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2012-12-27 10:48:59 AM  
But Star Trek was good.

Besides, Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.
 
2012-12-27 11:10:16 AM  

LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.


THIS!  If anybody ruined Star Trek it was Rick Berman and whoever the other guy was who took over Trek after Roddenberry died.
 
2012-12-27 11:17:13 AM  

LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.


good film? meh, it was fun but I refuse to call any film with Tyler Perry in it good

I felt it was an enjoyable action flick but failed to use any of the Star Trek moral quandaries, it just ran over itself

That being said Star Wars in the movies themselves was a space opera and not too scifi-y so it actually would be better helmed by JJ "Lens Flair" Abrams
 
2012-12-27 11:34:51 AM  
Congrats on the new green First National Bastard!
 
2012-12-27 11:36:57 AM  
Why would he need to take on Star Wars? He's already trying to turn Star Trek  into Star Wars. Hell, he had R2-D2 in the last movie, for crying out loud.
 
2012-12-27 11:40:14 AM  
Oh I can see I am going to have alot of fun in this thread...


angrymacface: Why would he need to take on Star Wars? He's already trying to turn Star Trek  into Star Wars. Hell, he had R2-D2 in the last movie, for crying out loud.


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2012-12-27 11:41:55 AM  

LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

Besides, Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.


I don't know how anyone can like Star Wars over Star Trek, and I say that as someone who was eleven and a huge fan when the Episode IV: A New Hope came out. The new Trek reboot was fun, good-looking, full of action and had a great cast. I just hope - for the love of all that's holy - they aren't gonna use existing movies and episodes as the basis for every new Trek movie from hereon out.
 
2012-12-27 11:42:18 AM  

bluorangefyre: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

THIS!  If anybody ruined Star Trek it was Rick Berman and whoever the other guy was who took over Trek after Roddenberry died.


I must respectfully disagree. Berman and Co. turned it from the scattershot "where are we going today, kids?" to the serial story lines and arcs. Having a story to tell is far better than a collection of vignettes.
 
2012-12-27 11:43:10 AM  
These new star wars movies are going to be awesomely bad. I can't wait for Johnny Depp to be the new Han.
 
2012-12-27 11:45:14 AM  
JJ Abrams and I have something in common. I'll be passing on this too.
 
2012-12-27 11:48:21 AM  
I liked the new Star Trek, but that's a funny headline.

Can't think of any excuse to hide a starship under the ocean, though. The more I think about it, the dumber it seems...
 
2012-12-27 11:52:07 AM  

the_innkeeper: bluorangefyre: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

THIS!  If anybody ruined Star Trek it was Rick Berman and whoever the other guy was who took over Trek after Roddenberry died.

I must respectfully disagree. Berman and Co. turned it from the scattershot "where are we going today, kids?" to the serial story lines and arcs. Having a story to tell is far better than a collection of vignettes.


Sure, but he did so really badly. Berman and Braga didn't screw up star wars by trying to do the wrong thing (often their ideas were pretty good, in fact) the problem was, neither of them have any goddamn talent, so they executed those ideas poorly.
 
2012-12-27 11:54:40 AM  

Gunther: Berman and Braga didn't screw up star wars


Oh goddammit. I'm clearly still too hungover to be on Fark. That should obviously be Star Trek.
 
2012-12-27 11:56:46 AM  
his sort of makes sense, if he's a huge fan he'd be loath to do anything that could ruin it for him, like say adding a comic relief character such as Jar Jar Binks

Where as not being a fan of trek allows him to screw around and up it's already messy universe by pulling the time travel reboot, and the macguffin red goo
 
2012-12-27 11:59:44 AM  

bluorangefyre: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

THIS!  If anybody ruined Star Trek it was Rick Berman and whoever the other guy was who took over Trek after Roddenberry died.



Brannon Braga. To add insult to injury for millions of Trekkers, he was also banging Jeri Ryan for a while.
 
2012-12-27 12:02:38 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: I liked the new Star Trek, but that's a funny headline.

Can't think of any excuse to hide a starship under the ocean, though. The more I think about it, the dumber it seems...


The trailer shows a ship crashing into the water. Why are people NOT assuming that's the ship being towed/taken OUT of it in some way?
 
2012-12-27 12:03:17 PM  

zedster: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

good film? meh, it was fun but I refuse to call any film with Tyler Perry in it good

I felt it was an enjoyable action flick but failed to use any of the Star Trek moral quandaries, it just ran over itself

That being said Star Wars in the movies themselves was a space opera and not too scifi-y so it actually would be better helmed by JJ "Lens Flair" Abrams


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
2012-12-27 12:11:46 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Rev. Skarekroe: I liked the new Star Trek, but that's a funny headline.

Can't think of any excuse to hide a starship under the ocean, though. The more I think about it, the dumber it seems...

The trailer shows a ship crashing into the water. Why are people NOT assuming that's the ship being towed/taken OUT of it in some way?


Because in the preview before The Hobbit they clearly showed the Enterprise was hiding in the ocean of a pre-warp society. Now, why did they not beam down or use shuttlecraft had not been addressed.
 
2012-12-27 12:13:13 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Rev. Skarekroe: I liked the new Star Trek, but that's a funny headline.

Can't think of any excuse to hide a starship under the ocean, though. The more I think about it, the dumber it seems...

The trailer shows a ship crashing into the water. Why are people NOT assuming that's the ship being towed/taken OUT of it in some way?


***SPOILERS***

It's right in the first ten minutes that they showed before The Hobbit's opening weekend IMAX showings. They're on a planet that's going to experience a cataclysmic event and they're trying to avoid being seen by the primitive natives while preventing the event. They're forced to keep the Enterprise nearby without violating the Prime Directive and thus are hiding it under an ocean, which Scotty really, really, really doesn't approve of. Guess who violates the Prime Directive anyway when he sees something shiny?
 
2012-12-27 12:14:16 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: zedster: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

good film? meh, it was fun but I refuse to call any film with Tyler Perry in it good

I felt it was an enjoyable action flick but failed to use any of the Star Trek moral quandaries, it just ran over itself

That being said Star Wars in the movies themselves was a space opera and not too scifi-y so it actually would be better helmed by JJ "Lens Flair" Abrams

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


TO BE THE LENS, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE LENS!
 
2012-12-27 12:15:54 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: zedster: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

good film? meh, it was fun but I refuse to call any film with Tyler Perry in it good

I felt it was an enjoyable action flick but failed to use any of the Star Trek moral quandaries, it just ran over itself

That being said Star Wars in the movies themselves was a space opera and not too scifi-y so it actually would be better helmed by JJ "Lens Flair" Abrams

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


this is what happens when I do too many things at once
 
2012-12-27 12:15:56 PM  

LlamaGirl: Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-27 12:16:56 PM  

Richard_The_Clown: Jim from Saint Paul: Rev. Skarekroe: I liked the new Star Trek, but that's a funny headline.

Can't think of any excuse to hide a starship under the ocean, though. The more I think about it, the dumber it seems...

The trailer shows a ship crashing into the water. Why are people NOT assuming that's the ship being towed/taken OUT of it in some way?

Because in the preview before The Hobbit they clearly showed the Enterprise was hiding in the ocean of a pre-warp society. Now, why did they not beam down or use shuttlecraft had not been addressed.


Dammit...

But that bolded part was explained. ***SPOILERS AGAIN*** The volcanic activity was unexpectedly farking with the transporters and (if I remember right) they only wanted to risk having one shuttle flying around and that one had Sulu and Uhura dropping Spock into the volcano.
 
2012-12-27 12:19:53 PM  

Kyro: LlamaGirl: Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.

[i.imgur.com image 474x379]


You too fight nice. Also, Episode I is an affront to God himself.
 
2012-12-27 12:20:04 PM  

LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

Besides, Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.


This Face Left Blank: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

Besides, Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.

I don't know how anyone can like Star Wars over Star Trek, and I say that as someone who was eleven and a huge fan when the Episode IV: A New Hope came out. The new Trek reboot was fun, good-looking, full of action and had a great cast. I just hope - for the love of all that's holy - they aren't gonna use existing movies and episodes as the basis for every new Trek movie from hereon out.


I take it we're not allowed to enjoy both?

Berman and Braga ruined the TV franchise the way someone else upthread mentioned. They had good ideas but piss poor execution. It's like they couldn't say no to a stupid storyline or plot element or something.
 
2012-12-27 12:24:08 PM  
I've only watched clips of the original Star Trek, but it looks cheesier than Adam West Batman.
 
2012-12-27 12:34:14 PM  
NERD FIGHT!!!


On a related note: X-Wing vs Defiant
 
2012-12-27 12:36:25 PM  

browntimmy: I've only watched clips of the original Star Trek, but it looks cheesier than Adam West Batman.


There were a few real issues of the first Abrams star trek:
- abandoning a troublesome crew member on an ice planet?!?
- the coincidence of finding Spock there
- the long range transport to a ship moving away at warp (and was already very far way)
- filling the flagship of the fleet with cadets and then putting one in charge
- giving Scotty an Ewok sidekick

Even with all those annoying flaws, it was still an entertaining movie. So my hope is, now that the origin story is out of the way, they can do #2 even better.
 
2012-12-27 12:36:28 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

Besides, Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.

This Face Left Blank: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

Besides, Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.

I don't know how anyone can like Star Wars over Star Trek, and I say that as someone who was eleven and a huge fan when the Episode IV: A New Hope came out. The new Trek reboot was fun, good-looking, full of action and had a great cast. I just hope - for the love of all that's holy - they aren't gonna use existing movies and episodes as the basis for every new Trek movie from hereon out.

I take it we're not allowed to enjoy both?

Berman and Braga ruined the TV franchise the way someone else upthread mentioned. They had good ideas but piss poor execution. It's like they couldn't say no to a stupid storyline or plot element or something.


Agreed.

While the movies are fun, they don't really exude "Star Trek" to me. Then again, I probably would only feel that Star Trek feeling with another TV series.

I'm all for Abrams moving forward with it.
 
2012-12-27 12:38:38 PM  

texdent: NERD FIGHT!!!

On a related note: X-Wing vs Defiant


Don't you think a single man fighter vs. a small but bleeding edge warship is a miss match right from the start??
 
2012-12-27 12:39:35 PM  

LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

Besides, Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.


I love you.
 
2012-12-27 12:40:14 PM  

Farking Canuck: texdent: NERD FIGHT!!!

On a related note: X-Wing vs Defiant

Don't you think a single man fighter vs. a small but bleeding edge warship is a miss match right from the start??


Not if a Jedi is doing the piloting.
 
2012-12-27 12:44:37 PM  
Didn't need to read tfa.  It's tainted, he knows it and wants nothing to do with it.  Can't say I blame him.
 
2012-12-27 12:44:38 PM  

LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

Besides, Star Wars is terrible. Just terrible.


No, it wasn't. It was a generic space flick, entertaining for one watch through, maybe two, and then relegated to the B-movie schlock pile with the other space movies with ships that look like buildings and breweries inside. The only trappings related to anything Star Trek are purely superficial; the names, the uniforms and the ship design, but the central philosophies of the show and the heart was completely absent. It's as though someone with zero familiarity with the franchise were given the job to create a ST film and read only the IMDB synposis, looked at a handful of pictures and commenced filming without a clue.

"Oh, there was a hot green chick in the original? Throw one in there for Kirk to bone as fan service. Boobs fill seats...Give that doctor guy a catch phrase else no one will know who he's supposed to be...Wait a second, wasn't there a picture of Sulu fencing shirtless circulating around about the time George got married? Well, give him a sword, dammit! No, not that one; he's asian fercrissakes, so make it a katana. Tarantino uses katanas with asians and rakes in the bucks, so will we but make it all fold out and lens-flarey shiat 'cause this is the future and the future's too bright to see what the hell's going on anyways...No, don't do phasers like that, make it all pew-pew-pew like Star Wars. People get distracted easily by bright, colored lights and will think this film good if we have enough in there...Moral quandry? What's this BS? Get rid of it, the only quandary Pine will have is how to bang Zoe and Quinto...What? This "Kirk" guy is supposed to be captain? Screw it, we'll do that in the last scene. Who cares if it doesn't make any sense? I'm Abrams, biatch! People buy my crap and it never makes any sense!"

Ok generic space action movie, complete failure as a Star Trek movie. Shatner must feel vindicated by no longer being the worst ST director, at least he had a clue that there's supposed to be something deeper to the movie than the director fellating himself on the screen with lots of flashy colored lights and nothing of substance.

I knew the movie failed the moment Spock and Kirk were beamed out at the last moment and rather than feeling the sense of elation the movie was trying to build up, I felt a major let down. Something's wrong with the movie when the viewer is hoping the two main characters will just hurry up and die.
 
2012-12-27 12:45:58 PM  

imashark: While the movies are fun, they don't really exude "Star Trek" to me. Then again, I probably would only feel that Star Trek feeling with another TV series.


I kind of agree on that one. I enjoyed the movie, and while the character names are the same it just doesn't seem quite like Trek to me, although Urban did a pretty good McCoy. Even though Scotty was somewhat comical in the originals, I think they over did it with Pegg, especially with his stupid little mascot. Uhura is ok, I just wish they would have picked a little bit thicker of a woman like the original, because goddamn was Nichelle Nichols hot back in the day. I do like that they're playing Spock a touch more human (personality wise) than TOS since it plays better with the whole half human bit that we didn't know throughout most of TOS.
 
2012-12-27 12:46:28 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: Richard_The_Clown: Jim from Saint Paul: Rev. Skarekroe: I liked the new Star Trek, but that's a funny headline.

Can't think of any excuse to hide a starship under the ocean, though. The more I think about it, the dumber it seems...

The trailer shows a ship crashing into the water. Why are people NOT assuming that's the ship being towed/taken OUT of it in some way?

Because in the preview before The Hobbit they clearly showed the Enterprise was hiding in the ocean of a pre-warp society. Now, why did they not beam down or use shuttlecraft had not been addressed.

Dammit...

But that bolded part was explained. ***SPOILERS AGAIN*** The volcanic activity was unexpectedly farking with the transporters and (if I remember right) they only wanted to risk having one shuttle flying around and that one had Sulu and Uhura dropping Spock into the volcano.


Richard_The_Clown: Jim from Saint Paul: Rev. Skarekroe: I liked the new Star Trek, but that's a funny headline.

Can't think of any excuse to hide a starship under the ocean, though. The more I think about it, the dumber it seems...

The trailer shows a ship crashing into the water. Why are people NOT assuming that's the ship being towed/taken OUT of it in some way?

Because in the preview before The Hobbit they clearly showed the Enterprise was hiding in the ocean of a pre-warp society. Now, why did they not beam down or use shuttlecraft had not been addressed.


I was unaware. This was the same argument people had BEFORE the 10 minutes of footage and I hadn't heard anything about the footage.

I too, wonder why God needs a starship they are in the water.
 
2012-12-27 12:47:39 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: But that bolded part was explained. ***SPOILERS AGAIN*** The volcanic activity was unexpectedly farking with the transporters and (if I remember right) they only wanted to risk having one shuttle flying around and that one had Sulu and Uhura dropping Spock into the volcano.


But flying an enormous starship into the village's nearby ocean somehow went unnoticed by the natives.
 
2012-12-27 12:51:07 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Jizz Master Zero: But that bolded part was explained. ***SPOILERS AGAIN*** The volcanic activity was unexpectedly farking with the transporters and (if I remember right) they only wanted to risk having one shuttle flying around and that one had Sulu and Uhura dropping Spock into the volcano.

But flying an enormous starship into the village's nearby ocean somehow went unnoticed by the natives.


Maybe they did it at night, used illegal cloaking technology, sedated all the surrounding natives?
 
2012-12-27 12:55:42 PM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No, it wasn't. Incoherent babbling about shiat no one cares about...


Are you done now? It's called an opinion, man.

You should see a doctor for the PTSD that film inflicted upon your fragile little soul.
 
2012-12-27 12:59:16 PM  
I'm a huge Star Trek fan...
The latest Star Trek movie wasn't a Star Trek movie. It was Hollywood garbage for the wal-mart masses of idiot Americans. That can be said (sort of) for the TNG films as well - but it wasn't nearly as blatant as the latest one which only served to extract as much money as possible from as many of the brain-dead, wal-mart shopping masses. If you watched the latest Star Trek and you call it a "good movie" then you are part of the problem. The movie was farking ridiculously stupid.
Come to think of it movies all farking suck these days.
Get off my lawn.
 
2012-12-27 01:00:16 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Jizz Master Zero: But that bolded part was explained. ***SPOILERS AGAIN*** The volcanic activity was unexpectedly farking with the transporters and (if I remember right) they only wanted to risk having one shuttle flying around and that one had Sulu and Uhura dropping Spock into the volcano.

But flying an enormous starship into the village's nearby ocean somehow went unnoticed by the natives.


Apparently they weren't seen going in. Nothing says they have to pull up next to the cliff and just dive right in there. Probably dropped in the water far away and pulled up next to land. Likely were going to try to get out the same way until Kirk snuck into the village and got all grabby with their artifacts. The whole plan kind of went to shiat at that point.
 
2012-12-27 01:04:10 PM  
Troll headline is trolly. 94% on RT last time I checked.

//I hope Star Trek Into Darkness has so much lens flare you have a seizure, subby.
 
2012-12-27 01:05:16 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: I'm a huge Star Trek fan...
The latest Star Trek movie wasn't a Star Trek movie. It was Hollywood garbage for the wal-mart masses of idiot Americans. That can be said (sort of) for the TNG films as well - but it wasn't nearly as blatant as the latest one which only served to extract as much money as possible from as many of the brain-dead, wal-mart shopping masses. If you watched the latest Star Trek and you call it a "good movie" then you are part of the problem. The movie was farking ridiculously stupid.
Come to think of it movies all farking suck these days.
Get off my lawn.


I'm proud to be "part of the problem" if it keeps pissing off curmudgeoney asshats like yourself.

PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS! OH MY GOD! The horror!!!


You're dumb and cranky. Blah!
 
2012-12-27 01:05:31 PM  
Wait, we're hating Abrams' Star Trek now?! Does nobody forward these memos to me? I just got done making 1000 "Set your phasers to Lens Flare" shirts with "Abrams is God" on the back. Goddamnit...
 
2012-12-27 01:06:04 PM  

the_innkeeper: bluorangefyre: LlamaGirl: But Star Trek was good.

THIS!  If anybody ruined Star Trek it was Rick Berman and whoever the other guy was who took over Trek after Roddenberry died.

I must respectfully disagree. Berman and Co. turned it from the scattershot "where are we going today, kids?" to the serial story lines and arcs. Having a story to tell is far better than a collection of vignettes.


That's a funny way of saying 'Ira Steven Behr and Michael Pillar crafted Deep Space Nine into a serial show because Babylon 5 had raised the stakes'

If Berman had his way, DS9 would have stayed episodic, the same way TNG was. And the way Voyager and (mor the most part) Enterprise were.
 
2012-12-27 01:06:19 PM  
I enjoyed the JJ Abrams Trek movie. Sure, it wasn't as Trek as it could have been, going for mainstream appeal, but seeing as its primary job was to make money, appealing to an audience beyond Trekkers was kind of important. Especially after the last two cinematic Trek abortions.*

I'm a Trek fan, in fact I'm planning on going through every episode of every Trek series (including TAS) now that hey're on NetFlix. I'm up to TOS' 'the Galileo Seven' so far. Have to say, McCoy is rapidly becoming my favorite character, and for years it had been Spock. also, Nichelle Nichols looked damned hot in the 60s.

Best Trek movies are Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact and Voyage Home, in that order.

Star wars fan also. Don't overly mind the special editions. I am a heretic in that I think Episode IV is better than V, and I think Episode III is better than VI. Mostly because Ian McDiarmid has such a blast playing Palpatine.


* I assme Nemesis was an abortion by reputation, I have yet to see it.
 
2012-12-27 01:08:25 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Jizz Master Zero: But that bolded part was explained. ***SPOILERS AGAIN*** The volcanic activity was unexpectedly farking with the transporters and (if I remember right) they only wanted to risk having one shuttle flying around and that one had Sulu and Uhura dropping Spock into the volcano.

But flying an enormous starship into the village's nearby ocean somehow went unnoticed by the natives.


Underwater, eh? "How many atmospheres of pressure can the ship withstand?... Well, it was built for space travel, so anywhere between zero and one."

LlamaGirl: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No, it wasn't. Incoherent babbling about shiat no one cares about...

Are you done now? It's called an opinion, man.

You should see a doctor for the PTSD that film inflicted upon your fragile little soul.


Indeed it is an opinion: mine is as valid as yours.

Life's not fair in that way, is it?

Cue "stopnotlikingwhatIlike.jpg"
 
2012-12-27 01:08:51 PM  

mooseyfate: Wait, we're hating Abrams' Star Trek now?! Does nobody forward these memos to me? I just got done making 1000 "Set your phasers to Lens Flare" shirts with "Abrams is God" on the back. Goddamnit...


If it's something the general population enjoys, Farkers have to hate it. If you don't agree with them you can go right to hell because you are WRONG!!!
 
2012-12-27 01:10:18 PM  

LucklessWonder: I enjoyed the JJ Abrams Trek movie. Sure, it wasn't as Trek as it could have been, going for mainstream appeal, but seeing as its primary job was to make money, appealing to an audience beyond Trekkers was kind of important. Especially after the last two cinematic Trek abortions.*

I'm a Trek fan, in fact I'm planning on going through every episode of every Trek series (including TAS) now that hey're on NetFlix. I'm up to TOS' 'the Galileo Seven' so far. Have to say, McCoy is rapidly becoming my favorite character, and for years it had been Spock. also, Nichelle Nichols looked damned hot in the 60s.

Best Trek movies are Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact and Voyage Home, in that order.

Star wars fan also. Don't overly mind the special editions. I am a heretic in that I think Episode IV is better than V, and I think Episode III is better than VI. Mostly because Ian McDiarmid has such a blast playing Palpatine.


* I assme Nemesis was an abortion by reputation, I have yet to see it.


Granted I was severely jetlagged at the time, but I fell asleep in the theater watching Nemesis. I had never done that before (or since) and certainly never thought I would do it at a Star Trek film. But it was utter dog crap.
 
2012-12-27 01:11:59 PM  

LlamaGirl: mooseyfate: Wait, we're hating Abrams' Star Trek now?! Does nobody forward these memos to me? I just got done making 1000 "Set your phasers to Lens Flare" shirts with "Abrams is God" on the back. Goddamnit...

If it's something the general population enjoys, Farkers have to hate it. If you don't agree with them you can go right to hell because you are WRONG!!!


I wonder how many ALTs Armond White has.

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