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2012-12-27 02:47:55 PM  

LL316: /The Hobbit can fark off and die, though.


YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
 
2012-12-27 03:06:52 PM  

LlamaGirl: LL316: /The Hobbit can fark off and die, though.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!


The Hobbit is very weird. On the one hand they were clearly reaching for material, on the other they still decided to make it almost three hours long. They played the dwarves for mostly comedic effect but still tried to make their journey as serious as LOTR. Hopefully the next two movies end up being more cohesive.
 
2012-12-27 03:07:39 PM  
www.fact.co.uk

This is the only Star Trek Movie that is like the original series. While most would consider it ok, to good, even more consider it boring and some not worth a rewatch.

Gene Roddenberry's version of ST is what we in the Star Trek Community, generally piss on. All you have to do is look to Star Wars to see the same thing. Best movie of the series? Empire Strikes Back... the one he had the LEAST amount of control over and did the LEAST amount of editing.

2009 get's biatchslapped on the internet by Trekkies who ADORE Wrath of Kahn. And this hypocrisy is totally amusing.
 
2012-12-27 03:10:00 PM  

WTF Indeed: These new star wars movies are going to be awesomely bad. I can't wait for Johnny Depp to be the new Han.


You must be joking.

I was watching Episode III in the theater my wife. We could see the build-up...we could see Anakin's path was going to converge ...unpleasantly... with the jedilings. As one, we both stood up and walked out. Enough was enough.

I LOVED the original trilogy. I've still got my boxes of Star Wars toys from the 70's. All my life, I was dying to see that fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin that created Vader... but Lucas, in three long, slow, merciless acts killed my joy for his creation. I just didn't care to see how his story ended. I can't see how anyone could do WORSE.

Yeah, yeah, CSB.
 
2012-12-27 03:10:21 PM  
Yes well we always have Joss Whedon.
 
2012-12-27 03:12:20 PM  

odinsposse: LlamaGirl: LL316: /The Hobbit can fark off and die, though.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

The Hobbit is very weird. On the one hand they were clearly reaching for material, on the other they still decided to make it almost three hours long. They played the dwarves for mostly comedic effect but still tried to make their journey as serious as LOTR. Hopefully the next two movies end up being more cohesive.


Here's the problem with The Hobbit:

The movie was almost unadulterated fan service. Not for people who love the original books, but for people who love ALL of Tolkien's legendarium: Unfinished Tales, History of Middle-Earth, LOTR Appendices, The Silmarillion, etc.... I, for one, loved it. But I am a Tolkien geek. The movie was made for people like me (during the scene where Gandalf couldn't recall the name of the other two wizards, I was the only one in the theatre who called out "Alatar and Pallando!").

Tolkien fans will love the additional material but because they know it so well it doesn't feel like a departure in narrative nor does it bog things down in unnecessary distractions or detours -- everything is essential to them.

For people unfamiliar with Tolkien, however, the dense amount of backstory and motive might be a little daunting and will affect their ability to enjoy the story properly.

What I recommend is that you go see it with a Tolkien geek so he can answer any questions you might have but he probably would not have be able to shut up for several hours once you get him going.
 
2012-12-27 03:13:17 PM  

odinsposse: LlamaGirl: LL316: /The Hobbit can fark off and die, though.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

The Hobbit is very weird. On the one hand they were clearly reaching for material, on the other they still decided to make it almost three hours long. They played the dwarves for mostly comedic effect but still tried to make their journey as serious as LOTR. Hopefully the next two movies end up being more cohesive.


I loved it! It felt like someone took one of my groups' D&D sessions and made it a movie. A+++, will watch again!
 
2012-12-27 03:18:23 PM  
Thats a shame I would have liked to see Luke drinking a Shlusho
 
2012-12-27 03:22:18 PM  

spidermann: Plot holes = read the comic miniseries before watching the movie. It is all explained.


kunochan.com

Why do I need to read a comic to understand a movie's plot?

RevRaven: Yeah, JJ turned Star Trek into Star Wars.


... Complete with the gratuitous destruction of a peaceful planet. My head just exploded.

Techhell: Seriously, Star Trek Lensflare was nothing but a naked cash grab. Capitalize on characters who have crossed over into mainstream culture ("Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here."), put together a story with just enough nods to the source material to make it look like they know it, pick beautiful people and make it very action-oriented. Then deliberately belittle the original series to have a built in defense against arguments that "This isn't Star Trek." before the movie even comes out, and voila.


I don't think they deliberately set out to do it. I think Abrams' is just friggin' lazy.

"Nevermind that Jim Kirk had to have been naturally driven to become Starfleet's youngest captain and Spock already had issues being half-human we need instant wangst and motivation. Let's whack their parents."

Jim from Saint Paul: This is the only Star Trek Movie that is like the original series. While most would consider it ok, to good, even more consider it boring and some not worth a rewatch.


Balance Of Terror, The Gaileo Seven, City On The Edge Of Forever, and The Doomsday Machine beg to differ, and those are just the episodes I can rattle off-hand that had more action and/or drama than The Motionless Picture.
 
2012-12-27 03:31:11 PM  
I read the Tolkien books in the  early 1980s, when I was 11 or 12, and while they were great as a kid, I tried to pick them up later as an adult, and just find them meh, which is why I never saw the movies, and that also my childhood imagination was great than Hollywoods attempt to cash in on franchise that hits the new psuedo nerd demographic.  This coming from a guy who went to comic cons when it was mostly uggos, tubbos, and fat chicks, before they hired hookers to be booth babes, or your mildly slutter girl next door was walking around dressed like Princess Leia...

Star Wards, the original three were great movies as a kid, fantasy with spaceships and aliens, really all it was a great pirate adventure.  With most of it certainly lifted liberally from Frank Herberts Dune.

The original Star Trek was amusing schock, a bit of pulp with a few ideas that were considered ground breaking(1 black girl, albeit a telephone operator) a womanizer, a scottish drunk, and a cold hearted know it all.  It was better than Lost in Space but not by much.

There is no one in the Star Trek Universe as cool as Han Solo.
 
2012-12-27 03:36:26 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The Motionless Picture


Heh ... that's pure awesome.

/might have to steal it
 
2012-12-27 03:39:01 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: I liked the new Star Trek, but that's a funny headline.

Can't think of any excuse to hide a starship under the ocean, though. The more I think about it, the dumber it seems...


Futurama answered this:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

It is to test suppositories. Duh!
 
2012-12-27 03:44:27 PM  
If a starship is on the run an ocean can be a good place to hide, and a starships sealed enviroment is perfect for an underwater hideway.

Much easier to hide it there than on land.
 
2012-12-27 03:44:36 PM  

theflatline: There is no one in the Star Trek Universe as cool as Han Solo.


3.bp.blogspot.com

"Han who?"

upload.wikimedia.org

"Beats me."
 
2012-12-27 03:47:08 PM  

texdent: NERD FIGHT!!!

On a related note: X-Wing vs Defiant


Defiant de-cloaks and blows up the X-Wing.

Now I have a better fight, Shuttle craft vs Death Star.
 
2012-12-27 03:47:48 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face:
Jim from Saint Paul: This is the only Star Trek Movie that is like the original series. While most would consider it ok, to good, even more consider it boring and some not worth a rewatch.

Balance Of Terror, The Gaileo Seven, City On The Edge Of Forever, and The Doomsday Machine beg to differ, and those are just the episodes I can rattle off-hand that had more action and/or drama than The Motionless Picture.


Balance of Terror = No Gene.

TG7 = No Gene.

CoteoF = No Gene.

TDM = No Gene.

Which proves my point. When Gene and his "vision" aren't involved, the shows are generally more interesting and involve more action.

TheMotionPicture fit the tone that Gene was looking for in the original series. He produced the thing and it shows.
 
2012-12-27 03:48:02 PM  

jj325: I enjoy being a casual fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars.  The Abrams Star Trek for me was one of the best Star Trek movies ever---right up there with Wrath of Khan and First Contact


Same here. ( although I didn't think First Contact was that good, I'd replace it with Star Trek VI, personally)
 
2012-12-27 03:52:46 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: theflatline: There is no one in the Star Trek Universe as cool as Han Solo.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 664x494]

"Han who?"

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x305]

"Beats me."


Do either of them have a wookie?  And can either of them run their starship with only 1 crew member and fix it themselves?
 
2012-12-27 03:53:46 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Balance of Terror = No Gene.

TG7 = No Gene.

CoteoF = No Gene.

TDM = No Gene.

Which proves my point. When Gene and his "vision" aren't involved, the shows are generally more interesting and involve more action.

TheMotionPicture fit the tone that Gene was looking for in the original series. He produced the thing and it shows.


Gene's vision wasn't the problem. Star Trek's nearly fifty years old and its concept is still as viable now as it was back in '66. He was great with concept. Its when he took the reins with production, that's where you get dreck like The Cage, TMP, and Encounter At Farpoint.
 
2012-12-27 03:56:50 PM  

theflatline: Do either of them have a wookie?  And can either of them run their starship with only 1 crew member and fix it themselves?


Oh, you're looking for a nerd fight. Nevermind.

Kirk's genes are spread across half the quadrant and Sisko is the boogeyman Cardassians tell their children about at night. That defines 'cool' to me.
 
2012-12-27 03:57:32 PM  

theflatline: If a starship is on the run an ocean can be a good place to hide, and a starships sealed enviroment is perfect for an underwater hideway.

Much easier to hide it there than on land.


Leela: Professor, how many atmospheres of pressure can the ship handle?
Professor: Well since is was designed for space travel I'd say somewhere between one and zero.
 
2012-12-27 04:06:20 PM  

theflatline:
There is no one in the Star Trek Universe as cool as Han Solo.


There is no one in the Star Wars Universe as hot as Seven of Nine.

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-27 04:08:09 PM  
I have to admit. I liked all six Star Wars movies. I liked the new Star Trek. I liked the hobbit. Undiscovered Country and First Contact are the two best Star Trek movies.

I don't know what everyone is complaining about
 
2012-12-27 04:10:01 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: Apparently they weren't seen going in. Nothing says they have to pull up next to the cliff and just dive right in there. Probably dropped in the water far away and pulled up next to land. Likely were going to try to get out the same way until Kirk snuck into the village and got all grabby with their artifacts. The whole plan kind of went to shiat at that point.


I got the impression that WAS the plan.

Grab the artifact, get the entire tribe to chase you.... out of the eruption zone.
 
2012-12-27 04:10:07 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Jim from Saint Paul: Balance of Terror = No Gene.

TG7 = No Gene.

CoteoF = No Gene.

TDM = No Gene.

Which proves my point. When Gene and his "vision" aren't involved, the shows are generally more interesting and involve more action.

TheMotionPicture fit the tone that Gene was looking for in the original series. He produced the thing and it shows.

Gene's vision wasn't the problem. Star Trek's nearly fifty years old and its concept is still as viable now as it was back in '66. He was great with concept. Its when he took the reins with production, that's where you get dreck like The Cage, TMP, and Encounter At Farpoint.


Are we debating the same side at this point?
 
2012-12-27 04:11:25 PM  

This Face Left Blank: I don't know how anyone can like Star Wars over Star Trek, and I say that as someone who was eleven and a huge fan when the Episode IV: A New Hope came out.


Because Star Wars was FAR more inventive than Star Trek. In Trek, every alien looks like a person in an alien suit, and all of the quandaries are basically the same as you see in any other TV show. Star Wars was better, more imagination involved.

Then he had to go and start farking with shiat.

And THEN he had to go and make the prequels.

Star Trek is now better than what Lucas' McMovie =Franchise has turned into...
 
2012-12-27 04:11:38 PM  

StrikitRich: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

Not that good. There were plot holes big enough to drive a truck through and while I'll admit it was a fun movie, I don't consider it to be cannon.


You don't get to decide what is and what is not artillery.
 
2012-12-27 04:14:30 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I have to admit. I liked all six Star Wars movies. I liked the new Star Trek. I liked the hobbit. Undiscovered Country and First Contact are the two best Star Trek movies.


ct.fra.bz
 
2012-12-27 04:14:34 PM  
www.raybendici.com

/oblig
 
2012-12-27 04:18:52 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: theflatline: There is no one in the Star Trek Universe as cool as Han Solo.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 664x494]

"Han who?"

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x305]

"Beats me."


I love you.
 
2012-12-27 04:20:17 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Are we debating the same side at this point?


I think so.
 
2012-12-27 04:24:01 PM  

Ishkur: during the scene where Gandalf couldn't recall the name of the other two wizards, I was the only one in the theatre who called out "Alatar and Pallando!


www.mastersinit.org
 
2012-12-27 04:27:29 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Jim from Saint Paul: Are we debating the same side at this point?

I think so.


So we disagree on 2009, yet we both think the best episodes of ST:TOS are the more actiony ones that don't involves Nazis/Gangsters/whatever-leftover-sets-and-wardrobes-were-available-fr om-other-shows-at-the-time?
 
2012-12-27 04:47:40 PM  

born_yesterday: zedster: LlamaGirl: jj325: I enjoy being a casual fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars.  The Abrams Star Trek for me was one of the best Star Trek movies ever---right up there with Wrath of Khan and First Contact

I completely agree. I really enjoyed the heck out of the new Star Trek. But I guess we're a minority now around these here parts so you might want to put on a helmet or something before people start throwing rocks.

I think it was enjoyable, just would have been the same film outside of the ST universe. Galaxy Quest had more of the ST esthetic to it then the new film

Galaxy Quest was more fun AND had more heart than Space Adventure: Who's Paying the Electric Bills? could ever hope to.


Unfortunately for me it involved Tim Allen.  And i can't stand Tim Allen
 
2012-12-27 04:57:17 PM  

LL316: LlamaGirl: jj325: I enjoy being a casual fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars.  The Abrams Star Trek for me was one of the best Star Trek movies ever---right up there with Wrath of Khan and First Contact

I completely agree. I really enjoyed the heck out of the new Star Trek. But I guess we're a minority now around these here parts so you might want to put on a helmet or something before people start throwing rocks.

I'm with you guys. And I'll say it - I found every single Star Wars to be entertaining. Good movies? Nope. But entertaining, which was the point.

/The Hobbit can fark off and die, though.


RevRaven: A young man grows up without a father, but hearing of his legacy. He's troubled, he feels trapped at his home, and that he's meant for bigger things, but just can't get away.

A wise older man comes along, who knew his father and convinces him to start working towards his destiny. The young man does so. But before he can finish his training, he's thrown into a circumstance where he's really not ready, but he's going to have to try to overcome anyway. The villain arrives and uses his super weapon and the heroes are unable to stop him. Using his quick wits and natural abilities the young man over comes his adversity and returns to help his new friends as they prepare go make a stand against the villain and his super weapon. The villain moves into position and at the last possible moment, the young man stops the villain and his super weapon. He's realizing his destiny, perhaps a bit later than is normal, but he is becoming his own man and is living up to his father's legacy.

Yeah, JJ turned Star Trek into Star Wars.


I thought you were describing Harry Potter
 
2012-12-27 05:16:35 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Why do I need to read a comic to understand a movie's plot?


because 21st century. that's why.
 
2012-12-27 05:42:47 PM  

jj325: LL316: LlamaGirl: jj325: I enjoy being a casual fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars.  The Abrams Star Trek for me was one of the best Star Trek movies ever---right up there with Wrath of Khan and First Contact

I completely agree. I really enjoyed the heck out of the new Star Trek. But I guess we're a minority now around these here parts so you might want to put on a helmet or something before people start throwing rocks.

I'm with you guys. And I'll say it - I found every single Star Wars to be entertaining. Good movies? Nope. But entertaining, which was the point.

/The Hobbit can fark off and die, though.

RevRaven: A young man grows up without a father, but hearing of his legacy. He's troubled, he feels trapped at his home, and that he's meant for bigger things, but just can't get away.

A wise older man comes along, who knew his father and convinces him to start working towards his destiny. The young man does so. But before he can finish his training, he's thrown into a circumstance where he's really not ready, but he's going to have to try to overcome anyway. The villain arrives and uses his super weapon and the heroes are unable to stop him. Using his quick wits and natural abilities the young man over comes his adversity and returns to help his new friends as they prepare go make a stand against the villain and his super weapon. The villain moves into position and at the last possible moment, the young man stops the villain and his super weapon. He's realizing his destiny, perhaps a bit later than is normal, but he is becoming his own man and is living up to his father's legacy.

Yeah, JJ turned Star Trek into Star Wars.

I thought you were describing Harry Potter


I thought he was riffing on Joseph Campbell's concept of the monomyth/hero's journey.
 
2012-12-27 06:16:11 PM  
While 7 of 9 is hot, she is a dime a dozen blond hot. The kind nerds hunger for from the sidelines.

Carrie Fisher young had the girl next door with a bad streak sexiness too her.

Not to mention Natalie Portman is hot as well.

thisrecording.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-27 06:25:57 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Easter eggs are exactly that. Only easter eggs.


A farm boy that dreams of adventure in space is taken under the wing of a wise old mentor that knew the farm boy's father. The farmboy then goes on to take on defeat a vessel capable of destroying planets.

Am I talking about Star Wars or Star Trek?
 
2012-12-27 06:28:41 PM  

Kaybeck: Jim from Saint Paul: Easter eggs are exactly that. Only easter eggs.

A farm boy that dreams of adventure in space is taken under the wing of a wise old mentor that knew the farm boy's father. The farmboy then goes on to take on defeat a vessel capable of destroying planets.

Am I talking about Star Wars or Star Trek?


Yes.
 
2012-12-27 07:10:59 PM  
Hmm... So who should play Jaina Solo? Discuss.
 
2012-12-27 07:23:24 PM  
Star Trek was always "Nerds in Space". Kirk was what every nerd wished he could be; intelligent and talented, but also a killer with the ladies.

Oh yeah, and he commanded a freaking starship.

Then Abrams came along and tuned it into "Frat Boys in Space". That's why so many nerds are pissed off and why that oft-posted Onion video is so accurate. And I'm saying this as a nerd myself. I didn't mind the plot holes so much (red matter wasn't too much worse than the Genesis Device or anything else) but I just couldn't stand the characters. I couldn't relate to them at all. The whole thing just felt like bad fan fiction to me.

On the other hand, I loved the hell out of Battleship. It was basically the same story--young hothead wasting his talents is about to be kicked out of the service when disaster happens and he has to rise to the challenge and save the day--but with Battleship it wasn't shiatting all over previously established characters that nerds had grown to love. Plus, the main character in Battleship has an actual character arc and learns some humility, and as such is far more likeable and sympathetic.

He also isn't made a captain of the flagship of the fleet at the end of the movie.

Now the voiceover in one of the recent trailers suggest that they're going to deal with that (Kirk learning humility) so I'm still somewhat looking forward to the new movie, but I still can't help but feel that disappointment that Star Trek is no longer really for nerds like me. It's just the same as Transformers now.

And no, I'm not going to criticize anyone else for enjoying it. I think it's great that people have different tastes, and my opinions only apply to me. But that said, I definitely am glad Abrams won't be having anything to do with Star Wars.
 
2012-12-27 08:19:20 PM  
An honest list of best-ever Star Trek episodes would probably have more Rick Berman credits than Roddenberry. Roddenberry (with Bob Justman) was really TNG's showrunner for only the first season. When it really hit its stride in the 3rd season it was Berman in charge. He gets a lot of shiat and not enough credit.
 
2012-12-27 08:55:23 PM  

Ishkur: odinsposse: LlamaGirl: LL316: /The Hobbit can fark off and die, though.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

The Hobbit is very weird. On the one hand they were clearly reaching for material, on the other they still decided to make it almost three hours long. They played the dwarves for mostly comedic effect but still tried to make their journey as serious as LOTR. Hopefully the next two movies end up being more cohesive.

Here's the problem with The Hobbit:

The movie was almost unadulterated fan service. Not for people who love the original books, but for people who love ALL of Tolkien's legendarium: Unfinished Tales, History of Middle-Earth, LOTR Appendices, The Silmarillion, etc.... I, for one, loved it. But I am a Tolkien geek. The movie was made for people like me (during the scene where Gandalf couldn't recall the name of the other two wizards, I was the only one in the theatre who called out "Alatar and Pallando!").

Tolkien fans will love the additional material but because they know it so well it doesn't feel like a departure in narrative nor does it bog things down in unnecessary distractions or detours -- everything is essential to them.

For people unfamiliar with Tolkien, however, the dense amount of backstory and motive might be a little daunting and will affect their ability to enjoy the story properly.

What I recommend is that you go see it with a Tolkien geek so he can answer any questions you might have but he probably would not have be able to shut up for several hours once you get him going.


I haven't seen it yet, but remember interviews and rumors from before and during production
Isn't the new trilogy supposed to provide bridging material to LotR?
It may even be based on books that were released after Silmarillion (which was the last book I read in that 'verse, and that was loooog ago when it was first released)
It seems to me that there was a book released about Saurons re-emergence...

Anyway all the complaints that I've read about other than the new FPS HD thingy are about how the hobbit's been streached to encompase a trilogy and there isn't enough book to cover 3 movies

but I don't believe that's the case

It's also about Saurons rise in mirkwood and return to mordor
 
2012-12-27 10:24:32 PM  

bluorangefyre: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

THIS!  If anybody ruined Star Trek it was Rick Berman and whoever the other guy was who took over Trek after Roddenberry died.


DING DING DING we have a winnar!
 
2012-12-27 10:33:07 PM  

Starhawk: Jizz Master Zero: Apparently they weren't seen going in. Nothing says they have to pull up next to the cliff and just dive right in there. Probably dropped in the water far away and pulled up next to land. Likely were going to try to get out the same way until Kirk snuck into the village and got all grabby with their artifacts. The whole plan kind of went to shiat at that point.

I got the impression that WAS the plan.

Grab the artifact, get the entire tribe to chase you.... out of the eruption zone.


Damn. Never even considered that. It makes way more sense now. Much better than, "Hey, Kirk, no violatee Prime Directive." "But... stuff!"
 
2012-12-27 11:15:19 PM  

RevRaven: A young man grows up without a father, but hearing of his legacy. He's troubled, he feels trapped at his home, and that he's meant for bigger things, but just can't get away.

A wise older man comes along, who knew his father and convinces him to start working towards his destiny. The young man does so. But before he can finish his training, he's thrown into a circumstance where he's really not ready, but he's going to have to try to overcome anyway. The villain arrives and uses his super weapon and the heroes are unable to stop him. Using his quick wits and natural abilities the young man over comes his adversity and returns to help his new friends as they prepare go make a stand against the villain and his super weapon. The villain moves into position and at the last possible moment, the young man stops the villain and his super weapon. He's realizing his destiny, perhaps a bit later than is normal, but he is becoming his own man and is living up to his father's legacy.

Yeah, JJ turned Star Trek into Star Wars.


And that's why I loved it. It was a better Star Wars movies than Episode I. (And a better Star Trek movie than Insurrection and Nemesis)

Besides, it could have been worse. Do you remember when Gene Roddenberry turned Star Trek into 2001: A Space Odyssey?
 
2012-12-28 12:26:10 AM  

Farking Canuck: But the great reviews combined with the extreme amounts of profit suggest that they are probably happy with their decision.


?

I think everyone thinks ST:09 made a lot more money than it really did. Considering that the studio gets about half of the box office total, you have to double your budget, plus factor in advertising and print costs and it gets much close to 3x budget to break even (not counting video and tv releases). There are three numbers to consider the profitability of a film. Budget, domestic gross and worldwide (including domestic). Those numbers were 140, 257, and 385. It probably squeaked into the black, but not by a ton.
 
2012-12-28 12:53:01 AM  

mjbok: I think everyone thinks ST:09 made a lot more money than it really did. Considering that the studio gets about half of the box office total, you have to double your budget, plus factor in advertising and print costs and it gets much close to 3x budget to break even (not counting video and tv releases). There are three numbers to consider the profitability of a film. Budget, domestic gross and worldwide (including domestic). Those numbers were 140, 257, and 385. It probably squeaked into the black, but not by a ton.


And DVD/BluRay sales are gravy ... giant buckets of gold plated gravy.

Box-office is the old school way of looking at things. Modern movies keep paying long after they are out of the theaters.
 
2012-12-28 01:13:11 AM  

jj325: LL316: LlamaGirl: jj325: I enjoy being a casual fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars.  The Abrams Star Trek for me was one of the best Star Trek movies ever---right up there with Wrath of Khan and First Contact

I completely agree. I really enjoyed the heck out of the new Star Trek. But I guess we're a minority now around these here parts so you might want to put on a helmet or something before people start throwing rocks.

I'm with you guys. And I'll say it - I found every single Star Wars to be entertaining. Good movies? Nope. But entertaining, which was the point.

/The Hobbit can fark off and die, though.

RevRaven: A young man grows up without a father, but hearing of his legacy. He's troubled, he feels trapped at his home, and that he's meant for bigger things, but just can't get away.

A wise older man comes along, who knew his father and convinces him to start working towards his destiny. The young man does so. But before he can finish his training, he's thrown into a circumstance where he's really not ready, but he's going to have to try to overcome anyway. The villain arrives and uses his super weapon and the heroes are unable to stop him. Using his quick wits and natural abilities the young man over comes his adversity and returns to help his new friends as they prepare go make a stand against the villain and his super weapon. The villain moves into position and at the last possible moment, the young man stops the villain and his super weapon. He's realizing his destiny, perhaps a bit later than is normal, but he is becoming his own man and is living up to his father's legacy.

Yeah, JJ turned Star Trek into Star Wars.

I thought you were describing Harry Potter


Wait, are you actually describing Lord of the Rings?
 
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