmarried people, have you?
 
2012-12-27 12:38:52 PM  

odinsposse: I just don't get the opposition to Plan B pills and the like. They prevent pregnancy. It's no more an abortion than condoms or masturbation.


Not quite true. They can take effect after the sperm and egg are joined and therefore be considered a chemical abortion rather than a contraceptive.
 
2012-12-27 12:41:04 PM  
Employers will find that the compensation they give their employees may be used for something they disagree with, but they'll get over it sooner or later.
 
2012-12-27 12:41:36 PM  

another cultural observer: roadmarks: MugzyBrown: Yes, not paying for somebody else's birth control pills is exactly like Sharia Law.

Demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs IS exactly like Sharia Law.

Of course expecting that someone stupid enough to make the argument you did to follow that was probably dumbass on my part.


But I will try: Regulating what insurance companies offer =/= demanding anyone pay for anyone's birth control.
Expecting prescriptions I require for health reasons to be covered by insurance that is part of my compensation =/= anyone giving me free shiat, or me expecting the same.

Wouldn't "demanding your employees follow your religious beliefs" mean firing female employees who use birth control, rather than simply asking that they provide for their contraceptive care on their own dime?


Firing them would certainly qualify, yes. But the insurance coverage is part of MY compensation - I am already paying for it, or at least part of it. It is already my dime, they are just trying to tell me that I can't use the dime in my left pocket (because lefties are of the devil) and instead they are going to tell me I have to use the quarter in my other pocket.

If they don't want to provide insurance coverage at all, that is their business, and they can deal with the consequences of that decision. I would demand a much higher salary since I wouldn't have the group leverage that they have with the insurance companies for the rates I would have to pay, but it is still something that I have earned and paid into and would expect to get the coverage I needed out of it.
 
2012-12-27 12:42:08 PM  
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Help! I'm being oppressed!
 
2012-12-27 12:42:08 PM  
Christian values? Do you mean Love, Peace, and Tolerance? Or that other garbage some arseholes try to foise on people?
 
2012-12-27 12:42:51 PM  
I wanted Espinoza to put some sparkly things on our tree, but she couldn't because she was having her sixth unwanted child. So I fired Espinoza and hired Xiuan Xian. I'm a job creator. fark you.
My sister and her husband actually believe things like this.
 
2012-12-27 12:43:29 PM  
Why would I want to work for a company that wants to have such intimate control over my vagina?

/if I had a vagina
 
2012-12-27 12:43:44 PM  

chuggernaught: Christian values? Do you mean Love, Peace, and Tolerance? Or that other garbage some arseholes try to foise on people?


Christians are good, honest, generous people. Christianity is a blight upon humanity.

These two statements are not contradictory.
 
2012-12-27 12:44:55 PM  
I suspect my employees use the salaries I pay them to buy alcohol and pork in violation of my Islamic faith.  The requirement that I pay them money for the work they perform violates my first amendment rights.
 
2012-12-27 12:46:12 PM  

gilgigamesh: It is mandating that people purchase private insurance.


Insurance = contraception?
 
2012-12-27 12:46:42 PM  
Don't like birth control, don't take it. Just because your insurance covers it does not mean you need to buy it.

//I still cannot figure out what the argument would be. My insurance covers female pelvic exams but my dick keeps getting the way.
 
2012-12-27 12:47:28 PM  

lemurs: Employers will find that the compensation they give their employees may be used for something they disagree with, but they'll get over it sooner or later.


This isn't a matter of merely making the option for contraception coverage available. The employer MUST give the employee coverage for contraception and MUST pay for any increases in premiums and MUST cover all copays of that prescription contraception.

I don't see why the law can't just state that coverage for BC must be an option that the employee is given with whatever additional costs incurred as a result being paid in full by the employee, employer or split at the employer's discretion.
 
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