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2012-12-27 12:36:10 PM
I'm still worried about Ecks vs. Sever.
 
2012-12-27 02:25:17 PM
I'm concerned about hemorrhoids vs. my ass
 
2012-12-27 02:58:39 PM
I'm worried about the continuing war of T vs. A.
 
2012-12-27 02:59:00 PM
I'm still a bit worried about my-penis vs. your-mom's-gag-reflex.
 
2012-12-27 02:59:15 PM
I'm worried about Spy vs Spy.
upload.wikimedia.org

/yes, old as *fark*
 
2012-12-27 02:59:25 PM
Not gonna happen. Both countries have economies at stake. Both countries are generally adult and rational. Neither country is run by religous nutbags.
 
2012-12-27 02:59:51 PM
Well, as it's still 2012, I guess I'm worrying about the right thing, if only for a few days more.
 
2012-12-27 03:01:41 PM
I'm still concerned about the centipedes vs. your Mom's Vagina SUBBY
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-27 03:01:41 PM
Professor: Don't Be Surprised If There's A War Between Japan And China In The Next Year

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2012-12-27 03:01:52 PM
Was the "unlikely" tag on break?
 
2012-12-27 03:05:00 PM
China is saber-rattling to show that its new class of top officials is strong and totally not taking any shiat. Standard procedure, and the Diaoyu/Senkaku conflict is not at all new.

There's also the bonus opportunity to get the populace all grudge-pissed at Japan instead of issues closer to home.
 
2012-12-27 03:10:11 PM
Antici.....

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...pation.
 
2012-12-27 03:12:22 PM
The US and China are intrinsically tied to each other. In war, one loses its market for goods and the other loses its market for bonds and cheap labor.

Plus, China has been poking the Phillipines and Vietnam and they have issues with India too. The Phillipines and India are our strong allies. India is nuclear armed and building a navy to rival China's. And Vietnam is growing closer to the US through business. China would find themselves in a multi-theater war.
 
2012-12-27 03:13:06 PM
conceptart.org

We don't need to get involved, and while it may temporarily cause price hikes in consumer goods, it will help drive manufacturing to the USA.
 
2012-12-27 03:16:28 PM
There would never be an open war between us and China. That would be like shooting your Banker because he kicked your neighbors dog. Most likely we could see this possibly become a proxy war in the next 5 years, and would be more about China testing their military arms against ours than any span of rocky islands no one would ever live on.

Unless....

They find oil there, and then we're farked.
 
2012-12-27 03:18:11 PM
Not sure how to react. How many white people will be affected by this?
 
2012-12-27 03:18:40 PM
What's that? Tensions between China and Japan? Well, I guess you read something old every day...
 
2012-12-27 03:19:39 PM

simusid: Not gonna happen. Both countries have economies at stake. Both countries are generally adult and rational. Neither country is run by religous nutbags.


The US and Soviets had spats during the Cold War through Proxy Wars. In this instance Japan is the US-proxy. Who is China's?
 
2012-12-27 03:23:55 PM

simusid: Not gonna happen. Both countries have economies at stake. Both countries are generally adult and rational. Neither country is run by religous nutbags.



I would argue that Asian Nationalism comes pretty close to Religious Nutbagism.

That Chinese Aircraft carrier just came online. Their GPS system just became available to civilian use. They just had a new junta installed public elections for the new Communist Party. There is going to be increase saber rattling in 2013, have no doubt.
 
2012-12-27 03:24:27 PM
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
 
2012-12-27 03:24:54 PM

I Like Shiny Things: Not sure how to react. How many white people will be affected by this?


The price of ipods will go up

www.beyondshynessandsocialanxiety.com
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2012-12-27 03:25:03 PM
Sheeh, who has Syria for Christmas?

/Turkey FTW!
//What?
 
2012-12-27 03:25:07 PM
Remember when everyone pretended to care about Iran for a few days? Good times.

/Which side are we taking?
//What color is everyone on twitter changing their icons too?
 
2012-12-27 03:25:58 PM

netweavr: simusid: Not gonna happen. Both countries have economies at stake. Both countries are generally adult and rational. Neither country is run by religous nutbags.

The US and Soviets had spats during the Cold War through Proxy Wars. In this instance Japan is the US-proxy. Who is China's?


China will chose North Korea, and let the carnage begin! Some how I think South Korea becomes the loser in all this though..
 
2012-12-27 03:31:35 PM

simusid: Not gonna happen. Both countries have economies at stake. Both countries are generally adult and rational. Neither country is run by religous nutbags.


Right, the US has managed to keep their nut bags contained to control of the House, and enough votes to filibuster in the Senate.

/Good thing Comunisim isn't treated like a religion in China.
 
2012-12-27 03:43:45 PM
There is oil in the Spratleys, not to far away
 
2012-12-27 03:43:48 PM

simusid: Not gonna happen. Both countries have economies at stake. Both countries are generally adult and rational. Neither country is run by religous nutbags.


Not at the moment. But historically full of warmongering dictators, which is a nice alternative.
 
2012-12-27 03:44:38 PM
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oblig.
 
2012-12-27 03:45:49 PM

ChipNASA: I'm still concerned about the centipedes vs. your Mom's Vagina SUBBY


Might be her defense mechanism now from the last time you two got together. :)
 
2012-12-27 03:46:21 PM
Since most of our stuff comes from either Japan or China the US will be heavily involved making sure a war doesn't happen otherwise we're boned.
 
2012-12-27 03:48:06 PM
I've bee

simusid: Not gonna happen. Both countries have economies at stake. Both countries are generally adult and rational. Neither country is run by religous nutbags.


The same could be said about the nations that started WW1, WW2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and so many, many others.

Japan just elected a conservative government that has pledged to go to the wall for these insignificant islands. The Chinese government has said mostly the same. China's PR machine has been ramping up attacks on Japan for months now. Because of this, Japanese businesses in China have suffered a great many protests, some violent. Some Japanese business have been destroyed. The market for Japanese goods in China is evaporating, the opposite is also starting to happen in Japan.

It's getting to the point where neither nation will be able to back down without losing a lot of face. All it will take is one errant shot from one boat or plane to spin this into a major war. If China attacks Japan, we're in - ALL IN.

So while there may only be a small chance of this happening, it's a real possibility. I'd put the odds at somewhere between 1 in 50 to 1 in 100. Not high odds, but significant enough to start basing stealth bombers and fighters in Guam? Clearly.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/12/pentagon-preps-stealth-force /
 
2012-12-27 03:54:48 PM

Fear the Clam: [conceptart.org image 379x214]

We don't need to get involved, and while it may temporarily cause price hikes in consumer goods, it will help drive manufacturing to the USA.


We have treaties with Japan, and should something happen, we _would_ get drawn in, like it or not. It would still be a boon to manufacturing in the US, but mostly to the defense sector :\
 
2012-12-27 04:00:46 PM

BlackCat23: Fear the Clam: [conceptart.org image 379x214]

We don't need to get involved, and while it may temporarily cause price hikes in consumer goods, it will help drive manufacturing to the USA.

We have treaties with Japan, and should something happen, we _would_ get drawn in, like it or not. It would still be a boon to manufacturing in the US, but mostly to the defense sector :\


Chuck Hagel SecDef says 'Just say no to war'. No wars for us. We are not getting drawn in.....
 
2012-12-27 04:10:32 PM

Fear the Clam: We don't need to get involved, and while it may temporarily cause price hikes in consumer goods, it will help drive manufacturing to the USA.


You are clueless. Japan and the USA are allies, and they have this treaty of mutual cooperation and security which forces each party to assist in case of an armed attack on territories under Japanese administration.
 
2012-12-27 04:14:43 PM

BlackCat23: We have treaties with Japan, and should something happen, we _would_ get drawn in, like it or not.


Absolutely. We will go to the wall for Japan. There are treaties. If we left Japan to fight it alone, no nation on earth would trust us. That trust, those mutual defense treaties buy the US immense amounts of power across the world. If China attacks Japan, they are attacking the US. The Chinese know it, the Japanese know it, and every US citizen should know it. You don't have to like it, but that's the score.

Similar pacts existed prior to both world wars. Everyone knew that a war would envelop the region, that it would be a massive disaster. The leaders of the time weren't stupid, but they couldn't stop those slow motion disasters. Japan and China are dancing to that same tune right now. If it happens, a disaster for all involved. Still, things will go where they go. Random events occur, governments set up lines in the sand that once crossed can quickly trip a region into war.

/What the fark would WalMart put on their shelves without their container ships full of Chinese crap?
 
2012-12-27 04:23:19 PM

RandomRandom: BlackCat23: We have treaties with Japan, and should something happen, we _would_ get drawn in, like it or not.

Absolutely. We will go to the wall for Japan. There are treaties. If we left Japan to fight it alone, no nation on earth would trust us. That trust, those mutual defense treaties buy the US immense amounts of power across the world. If China attacks Japan, they are attacking the US. The Chinese know it, the Japanese know it, and every US citizen should know it. You don't have to like it, but that's the score.

Similar pacts existed prior to both world wars. Everyone knew that a war would envelop the region, that it would be a massive disaster. The leaders of the time weren't stupid, but they couldn't stop those slow motion disasters. Japan and China are dancing to that same tune right now. If it happens, a disaster for all involved. Still, things will go where they go. Random events occur, governments set up lines in the sand that once crossed can quickly trip a region into war.

/What the fark would WalMart put on their shelves without their container ships full of Chinese crap?


I only wish others would reason that. I don't like it, myself, but I'm quite aware of what would occur should those two national go to war.

That said, this is the biggest reason that nothing is likely to happen, at least to the extent of going to 'war'. I'm sure the sabers will rattle for days,
 
2012-12-27 04:33:52 PM

Canton: What's that? Tensions between China and Japan? Well, I guess you read something old every day...


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2012-12-27 04:38:32 PM

genner: The price of ipods will go up


If there were war, there wouldn't be any - ANY - Apple products on the shelves.

Apple's current CEO was the driving force that moved all of Apple's manufacturing to China. If there is war, they'd be farked far worse than WalMart. It just seems like everything on WalMart's shelves comes from China. Everything on an Apple store's shelves actually does come from China.

So yes, Apple, WalMart, Target, Amazon, and a huge slew of other US companies would do everything they could to stop the US from getting involved in such a war. They would not succeed. They don't have have the juice in either China or Japan, and it's those nations that will decide this.

These mutual defense treaties are bigger than all of those companies combined. They are what make the US powerful. If there is a war, Apple and WalMart will just have to suck it up and start the slow road to building new factories in other parts of the world. They have enough cash to survive it.
 
2012-12-27 04:54:34 PM

RandomRandom: I've beesimusid: Not gonna happen. Both countries have economies at stake. Both countries are generally adult and rational. Neither country is run by religous nutbags.

The same could be said about the nations that started WW1, WW2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and so many, many others.

Japan just elected a conservative government that has pledged to go to the wall for these insignificant islands. The Chinese government has said mostly the same. China's PR machine has been ramping up attacks on Japan for months now. Because of this, Japanese businesses in China have suffered a great many protests, some violent. Some Japanese business have been destroyed. The market for Japanese goods in China is evaporating, the opposite is also starting to happen in Japan.

It's getting to the point where neither nation will be able to back down without losing a lot of face. All it will take is one errant shot from one boat or plane to spin this into a major war. If China attacks Japan, we're in - ALL IN.

So while there may only be a small chance of this happening, it's a real possibility. I'd put the odds at somewhere between 1 in 50 to 1 in 100. Not high odds, but significant enough to start basing stealth bombers and fighters in Guam? Clearly.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/12/pentagon-preps-stealth-force /


IIRC, many of the rich & powerful people thought that it was really unlikely that Germany & the UK would ever go to war prior to 1914. Too many intertwined business interests and investments would be irreparably damaged by such a thing...

/ hope the sabre-rattling dies down...
 
2012-12-27 05:19:37 PM
I think it is more on the side of unlikely. If China was to go to war with Japan the USA would have to become involved unless we break our treaty which is unlikely since we have a large number of bases in Japan which would be attacked. When the USA becomes involved it is likely trade would be cut off with the USA and Western Europe and our debt would be erased which would devastate the Chinese economy likely to the point of them no longer being able to wage war. I would think China knows all of this and is just rattling the saber. I don't even think China would risk a small engagement over the islands.
 
2012-12-27 05:26:19 PM

cfroelic: We've always been at war with Eastasia.


And we're done.
 
2012-12-27 05:54:27 PM
I'll take the United States Navy for $500, Alex.

We haven't had a good fight in 70 years, we can use the practice.
 
2012-12-27 05:59:52 PM
If only we had a device that would make those islands radioactive so no one would want them.
 
2012-12-27 06:18:12 PM
Zerg vs Protoss and Terran.
 
2012-12-27 06:29:01 PM

RandomRandom: Japan just elected a conservative government that has pledged to go to the wall for these insignificant islands


I thought there was supposed to be a lot of oil (or something) around the islands.
 
2012-12-27 06:44:46 PM
love the denial in this thread, lets look at things from a business point of view.

made in china
made in japan

who stands to profit if one obliterates the other?

well neither actually because the biggest buyer of there shiat islike 15 trillion in debt, and a large part of that debt was... anyone...???? BOUGHT BY CHINA!

USA. "well we could pay you back i suppose, or we could tell you to fark yourself, what are you gonna do, send us to debtrs prison?"

look peeps, its time to pull your heads out of your asses, the world is in shambles, major economic waves, radioactive waste in one ocean, huge oil spill in the other, religious conflict.

right now your all acting like that drunk girl i saw on youtube drinking beer on that flimsy tin window shade.

Boyfriend with video camera "its only a matter of time till you fall"

girlfriend: no i wont, *slirp*

THUD.

wake up and acknowledge the scary world we live in, shiat... did you see or look into the last leaders of japan, they WHERE farkING NUTS, they where actually part of some weird japanese belief/cult that makes tom cruise and Scientology look legit by comparison.

lol
 
2012-12-27 08:25:31 PM
Mraudacia, if you want anyone to listen to your ramblings, try calming down first and then organizing your thoughts into something a little more coherent.
 
2012-12-27 08:36:48 PM
At first it really does look like we are heading for a big repeat of the issues that started the 35 year cycle of war that included WWI and WWII, Spanish Civil War, Japanese Invasion Korea, Manchuria, and China. 2013 - 2014 would be the 100th anniversary of these events.
Unrest in the Mid-east, decline of the Ottoman Empire, European trade alliances faltering due to recession, nationalistic parties gaining influence and in some cases gaining direct representation in the government. Xenophobic rhetoric, territorial boundary disputes, etc. etc.

However, today, the losses vs the gains for full scale eruption of war are entirely too steep for any country today. China has spent quadrillions of yuan over the last 30 years developing their country, courting outside investment, technical capacity, developing infrastructure, etc. They aren't going to lose it all in 5 days time "playing war" against Japan and America, for some fishing territory, that any simple diplomatic agreement regarding number of fishing ships that could be active in the disputed region and some really simple monitoring could solve without loss of face for either side.

Greece is stabilizing its currency, Italy just patched up their financial holes, the EU isn't going to collapse, it will just be anemic for a couple more years.

Energy is the cause for all of this muscling about today. We've gotten over food, colonialism and population concerns in the past. Now we need to move past the energy issues.

The US could lead the way, if we could stop the need for underground energy resources, and the technology exists for us to do the full conversion in 12 years.
350 Municipal waste treatment facilities, most of the infrastructure would only need to be upgraded, not created from scratch
350 Oil Refineries
350 1 Square Mile by 100ft Deep Water Resevoirs
675 sites with 100 7.5MW Wind Towers
10,000 miles of connecting wires to the 350 Municipal waste treatment Facilities
350 power plants converted from burning methane CH4 to Hydrogen and Oxygen H2 and O2.
3,500 miles by 100ft wide of 44% efficient solar cells following I-40 across the country

That's it. That's all it would take to solve the US energy dilemmna forever and build up years of energy reserves in the process.

By 2025, the whole world could be converted, and most of the drama in the world would calm down entirely.
 
2012-12-27 08:56:27 PM

Fear the Clam: it will help drive manufacturing to the USA.


What planet are YOU living on?
 
2012-12-27 09:15:39 PM
Can you imagine the nubile Chinese women being ravaged by the Japanese tentacled rapebots?

/Probably very inappropriate considering WWII, but I'll let it stand.
 
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