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(Telegraph)   The tenth most popular Christmas list request for children was a "dad". Mostly from the kids of Michael Lohan   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 31
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2012-12-27 10:35:37 AM
When I was a substitute elementary school teacher, I would frequently be asked  by the students to sit with them at lunch and they would tell everyone else that "This is my dad".

I'm surprised it wasn't higher on the list.
 
2012-12-27 10:55:56 AM
Hold your ground - hold your ground! Sons of Lohan . . . my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. The day may come when the courage of Men fails; when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day - an hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the Age of Man comes crashing down - but it is not this day!! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth - I bid you stand, men of the west!
 
2012-12-27 11:41:52 AM
Of the top 50 festive requests, 17 related to pets and animals, with some imaginative children hoping for a donkey, chicken and elephant.

Where's my elephant? Where's my elephant?
 
2012-12-27 02:09:31 PM
A breakdown of culture would be helpful
 
2012-12-27 02:11:54 PM
If we're just talking about the Lohan brood, would 1-9 be "cocaine"?
 
2012-12-27 02:12:49 PM

Smeggy Smurf: A breakdown of culture would be helpful


not sure if racist...
 
2012-12-27 02:13:36 PM

Smeggy Smurf: A breakdown of culture would be helpful


You misspelled "superfluous"
 
2012-12-27 02:17:43 PM

Smeggy Smurf: A breakdown of culture would be helpful


I think that's the underlying problem.
 
2012-12-27 02:25:17 PM
iPhones and iPads also appeared on the list, with some quirky children asking for the moon, a time machine, a pond cover and beetroot.

Yes, this survey of lists was from England. Beetroot.
 
2012-12-27 02:36:40 PM
It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.
 
2012-12-27 02:46:22 PM

SuperT: Smeggy Smurf: A breakdown of culture would be helpful

not sure if racist...


Oh, it's racist all right.
 
2012-12-27 02:47:02 PM

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.


Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.


Except no one actually ever said that, but yeah, other than it never happened, exactly.
 
2012-12-27 02:47:05 PM

SuperT: Smeggy Smurf: A breakdown of culture would be helpful

not sure if racist...


A racists would see skin color as something I said. To a racist it's all about skin color.
 
2012-12-27 02:54:30 PM

ghare: Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Except no one actually ever said that, but yeah, other than it never happened, exactly.


Uhhhh huh. Which is why my Facebook feed is clogged with young women around my age (21) saying that the fathers of their children are worthless, that they "don't need no man", and that it's "you and me against the world", speaking to their children.

/bonus is that few of them have any sort of education beyond high school or a GED
//but that's besides the point here
 
2012-12-27 02:54:32 PM
One child asked for Eva Longoria

What's his Fark handle?
 
2012-12-27 03:07:38 PM

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.


This article is from England. The dads just spend so much time at the pub the kids assume they don't have a father.
 
2012-12-27 03:10:12 PM
When feminists win, the children will lose - Joss Whedon
 
2012-12-27 03:12:03 PM

Marine1: ghare: Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Except no one actually ever said that, but yeah, other than it never happened, exactly.

Uhhhh huh. Which is why my Facebook feed is clogged with young women around my age (21) saying that the fathers of their children are worthless, that they "don't need no man", and that it's "you and me against the world", speaking to their children.

/bonus is that few of them have any sort of education beyond high school or a GED
//but that's besides the point here


It also seems to me there were some heated debates about child care and single mothers on fark a while back when some political figure suggested this situation was not ideal when raising kids. There was a lot of outrage from every angle. No, I'm not going to search the Farkives on my phone. Search it out!
 
2012-12-27 03:25:19 PM
FTA: ... chocolate and a stick of rock.

Stick of rock? This some English thing I don't know about?
 
2012-12-27 03:28:00 PM

bpwoods: FTA: ... chocolate and a stick of rock.

Stick of rock? This some English thing I don't know about?


Link
 
2012-12-27 03:46:39 PM

ProfessorOhki: bpwoods: FTA: ... chocolate and a stick of rock.

Stick of rock? This some English thing I don't know about?

Link


Thank you for the enlightenment...
 
2012-12-27 03:48:02 PM
That's sad. I grew up in a single-mother household. Kinda sucked, especially because she has some mental issues. Now that I have a son of my own, can't imagine not having him in my life, and vice versa.
 
2012-12-27 04:02:50 PM
Whenever I take my kids to the park, within minutes I'm surrounded by a group of children looking up at me, desperate for a "daddy" to play with them.

It's really quite sad...
 
2012-12-27 04:34:00 PM

jjwars1: Marine1: ghare: Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Except no one actually ever said that, but yeah, other than it never happened, exactly.

Uhhhh huh. Which is why my Facebook feed is clogged with young women around my age (21) saying that the fathers of their children are worthless, that they "don't need no man", and that it's "you and me against the world", speaking to their children.

/bonus is that few of them have any sort of education beyond high school or a GED
//but that's besides the point here

It also seems to me there were some heated debates about child care and single mothers on fark a while back when some political figure suggested this situation was not ideal when raising kids. There was a lot of outrage from every angle. No, I'm not going to search the Farkives on my phone. Search it out!


I'm sure that had nothing to do with those "men" (and I use that term loosely in this case) knocked them up then bailed? I teach high school at a school that specializes in at-risk kids. We get LOTS of pregnant girls, because our school helps with childcare. I'd say maybe 1-2% of the boys stick it out and are part of their child's lives.

If you really believe that this is the result of 40 years of BS (and I agree, that never really happened), then tell me - why didn't men fight harder to be part of their children's lives? Why do so many take the easy road and bail, leaving women with NO CHOICE but to live without them?

Are your children not worth fighting for?
 
2012-12-27 05:31:36 PM

Kimothy: jjwars1: Marine1: ghare: Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Except no one actually ever said that, but yeah, other than it never happened, exactly.

Uhhhh huh. Which is why my Facebook feed is clogged with young women around my age (21) saying that the fathers of their children are worthless, that they "don't need no man", and that it's "you and me against the world", speaking to their children.

/bonus is that few of them have any sort of education beyond high school or a GED
//but that's besides the point here

It also seems to me there were some heated debates about child care and single mothers on fark a while back when some political figure suggested this situation was not ideal when raising kids. There was a lot of outrage from every angle. No, I'm not going to search the Farkives on my phone. Search it out!

I'm sure that had nothing to do with those "men" (and I use that term loosely in this case) knocked them up then bailed? I teach high school at a school that specializes in at-risk kids. We get LOTS of pregnant girls, because our school helps with childcare. I'd say maybe 1-2% of the boys stick it out and are part of their child's lives.

If you really believe that this is the result of 40 years of BS (and I agree, that never really happened), then tell me - why didn't men fight harder to be part of their children's lives? Why do so many take the easy road and bail, leaving women with NO CHOICE but to live without them?

Are your children not worth fighting for?


They're not expected to fight for their children, at least not in any meaningful way. Fathers who don't pay child support like they should aren't listed in the paper anywhere. Dads who want their kids have an uphill battle to fight in divorce proceedings. And, to be honest, the way society presents parenthood to men... why would we? Every dad in media is a dumbass who would piss his pants if a female weren't there to help him understand the complexities of a pants zipper.

Young men take the "easy" road and bail because it's portrayed as better than staying behind and facing up to masculinity's ultimate responsibility. You can either be:

A) Alan Harper (John Cryer's character from Two and a Half Men), who's getting his nads handed to him on a silver platter by his ex-wife and has no real ability to control his kid

or

B) Charlie Harper (Charlie Sheen's former character in the same sitcom), who's nailing as much ax wound as he can and doesn't have to worry about some woman holding him on a leash. Does he have any kids? We don't know. We're not supposed to care.

There are many more examples than that which I can name, but that immediately comes to mind. Dads aren't the respected guys they once were in popular culture, or even in the average home.
 
2012-12-27 06:36:03 PM

Marine1: Kimothy: jjwars1: Marine1: ghare: Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Except no one actually ever said that, but yeah, other than it never happened, exactly.

Uhhhh huh. Which is why my Facebook feed is clogged with young women around my age (21) saying that the fathers of their children are worthless, that they "don't need no man", and that it's "you and me against the world", speaking to their children.

/bonus is that few of them have any sort of education beyond high school or a GED
//but that's besides the point here

It also seems to me there were some heated debates about child care and single mothers on fark a while back when some political figure suggested this situation was not ideal when raising kids. There was a lot of outrage from every angle. No, I'm not going to search the Farkives on my phone. Search it out!

I'm sure that had nothing to do with those "men" (and I use that term loosely in this case) knocked them up then bailed? I teach high school at a school that specializes in at-risk kids. We get LOTS of pregnant girls, because our school helps with childcare. I'd say maybe 1-2% of the boys stick it out and are part of their child's lives.

If you really believe that this is the result of 40 years of BS (and I agree, that never really happened), then tell me - why didn't men fight harder to be part of their children's lives? Why do so many take the easy road and bail, leaving women with NO CHOICE but to live without them?

Are your children not worth fighting for?

They're not expected to fight for their children, at least not in any meaningful way. Fathers who don ...


Yeah, I have to agree with that assessment. But it's men who control the Hollywood machine, not women.    And men dominate the judiciary, and legislatures, and congress, and everything else. You have set up this dynamic, or at least are as complicit, if not more so, than women. Putting the blame at the feet of women just allows you (generic men, not you in particular) to remove yourself from any responsibility whatsoever. It's easier to escape than to step up and take responsibility.

But once again, that leads to the question, aren't your children worth fighting for? Is it just too hard a challenge to stay and be fathers?
 
2012-12-27 07:56:58 PM

Kimothy: Yeah, I have to agree with that assessment. But it's men who control the Hollywood machine, not women. And men dominate the judiciary, and legislatures, and congress, and everything else. You have set up this dynamic, or at least are as complicit, if not more so, than women. Putting the blame at the feet of women just allows you (generic men, not you in particular) to remove yourself from any responsibility whatsoever. It's easier to escape than to step up and take responsibility.

But once again, that leads to the question, aren't your children worth fighting for? Is it just too hard a challenge to stay and be fathers?


It's the consumer who controls the Hollywood machine. If the crap they turned out didn't get eyeballs, they would move on to something else. The entirety of our society is complicit in this one way or another. Placing the (real big picture view here) blame at the feet of either sex isn't really accurate and, to be honest, usually devolves into a blame fest where two sides try to one up another.

There's an interesting question parallel to yours though: is there some factor that makes being a father less worth it than it has been in the past? I'd be willing to bet the key is that society's definition of that "take responsibility" has been mutating, from teaching life skills, to playing catch once a week, to being a check in the mail, to approaching total absenteeism. If we devalue the role, we remove expectations. Removing expectations, at least for those for whom paternal instinct isn't enough, is pretty much equivalent to removing the responsibility. If there's no shame in it, if there's no sense of walking away hurting the child... well, for some people that's a lot less of a reason to accept the the challenge.
 
2012-12-27 10:12:18 PM
As the adoptive father of my son, this breaks my heart.
 
2012-12-27 11:39:05 PM

Kimothy: Marine1: Kimothy: jjwars1: Marine1: ghare: Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Except no one actually ever said that, but yeah, other than it never happened, exactly.

Uhhhh huh. Which is why my Facebook feed is clogged with young women around my age (21) saying that the fathers of their children are worthless, that they "don't need no man", and that it's "you and me against the world", speaking to their children.

/bonus is that few of them have any sort of education beyond high school or a GED
//but that's besides the point here

It also seems to me there were some heated debates about child care and single mothers on fark a while back when some political figure suggested this situation was not ideal when raising kids. There was a lot of outrage from every angle. No, I'm not going to search the Farkives on my phone. Search it out!

I'm sure that had nothing to do with those "men" (and I use that term loosely in this case) knocked them up then bailed? I teach high school at a school that specializes in at-risk kids. We get LOTS of pregnant girls, because our school helps with childcare. I'd say maybe 1-2% of the boys stick it out and are part of their child's lives.

If you really believe that this is the result of 40 years of BS (and I agree, that never really happened), then tell me - why didn't men fight harder to be part of their children's lives? Why do so many take the easy road and bail, leaving women with NO CHOICE but to live without them?

Are your children not worth fighting for?

They're not expected to fight for their children, at least not in any meaningful way. Father ...


I wouldn't describe feminism as a "helping" factor in all of it.
 
2012-12-28 02:57:35 PM

Marine1: ghare: Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Marine1: It's almost as if 40 years of telling men that they're parental extras and that women can handle it all, regardless of circumstance, has come back to bite us in the ass.

Couldn't have seen that coming.

Except no one actually ever said that, but yeah, other than it never happened, exactly.

Uhhhh huh. Which is why my Facebook feed is clogged with young women around my age (21) saying that the fathers of their children are worthless, that they "don't need no man", and that it's "you and me against the world", speaking to their children.

/bonus is that few of them have any sort of education beyond high school or a GED
//but that's besides the point here


Why the have kids is beyond me, there's a lot of options in our modern world: BC, abortion, and adoption. Farking use them!

Men, always wear condoms, all the oops babies at my school were pill failures or "doctor said I couldn't get pregnant".
 
2012-12-28 07:10:21 PM
"A real reindeer" is number two on the most commonly requested gifts?

This sounds like that Weekly World News article that claimed the top word used in casual conversation by Americans over 21 was "Eureka!" followed closely by "pumpkin".
 
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