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(UPI)   The Utah Shooting Sports Council said it is holding a free class on concealed carry permits for those working in the education system. And so it begins   (upi.com) divider line 163
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2012-12-27 10:04:31 AM  
So the problem is that we've taken god out of our schools and this problem can be solved by adding guns?
 
2012-12-27 10:11:00 AM  
So, the big plan is to turn the United States into Somalia?
 
2012-12-27 10:15:38 AM  

gaslight: So, the big plan is to turn the United States into Somalia?


Pirates are in right now.
 
2012-12-27 01:20:09 PM  

gaslight: So, the big plan is to turn the United States into Somalia?


The drug war has turned the United States into Somalia.  Drugs and their sale are the motive for the vast majority of interpersonal shootings.  Addiction to drugs is one of the main motivators for gun suicides.
 
2012-12-27 04:35:31 PM  
So a private organization is holding a free firearms safety class and you retards have a problem with that? Would you rather the teachers get the permit and not take the class?
 
2012-12-27 05:34:43 PM  
Utah allows school employees to carry firearms in schools. # of people killed in school shootings: 0

Connecticut does not allow school employees to carry firearms into schools. # of people killed in school shootings: 26

Enough said
 
2012-12-27 06:02:37 PM  

dustman81: Utah allows school employees to carry firearms in schools. # of people killed in school shootings: 0


Well, if you want to get technical...

November 29, 2012: In Taylorsville, Utah, David Phan, 14, shot himself in front of other students.
 
2012-12-27 06:10:28 PM  
Because crossfire from ill-trained teachers is definitely the way to go.

/Utahn
//I hate my state sometimes.
 
2012-12-27 06:10:58 PM  
Utah CHL instructors having been giving free or heavily discounted classes to teachers and school staff for years. Nothing new.
 
2012-12-27 06:11:17 PM  
Utah.
Rhymes with YEE-HAW!!
 
2012-12-27 06:12:00 PM  

fusillade762: Well, if you want to get technical...

November 29, 2012: In Taylorsville, Utah, David Phan, 14, shot himself in front of other students.


Didn't happen on school property.
 
2012-12-27 06:13:15 PM  
Cool!
 
2012-12-27 06:13:27 PM  
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2012-12-27 06:13:50 PM  

unamused: gaslight: So, the big plan is to turn the United States into Somalia?

The drug war has turned the United States into Somalia.  Drugs and their sale are the motive for the vast majority of interpersonal shootings.  Addiction to drugs is one of the main motivators for gun suicides.


The former seems fairly logical and the latter is not something I have read, but is still unsurprising.
 
2012-12-27 06:18:33 PM  
Xmas conversation with HS friend:

Him: "They should be able to carry guns to protect their students!"

Me: "I want you to think very hard about our high school teachers and if you would have felt safe if they were armed."

Him "Oh shait no!"
 
2012-12-27 06:18:50 PM  
i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-27 06:18:56 PM  
I support hunting rights etc. That said, what I don't understand is that certain individuals don't trust teachers to unionize, but want to give a teacher a gun and suddenly--*pooof*--he or she is a expert marksman who can thwart some psycho who has the element of surprise? Sounds like a bunch of hooey
 
2012-12-27 06:19:21 PM  

duffblue: So a private organization is holding a free firearms safety class and you retards have a problem with that? Would you rather the teachers get the permit and not take the class?


Here's my question. Are they going to teach anything worthwhile in this class, or is it going to be "Here's your basic rules of firearm safety. Got it? Good. Here's what happens if you shoot the wrong guy. Got it? Good. Here's your permit - don't shoot the wrong guy."?

I think if you want to carry concealed, there should be some kind of proficiency requirement (just so we know that you're not sending 80-90% of your ammo anywhere but the intended target) and a large chunk of what should be a multi-day class is spent teaching how to make pulling the gun the ABSOLUTE last thing you want to do.
 
2012-12-27 06:21:21 PM  

Click Click D'oh: fusillade762: Well, if you want to get technical...

November 29, 2012: In Taylorsville, Utah, David Phan, 14, shot himself in front of other students.

Didn't happen on school property.


He's still an hero to me!
 
2012-12-27 06:23:31 PM  
Only the rich, the well connected, celebrities, media stars, and politicians should have armed guards protecting their childrens in their private schools.

To allow police or armed teachers (who can't be trusted as we all know) to keep watch in public schools would simply be madness!
 
2012-12-27 06:26:37 PM  

Clutch2013: duffblue: So a private organization is holding a free firearms safety class and you retards have a problem with that? Would you rather the teachers get the permit and not take the class?

Here's my question. Are they going to teach anything worthwhile in this class, or is it going to be "Here's your basic rules of firearm safety. Got it? Good. Here's what happens if you shoot the wrong guy. Got it? Good. Here's your permit - don't shoot the wrong guy."?

I think if you want to carry concealed, there should be some kind of proficiency requirement (just so we know that you're not sending 80-90% of your ammo anywhere but the intended target) and a large chunk of what should be a multi-day class is spent teaching how to make pulling the gun the ABSOLUTE last thing you want to do.


Good call. It's required to drive, so why not for guns?

politech: Only the rich, the well connected, celebrities, media stars, and politicians should have armed guards protecting their childrens in their private schools.

To allow police or armed teachers (who can't be trusted as we all know) to keep watch in public schools would simply be madness!


The adults are talking. Please be quiet.
 
2012-12-27 06:26:52 PM  
1. Everyone who claims that they "don't want a ban on guns, just some common sense rules in place" seems to think requiring training is the #1 priority. This is "training".
2. The group that is all over the "pro-teacher" support platform now thinks that training teachers in firearms safety is bad. They usually list "crazy teachers" as an example.
3. This isn't a state/county/city thing. It's a private company.
 
2012-12-27 06:27:12 PM  

Bontesla: So the problem is that we've taken god out of our schools and this problem can be solved by adding guns?

Way to conflate the statements of different people.

Libtards: how do they work?
 
2012-12-27 06:27:22 PM  
Do these classes demonstrate the correct way to pistol whip a mouthy teen?
 
2012-12-27 06:27:54 PM  

politech: Only the rich, the well connected, celebrities, media stars, and politicians should have armed guards protecting their childrens in their private schools.

To allow police or armed teachers (who can't be trusted as we all know) to keep watch in public schools would simply be madness!


Madness? This is Utah!
 
2012-12-27 06:28:16 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-27 06:28:47 PM  

fusillade762: dustman81: Utah allows school employees to carry firearms in schools. # of people killed in school shootings: 0

Well, if you want to get technical...

November 29, 2012: In Taylorsville, Utah, David Phan, 14, shot himself in front of other students.


Wow, I missed that one. A little over a mile south of me and about half a mile east. I really need to start watching local news again.
 
2012-12-27 06:30:18 PM  
Why not make our schools more difficult to enter? It seems as if everyone is following the mainstream media's controversy brew and ignoring the basics. The first line of any good security plan is limit of physical access.

Instead, everyone's pissing themselves over who's right & wrong and our kids are no more secure than they were two weeks ago.

Let's not forget the 1927 killing of 38 students when an Illionois man blew up the school over increased taxes. Did he have an evil looking assault rifle? Nope. He had a few hundred pounds of dynamite and ACCESS.
 
2012-12-27 06:31:34 PM  

fappomatic: Why not make our schools more difficult to enter? It seems as if everyone is following the mainstream media's controversy brew and ignoring the basics. The first line of any good security plan is limit of physical access.

Instead, everyone's pissing themselves over who's right & wrong and our kids are no more secure than they were two weeks ago.

Let's not forget the 1927 killing of 38 students when an Illionois man blew up the school over increased taxes. Did he have an evil looking assault rifle? Nope. He had a few hundred pounds of dynamite and ACCESS.


I mean, yeah. It's not like these sorts of things are occurring more often lately....nope, not at all. Apples and oranges, my friend.
 
2012-12-27 06:31:42 PM  

pxlboy: Clutch2013: duffblue: So a private organization is holding a free firearms safety class and you retards have a problem with that? Would you rather the teachers get the permit and not take the class?

Here's my question. Are they going to teach anything worthwhile in this class, or is it going to be "Here's your basic rules of firearm safety. Got it? Good. Here's what happens if you shoot the wrong guy. Got it? Good. Here's your permit - don't shoot the wrong guy."?

I think if you want to carry concealed, there should be some kind of proficiency requirement (just so we know that you're not sending 80-90% of your ammo anywhere but the intended target) and a large chunk of what should be a multi-day class is spent teaching how to make pulling the gun the ABSOLUTE last thing you want to do.

Good call. It's required to drive, so why not for guns?

politech: Only the rich, the well connected, celebrities, media stars, and politicians should have armed guards protecting their childrens in their private schools.

To allow police or armed teachers (who can't be trusted as we all know) to keep watch in public schools would simply be madness!

The adults are talking. Please be quiet.


Shut up! He explained.

/+2 of 10
 
2012-12-27 06:32:43 PM  

politech: pxlboy: Clutch2013: duffblue: So a private organization is holding a free firearms safety class and you retards have a problem with that? Would you rather the teachers get the permit and not take the class?

Here's my question. Are they going to teach anything worthwhile in this class, or is it going to be "Here's your basic rules of firearm safety. Got it? Good. Here's what happens if you shoot the wrong guy. Got it? Good. Here's your permit - don't shoot the wrong guy."?

I think if you want to carry concealed, there should be some kind of proficiency requirement (just so we know that you're not sending 80-90% of your ammo anywhere but the intended target) and a large chunk of what should be a multi-day class is spent teaching how to make pulling the gun the ABSOLUTE last thing you want to do.

Good call. It's required to drive, so why not for guns?

politech: Only the rich, the well connected, celebrities, media stars, and politicians should have armed guards protecting their childrens in their private schools.

To allow police or armed teachers (who can't be trusted as we all know) to keep watch in public schools would simply be madness!

The adults are talking. Please be quiet.

Shut up! He explained.

/+2 of 10


Methinks my sarcasm detector could use calibration. My apologies.
 
2012-12-27 06:32:44 PM  

Yakk: Xmas conversation with HS friend:

Him: "They should be able to carry guns to protect their students!"

Me: "I want you to think very hard about our high school teachers and if you would have felt safe if they were armed."

Him "Oh shait no!"


That says a great deal about the school system and perhaps touches on the root of the problems.
 
2012-12-27 06:34:20 PM  
Oh joy. Another gun thread.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-27 06:35:25 PM  

fusillade762: dustman81: Utah allows school employees to carry firearms in schools. # of people killed in school shootings: 0

Well, if you want to get technical...

November 29, 2012: In Taylorsville, Utah, David Phan, 14, shot himself in front of other students.


Didn't happen on campus, and he only shot himself
 
2012-12-27 06:35:48 PM  

Clutch2013: duffblue: So a private organization is holding a free firearms safety class and you retards have a problem with that? Would you rather the teachers get the permit and not take the class?

Here's my question. Are they going to teach anything worthwhile in this class, or is it going to be "Here's your basic rules of firearm safety. Got it? Good. Here's what happens if you shoot the wrong guy. Got it? Good. Here's your permit - don't shoot the wrong guy."?

I think if you want to carry concealed, there should be some kind of proficiency requirement (just so we know that you're not sending 80-90% of your ammo anywhere but the intended target) and a large chunk of what should be a multi-day class is spent teaching how to make pulling the gun the ABSOLUTE last thing you want to do.


I did all that back when AZ required an 8 hour class. Now it's either 2 or 4. IN the 8 hour class, we spent more time on legality and safety than anything else, second on proficiency, and the rest on where to conceal, what holsters fit us best, how to safely draw, etc.
 
2012-12-27 06:36:52 PM  
I hope none of my past teachers are anywhere near a gun or any thing that can shoot projectile of any sort. For their safety and others.
 
2012-12-27 06:37:06 PM  

dustman81: Utah allows school employees to carry firearms in schools. # of people killed in school shootings: 0

Connecticut does not allow school employees to carry firearms into schools. # of people killed in school shootings: 26

Enough said


Armed citizens were present at Gabby Giffords shooting and they shat themselves.
fark you you disingenuous sack of shiat
 
2012-12-27 06:38:21 PM  

Orange-Pippin: I support hunting rights etc. That said, what I don't understand is that certain individuals don't trust teachers to unionize, but want to give a teacher a gun and suddenly--*pooof*--he or she is a expert marksman who can thwart some psycho who has the element of surprise? Sounds like a bunch of hooey


Take it a step further. If we had an actual law enforcement officer full time at Sandy Hook how long do you think he would have lasted? Granted he has some good training on his side. But he would have been facing a psycho that already decided he was not going to live through the day armed with far superior fire power that would rip through his limited body armor like butter. Also psychos are not stupid. If they know there is a LEO at a school they are going to kill them first.
 
2012-12-27 06:38:25 PM  

fappomatic: Why not make our schools more difficult to enter? It seems as if everyone is following the mainstream media's controversy brew and ignoring the basics. The first line of any good security plan is limit of physical access.

Instead, everyone's pissing themselves over who's right & wrong and our kids are no more secure than they were two weeks ago.

Let's not forget the 1927 killing of 38 students when an Illionois man blew up the school over increased taxes. Did he have an evil looking assault rifle? Nope. He had a few hundred pounds of dynamite and ACCESS.


Don't even try. It's not worth pointing out that people kill school kids with other weapons. If you bring up all of the China attacks, all the answers either boil down to 'Well, there aren't as many deaths, so it's OK', or 'Wel,, that was in CHINA, and they're just Chinese, so it's OK'. That's all you'll get. They also like to bring up fruit a lot.
 
2012-12-27 06:38:40 PM  
 
2012-12-27 06:42:30 PM  
Good.

Front Sight has been offering this free to up to 3 teachers per school, nationwide for a week+.
 
2012-12-27 06:42:36 PM  
Good. Now the next time some whackjob comes into school with a gun, the teachers will have a way to save lives.
 
2012-12-27 06:42:38 PM  

Mikey1969: 3. This isn't a state/county/city thing.


Arizona's Secretary of State yesterday proposed having each principal or "designated person" in each school in the state authorized to carry a gun.

Link
 
2012-12-27 06:42:48 PM  

Mikey1969: fusillade762: dustman81: Utah allows school employees to carry firearms in schools. # of people killed in school shootings: 0

Well, if you want to get technical...

November 29, 2012: In Taylorsville, Utah, David Phan, 14, shot himself in front of other students.

Wow, I missed that one. A little over a mile south of me and about half a mile east. I really need to start watching local news again.


At a rate of 2-3 per hour, single gun deaths are no longer newsworthy in the USA. If he was more bootstrappy he'd have taken out a few classmates first and made some decent headlines. Mormons do everything half-assed.
 
2012-12-27 06:43:13 PM  

duffblue: So a private organization is holding a free firearms safety class and you retards have a problem with that? Would you rather the teachers get the permit and not take the class?


Yes. Because the same morons shiat on teachers 24/7 'cause Fox said to, now they want to arm them to shoot in a deadly tactical situation.

When the first kid gets killed because some undertrained teacher hit one in a cross fire, idiots like you are going to scream the loudest for their head.

So, it's a dumb idea perpetrated by the same fark wits who wanted to pay teachers minimum last year.
 
2012-12-27 06:43:58 PM  

hasty ambush: Utah has a 94 percent literacy rate
Utah ranks second in the nation with ninety-three percent of twenty-five year olds having graduated high school. Utah also ranks sixteenth in the percentage of residents who hold a 4 year degree.
Utah has the highest percentage of computers per household in the nation.


And the nation's highest rates of internet pornography consumption.
 
2012-12-27 06:44:24 PM  

Orange-Pippin: I support hunting rights etc. That said, what I don't understand is that certain individuals don't trust teachers to unionize, but want to give a teacher a gun and suddenly--*pooof*--he or she is a expert marksman who can thwart some psycho who has the element of surprise? Sounds like a bunch of hooey


Unions, like uteri and plants, are extremely dangerous. Stick to safe things like guns and fracking.
 
2012-12-27 06:44:43 PM  
didn''t read TFA but proud to be a utah'ian citizen!
 
2012-12-27 06:45:16 PM  

trotsky: duffblue: So a private organization is holding a free firearms safety class and you retards have a problem with that? Would you rather the teachers get the permit and not take the class?

Yes. Because the same morons shiat on teachers 24/7 'cause Fox said to, now they want to arm them to shoot in a deadly tactical situation.

When the first kid gets killed because some undertrained teacher hit one in a cross fire, idiots like you are going to scream the loudest for their head.

So, it's a dumb idea perpetrated by the same fark wits who wanted to pay teachers minimum last year.


The teachers at Sandy Hook that were worthless union thugs before the shooting are now saints and martyrs who should be armed.

Yup...*sigh*
 
2012-12-27 06:47:16 PM  
Because 19th century jeebus myth?
 
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