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2012-12-27 10:30:16 AM
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2012-12-27 10:47:16 AM
Nope. Don't know what they charge for hockey parking, but it's probably ungodly.

/never drive to a Yankees game. Park and hour away and take the train. You'll save time and 50 bucks.
 
2012-12-27 10:49:51 AM

DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]


This. Fark em
 
2012-12-27 10:59:38 AM

Crewmannumber6: DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]

This. Fark em


+1, dunno why I'm supposed to feel sorry for people who take advantage of scarcity to gouge customers. Sure, its good business, but it won't make me like you very much.
 
2012-12-27 11:05:23 AM

grinding_journalist: +1, dunno why I'm supposed to feel sorry for people who take advantage of scarcity to gouge customers. Sure, its good business, but it won't make me like you very much.


Er, optimizing real estate isn't price gouging; it's as pure capitalism as they come. The value of the parking spots must be more profitable than the value of re-purposing your large, open, conveniently location field into anything else. That's why they offer parking for rent as opposed to turning it into the worlds largest Starbucks, conveniently located to major sporting events.
 
2012-12-27 11:07:15 AM

Mr Guy: grinding_journalist: +1, dunno why I'm supposed to feel sorry for people who take advantage of scarcity to gouge customers. Sure, its good business, but it won't make me like you very much.

Er, optimizing real estate isn't price gouging; it's as pure capitalism as they come. The value of the parking spots must be more profitable than the value of re-purposing your large, open, conveniently location field into anything else. That's why they offer parking for rent as opposed to turning it into the worlds largest Starbucks, conveniently located to major sporting events.


There's a very fine line between "pure capitalism" and outright greed. Parking lot owners are the latter, not the former.
 
2012-12-27 11:10:35 AM

Rwa2play: There's a very fine line between "pure capitalism" and outright greed. Parking lot owners are the latter, not the former.


Certain times its a virtual monopoly.
 
2012-12-27 11:12:43 AM

Crewmannumber6: DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]

This. Fark em


That and fark the NHL; the owners are going to find out the hard way how baseball fans felt after the '94-'95 strike. If the owners just throw up their hands and say "fark it, we don't care", they're going understand a very harsh lesson in how you never fark with the fans, no matter how much of a douchetard you are.
 
2012-12-27 11:17:21 AM

Rwa2play: Crewmannumber6: DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]

This. Fark em

That and fark the NHL; the owners are going to find out the hard way how baseball fans felt after the '94-'95 strike. If the owners just throw up their hands and say "fark it, we don't care", they're going understand a very harsh lesson in how you never fark with the fans, no matter how much of a douchetard you are.


Donald Fehr is in charge of the NHLPA, and I blame him.  NEVERMIND that Bettman and the owners are greedy bastards and are behind this whole thing, I hold Donald Fehr 100% responsible for this mess.

/why yes the butthurt remains from 1994
//notice how smooth labor in baseball has been since Fehr left?
 
2012-12-27 11:25:42 AM
Do we care? Are we caring about the NHL this week? I thought the consensus was die all ready you farkers!
 
2012-12-27 11:25:47 AM
I cannot believe I am typing this but I won't be going back or watching the NHL for a long time if ever again. I love hockey it is my favorite sport but after this horseshiat second lost season in less than a decade the NHL deserves to fold or contract down to 6 teams again to learn the lesson about killing the golden goose. Maybe a reformed league could finally take hockey out of the bush league level it's been in.
 
2012-12-27 11:38:23 AM
Ever since the lock-out began there's been no shortage of pity pieces for the collateral damage, the businesses that depend on hockey to stay afloat. And while I don't mean to come off cold-hearted or mean-spirited, screw them. I honestly do not give a damn. They tied their business model into that of the NHL, which treated them well. But either they're new to the game or plum forgot about what happened 7 years ago. That's the risk you take riding those coattails. Sure, I wish bankruptcy on nobody, and it sucks to be them, but that's how it goes. The lord giveth and the lord taketh away.

/just realized I forgot about watching the WJC today
//but not Spengler Cup action.... here's to Canada losing again
 
2012-12-27 11:39:42 AM

bluorangefyre: Rwa2play: Crewmannumber6: DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]

This. Fark em

That and fark the NHL; the owners are going to find out the hard way how baseball fans felt after the '94-'95 strike. If the owners just throw up their hands and say "fark it, we don't care", they're going understand a very harsh lesson in how you never fark with the fans, no matter how much of a douchetard you are.

Donald Fehr is in charge of the NHLPA, and I blame him.  NEVERMIND that Bettman and the owners are greedy bastards and are behind this whole thing, I hold Donald Fehr 100% responsible for this mess.

/why yes the butthurt remains from 1994
//notice how smooth labor in baseball has been since Fehr left?


This argument is the equivalent of blaming obama for the 15 trillion dollar debt the US has. Fehr has nothing to do with this lockout in hockey. All your MLB butthurt aside the owners locked the players out and haven't been negotiating in good faith. It has been an our way or the highway approach the entire time with deals that get worse as time goes on. The owners intent has always been to scrap the season and go with scabs/replacements in September. Fehr has NOTHING to do with that plan and he wont be able to stop it either. He is used to dealing ultimately with sane businessmen. Hockey owners are good old boys who would rather disband the club to stop homer from joining.
 
2012-12-27 11:41:15 AM

Rwa2play: Crewmannumber6: DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]

This. Fark em

That and fark the NHL; the owners are going to find out the hard way how baseball fans felt after the '94-'95 strike. If the owners just throw up their hands and say "fark it, we don't care", they're going understand a very harsh lesson in how you never fark with the fans, no matter how much of a douchetard you are.


That's where you're wrong. If there is one thing players AND owners of every major sport have learned it's "fark the fans, they'll be back." You know what's worse? They're 100% right.
 
2012-12-27 11:43:19 AM

swahnhennessy:
//but not Spengler Cup action.... here's to Canada losing again


Canada will not win the spengler cup. There are more NHL players on some of the clubs than are on the Canadian team. Not to mention the canadian nhl players havent been staying 100% in game shape where the others have been playing in their respective leagues since the start of the year.

Thanks to the NHL players Canada will lose easily.
 
2012-12-27 11:44:46 AM

Mr Guy: grinding_journalist: +1, dunno why I'm supposed to feel sorry for people who take advantage of scarcity to gouge customers. Sure, its good business, but it won't make me like you very much.

Er, optimizing real estate isn't price gouging; it's as pure capitalism as they come. The value of the parking spots must be more profitable than the value of re-purposing your large, open, conveniently location field into anything else. That's why they offer parking for rent as opposed to turning it into the worlds largest Starbucks, conveniently located to major sporting events.


It is illegal for gas station owners to greatly increase prices in times of scarcity (or perceived imminent scarcity).

It is illegal for store owners to charge 10x MSRP for bottled water a week before Superstorm Alligator Farkhouse hits the coast.

Why is it legal for a parking company to charge $50 for a "free" parking spot for 4 hours on a particular day at a particular time of year? They're taking advantage of the same artificial scarcity.

/yeah yeah i know people don't need parking to live
 
2012-12-27 11:49:21 AM

Jack_Knopf:

That's where you're wrong. If there is one thing players AND owners of every major sport have learned it's "fark the fans, they'll be back." You know what's worse? They're 100% right.


Not this time. I have sworn off the NHL forever. Several friends feel the same way. We are just tired of being ignored and taken for granted by them. Believe me, my resolve is quite strong on this. Additionally I had the opportunity to get some signed sweaters and memorabilia recently. I declined telling the player that i was no longer interested in hockey thanks to Bettman.

Remember its not millionaires vs billionaires. Its billionaires vs everyone else. Now is the time to make your stand and point. Find something else that gives you even more enjoyment.
 
2012-12-27 11:50:45 AM

Rwa2play: There's a very fine line between "pure capitalism" and outright greed. Parking lot owners are the latter, not the former


Nobody is forcing you to park on their land.

grinding_journalist: It is illegal for gas station owners to greatly increase prices in times of scarcity (or perceived imminent scarcity).

It is illegal for store owners to charge 10x MSRP for bottled water a week before Superstorm Alligator Farkhouse hits the coast.


Just because there are other stupid laws that hurt consumers doesn't mean we need new ones.
 
2012-12-27 11:51:18 AM

bluorangefyre: Rwa2play: Crewmannumber6: DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]

This. Fark em

That and fark the NHL; the owners are going to find out the hard way how baseball fans felt after the '94-'95 strike. If the owners just throw up their hands and say "fark it, we don't care", they're going understand a very harsh lesson in how you never fark with the fans, no matter how much of a douchetard you are.

Donald Fehr is in charge of the NHLPA, and I blame him.


One question: why? Fehr was put in charge because the players were not kept in the loop and (essentially) had to bend over for the owners the last time and didn't like the experience. Fehr has been open and transparent with the rank and file, keeping them in the loop about how negotiations have been going. That's why the union has been strong throughout. If anything, it's Bettman and the owners that have been fractious about this

NEVERMIND that Bettman and the owners are greedy bastards and are behind this whole thing, I hold Donald Fehr 100% responsible for this mess.

/why yes the butthurt remains from 1994
//notice how smooth labor in baseball has been since Fehr left?


You realize that Fehr gave the thumbs up to the last CBA prior to this one right?

In retrospect, the '94-'95 strike was really 20 years in the making. The owners that had been around when Marvin Miller the PA leader had resented that they had exercised the right workers had fought for since the early 20th century. The only reason MLB had not been effected in the way other industries had been was due to the Reserve Clause. When Miller figured a way to circumvent it, the owners flipped and hated him ever since. The '72 lockout, the '81 strike, the collusion in the late 80s were partly due to the owners wanting to stick it to Miller for exposing what small-minded nimrods the owners were. Hell, look at the "Gentlemen's Agreement" that had been effect before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in 1947 as proof of the owners inherent stupidity.
 
2012-12-27 11:53:45 AM

MugzyBrown: Rwa2play: There's a very fine line between "pure capitalism" and outright greed. Parking lot owners are the latter, not the former

Nobody is forcing you to park on their land.


It's one thing when the ballpark is right across the street, it's another when it's 10 minutes (by foot) from the park itself.
 
2012-12-27 11:55:22 AM

Rwa2play: It's one thing when the ballpark is right across the street, it's another when it's 10 minutes (by foot) from the park itself.


Take a cab or train or bus. You won't have to pay for parking.
 
2012-12-27 11:58:06 AM

MugzyBrown: Rwa2play: It's one thing when the ballpark is right across the street, it's another when it's 10 minutes (by foot) from the park itself.

Take a cab or train or bus. You won't have to pay for parking.


To you and me yeah, no problem. To those who don't have that luxury: different story.
 
2012-12-27 12:01:02 PM

Jack_Knopf: That's where you're wrong. If there is one thing players AND owners of every major sport have learned it's "fark the fans, they'll be back." You know what's worse? They're 100% right.


I've said it before and I'll say it again: All I care about at this point is whether the league is still around in 2015 when the Islanders move to Brooklyn. Not sure whether or not Charles Wang has been on the Jeremy Jacobs side of this lockout, but he went above and beyond trying for years to keep the team on (colloquial) Long Island at serious personal expense. I'm good with him.

To somewhat connect this to the topic at hand: In three years there will be almost no reason to drive to/park at an Islanders game, while on the Nassau Coliseum site parking will be all you'll be able to do.
 
2012-12-27 12:09:31 PM

poisonedpawn78: Jack_Knopf:

That's where you're wrong. If there is one thing players AND owners of every major sport have learned it's "fark the fans, they'll be back." You know what's worse? They're 100% right.

Not this time. I have sworn off the NHL forever. Several friends feel the same way. We are just tired of being ignored and taken for granted by them. Believe me, my resolve is quite strong on this. Additionally I had the opportunity to get some signed sweaters and memorabilia recently. I declined telling the player that i was no longer interested in hockey thanks to Bettman.

Remember its not millionaires vs billionaires. Its billionaires vs everyone else. Now is the time to make your stand and point. Find something else that gives you even more enjoyment.


I swore off baseball after they cost us a series, but they're doing fine. There will always be a butt to fill your seat.

I wish the fans could organize somehow.
 
2012-12-27 12:12:37 PM

Rwa2play: To those who don't have that luxury: different story.


There are NHL arenas without access to cabs, busses, or trains?
 
2012-12-27 12:13:09 PM

poisonedpawn78: bluorangefyre: Rwa2play: Crewmannumber6: DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]

This. Fark em

That and fark the NHL; the owners are going to find out the hard way how baseball fans felt after the '94-'95 strike. If the owners just throw up their hands and say "fark it, we don't care", they're going understand a very harsh lesson in how you never fark with the fans, no matter how much of a douchetard you are.

Donald Fehr is in charge of the NHLPA, and I blame him.  NEVERMIND that Bettman and the owners are greedy bastards and are behind this whole thing, I hold Donald Fehr 100% responsible for this mess.

/why yes the butthurt remains from 1994
//notice how smooth labor in baseball has been since Fehr left?

This argument is the equivalent of blaming obama for the 15 trillion dollar debt the US has. Fehr has nothing to do with this lockout in hockey. All your MLB butthurt aside the owners locked the players out and haven't been negotiating in good faith. It has been an our way or the highway approach the entire time with deals that get worse as time goes on. The owners intent has always been to scrap the season and go with scabs/replacements in September. Fehr has NOTHING to do with that plan and he wont be able to stop it either. He is used to dealing ultimately with sane businessmen. Hockey owners are good old boys who would rather disband the club to stop homer from joining.


This. The destruction of the NHL is all on the owners and anyone who thinks the players are responsible for this is just completely ignorant of reality.

/I get a baseball fan still hating Fehr over the 1994 strike, mind you
//But Fehr is the lesser of the two evils in this matter
///F*ck you Bettman
 
2012-12-27 12:16:36 PM
FTFA
Stanhope Garage Inc., which operates three small parking lots near the Garden, typically takes in $6,000 per game by filling all of its 200 spaces, said owner Simon Gottlieb.


We're supposed to weep for this jackass who charges $30 a parking spot on game night? For what? Some guy he pays under the table to collect the cash and another one plucked off the street to wave a bright orange flag?

And I'm sure he was in a giving mood when the Bruins (and the Celtics) were in the finals of their respective sports. No way he would charge more than $30, right? RIGHT?

The lockout sucks, but I don't feel sorry for businesses who make it SOP to gouge people.
 
2012-12-27 12:21:19 PM

MugzyBrown: Just because there are other stupid laws that hurt consumers doesn't mean we need new ones.


Firstly, I didn't suggest we need new laws. We could do with many, many fewer laws, in fact. I was pointing out similarities between their industry and other artificial scarcity scenarios.

Secondly, I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian- the less gov't, the better, the less restrictions on people's lives via legislation, the better. However, calling consumer protections against despicable business practices "stupid laws" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Should a business be allowed to, without repercussion, intentionally defraud you in a transaction, just because "there aren't any laws against it?" I really don't think so, and by extension, I can't argue against laws that exist to protect the consumer, so long as they aren't impinging on my right to do business the way I see fit. The governments' job should be to protect life and property, and they wouldn't be protecting property without some legislation that protects the consumer and holds the business responsible for shady practices.

If you're going to retort with "I should be allowed to be a criminal", don't bother.
 
2012-12-27 12:29:55 PM

grinding_journalist: Should a business be allowed to, without repercussion, intentionally defraud you in a transaction, just because "there aren't any laws against it?"


That would be a breach of contract.

grinding_journalist: by extension, I can't argue against laws that exist to protect the consumer, so long as they aren't impinging on my right to do business the way I see fit



Well anti-gouging laws both hurt the consumer and impinge on your right to the business the way you see fit.
 
2012-12-27 12:51:50 PM
Nope, don't feel sorry for them one little bit.

Hell, the TDBanknorthorwhateveritisUFIAGarden is sitting right on top of North Station. Plenty of public transportation available.
 
2012-12-27 12:54:39 PM
I saw 8 goals get scored today while watching the WJC. I died a little inside each time.
 
2012-12-27 12:55:57 PM
It's kind of similar to what one Army officer said about a village destroyed by napalm in Vietnam -- "we had to destroy the village in order to save it." So Bettman and Fehr (two visionary guys thinking only about what's best for the sport) lead their respective gang of greed heads and pantloads toward the NHL Apocalypse. End result, both parties will get what they want -- the players will be able to sign up to play in Europe without having to put up with any BS from NHL owners and the owners won't have to worry about overpaying for talent that will never skate for them again.

I read the other day that with the NHL shut down, minor league hockey is doing boffo box office -- NOT! Teams in the American Hockey League are suffering through a dog of a season with attendance down anywhere from 10 to 25% from last year.
 
2012-12-27 01:13:44 PM
The NHL owners are stupid to keep up this "let's try to turn the players against Don Fehr" crap. One, it's not working at all, and two, once baseball realized "well, they mean business, let's treat them like partners and get a deal done" they've had labor peace and big bucks rolling in.
 
2012-12-27 01:56:05 PM
WTF is NHL?
 
2012-12-27 02:02:55 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: WTF is NHL?


No Hockey League
 
2012-12-27 02:48:08 PM
 
2012-12-27 03:41:19 PM

ElwoodCuse: The NHL owners are stupid to keep up this "let's try to turn the players against Don Fehr" crap. One, it's not working at all,


For the following reason: The previous head basically didn't communicate anything with the rank and file and so when it came time to resolve it a lot of the players didn't like the terms.

Fehr saw that, has done the exact opposite and because of this the players are more unified than perhaps they've ever been.

and two, once baseball realized "well, they mean business, let's treat them like partners and get a deal done" they've had labor peace and big bucks rolling in.

I've gotta feeling that won't happen until Bettman leaves and takes the Jacobs of the world with him.
 
2012-12-27 03:59:30 PM

Rwa2play: ElwoodCuse: The NHL owners are stupid to keep up this "let's try to turn the players against Don Fehr" crap. One, it's not working at all,

For the following reason: The previous head basically didn't communicate anything with the rank and file and so when it came time to resolve it a lot of the players didn't like the terms.

Fehr saw that, has done the exact opposite and because of this the players are more unified than perhaps they've ever been.


That and the owners' 1st proposal in this mess to cut the players' share of revenue from 57% to 47% (a roughly 17% pay cut, essentially) have unified the union. See the vote to dissolve the union has proof that it's still unified.
 
2012-12-27 04:14:00 PM
Why don't the players get investors and start their own league? They have the money and the star power.

Then they get a bigger chunk of the profits instead of 50%.
 
2012-12-27 04:22:40 PM

MugzyBrown: Why don't the players get investors and start their own league? They have the money and the star power.

Then they get a bigger chunk of the profits instead of 50%.


Alright.. let's say they do that. Even setting aside the investor question, what are they gonna do about venues, particularly when half of them are owned by the same people they're having trouble negotiating with now?
 
2012-12-27 04:23:59 PM

The Bestest: Alright.. let's say they do that. Even setting aside the investor question, what are they gonna do about venues, particularly when half of them are owned by the same people they're having trouble negotiating with now?


They will lease them, just like the owners did before they owned the buildings.
 
2012-12-27 04:42:11 PM

NuttierThanEver: I cannot believe I am typing this but I won't be going back or watching the NHL for a long time if ever again. I love hockey it is my favorite sport but after this horseshiat second lost season in less than a decade the NHL deserves to fold or contract down to 6 teams again to learn the lesson about killing the golden goose. Maybe a reformed league could finally take hockey out of the bush league level it's been in.


THIS.

I'm as die-hard as they come. Now I just choose to spend my die-hard money at CHL and NCAA games. Won't be going back to the NHL until AT LEAST 2015. My pops, who is a casual fan said to me last night "fark em, I'm never going back"

The league is going to suffer hard for this.
 
2012-12-27 04:45:19 PM

pregerstheHobo: NuttierThanEver: I cannot believe I am typing this but I won't be going back or watching the NHL for a long time if ever again. I love hockey it is my favorite sport but after this horseshiat second lost season in less than a decade the NHL deserves to fold or contract down to 6 teams again to learn the lesson about killing the golden goose. Maybe a reformed league could finally take hockey out of the bush league level it's been in.

THIS.

I'm as die-hard as they come. Now I just choose to spend my die-hard money at CHL and NCAA games. Won't be going back to the NHL until AT LEAST 2015. My pops, who is a casual fan said to me last night "fark em, I'm never going back"

The league is going to suffer hard for this.


The NHL owners are just dumb, they're line of thining is that of "Don't worry, the fans will come back. Always do." They never saw what happened to attendances in baseball when the 1995 season opened.
 
2012-12-27 04:53:38 PM

Rwa2play: The NHL owners are just dumb, they're line of thining is that of "Don't worry, the fans will come back. Always do." They never saw what happened to attendances in baseball when the 1995 season opened.


Baseball attendance is higher today than it was in 1993.
Now, could the growth have been even greater if they managed to work things out without losing a Series? Probably. The converse argument is that without the 1994 strike, (labor) conditions in MLB would've continued to deteriorate to.. well.. NHL or worse levels.
 
2012-12-28 12:31:19 AM

Jack_Knopf: Rwa2play: Crewmannumber6: DanZero: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x285]

This. Fark em

That and fark the NHL; the owners are going to find out the hard way how baseball fans felt after the '94-'95 strike. If the owners just throw up their hands and say "fark it, we don't care", they're going understand a very harsh lesson in how you never fark with the fans, no matter how much of a douchetard you are.

That's where you're wrong. If there is one thing players AND owners of every major sport have learned it's "fark the fans, they'll be back." You know what's worse? They're 100% right.


My family never returned to baseball after that. We were diehard Cubs fans (is there any other kind?) But with the way the league carried on, even Ryno coming back from retirement wasn't enough to lure us back.

We knew that the Cubs were intentionally managed to be perennial underdogs and we were fine with that-- there were enough intangibles associated with the team to make it worthwhile. But when those politics spilled all over the place to locking out the players?

Fark 'em. Sports leagues are entertainment cartels, that is all. When the owners forget that their primary obligation is to viewers and fans who support their teams, then they deserve to collapse. Another sport, another league can replace any other out there when the BS gets too thick.

The only thing that has prevented MLB from collapsing altogether is that the players union came out on top and the owners haven't had the courage to threaten the union again with glass parking lot tactics.

Hell hath no fury like a fan scorned. And if you betray your fan base again and again, it will turn on you. I have a very low thresshold, most others have a higher tolerance for these hijinks. But toy with their emotions enough and viewership will collapse and never recover. Those eyes will migrate to sports with less ownership drama.
 
2012-12-28 10:25:41 AM
This just in: the owners have presented a new offer. Link

Details:

• Term limit on player contracts moves to six years from the five years NHL asked in previous offers (seven years if you're re-signing your own player). (So much for 5 years being the "hill they will die on.")

• Year-to-year salary variance moves from 5 percent (NHL's previous offers) to 10 percent.

• Each team will be allowed one compliance buyout before the 2013-14 season that will not count against the salary cap but will count against the players' share.

• The Make Whole provision stays at $300 million.
 
2012-12-28 10:52:49 AM

desertgeek: This just in: the owners have presented a new offer. Link.


That's a solid compromise.
 
2012-12-28 12:26:23 PM

Primitive Screwhead: desertgeek: This just in: the owners have presented a new offer. Link.

That's a solid compromise.


It seems, based off of things I'm reading from various sources, that this could get the ball rolling again towards a deal. The PA might suggest a couple of tweaks since it sounds like it's a very detailed offer, but I could see the main details (contract term, CBA term, "Make Whole", revenue share) being agreed to.
 
2012-12-28 12:29:05 PM
Players may want to move some stuff around a little bit but I agree this is pretty significant movement by the league. Let's get this done Bettman and Fehr!
 
2012-12-28 12:53:30 PM

KarlMaldensNose: Players may want to move some stuff around a little bit but I agree this is pretty significant movement by the league. Let's get this done Bettman and Fehr!


Yes, and then both of them should retire immediately.
 
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