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2012-12-27 09:35:32 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-27 09:49:15 AM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 582x267]


don't see that.  i clicked through to the article without registration
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-27 09:56:18 AM  
Worked fine for me. It's on the wire so searching clemson+turtle will find you other copies.

And I already knew this. Should have put a nail in the turtle.
 
2012-12-27 10:16:41 AM  
You've been warned, Senator McConnell.
 
2012-12-27 10:21:38 AM  

EnviroDude: wambu: [i.imgur.com image 582x267]

don't see that.  i clicked through to the article without registration


Still blocked for me. This link to the story works OK.
 
2012-12-27 10:32:31 AM  
Didn't we have a story about this on Fark months ago?

/or is this a different study with the same results?
 
2012-12-27 10:36:46 AM  
Ah... found it link

/different study, same result
//humans are sadistic
///who knew?
 
2012-12-27 10:40:06 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: //humans are sadistic
///who knew?


Everyone?
 
2012-12-27 10:45:46 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ah... found it link

/different study, same result
//humans are sadistic
///who knew?


You're like the Repeat Enforcer today!
 
2012-12-27 10:53:18 AM  

doglover: Everyone?


Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

Diogenes: You're like the Repeat Enforcer today!


It's not a repeat, it's a different story that observed the same behavior

/a lot of people are turtle-haters
//I blame Mitch McConnell for that
 
2012-12-27 10:54:29 AM  
Never understood this, but i have seen people swerve to run them over.
 
2012-12-27 11:00:21 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem


No, I mean everyone knows humans are sadistic.
 
2012-12-27 11:01:29 AM  

doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

No, I mean everyone knows humans are sadistic.


Ah... sorry. Good point

/need more coffee
 
2012-12-27 11:31:13 AM  
I'd sort of like to understand if every swerve was attributed to an attempt to hurt the turtle. Depending on what was on the right/left of me when I saw it, if I saw a turtle at the last moment, I might try and drive more directly over it where it passed under my car but not in the path of the tires--rather than swerve around it and into an oncoming vehicle in the opposing lane.

I presume that this study differentiated for something like that. I hope it did.
 
2012-12-27 11:40:37 AM  
Just wait until  Great A'Tuin finds out about these people.
 
2012-12-27 11:41:05 AM  
hopefully these people are later hit by cars and have just enough time to think about it before impact.
 
2012-12-27 11:41:32 AM  
Time to put down a rubber turtle with road spikes.
 
2012-12-27 11:42:00 AM  
Won't someone think of the armadillos?
Who stands for them?

/much more sporting, turtles don't run well
 
2012-12-27 11:42:19 AM  
it's revenge on those damn koopa troopers

/My house is in the path of the local turtle migrations, so I do stop and move them out of the road and into the pond, or I at least get them across the street. I also have to get them out of my yard, they sneak under one side of my chainlink fence, but tend to get stuck on the other side,.
 
2012-12-27 11:44:12 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-27 11:44:28 AM  
I blame violent videogames. Mario conditions you to hit turtles.
 
2012-12-27 11:44:32 AM  

SmackLT: I'd sort of like to understand if every swerve was attributed to an attempt to hurt the turtle. Depending on what was on the right/left of me when I saw it, if I saw a turtle at the last moment, I might try and drive more directly over it where it passed under my car but not in the path of the tires--rather than swerve around it and into an oncoming vehicle in the opposing lane.

I presume that this study differentiated for something like that. I hope it did.


Chit, average driver can't even stay off the painted lines. Don't start telling me they know where their tires are.
Is a crap shoot for the turtle.

This is why Moma said don't go gambling.
 
2012-12-27 11:45:16 AM  
I like turtles.
 
2012-12-27 11:45:37 AM  
Anyone else channeling the commercial w/ the squirrel and the bridge out?

I love ya, man!
 
2012-12-27 11:47:28 AM  
"It just seems fun at the time,"

What kind of asshole would think running over an animal is fun? I'd like to run those people over. That WOULD be fun.
 
2012-12-27 11:47:35 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

YOU DON'T TRY TO farkING STOP FOR TURTLES.
 
2012-12-27 11:47:51 AM  

doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

No, I mean everyone knows humans are sadistic.


Going by the article, one in fifty humans is sadistic, or at least; sadistic enough to try to kill a harmless animal for no reason and no possible benefit to themselves. Which admittedly is pretty goddamn sadistic.
 
2012-12-27 11:48:01 AM  
Then he got out of the way and watched as over the next hour, seven drivers intentionally ran over the turtle, and several more appeared to try to hit the defenseless animal, but missed.

That's mean. :(
 
2012-12-27 11:48:14 AM  
Squirrels yes.  Turtles, no.  Armadillos, meh.
 
2012-12-27 11:48:44 AM  
Good thing we have people like the Joads to help turtles out in these times of need.
 
2012-12-27 11:48:55 AM  
Put road spikes in your fake turtles. Set them out when real ones are crossing the road.
 
2012-12-27 11:49:08 AM  

snocone: Anyone else channeling the commercial w/ the squirrel and the bridge out?

I love ya, man!


Do you mean the commercial with the beaver? Squirrels can't cut down trees.
 
2012-12-27 11:49:41 AM  
i184.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-27 11:49:57 AM  

abhorrent1: What kind of asshole would think running over an animal is fun? I'd like to run those people over. That WOULD be fun.


The human race is full of them. Just look at any Fark thread. I'm sure this one will attract them as well -- they'll feel a need to prove how big and tough and assholish they are.
 
2012-12-27 11:51:21 AM  
If only these turtles had masks and nunchucks they could fight back, and perhaps one day defeat the evil Master Shredder.
 
2012-12-27 11:52:38 AM  

Gunther: doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

No, I mean everyone knows humans are sadistic.

Going by the article, one in fifty humans is sadistic, or at least; sadistic enough to try to kill a harmless animal for no reason and no possible benefit to themselves. Which admittedly is pretty goddamn sadistic.


Going by experience it's more like 50/50 humans are sadistic at some point.

I cried, CRIED when I accidentally a ladybug into a spiderweb and it got killed.

Then I turn around not a week latter and watch a Japanese suzumebachi ( lit sparrow wasp, 6" long) eat the babies out of a normal sized wasp nest and think it's hilarious.

I don't kill turtles myself, but the contrariness is that I'd smile if one of the turtle killers was in turn run over by a car and died.

We're all just chimp at heart, us humans.
 
2012-12-27 11:54:06 AM  
I've picked more than one turtle out of the road; I feel bad for them, especially since so many people are focused on just about anything BUT driving, and the road in front of them these days.

CSB: Couple months ago, was driving on a side road in a residential area and saw one on the white stop line at an intersection. There was nobody behind me, so I stopped, got out, and picked up the turtle. I then saw that it had already been run over and its shell was smashed. In this short time period, a brand new 7-Series had pulled up behind me at the stop sign. As I'm walking to the side of the road to set the turtle corpse down (hopefully some animal will eat it), the guy in the BMW double taps his horn. I give him an "are you kidding?" look, and point to the turtle and keep walking over to the shoulder. Seeing this, he FURIOUSLY leans on his horn. I stop, look at him, shrug, and set the turtle corpse on his hood. He was still hollering out of his window at me as I drove away.

/I drive a BMW now too
//it's not an excuse to act like/drive like/be an asshole
 
2012-12-27 11:54:31 AM  
www.maniacworld.com
 
2012-12-27 11:54:33 AM  
I got to say I won't swerve left for much. Can't be skitzing out and having a head on with a family of 4 in the other lane. If I could move slightly right and miss him... ok
 
2012-12-27 11:57:24 AM  
doglover:
We're all just chimp at heart, us humans.

Ah, you always insist everyone is really evil deep down inside.
 
2012-12-27 11:58:40 AM  

adammpower: hopefully these people are later hit by cars and have just enough time to think about it before impact.


Hope springs a turtle...
 
2012-12-27 11:58:43 AM  
Somebody call Tom Joad ... Maybe his sister can nurse the turtle back to health.
 
2012-12-27 11:58:52 AM  

maggoo: [www.maniacworld.com image 337x219]


Came here for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2012-12-27 12:00:30 PM  

doglover: I'd smile if one of the turtle killers was in turn run over by a car and died.


Agreed. If I found out someone had done this on purpose, they'd be dead to me. I wouldn't go out of my way to hurt them, but news of their death would amuse me.

That said, accidents happen. My turtle's a rescue. The guy who hit him took him to people who could help. He's good in my book.
 
2012-12-27 12:00:37 PM  

loonatic112358: it's revenge on those damn koopa troopers

/My house is in the path of the local turtle migrations, so I do stop and move them out of the road and into the pond, or I at least get them across the street. I also have to get them out of my yard, they sneak under one side of my chainlink fence, but tend to get stuck on the other side,.


Indeed. The only time I would run over an animal intentionally is if it would mean me going over a bridge or something like that.

/stops and moves turtles
 
2012-12-27 12:01:00 PM  
I dont swerve for animals in most cases, for safety and evolution.
 
2012-12-27 12:01:30 PM  

BoboRod: Squirrels yes.  Turtles, no.  Armadillos, meh.


Read that as armadillos meth and went down a strange path of wondering wtf a dillo on meth would be like.
 
2012-12-27 12:01:51 PM  
And harmless snakes. It's bullsnake territory and people run them over.
Just waiting for the day when the rattlesnakes take over.
 
2012-12-27 12:01:53 PM  
I really hate humanity sometimes.
 
2012-12-27 12:03:00 PM  
This is why you can't have nice things.
 
2012-12-27 12:03:01 PM  
Ewwwww ... that is horrible. Since conservatives are far outnumbered by liberals in America at the present, we mut assume Liberals Love To Squash Turtles. Ewewwww
 
2012-12-27 12:04:32 PM  
Add me to the 'helped a turtle cross the road' club. Poor little guy couldn't climb back up the curb, so I put him down in the grass by a stream.

/cool turtle story, bro
 
2012-12-27 12:04:40 PM  

pxlboy: Indeed. The only time I would run over an animal intentionally is if it would mean me going over a bridge or something like that./stops and moves turtles


I aim for the Water Moccasins, cause fark those guys
 
2012-12-27 12:05:23 PM  
I stop and move the turtles when I see them on the roads and i don't care that you're late for work.
 
2012-12-27 12:05:52 PM  

Shalashaska: I really hate humanity sometimes.


Some people are just jerks. I had the unfortunate luck to witness a spooked cat run into the road just in time to be hit by a truck blowing past a stopped school bus. I know death is natural and all that, but it was the reactions of some of the kids that bothered me.

I remember hearing that some kids liked to torch black cats on Halloween. As the then-owner of a black cat, that terrified me. The jokes from the other kids about it spoke volumes.

I know this thread is about turtles, but why the unwarranted hostility towards defenseless animals? Why do people try to hit turtles on the road or torture cats?
 
2012-12-27 12:06:56 PM  
I like turtles, admire them really. I wouldn't run one over. However, I'd intentionally run over a squirrel in a heartbeat. Those bush-tailed tree rats are a menace.
 
2012-12-27 12:07:40 PM  
This is now a cute baby turtle thread:

www.tehcute.com
 
2012-12-27 12:08:34 PM  
If it makes you feel any better, I've seen a Semi driver swerve across 2 interstate lanes to miss a turtle. Swerved hard enough to make the trailer tires start hollerin'. I was right behind him so it kinda freaked me out.
 
2012-12-27 12:08:38 PM  
You just need to equip all turtles like this.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-27 12:10:27 PM  
Squirrels...

Now those guys are a challenge!

Turtles seem very easy...no less fun, I'd imagine, but certainly not the thrill you get from running over a fleet-footed rodent!

Get over yourselves, assholes...
It's human nature to kill things...didn't you flood antbeads with water as a kid, use a magnifying glass on whatever stupid insect you found? Pulled the wings off butterflies, ripped the shells off rolly pollys?
Oh...but one of my favorties was to catch a frog and tie a string to one of his legs...
Then stake it into the ground right next to an active antbed.
Disturb the ants...
And let the entertainment begin!
Ants HATE bouncy shackled frogs all panicking over their bed.

Nice memories.
 
2012-12-27 12:10:41 PM  
Obviously they are not their pride and joy, et cetera
 
2012-12-27 12:11:35 PM  
Have the turtle model trigger a licence plate camera. Look up on web. Have several members of RCALB pay the driver a visit at night to have a chat with them.
 
2012-12-27 12:11:42 PM  
I have seen several turtles crossing the road in my area. I routinely pull over to the side and stop, pick them up, and help them along in their journey. Even the alligator snapping turtles who don't appreciate it and try to remove my digits.
 
2012-12-27 12:13:49 PM  
When I was in college/ for a while after, I lived out in the country about 15 miles from campus (rural Athens county, OH. Went to OU.) On my drive to school or to work, I would often see turtles crossing the road. I always stopped and moved them to the side of the road. And yes, the side they were walking towards. I wasn't a dick about it (HA HA! You have to start over in your RL game of Frogger!) Most of them were box turtles, but I occasionally saw other species. Anyhow, once I found a huge snapping turtle in the middle of the road, probably about 60 pounds. It was like a giant rock in the middle of the road. (just TRY running that one over, big shot) I wasn't exactly sure at the time how to deal with a snapper, but a truck driver stopped, got out of his truck, walked over, and said that you just grab their tail and drag them- they can't reach back there. He then proceeded to drag the turtle the rest of the way across the road, and over to the pond it was apparently heading for. Anyhow, during my time rescuing turtles, I came upon many people from the area that did the same. My point is that not ALL of us are sadistic assholes.
 
2012-12-27 12:16:32 PM  

basemetal: Never understood this, but i have seen people swerve to run them over.


In the Technodrome?
 
2012-12-27 12:17:18 PM  

pxlboy: ......run into the road just in time to be hit by a truck blowing past a stopped school bus. I know death is natural and all that, but it was the reactions of some of the kids that bothered me.



Then you would not have wanted to be there for the 2007 deer incident....

Look man, sometimes all you have in the car is a 24oz. framing hammer. It happens.

The lady who hit it could have warned me, the air brakes sound behind me was in fact a school bus.
 
2012-12-27 12:18:54 PM  

Greek: I wasn't exactly sure at the time how to deal with a snapper, but a truck driver stopped, got out of his truck, walked over, and said that you just grab their tail and drag them- they can't reach back there. He then proceeded to drag the turtle the rest of the way across the road, and over to the pond it was apparently heading for.


You can grab them by the sides of the shell (well away from the mouth) but you have to hang on tight because they will take a snap at you. That being said, I like the trucker's idea of grabbing them by the tail better.
 
2012-12-27 12:20:59 PM  
My vehicle has a high center of gravity so I don't swerve on the road no matter what the animal is. I do help quite a few turtles get across the trails when I'm offroading though. The ATVs and dirtbikes zip around so fast they wouldn't see them in time.
 
2012-12-27 12:24:23 PM  
Couple springs ago I was going down I35 by Owatonna MN and there were 3 snappers in the road, smashed. Someone has Arkansased the lot of them. 2 of them were 30-40 pounds and the other was 10 or so. A 30 pound turtle is not a good thing to hit. Plus they had to go on the shoulder to do so. I hope the asshole busted his steering linkage. I would have killed them too, but I would have eaten them. I sure as hell would not have hit them with my car though.

Also out in MT a couple years back, there were huge kingsnakes flattened all over the place. Stupid farkers can't tell the difference between a king that eats rattlers and the rattlers.

Not CSB
 
2012-12-27 12:25:01 PM  

netcentric: pxlboy: ......run into the road just in time to be hit by a truck blowing past a stopped school bus. I know death is natural and all that, but it was the reactions of some of the kids that bothered me.


Then you would not have wanted to be there for the 2007 deer incident....

Look man, sometimes all you have in the car is a 24oz. framing hammer. It happens.

The lady who hit it could have warned me, the air brakes sound behind me was in fact a school bus.


That's not what I mean. My former BIL hit a deer and the responding officer had to put it down with his service pistol. I get that, but not the kids who were all, "Hurr durr a cat got hit that's high-larious!"
 
2012-12-27 12:26:44 PM  
I saw a turtle...

/probably been done; DRTT
 
2012-12-27 12:27:45 PM  

pxlboy: netcentric: pxlboy: ......run into the road just in time to be hit by a truck blowing past a stopped school bus. I know death is natural and all that, but it was the reactions of some of the kids that bothered me.


Then you would not have wanted to be there for the 2007 deer incident....

Look man, sometimes all you have in the car is a 24oz. framing hammer. It happens.

The lady who hit it could have warned me, the air brakes sound behind me was in fact a school bus.

That's not what I mean. My former BIL hit a deer and the responding officer had to put it down with his service pistol. I get that, but not the kids who were all, "Hurr durr a cat got hit that's high-larious!"


Oh....well that's different

/Sometimes, at night, I still see those little faces in the windows
 
2012-12-27 12:29:38 PM  
I was driving home from the gulf coast through back roads and it was pouring rain. The roads were flooding and every couple of miles there were be one or two turtles trying to cross the road. I would stop and carry them across the road. Other drivers were setting their scope on them. Didn't know that it was illegal in Texas to stop and help a turtle across the road. So my brother told me. But he has a scope on his truck. Sad.
 
2012-12-27 12:31:18 PM  

doglover: Gunther: doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

No, I mean everyone knows humans are sadistic.

Going by the article, one in fifty humans is sadistic, or at least; sadistic enough to try to kill a harmless animal for no reason and no possible benefit to themselves. Which admittedly is pretty goddamn sadistic.

Going by experience it's more like 50/50 humans are sadistic at some point.

I cried, CRIED when I accidentally a ladybug into a spiderweb and it got killed.

Then I turn around not a week latter and watch a Japanese suzumebachi ( lit sparrow wasp, 6" long) eat the babies out of a normal sized wasp nest and think it's hilarious.

I don't kill turtles myself, but the contrariness is that I'd smile if one of the turtle killers was in turn run over by a car and died.

We're all just chimp at heart, us humans.


CSB- I worked in security for a small liberal arts college. In addition to the dangerous activity of unlocking doors and walking through buildings, we also remove wild animals from the community and take them back to "the wild" (usually the lake about 10 min. away). So one day we find a gosling on the patio of one of the residential buildings. There is a crowd of students around the thing, just watching it and keeping it from waddling into the sewer grate. When we arrived there were something like 30 or 40 kids in the patio area some watching most just hanging around to see what would happen. At this point some girl walks by and says, "I don't get it, it's just a bird, someone should just kill it and be done with it." I don't know what appalled me more what she said or how good I felt when someone in the crowd (they remain at large) nailed the biatch in the head with an un-opened coke can. biatch went down like a sack of potatoes. Looked like it hurt.....
 
2012-12-27 12:32:27 PM  

Avery614: doglover: Gunther: doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

No, I mean everyone knows humans are sadistic.

Going by the article, one in fifty humans is sadistic, or at least; sadistic enough to try to kill a harmless animal for no reason and no possible benefit to themselves. Which admittedly is pretty goddamn sadistic.

Going by experience it's more like 50/50 humans are sadistic at some point.

I cried, CRIED when I accidentally a ladybug into a spiderweb and it got killed.

Then I turn around not a week latter and watch a Japanese suzumebachi ( lit sparrow wasp, 6" long) eat the babies out of a normal sized wasp nest and think it's hilarious.

I don't kill turtles myself, but the contrariness is that I'd smile if one of the turtle killers was in turn run over by a car and died.

We're all just chimp at heart, us humans.

CSB- I worked in security for a small liberal arts college. In addition to the dangerous activity of unlocking doors and walking through buildings, we also remove wild animals from the community and take them back to "the wild" (usually the lake about 10 min. away). So one day we find a gosling on the patio of one of the residential buildings. There is a crowd of students around the thing, just watching it and keeping it from waddling into the sewer grate. When we arrived there were something like 30 or 40 kids in the patio area some watching most just hanging around to see what would happen. At this point some girl walks by and says, "I don't get it, it's just a bird, someone should just kill it and be done with it." I don't know what appalled me more what she said or how good I felt when someone in the crowd (they remain at large) nailed the biatch in the head with an un-opened coke can. biatch went down like a sack of potatoes. Looked like it hurt.....


Nice!
 
2012-12-27 12:32:48 PM  
 
2012-12-27 12:33:06 PM  
One night, coming home late in the pouring rain, I hit a giant snapping turtle in the ass. I've always thought about that night and it pops into my head if I feel like I'm driving too fast. Ugh, what a sick sound. Why would you do that on purpose?
 
2012-12-27 12:38:10 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Ewwwww ... that is horrible. Since conservatives are far outnumbered by liberals in America at the present, we mut assume Liberals Love To Squash Turtles. Ewewwww


No, no, no, this is in South Carolina, you know, the state that has been anxiously awaiting the next civil war since the last civil war.....I think it's against the law to be liberal there, NRA membership is mandatory I believe...
 
2012-12-27 12:49:01 PM  

Ceiling Moran: You just need to equip all turtles like this.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 450x519]


At a previous jorb, I developed VHF transmitters to track desert tortoises, so I'm getting a kick out of your picture.
 
2012-12-27 12:50:56 PM  
On route 50 in WV there's a section of roadway that is covered with turtles in the spring. I've never seen one that was hit.. It being WV, roadkill doesn't seem to last very long, though.
 
2012-12-27 12:53:24 PM  
You're not helping, Leon. Why aren't you helping?
 
2012-12-27 12:54:38 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ah... found it link

/different study, same result
//humans are sadistic
///who knew?


Voight-Kampf?
 
2012-12-27 12:56:24 PM  
Wanted for questioning:


ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2012-12-27 12:57:35 PM  
I stop and move turtles out of the rode because I know there are assholes out there who like to run them over.  I really don't understand that mentality.
 
2012-12-27 12:59:57 PM  
Even as a sadistic psychopath and a mid-level jerk, I cannot see why anyone would intentionally run over a turtle. They have all sorts of hard parts which could puncture a tire or break a bumper, not to mention the creme filling which will smell fantastic smeared across the undercarriage of your car.

On top of that, try explaining to a cop why you swerved out of your lane to run over the thing. He'd probably taser you until your clothes caught on fire. And you'd deserve it.
 
2012-12-27 01:00:22 PM  

Rawhead Rex: Squirrels...

Now those guys are a challenge!

Turtles seem very easy...no less fun, I'd imagine, but certainly not the thrill you get from running over a fleet-footed rodent!

Get over yourselves, assholes...
It's human nature to kill things...didn't you flood antbeads with water as a kid, use a magnifying glass on whatever stupid insect you found? Pulled the wings off butterflies, ripped the shells off rolly pollys?
Oh...but one of my favorties was to catch a frog and tie a string to one of his legs...
Then stake it into the ground right next to an active antbed.
Disturb the ants...
And let the entertainment begin!
Ants HATE bouncy shackled frogs all panicking over their bed.

Nice memories.


7/10 - A little obvious, but still nicely phrased trolling.

If you're not trolling, then I highly suggest you find a good psychiatrist to talk to as what you're describing are the classic signs of a sociopath. Ya rly.
 
2012-12-27 01:07:31 PM  

mongbiohazard: Rawhead Rex: Squirrels...

Now those guys are a challenge!

Turtles seem very easy...no less fun, I'd imagine, but certainly not the thrill you get from running over a fleet-footed rodent!

Get over yourselves, assholes...
It's human nature to kill things...didn't you flood antbeads with water as a kid, use a magnifying glass on whatever stupid insect you found? Pulled the wings off butterflies, ripped the shells off rolly pollys?
Oh...but one of my favorties was to catch a frog and tie a string to one of his legs...
Then stake it into the ground right next to an active antbed.
Disturb the ants...
And let the entertainment begin!
Ants HATE bouncy shackled frogs all panicking over their bed.

Nice memories.

7/10 - A little obvious, but still nicely phrased trolling.

If you're not trolling, then I highly suggest you find a good psychiatrist to talk to as what you're describing are the classic signs of a sociopath. Ya rly.


This
 
2012-12-27 01:08:34 PM  

Tman144: snocone: Anyone else channeling the commercial w/ the squirrel and the bridge out?

I love ya, man!

Do you mean the commercial with the beaver? Squirrels can't cut down trees.


How could I forget, beaver!

/sorry, TV just does not stick with me
 
2012-12-27 01:10:33 PM  
I'm running along inside a golf club community in Florida with the toons rocking and some raisinette on a bicycle comes up behind me and stops me (and scares the crap out of me in the process) and tells me that I MUST go back and around the corner to help some turtle cross the road. So I do. Big f*cker, shell about a foot across, seems to have made it half way up the curb. So i pick up the little sh*t who is flapping his (her?) feet wildly and is clearly trying to bite me and put it on the grass past the curb. Granny is all pleased with herself. Turtle probably would have made it anyway (ponds on either side of the road, so I assume this wasn't the turtle's first inter-pond rodeo).

/csb, no point to the story
//once granny was out of sight I shot the turtle with my assault rifle. multiple times. ungrateful bast*ard.
 
2012-12-27 01:12:12 PM  
RELIGION OF PEACE
 
2012-12-27 01:15:56 PM  

grinding_journalist: I've picked more than one turtle out of the road; I feel bad for them, especially since so many people are focused on just about anything BUT driving, and the road in front of them these days.

CSB: Couple months ago, was driving on a side road in a residential area and saw one on the white stop line at an intersection. There was nobody behind me, so I stopped, got out, and picked up the turtle. I then saw that it had already been run over and its shell was smashed. In this short time period, a brand new 7-Series had pulled up behind me at the stop sign. As I'm walking to the side of the road to set the turtle corpse down (hopefully some animal will eat it), the guy in the BMW double taps his horn. I give him an "are you kidding?" look, and point to the turtle and keep walking over to the shoulder. Seeing this, he FURIOUSLY leans on his horn. I stop, look at him, shrug, and set the turtle corpse on his hood. He was still hollering out of his window at me as I drove away.

/I drive a BMW now too
//it's not an excuse to act like/drive like/be an asshole


Been there, Is better to just walk away from your car and enjoy the fun. Pretend you can't speak.

Sure it was staged, but surfed by one of those reality puke shows and some process server was running from a gal w/ a bat. He ducked in a car and she beat the car to death and walked away.
The guy gets out, runs to his truck and sorta gets away. Poorly acted, but cute.
 
2012-12-27 01:16:03 PM  
I have stopped and moved migrating turtles out of the road in the direction they were going. I have seen the same damn turtle crawl back into the road, going in the opposite direction. Hormone-crazed turtles baffle me, so I try not to interfere, now.

/the horny tarantula migrations are more fun
 
2012-12-27 01:18:06 PM  
 
2012-12-27 01:18:12 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-27 01:21:37 PM  
Yeah, if you haven't developed past the "killin' stuff for no reason is fun" stage by the time you're old enough to drive, you have some serious issues that I'd like you to not inflict on society. Please either get help or consider suicide.
 
2012-12-27 01:22:19 PM  

Greek: When I was in college/ for a while after, I lived out in the country about 15 miles from campus (rural Athens county, OH. Went to OU.) On my drive to school or to work, I would often see turtles crossing the road. I always stopped and moved them to the side of the road. And yes, the side they were walking towards. I wasn't a dick about it (HA HA! You have to start over in your RL game of Frogger!) Most of them were box turtles, but I occasionally saw other species. Anyhow, once I found a huge snapping turtle in the middle of the road, probably about 60 pounds. It was like a giant rock in the middle of the road. (just TRY running that one over, big shot) I wasn't exactly sure at the time how to deal with a snapper, but a truck driver stopped, got out of his truck, walked over, and said that you just grab their tail and drag them- they can't reach back there. He then proceeded to drag the turtle the rest of the way across the road, and over to the pond it was apparently heading for. Anyhow, during my time rescuing turtles, I came upon many people from the area that did the same. My point is that not ALL of us are sadistic assholes.


Yeah, there are plenty of good people out there. Last time I stopped to move a turtle out of the road, there were two other drivers stopping to do the same thing. One of them even thanked me.
 
2012-12-27 01:22:47 PM  

Avery614: doglover: Gunther: doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

No, I mean everyone knows humans are sadistic.

Going by the article, one in fifty humans is sadistic, or at least; sadistic enough to try to kill a harmless animal for no reason and no possible benefit to themselves. Which admittedly is pretty goddamn sadistic.

Going by experience it's more like 50/50 humans are sadistic at some point.

I cried, CRIED when I accidentally a ladybug into a spiderweb and it got killed.

Then I turn around not a week latter and watch a Japanese suzumebachi ( lit sparrow wasp, 6" long) eat the babies out of a normal sized wasp nest and think it's hilarious.

I don't kill turtles myself, but the contrariness is that I'd smile if one of the turtle killers was in turn run over by a car and died.

We're all just chimp at heart, us humans.

CSB- I worked in security for a small liberal arts college. In addition to the dangerous activity of unlocking doors and walking through buildings, we also remove wild animals from the community and take them back to "the wild" (usually the lake about 10 min. away). So one day we find a gosling on the patio of one of the residential buildings. There is a crowd of students around the thing, just watching it and keeping it from waddling into the sewer grate. When we arrived there were something like 30 or 40 kids in the patio area some watching most just hanging around to see what would happen. At this point some girl walks by and says, "I don't get it, it's just a bird, someone should just kill it and be done with it." I don't know what appalled me more what she said or how good I felt when someone in the crowd (they remain at large) nailed the biatch in the head with an un-opened coke can. biatch went down like a sack of potatoes. Looked like it hurt.....


I hope she got a concussion. Dumb coont.
 
2012-12-27 01:23:27 PM  

Avery614: CSB- I worked in security for a small liberal arts college. In addition to the dangerous activity of unlocking doors and walking through buildings, we also remove wild animals from the community and take them back to "the wild" (usually the lake about 10 min. away). So one day we find a gosling on the patio of one of the residential buildings. There is a crowd of students around the thing, just watching it and keeping it from waddling into the sewer grate. When we arrived there were something like 30 or 40 kids in the patio area some watching most just hanging around to see what would happen. At this point some girl walks by and says, "I don't get it, it's just a bird, someone should just kill it and be done with it." I don't know what appalled me more what she said or how good I felt when someone in the crowd (they remain at large) nailed the biatch in the head with an un-opened coke can. biatch went down like a sack of potatoes. Looked like it hurt.....


Karma's a biatch, ain't it...
 
2012-12-27 01:24:47 PM  
...Herzog asked a class of about 110 students getting ready to take a final whether they had intentionally run over a turtle, or been in a car with someone who did. Thirty-four students raised their hands...

This disgusts me. But I guess it sort of confirms my suspicion about seeing roadkilled wildlife and pets over the years in places not exactly in the line of traffic (e.g., way off on the shoulder). I feel like I need to My violent contempt for humankind has just increased by about 31%.
 
2012-12-27 01:25:35 PM  
New Michelin turtle tread tires.Keep your family safe during turtle season.
 
2012-12-27 01:26:54 PM  
I feel like I need to

*remnant from an e-mail that somehow got pasted in the above comment before it saved
 
2012-12-27 01:27:18 PM  
Clemson University student Nathan Weaver just wanted to put together a project to help figure out the best way to assist turtles in crossing the road....

Are you sure his name wasn't Nathan Weaver95?

/hehe
 
2012-12-27 01:29:41 PM  

Rawhead Rex: Squirrels...

Now those guys are a challenge!

Turtles seem very easy...no less fun, I'd imagine, but certainly not the thrill you get from running over a fleet-footed rodent!

Get over yourselves, assholes...
It's human nature to kill things...didn't you flood antbeads with water as a kid, use a magnifying glass on whatever stupid insect you found? Pulled the wings off butterflies, ripped the shells off rolly pollys?
Oh...but one of my favorties was to catch a frog and tie a string to one of his legs...
Then stake it into the ground right next to an active antbed.
Disturb the ants...
And let the entertainment begin!
Ants HATE bouncy shackled frogs all panicking over their bed.

Nice memories.


Serial Killer-like typing detected.
 
2012-12-27 01:32:51 PM  

MagSeven: Rawhead Rex: Squirrels...

Now those guys are a challenge!

Turtles seem very easy...no less fun, I'd imagine, but certainly not the thrill you get from running over a fleet-footed rodent!

Get over yourselves, assholes...
It's human nature to kill things...didn't you flood antbeads with water as a kid, use a magnifying glass on whatever stupid insect you found? Pulled the wings off butterflies, ripped the shells off rolly pollys?
Oh...but one of my favorties was to catch a frog and tie a string to one of his legs...
Then stake it into the ground right next to an active antbed.
Disturb the ants...
And let the entertainment begin!
Ants HATE bouncy shackled frogs all panicking over their bed.

Nice memories.

Serial Killer-like typing detected.


insertyourmeme.com
 
2012-12-27 01:34:17 PM  

TheOther: I have stopped and moved migrating turtles out of the road in the direction they were going. I have seen the same damn turtle crawl back into the road, going in the opposite direction. Hormone-crazed turtles baffle me, so I try not to interfere, now.

/the horny tarantula migrations are more fun


Dookin' for dove.

SNL
 
2012-12-27 01:40:54 PM  

Buttbone McGillicutty: Greek: I wasn't exactly sure at the time how to deal with a snapper, but a truck driver stopped, got out of his truck, walked over, and said that you just grab their tail and drag them- they can't reach back there. He then proceeded to drag the turtle the rest of the way across the road, and over to the pond it was apparently heading for.

You can grab them by the sides of the shell (well away from the mouth) but you have to hang on tight because they will take a snap at you. That being said, I like the trucker's idea of grabbing them by the tail better.


one hand on the shell behind the head, one hand on the shell above the tail.  lift.
 
2012-12-27 01:44:20 PM  
I'm guessing most of the people who'd do this are either women or guys with beards. No one who looks at themselves in the mirror every day could be this much of a jerk.
 
2012-12-27 01:46:13 PM  

ZAZ:
And I already knew this. Should have put a nail in the turtle.


That was my thought. Would love to see the reactions of the assholes that were trying to run over a turtle and suddenly found their tires shredded instead.
 
2012-12-27 01:49:00 PM  

pxlboy: This is now a cute baby turtle thread:

[www.tehcute.com image 636x479]


i.canvasugc.com
 
2012-12-27 01:49:16 PM  
There's a thought. T

ZAZ: Worked fine for me. It's on the wire so searching clemson+turtle will find you other copies.

And I already knew this. Should have put a nail in the turtle.


Genius. Turtle landmines. Stryrofoam turtles with nails hidden in them to shred tires.
 
2012-12-27 01:49:42 PM  

SomeoneDumb: I'm guessing most of the people who'd do this are either women or guys with beards. No one who looks at themselves in the mirror every day could be this much of a jerk.


I have a beard and I move turtles and slow down for animals. Don't be hatin' on the beard, yo.
 
2012-12-27 01:53:03 PM  

pxlboy: SomeoneDumb: I'm guessing most of the people who'd do this are either women or guys with beards. No one who looks at themselves in the mirror every day could be this much of a jerk.

I have a beard and I move turtles and slow down for animals. Don't be hatin' on the beard, yo.


Oh I'm not. Beards don't cause turtle deaths, they just result from them because no one doing it should be able to look themselves in the face.

/Have had beards myself
//Also, have had turtles
 
2012-12-27 01:54:06 PM  
"I realize now why the universe, as the astronomers have discovered, is receding from us at all directions at near the speed of light. Why? Red shift? No! Because of fear that's why. We are the plague of the cosmos. The stars are not merely flying away, they are fleeing away, tripping away on little starfeet at a hundred and eighty thousand miles per second, running for their lives."
-Edward Abbey
 
2012-12-27 01:58:39 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: doglover: Everyone?

Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

Diogenes: You're like the Repeat Enforcer today!

It's not a repeat, it's a different story that observed the same behavior

/a lot of people are turtle-haters
//I blame Mitch McConnell for that


Yeah, and it's an old observation. I remember seeing something like this in National Geographic (? Or some similar journal) when I was a wee lass back in the 70's. Seems a group put plastic turtles and rubber snakes along a Texas highway, and watched in fascination and horror as motorists and truckers would cross the center yellow line, even into oncoming traffic, to run the things over.

Everyone knows about the BEHAVIOR, now we need to find out why the hell people feel the need to run over reptiles on the roadway.
 
2012-12-27 02:02:17 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, and it's an old observation. I remember seeing something like this in National Geographic (? Or some similar journal) when I was a wee lass back in the 70's. Seems a group put plastic turtles and rubber snakes along a Texas highway, and watched in fascination and horror as motorists and truckers would cross the center yellow line, even into oncoming traffic, to run the things over.

Everyone knows about the BEHAVIOR, now we need to find out why the hell people feel the need to run over reptiles on the roadway.


Schadenfrog?
 
2012-12-27 02:03:43 PM  
ec1.images-amazon.com
 
2012-12-27 02:14:10 PM  
Wait, people are swerving to hit her?

por-img.cimcontent.net
 
2012-12-27 02:16:09 PM  

shootsright: "I realize now why the universe, as the astronomers have discovered, is receding from us at all directions at near the speed of light. Why? Red shift? No! Because of fear that's why. We are the plague of the cosmos. The stars are not merely flying away, they are fleeing away, tripping away on little starfeet at a hundred and eighty thousand miles per second, running for their lives."
-Edward Abbey


I suspect we are the arkansas of the universe, or at least the galaxy, and there have been no UFOs or alien visitors because why would they come here?
 
2012-12-27 02:48:22 PM  
I had a turtle once with a smashed front foot and a partly smashed shell. He got around pretty well anyway. But when I turned him loose, I made sure that it was FAR from a road.
 
2012-12-27 02:50:08 PM  
I've stopped and moved turtles out of the road as long as it is safe to do so. I've seen a medium sized water turtle (probably a red-eared slider) crossing two lanes of an interstate one day; on the return trip back that afternoon I didn't see him smashed so I hope he made it across. I've also stopped to help a big, crabby snapping turtle get across a road. Rather than picking him up (and losing a few fingers), I just prodded him on across with a stick.
 
2012-12-27 02:53:07 PM  
Seems like some sort of turtle-shaped mines might be in order. Once the news spreads--problem solved.Well, assuming the people who run over turtles actually watch or read news, that is. I suspect you might have to put one on the road to Springer's or Povich's houses before the turtle murdering crowd takes notice. (But then you get the added bonus of possibly taking out two birds with one stone.)
 
2012-12-27 03:12:50 PM  
Hey, Maudlin - thanx for the TF.

You'll like this Link
 
2012-12-27 03:22:52 PM  

Sinisism: This is why you can't have nice things.


Nice things like turtles on the highway? O_o
 
2012-12-27 03:23:30 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
Wanted for questioning...
 
2012-12-27 03:26:07 PM  

dabbletech: Hey, Maudlin - thanx for the TF.

You'll like this Link


You're welcome :)

/anyone who'd make a pun like that deserves it
//Happy New year
 
2012-12-27 03:31:11 PM  
Ha! Jokes on them! These ignorant,sadistic assholes dont know that the universe, as we know it, rests on top of turtles. It's nothing but turtles all the down YOU FOOLS!
 
2012-12-27 03:36:02 PM  
Trolling...

OK, sure.

Like I'm the only one on here who's ever killed a critter for the farking hell of it.

Liars.

I know you are.
 
2012-12-27 03:37:26 PM  

snocone: TheOther: I have stopped and moved migrating turtles out of the road in the direction they were going. I have seen the same damn turtle crawl back into the road, going in the opposite direction. Hormone-crazed turtles baffle me, so I try not to interfere, now.

/the horny tarantula migrations are more fun

Dookin' for dove.Wookin' Pa Nub FTFY

SNL

/unless I'm just an old fart and Dooken for dove is a new thing
 
2012-12-27 03:45:53 PM  

Rawhead Rex: Like I'm the only one on here who's ever killed a critter for the farking hell of it.


Probably not. That doesn't make it normal nor does it imply any significant intelligence. It sounds a lot like; "Like I'm the only one that beats their wife for no reason. Lots of guys beat their wives."
 
2012-12-27 04:21:26 PM  

Rawhead Rex: Trolling...

OK, sure.

Like I'm the only one on here who's ever killed a critter for the farking hell of it.

Liars.

I know you are.


I've killed a fish. But it was because I was fishing. I ate it though and it was delicious.
Other than that, I've never killed anything "for the farking hell of it". Cause I'm not an asshole.
 
2012-12-27 04:23:28 PM  
Absolutely nothing about this story surprises me. Maybe next time, just do a survey if you don't already know.
 
2012-12-27 04:31:26 PM  
From the article: "Weaver could get into the road to get the model, another car moved to the right to hit the animal as he stood less than 20 feet away."

This happened when I was trying to rescue a turtle. I was 15 feet away. Gruesome. Farking driver.
 
2012-12-27 05:26:06 PM  

adammpower: hopefully these people are later hit by cars and have just enough time to think about it before impact.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

fk these assholes
 
2012-12-27 05:29:38 PM  

Rawhead Rex: Trolling...

OK, sure.

Like I'm the only one on here who's ever killed a critter for the farking hell of it.

Liars.

I know you are.


You sound like a trophy hunter.

Trophy hunters are assholes.

Not as much ass holes as the people killing innocent turtles in this story, but still.
 
2012-12-27 06:17:34 PM  

doglover: Then I turn around not a week latter and watch a Japanese suzumebachi ( lit sparrow wasp, 6" long) eat the babies out of a normal sized wasp nest and think it's hilarious.


There's a big difference between running over a turtle just for the LULZ, and watching a predator do what it evolved to do - chow down on lesser species. Stopping and grabbing the turtle so you can make turtle soup for dinner is somewhere in between.

I always rooted for the cheetah/lion on nature shows. Big cats are cool. Ruminants are meals on hooves.
 
2012-12-27 07:25:31 PM  

mrlewish: Time to put down a rubber turtle with road spikes.


So much this. People who run over animals deliberately aren't actually people, but pieces of shiat, and they need to be splattered on the road before they hurt anything else.
 
2012-12-27 07:52:04 PM  
A few months ago I was on a two lane highway in Alexandria, VA, when I came up on a line of geese crossing the 40 mph street. I stopped for the geese and the guy behind me is laying on the horn and making angry gestures. I point to the geese and he guns it, goes around me with his middle finger up and runs over two geese. Joke was on him, my brother was my passenger, he's a cop and we were in Alexandria. My brother called a fellow officer and we followed to watch the on duty cop pull the guy over. He now has a court date, and if you know anything about Virginia traffic laws then you know it won't be pretty.
 
2012-12-27 08:59:59 PM  
Growing up I have vivid memories of my father pulling off the road in Kansas and moving turtles off the road to the grass. Rescuing turtles was just something he always did.

/he drew the line at a 40 pound snapping turtle
//and called the zoo about it
 
2012-12-28 02:28:11 AM  

Buttbone McGillicutty: Greek: I wasn't exactly sure at the time how to deal with a snapper, but a truck driver stopped, got out of his truck, walked over, and said that you just grab their tail and drag them- they can't reach back there. He then proceeded to drag the turtle the rest of the way across the road, and over to the pond it was apparently heading for.

You can grab them by the sides of the shell (well away from the mouth) but you have to hang on tight because they will take a snap at you. That being said, I like the trucker's idea of grabbing them by the tail better.


I haven't had the opportunity to rescue a turtle from the road, but my dad has. He uses the tail method. The turtles I've seen him rescue were big enough to do damage, but small enough to gently toss into the roadside vegetation. Which seems like rough handling, but it's better than they'd get on the road. They're tough animals.

Tail method. Definitely.
 
2012-12-28 03:08:25 AM  

MagSeven: Serial Killer-like typing detected


Good Sir, I most humbly request you not sully my honorable name..even so very tangentially..by association with this base psychopath/troll.

My thanks, and good day to you..
 
2012-12-28 07:32:04 AM  

doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of them it would seem

No, I mean everyone knows humans are sadistic.


I admit I constantly struggle with the urges to string up rapists by their pleasure bits and do a Dexter on murdering mother farkers, but I reconcile these urges with Ecclesiastes 3:1.
 
2012-12-28 08:09:59 AM  
As a Clemson alum I am getting a kick....oh fark it, I going to the Taproom................
 
2012-12-28 10:48:36 AM  
I paint little animals on my fender when I run over them. Like a fighter pilot. If I hit a bunny, I paint a little bunny on the car. I have a snake, three squirrels a bunny and a cat.

I *ALMOST* hit my boss once when he waddled out into traffic without looking. That woulda been a fun one to paint, but Id need more paint.
 
2012-12-28 12:48:12 PM  

Doink_Boink: A few months ago I was on a two lane highway in Alexandria, VA, when I came up on a line of geese crossing the 40 mph street. I stopped for the geese and the guy behind me is laying on the horn and making angry gestures. I point to the geese and he guns it, goes around me with his middle finger up and runs over two geese. Joke was on him, my brother was my passenger, he's a cop and we were in Alexandria. My brother called a fellow officer and we followed to watch the on duty cop pull the guy over. He now has a court date, and if you know anything about Virginia traffic laws then you know it won't be pretty.


what did the on duty cop ticket him for, exactly?
 
2012-12-28 01:18:28 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: what did the on duty cop ticket him for, exactly?


One would guess cruelty to animals, reckless driving, traffic control signals, disorderly conduct, criminal mischief, failure to yield and so on. I got caught with 2 joint roaches in my car ashtray when I was 19, somehow that got me 10 or 12 charges. All were dropped once I plead to DUI even though I was 0.0 at the time. When they want to they can get you for tons of shiat even if you did just one thing wrong, throw everything at them and see what sticks.

Quick CSB- I have a friend who was once charged with "possession with intent to distribute but not sell" when they found a gram of pot on him. It was assumed he was going to smoke it with the other two people he was with......bull-motherfarking-shiat if you ask me.
 
2012-12-28 02:34:14 PM  

Greek: I wasn't exactly sure at the time how to deal with a snapper, but a truck driver stopped, got out of his truck, walked over, and said that you just grab their tail and drag them- they can't reach back there.


Good tip.

I pulled out a real estate sign and just sorta shoveled a big snapper across the road.

By the way, it didn't look exactly like a snapper or an alligator snapper. Do they hybridize?

/yes, I put the sign back too.
 
2012-12-28 07:25:03 PM  

Avery614: ExperianScaresCthulhu: what did the on duty cop ticket him for, exactly?

One would guess cruelty to animals, reckless driving, traffic control signals, disorderly conduct, criminal mischief, failure to yield and so on. I got caught with 2 joint roaches in my car ashtray when I was 19, somehow that got me 10 or 12 charges. All were dropped once I plead to DUI even though I was 0.0 at the time. When they want to they can get you for tons of shiat even if you did just one thing wrong, throw everything at them and see what sticks.

Quick CSB- I have a friend who was once charged with "possession with intent to distribute but not sell" when they found a gram of pot on him. It was assumed he was going to smoke it with the other two people he was with......bull-motherfarking-shiat if you ask me.


Do you know what the penalty for animal cruelty is in this state? I'm sure it's pretty stiff. Poor little guy, probably kept honking for a couple miles...
 
2012-12-29 10:05:58 AM  

Fano: Avery614: ExperianScaresCthulhu: what did the on duty cop ticket him for, exactly?

One would guess cruelty to animals, reckless driving, traffic control signals, disorderly conduct, criminal mischief, failure to yield and so on. I got caught with 2 joint roaches in my car ashtray when I was 19, somehow that got me 10 or 12 charges. All were dropped once I plead to DUI even though I was 0.0 at the time. When they want to they can get you for tons of shiat even if you did just one thing wrong, throw everything at them and see what sticks.

Quick CSB- I have a friend who was once charged with "possession with intent to distribute but not sell" when they found a gram of pot on him. It was assumed he was going to smoke it with the other two people he was with......bull-motherfarking-shiat if you ask me.

Do you know what the penalty for animal cruelty is in this state? I'm sure it's pretty stiff. Poor little guy, probably kept honking for a couple miles...


From what I can tell, in VA, they suck.....
 
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