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2012-12-27 12:11:28 AM
21 votes:
Next, they'll be printing huge books of people's addresses and phone numbers.
2012-12-26 11:28:02 PM
6 votes:
iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Congratulations - you're the biggest ashole. Yay!
2012-12-27 12:45:08 AM
4 votes:

GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.


Then why do people shoot at the police?  We all know they are carrying guns.

Your argument is absurd, you make broad sweeping generalizations about gun owners and you want to have it both ways by arguing for what the paper did and then saying you don't agree with it.

This is typical for you.  You never have a cogent argument and you draw conclusions that don't exist nor are they conclusions or argument that anyone else has made.   You could argue with yourself in an empty room and still come out second.
2012-12-27 03:10:05 PM
3 votes:

Mikey1969: ParaHandy: It's called the "gun show loophole" because, prior to Craigslist, a gun show was the easiest place to find a private seller.

Yeah, now that we have a brand new way to get guns, we should change the name. What is a Craig's List, anyway? Is that like a Face Book?


You mean you've never heard of Craig Schindler?
2012-12-27 05:25:45 AM
3 votes:

Cubansaltyballs: iq_in_binary: encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

All the benefits of getting the guy out of the house without leaving the room, without any of the downsides of a pump.

I'll probably own one eventually, mainly because it could serve so many different purposes and I'm willing to bet one of my wood furniture treatments would make the thing beeeeee-autiful.

While I agree, that's a nice weapon... I have zero interest in the guy leaving. They'd probably catch the guy. I'd have to show up to court which means I'd have to look for parking, bring change for the parking meter. Blah. Just not worth it.

I'd prefer to just remove the guy with a shovel and a few Glad bags before I forfeit my security deposit because they have to replace the carpet and paint the place before I move because my apt would become the Overlook Hotel.... and I don't really want my cat walking around saying "redrum" and seeing brains on the wall that aren't there anymore, because he "Shines".


All cats are basically Stalin on paws. They wouldn't say "REDRUM" they'd say "Aw, and nobody invited me."
2012-12-27 05:07:57 AM
3 votes:

Cubansaltyballs: iq_in_binary: But then again, I'm the guy that focuses on avoiding the fight in the first place, and cheating wherever possible if it turns out the fight is unavoidable. Your average wannabe Rambo might be a little different. Although I do enjoy scaring the ever living fark out of people from time to time when they deserve it, might make me slightly Rambo-ish.

This is where we our opinions diverge. For home defense I have a double-barrel, side-by-side and a Saiga 12ga. I'd go for a pump-action, but I'd rather have semi-auto. Why? Because F*ck them, that's why. If someone were so sh*t-all stupid as to enter my home, I fully expect to lose my security deposit because there's a smoking pile of brains, eye-balls, blood, and fecal matter in the doorway.


IED in the living room. Hear a noise? Press the plunger.
2012-12-27 12:42:56 AM
3 votes:

GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.


Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

rlv.zcache.com
2012-12-27 12:23:00 AM
3 votes:

Kimothy: How does CC prevent you from being shot? That's not what FM said at all.


He never makes any substantive argument, he just parrots media talking points and re-engineers what others say in an attempt to make their cogent argument seem defective.

Probably a journalism student.

If you told him the sky was blue he would complain that big pharma causes bus fares to rise.
2012-12-26 10:23:36 PM
3 votes:
They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.
2012-12-27 09:56:45 AM
2 votes:

italie: Always loaded, and by my door. Not afraid to use it either.

[thewondrous.com image 628x334]

//My world is a happy place...


image.guardian.co.uk
2012-12-27 08:57:38 AM
2 votes:
imageshack.us
2012-12-27 07:28:32 AM
2 votes:
www.practicaltacticaltraining.com
2012-12-27 07:16:16 AM
2 votes:

Cubansaltyballs: namatad: would there be some benefit in using slightly smaller buck shot?
or is the goal in the end, quickly exploding heads with small chance of survival, which is a good thing in dealing with zombies/home invaders

I choose #000 for a few reasons. I'm going to fire a shotgun, so stopping-power/spread is important. I'd either go with #00 buck with 15x pellets or #000 buck with 10 pellets. Personally, the idea of emptying a 10rd magazine of 9mm for every pull of the trigger is appealing to me. Most people are good shots, and I am too, but a high-stress home-invasion is different from the range. So while some prefer handguns for home defense, I prefer shotguns.

Another reason is noise. Dear god, I can't imagine the sound of firing #000 indoors or at close range or worse... standing downrange from it. The sound of a 10x pellet #000 buck round going off sounds like a grenade. It's startling the first time you fire it. If someone was coming into your home and you fired that at them, it would either A) tear them to pieces or B) Make them think you fired a mortar round at them. Either way, that bastard will know he made a big mistake in will rethink his life's choices if he survives.


I knew the shotguns for home invasion and the noise alone. I guess in the end, at close range, the difference between 15 8.4mm and 10 9.1mm is 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. In the end, the effect will be pretty much the same thing.

I have to say, shooting at a range with proper protection really ruined a lot/most movies for me.
REALLY?? You are shooting a gun in a hallway, without earplugs and you can hear without shouting??
ROFL
2012-12-27 06:45:34 AM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Next, they'll be printing huge books of people's addresses and phone numbers.


You, sir, win the thread.

You may pick your prize from any of the items in Drew's home. (I hope you like empty maker's mark bottles)
2012-12-27 06:38:13 AM
2 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: iq_in_binary: Which is why my counter-attack would be overwhelming. There is no end to the personal information I can get on them as a specialist in the field, and they need to learn to quit this shiat. I've been playing nice with the lawyers, but when some asshat journalist decides to out me? I'm going to absolutely ruin his life, and that of everyone around him. This shiat needs to stop. It's one thing to have a political message, it's quite another to put people in danger intentionally.

I would support you 100% in that. If you inadvertently violated any laws, I'd even put money on your account in jail and visit you.

Orders of protection are not magical force fields that keep you safe, so I had to go beyond that. I have better tools to protect myself now.  I'm still terrified of my ex. He's out of prison, mentally unstable, doesn't take his meds and has already tried to kill me once - why wouldn't  I be terrified? I'm not real down with people outing those who are trying to hide. I agree the shiat needs to stop.

I still do think everyone should be required to do what I did and take classes and pass tests (which I did for myself), but I do not think gun owners' lives should be put in danger or that they should be demonized simply for owning guns or having a concealed carry permit. That's just sheer douchebaggery right there.


Knowing what I know, and how capable of finding information as I am, I tend to keep a "No Prisoners, Kill everyone" point of view on the subject. Nor am I alien to the licensing idea, hence my suggestion of expanding the NFA. These poeple were straight dicks. They deserve every ounce of bad news headed their way. They need to be taught a lesson. They should be thankful I didn't end up on that list, because they very well would end up suffering for it, if not their kids. Actions need to have consequences, they were too stupid to think that through and they deserve the anguish of their kids suffering for it, if for no other reason than they tried to make mine suffer.

fark these people, they deserve no pity whatsoever for whatever happens to them.
2012-12-27 05:24:34 AM
2 votes:

Cubansaltyballs: doglover: IED in the living room. Hear a noise? Press the plunger.

My cat would probably set it off. He's passive aggressive like that.


Besides, sounds are far scarier. I've long toyed with the idea of planting speakers at various places in the house that have a NetDuino system to play a recording of me racking a shotgun and going off on some Liam Neeson-esque dialog about how what he just heard hit the floor was a round of buckshot and the round now in the chamber was a pig sticker slug (plastic slugs used by the Marines, known for their lack of over-penetration, whereas lead slugs suuuuuuck for keeping a security deposit). I figure by the time I get to explaining the pig sticker the guy would be shiatting his pants, and with a NetDuino I could set up an automated call to the cops with an old Nokia using the same tactics to arrive about the time he started running.

Wouldn't even have to pull the shotgun out of the closet then, just hit a button on my nightstand. Make some coffee for the poor guy who had to clean the shiat out of the back of his cruiser, and offer my services to the guys that responded. Win/Win!

/Break-ins are common in this neighborhood
//Would put a speaker in the garage too with an IR sensor.
2012-12-27 05:23:13 AM
2 votes:

iq_in_binary: encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

All the benefits of getting the guy out of the house without leaving the room, without any of the downsides of a pump.

I'll probably own one eventually, mainly because it could serve so many different purposes and I'm willing to bet one of my wood furniture treatments would make the thing beeeeee-autiful.


While I agree, that's a nice weapon... I have zero interest in the guy leaving. They'd probably catch the guy. I'd have to show up to court which means I'd have to look for parking, bring change for the parking meter. Blah. Just not worth it.

I'd prefer to just remove the guy with a shovel and a few Glad bags before I forfeit my security deposit because they have to replace the carpet and paint the place before I move because my apt would become the Overlook Hotel.... and I don't really want my cat walking around saying "redrum" and seeing brains on the wall that aren't there anymore, because he "Shines".
2012-12-27 04:37:32 AM
2 votes:

GAT_00: But the outrage to this makes no sense.  The whole concealed carry argument is that invisible guns make you safe, which is basically a religious argument - the unseen saves you, even though others don't know you're protected by the unseen.  If guns save you, it's because they are visible and known.  Logically the you would want your ownership to be known.


except that there is tons of evidence that it does.
the classic car jacking in floriduh vs carjacking in chicago.
the grannies with their hands in their fannie packs.

The possible increased risk of getting shot does deter some crime.

If you were a thief casing suburban homes and you know these 4 have guns in them and these 4 dont have guns, you will avoid the gun homes, unless you are there to rob guns ... ROFL

on the other hand, I live on the end of the hall on the 20th floor, by the time the thieves/zombies get up the high they will be tired.
2012-12-27 04:33:46 AM
2 votes:
Next, I hope they post a list of everyone with 1967 GTOs. My friend lives up that way and can use some parts. I'm sure they can find some guy at the local YMCA who's curious about Pontiac ownership in the area to justify publishing it all, and GM owners are laid back and wouldn't feel at all singled out by it.
2012-12-27 12:58:57 AM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.

Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]

Yes, I'm sure some moron did post some macho bullshiat that they clearly don't have up at their house.

But the outrage to this makes no sense.  The whole concealed carry argument is that invisible guns make you safe, which is basically a religious argument - the unseen saves you, even though others don't know you're protected by the unseen.  If guns save you, it's because they are visible and known.  Logically the you would want your ownership to be known.


Yet another tack, you are indeed the drunken sailor of discourse.    You manage to work in your lack of religious faith, that must make you a celebrity among the other anti-religionists.

You claim you don't agree with the publishing of the names and addresses of gun owners then you claim the outrage makes no sense.  Which one is it, which opinion do you truly hold?  Is it that you've never had a thought or opinion of your own so you want to cover all the bases lest someone have an opinion that differs from yours?   Are you afraid of not being universally loved so you support or hate everything equally?   There is a word for that.
2012-12-27 12:32:16 AM
2 votes:
Oh man, so many addresses have been released now.  I wonder where I'm going to start sending those pizzas first.
2012-12-27 12:04:12 AM
2 votes:
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
2012-12-26 11:48:04 PM
2 votes:

Triumph: feckingmorons: Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.

I couldn't agree more. Instead of just stoking up the gun control blather, here's what real journalists would be chasing in the Sandy Hook shooting among many other things:

1. The guy they arrested in the woods at the edge of the school who was wearing camo and screaming "I didn't do it." Who is he? What's the story there?
2. What have they learned from security camera footage?
3. How was it that an untrained kid was able to be so deadly, with so many fatalities and so few wounded?
4. What's up with the car towed away from the scene that allegedly had the gun in the trunk? The license plate trace allegedly went out over police scanners and it may belong to a drug dealer - what's up with that?
5. What medications was the shooter on? What kind of psychiatric care was he receiving?
6. Why was it so quickly pronounced that the data from the shooter's hard drive is unrecoverable?

There's plenty more facts to chase, but you get the idea - there's a bona fide story to report, but it's hard to find anyone doing it.


Check Infowars. I'm sure someone there is on the case.
2012-12-26 11:38:09 PM
2 votes:

vartian: iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Congratulations - you're the biggest ashole. Yay!


It was done for the Virginia newspaper, it was done for the Memphis, and it will be done again when journalists forget their career and advocate for political causes.    Can you blame them?  If you were a gun owner wouldn't you be mad?  Wouldn't you want a little tit for tat.

I live in a state where there is no list of gun owners, it is expressly forbidden by law.   I live in a state where I don't need permission from the state to buy or keep a gun, it is a right not to be denied except in very limited circumstances based on my ability to safely use a gun, or my prior illegal conduct.   I live in a state where the concealed weapons licensees, who now top one million, are confident that their names and addresses are protected from this sort of journalistic fanning of the flames by the laws our elected representatives passed to stave off just this sort of stupidity.
2012-12-26 11:34:57 PM
2 votes:

vartian: Congratulations - you're the biggest ashole. Yay!


Joe Rogan is gonna be pissed!
2012-12-26 11:34:44 PM
2 votes:

vartian: iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Congratulations - you're the biggest ashole. Yay!


Damn right. Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger just to make some trumped up political statement and I have absolutely no problem doing the same to you with avarice and absolutely NO regard for your well being.

Hopefully such an overwhelmingly powerful retaliation would be a reminder to other dipshiats in the future that thought for even a second that shiat like this is a good idea.
2012-12-26 11:20:43 PM
2 votes:

Kimothy: Jesus, they're all farking children. Grow up, especially if you own a damn gun.


Done in bloody one

Your gun debate is boring.

But the US loves the sound of its own voice, a constant drone across the world, like a petulant child with too many toys to clean up.
2012-12-26 11:19:09 PM
2 votes:

Rincewind53: This is my hometown newspaper, so I'm getting a kick, etc...

iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.

It was all public information, Mr. ITG. All they did was put it on a map. If anyone had wanted to, they could have compiled this list at any point, at any time.


You know what else is "public" information? Your criminal records. Every phone number attributed to you. Your occupation. Your employer. Your Driver's License #. Your car titles. Your home's taxable value. Anything you post on facebook. Pictures of your kids. Where your kids go to school. Your utility account numbers. Whether the dry pairs in your home are activated (Hello! THIS guy doesn't have a security system!). Who you've ever been married to. Who you've ever divorced. Your credit rating. Your name changes (say hello to that abusive boyfriend you finally got away from!). I can get to all of that in minutes.

If you don't mind these asshats publishing what they did, you have absolutely NO leg to stand on when I publish all ^^^^^ that on the newspaper's employees either.
2012-12-27 05:52:35 PM
1 votes:

justtray: Uranus Is Huge!: Mikey1969: MFK: would've loved to but the mods seem to be only interested in letting your side of the discussion speak.

Really? I've never heard of people getting posts deleted. Are you sure you're doing it right?

/I Always love how people claim to be censored, but their post about deleted posts always makes it past these admins...

I too had a post that was a response to you deleted today. I didn't think much of it, other than perhaps maybe you reported me. It said it was Deleted for Personal Attack/Namecalling. I thought this was Fark.

Ya. I even got banned for "threadjacking/off topic"

Amazing. Only gun nuts allowed to speak. (also got a post removed for using that term)


Ah well, it's not our house. We're just Drew's guests. Consider it Fark's Affirmative Action for derp.

Never bring a gun to a potato fight.
2012-12-27 05:45:45 PM
1 votes:

megarian: Mr.BobDobalita: megarian: Mr.BobDobalita: megarian: Mr.BobDobalita: megarian: Mr.BobDobalita: megarian


I'm in the city. The price to any sporting event is simply stupid. In my formative years, I went to DEMF... Now it's expensive. I went to D in a car with tinted windows. BAD idea. I think I almost got sold into sex slavery. So it goes.


Seriously... what, 50 bucks or better for a lie-downs tickets?!?! I can't believe it either... going to a game and taking your lady, it's gonna be $200 if you're lucky. :)

Easy to do dumb things down there... I went from ren cen in a taxi... he didn't have change for a hundy... so I had him take me to a random gas station to get change... lol... oops. Big line... waiting... only snowflake for miles.... then get up there... no change without buying... back to end of line... hehe...

2 person Fark party? East Lansing? LOL...

I bartender in East Lansing and went to MSU.

I am so game for that.


*bartended, too.

/why yes, I've been drinking. Thank you!
2012-12-27 04:13:30 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: iq_in_binary: RexTalionis: Between

iq_in_binary: I'm not a redneck, BTW, I own suits worth more than most women's wedding dresses. Idiot.

and

iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.

You sound like quite a winner.

Let me guess, you're the little social reject that sent me a death threat?

No. Sorry, guess again.


So, then, you wouldn't be upset at all if I published every bit of personal information I could find on you? Including where your children went to school, whether or not you had a security system, your personal phone numbers, etc.?

It's all public information, no reason to biatch, right?
2012-12-27 04:07:58 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Between

iq_in_binary: I'm not a redneck, BTW, I own suits worth more than most women's wedding dresses. Idiot.

and

iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.

You sound like quite a winner.


Let me guess, you're the little social reject that sent me a death threat?
2012-12-27 03:53:44 PM
1 votes:

iq_in_binary: Paging Ryan Searfoss, where are you coward?

You were stupid enough to send me an e-mail. Man up and own your stupidity ITT.

I'm not a redneck, BTW, I own suits worth more than most women's wedding dresses. Idiot.


www.dedleg.com
2012-12-27 03:01:38 PM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Zasteva: dittybopper: Zasteva: Your guns should be in a secure location already. At very least locked in a gun safe.

If you want to do that voluntarily, that's fine. Requiring it to be done by law is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court ruled specifically on that matter:

Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. DC v. Heller.

That covers trigger locks and disassembly. It says nothing about gun safes, particularly if that safe is easily accessible to the lawful owner. As long as the mechanism doesn't provide an undue burden to the lawful own it should pass constitutional muster.

so how do you fire a gun from within a safe?


Well, first, you have to be inside the safe...
2012-12-27 02:12:52 PM
1 votes:

I drunk what: i tried picking up the mouse and speaking clearly and directly into it, but this did not help


aiwl.us
2012-12-27 01:51:20 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: Zasteva: Except that the element of surprise is really always with the person who is launching an unexpected attack. And without extensive training your chances of being able to respond effectively to a gun attack is virtually zero:

I carry a gun almost all the time (I don't carry one where it is prohibited like the Courthouse or the police station, or where I don't need one like the Courthouse or the police station because there are policemen there who will deal with any armed lunatics so we don't have to).   If someone breaks down your front door they don't know if I am in the kitchen, the den, or the basement so I can surprise them.  They don't know my house, nor that I have a gun.

If someone is robbing the bank, they don't know I have a gun, I can use it to my advantage if need be but first I'm going to look for an exit and avoid shooting or getting shot at.   If someone attacks me on the street, they don't know I have a gun and it will surely be a surprise when I use my gun to persuade them to run away.

Legal weapons are used daily to repel criminals, your argument just doesn't hold water.


I avoid going to courthouses or police stations. You may need to rethink your normal, everyday behavior.
2012-12-27 12:57:50 PM
1 votes:
You libtards just don't get it.

FACT: No society has ever been able to curb firearm violence through legislation and regulation of firearms. Every country in the world that has tried has immediately fallen into a dystopian nightmare, a la 1984 or V for Vendetta.
2012-12-27 12:25:55 PM
1 votes:

I drunk what: well there is still a huge skewed bias of gay-lib-hatetheist-democrat-IB here


There's also a huge skewed bias towards bad portmanteau, you don't see me complaining.
2012-12-27 11:22:14 AM
1 votes:

Phinn: lexslamman: There's no need for private citizens to own guns for the national defense, there hasn't been for over a century.

The Constitution says there is a need.

In fact, it says exactly that -- the Living Version of the Second Amendment explicitly states that all "private citizens" (full redundancy enabled) may keep and bear whatever weaponry the United States may keep and bear.


Its kind of sad/funny that a bunch of internet warriors and couch potatoes believe with all their hearts that their the only thing standing between freedom and persecution. These are the same people who stand in line on Thanksgiving night to buy a television set. These are the clowns who leave loaded firearms in their cars that their toddlers use to shoot themselves. The people who applaude the murder of an American kid because he wore a hoodie are going to help protect me and you against the Government? Thats why you need a gun? Its working out so well in places like Syria that they beg OUR government for help. You fight tooth and nail agianst any cuts in Defense spending and you think you and your little assult rifle are going to hold off the most powerful army in the history of the world?

SMH. You all are delusional.
2012-12-27 11:19:51 AM
1 votes:

AurizenDarkstar: Of course they do! Just like someone needs the ability to walk around with a Desert Eagle .50 strapped to their waist. For personal protection, of course. (and yes, it IS legal to carry a DE .50...go figure).


cdn.pjmedia.com
2012-12-27 11:04:52 AM
1 votes:
Without the element of surprise, guns are useless.
2012-12-27 10:39:07 AM
1 votes:

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: I love gun owners and their tiny little penises.


Fewer and fewer "LOL GUN OWNERS HAVE TEH TINY PENISES!!!" references on these threads it seems. Most fantasizers have started keeping it on the down-low lately because they've realized it really makes them sound childish.

More power to you for bucking the trend, kiddo! Keep that penis fantasy going in your mind! There's absolutely nothing wrong with thinking about the penis size of other people based on their ownership of certain things. Nope. Nothing at all wrong with it.
2012-12-27 10:36:40 AM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Generation_D: Now, owning a gun mainly threatens your neighbors or makes your kids more likely to die, or helps arm criminals because there's so many loopholes in obtaining a gun.

How does my owning a gun threaten my neighbor?  What "loopholes" are you talking about?  Can you cite some specific loopholes to me?


Gun show loopholes, from which 40% of gun purchases originate.  They don't require background checks, 72 hr wait periods, etc.

It might not be a thing where you are, its a big deal in Washington State.  Gun show loophole is how most of our criminals get armed, that or stolen weapons trafficked through gangs.
2012-12-27 10:35:41 AM
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: Triumph: Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.

Are you kidding? Guns are almost as good as cash, and you usually get more for them then jewelry. In my misspent youth when I was doing B&E I purposefully targeted houses with guns. All you have to do is wait for the homeowner and their family to go out for the night, or hell just wait until they leave the door unlocked, search the bedroom closet and bingo you hit the jackpot.

If someone published a list of gun owners in my area I would be really pissed, but I would also move move my guns to a secure location for six to eight months.


As a responsible gun owner, shouldn't your guns already be locked away in a secure location?
2012-12-27 10:29:08 AM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: Rincewind53: It was all public information, Mr. ITG. All they did was put it on a map. If anyone had wanted to, they could have compiled this list at any point, at any time.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should do that thing.


Yes it is frowned upon; kinda like masturbating on a plane.
2012-12-27 10:26:36 AM
1 votes:

gadian: Eh, I don't see the newspaper's action as that douchebaggy. After all, gun owners are all so damn proud of their babies. They want everyone to know that they're armed so that no one messes with them. The newspaper was doing them a favor, really. Besides, publishing a list of gun owners is no different than publishing a list of pedophiles or government employees. They're people you should get to know. In this case, either so that you don't get shot by the overzealous or that you use the overzealous to shoot.

Couldn't get away with that here without just listing the phonebook. Hell, I "own" three shotguns myself. I shot one of them once, but all three are in my name because of the overzealous nutjob I live with. But I'm already on other lists, so this one would be no different.

/Wanted a handgun but nooooo according to the nutjob, handguns are something you use only to shoot your way back to the shotgun you should have never left behind to start with. Ass.


Umm...no. My guns are not for intruders, they are for the authorities. As we learned with Oklahoma City bombing the fastest way to get the governments jack booted thugs to stop stomping on people is to kill the mother farkers.
2012-12-27 10:21:13 AM
1 votes:

ronaprhys: MFK: Ever hear of Bucky Balls? They are these tiny magnetic balls that you can play with at your desk and it's insanely addicting. However, they have been recently banned for sale in the US because a couple of kids swallowed the balls and the magnets pinched off their intestines and they died. So immediately, they were pulled from the shelves because of the danger to kids, even for people who didn't have kids.

Guns, on the other hand are used to take over 30,000 lives in the US every year and they kill way more kids than Bucky Balls could ever hope to Despite the fact that they are used far more for intimidation than they are for protection and kids die all the farking time, we can't even TALK about whether or not our existing gun laws are even a good idea or not without the gun "enthusiasts" swooping in and screaming like ninnys. It farking sucks that the rest of us have to deal with this shiat.

These things are designed to kill people. The AR-15 is an anti-personnel weapon designed to effectively eliminate human targets. And yes, dumbasses, you can kill a farking deer with a gun meant to kill a man, too.

Have you actually read the Constitution?


Every Amendment counts except the 2nd. Oh, and its just a goddamned piece of paper.
2012-12-27 10:02:38 AM
1 votes:

probesport: DROxINxTHExWIND: We can both play that game. We know what was implied. Don't be obtuse.

So that's your angle


pokerfraudalert.com
2012-12-27 09:19:00 AM
1 votes:
I couldn't care less about the gun debate.. but I LOVE the follow-up here. I can hear the journalists whining from here.. "but but... how can they do that? That's private information and stuff!!"
2012-12-27 09:12:13 AM
1 votes:
My dad is a career criminal and he always robbed houses he knew had guns. They bring good money and are easy to move. You just spot a guy with an NRA sticker or a deer decal and follow him home. Watch his schedule for a few days and rob the place when he is gone. The best are people who advertise their home being protected by Smith and Wesson. Those idiots never have alarm systems.
2012-12-27 08:45:19 AM
1 votes:
members.modernvespa.net
2012-12-27 07:49:47 AM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: Triumph: Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.

No it this incident is about poor journalism and intimidation.    This particular journalistic creation of a news story, as opposed to what we normally believe to a journalist's job to be - objective reporting of the news, has been done before, including The Roanoke Times publishing of all the concealed weapons permit holders in Virgina at their newspaper website.   That of course turned out to be a colossal error and the data has been taken down; ostensibly because of errors, but the newspaper leaders and reporter had their personal information published online and were quite scared.  However no bomb was delivered to his home.

The newspaper of record in Memphis also did this.  Theirs is still up, but out of date as the residents of Tennessee urged their elected officials to make that information confidential and available to law enforcement only much like our driver license information has been for quite some time.   The Virginia and Tennessee newspapers publishing of such information was indeed the impetus of many state laws making that information confidential.

While you may have your own opinion on it, one that was shared by an unnamed young woman during a hearing in Tennessee is clearly an important message.   She said she followed all the laws, got her gun and permit legally because she feared her ex-husband.  He now knows where she lives because the newspaper acted without caring about women like her and now she has to move again.

Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.


Journalistic integrity was the first thought I had.
2012-12-27 07:48:03 AM
1 votes:
Wow, what a terrible thing to do to these fine, upstanding journalists. They may feel frightened and defenseless, exposed to this cruel and crazy world, especially if they live in a bad neighborhood. Too bad there's no way to proactively prepare to defend oneself from life's seedier elements.
2012-12-27 07:30:48 AM
1 votes:
why not post the names and addresses of bath salts users
2012-12-27 07:21:13 AM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: I love how everyone says "it's public information, what's the big deal?" How many crack-head burglars or gang bangers looking for guns to steal do you know of that would go to the court house or city hall, file the proper request, then go home and compile it all into a nice, handy map? None? That's what I thought.

Now they can just look at this idiots map and decide which houses in their area they should case and hit when no one is home. Or worse, do a home invasion where they or someone in the house ends up getting killed.


mhmm
but

there is another side to this that I have not heard anyone talking about.
hypocrisy.
I wonder how many people on the list of owners are vocal anti-gun nuts.
Publicly or privately. They tell their friends that they hate guns, they work for anti-gun orgs, but in their house, they have guns ... LOL

I have a hypocritical sister. She is actively against abortion. But she had an abortion.
I wonder how things might change if some private things all of a sudden became public.
Santorum and Rmoney's wives both had abortions. WBush's drug rehab record. Clinton's paternity tests.
Every politicians exact income, including all the bribes and insider info.
this could make for an interesting change in society
2012-12-27 07:17:26 AM
1 votes:

iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.


The thing to do is mail info on all their children to every registered sex offender in a 25 mile radius and let them know about it. Let them sleep on that thought every night
2012-12-27 07:16:16 AM
1 votes:

Triumph: feckingmorons: Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.

I couldn't agree more. Instead of just stoking up the gun control blather, here's what real journalists would be chasing in the Sandy Hook shooting among many other things:

1. The guy they arrested in the woods at the edge of the school who was wearing camo and screaming "I didn't do it." Who is he? What's the story there?
2. What have they learned from security camera footage?
3. How was it that an untrained kid was able to be so deadly, with so many fatalities and so few wounded?
4. What's up with the car towed away from the scene that allegedly had the gun in the trunk? The license plate trace allegedly went out over police scanners and it may belong to a drug dealer - what's up with that?
5. What medications was the shooter on? What kind of psychiatric care was he receiving?
6. Why was it so quickly pronounced that the data from the shooter's hard drive is unrecoverable?

There's plenty more facts to chase, but you get the idea - there's a bona fide story to report, but it's hard to find anyone doing it.


What's this? Common sense? IN A WHARGBARBLE THREAD!?!?!

I'm so ashamed of you. At least put a cheap troll in there.
2012-12-27 07:12:04 AM
1 votes:

Orange-Pippin: I'm surprised no one has posted the #1 derp from the comment section.

[i.imgur.com image 734x197]


are people on welfare a matter of public record? food stamps? disability?

NO MORE SECRETS
time to implant everyone with GPS trackers and keep 10 years of data
of course we will start with the criminals first, felons, LEOs, elected officials.
That data alone will keep the courts and media entertained for decades
2012-12-27 07:05:25 AM
1 votes:

Frederf: Dark ages people with old ways of thinking need to go away so the actual future of humanity can move on.


Please tell us how so much better than the rest of humanity you are. It's soooo fascinating.
2012-12-27 07:03:41 AM
1 votes:
It must suck to live in some piece of trash neighborhood where a GED is an accomplishment, you aren't a day's drive from an ocean, turning left is a sport, and God is something other than an obvious attempt of humanity to humor itself about death and morality.

Me, I get up every day in a place where not only is a gun not necessary for anyone, it's not even considered. We are just educated, busy people who just live life without masturbatory fantasies of cowboys and indians. As much as I like to wish you or more realistically your progeny to extract yourselves from this redneck stupor, it really is for the best for all the sooner your genetic line finds a pistol on the seat of the pickup and mercifully smears their nervous tissue harmlessly about the cabin.

Dark ages people with old ways of thinking need to go away so the actual future of humanity can move on.
2012-12-27 06:54:59 AM
1 votes:

way south: ghare: iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.

Internet tough guy detected!

Listen, moron, PUBLIC RECORDS are already public! PUBLIC! PUBLICPUBLICPUBLIC! THEY ARE ALREADY PUBLISHED!

No, public records are public but most don't know or think of ways to use them nefariously because they are NOT published in the GODDAMN NEWSPAPER (or on the Internet, or wherever).

It was a bad idea to out gun owners, its a bad idea to out the papers staff.
People need to grow up.


Retaliation needs to happen, or they will think it is a good idea in the future.

I wasn't a part of what was outed, but if I was I would not stop until something bad happened to them to teach them a lesson. This shiat needs to stop, I've seen it happen 5 times already just in my adult life. Until these farkers suffer the consequences of what can happen to the people they jut published on, this shiat will not stop. The last one caught a girl that was trying to keep away from her abusive husband. Until they all or at least some of them suffer the consequences of something like that, they don't deserve any farking quarter. Them and their families are open to anything in retaliation as far as I'm concerned.They need to feel the ramifications of their actions.

fark their rights, they violated that of thousands. They get to suffer every god damned ramification of having the same thing done of them.
2012-12-27 06:37:58 AM
1 votes:
I think they should publish a list of all houses with swimming pools, seeing as those kill more children than firearms.

I wanted to do something grumbly about Jenny McCarthy's cause or Barbara Streisand's diet, but swimming pools are a real killer.
2012-12-27 06:36:33 AM
1 votes:
One is an implied threat and one isn't. Not the same at all. God, I hope civil war II comes soon.
2012-12-27 05:58:18 AM
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: feckingmorons: Triumph: Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.

No it this incident is about poor journalism and intimidation.    This particular journalistic creation of a news story, as opposed to what we normally believe to a journalist's job to be - objective reporting of the news, has been done before, including The Roanoke Times publishing of all the concealed weapons permit holders in Virgina at their newspaper website.   That of course turned out to be a colossal error and the data has been taken down; ostensibly because of errors, but the newspaper leaders and reporter had their personal information published online and were quite scared.  However no bomb was delivered to his home.

The newspaper of record in Memphis also did this.  Theirs is still up, but out of date as the residents of Tennessee urged their elected officials to make that information confidential and available to law enforcement only much like our driver license information has been for quite some time.   The Virginia and Tennessee newspapers publishing of such information was indeed the impetus of many state laws making that information confidential.

While you may have your own opinion on it, one that was shared by an unnamed young woman during a hearing in Tennessee is clearly an important message.   She said she followed all the laws, got her gun and permit legally because she feared her ex-husband.   He now knows where she lives because the newspaper acted without caring about women like her and now she has to move again.

Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.

So much this. That's why I have a concealed weapons permit. My ex went to pri ...


Which is why my counter-attack would be overwhelming. There is no end to the personal information I can get on them as a specialist in the field, and they need to learn to quit this shiat. I've been playing nice with the lawyers, but when some asshat journalist decides to out me? I'm going to absolutely ruin his life, and that of everyone around him. This shiat needs to stop. It's one thing to have a political message, it's quite another to put people in danger intentionally.
2012-12-27 05:37:38 AM
1 votes:

iq_in_binary: Cubansaltyballs: doglover: IED in the living room. Hear a noise? Press the plunger.

My cat would probably set it off. He's passive aggressive like that.

Besides, sounds are far scarier. I've long toyed with the idea of planting speakers at various places in the house that have a NetDuino system to play a recording of me racking a shotgun and going off on some Liam Neeson-esque dialog about how what he just heard hit the floor was a round of buckshot and the round now in the chamber was a pig sticker slug (plastic slugs used by the Marines, known for their lack of over-penetration, whereas lead slugs suuuuuuck for keeping a security deposit). I figure by the time I get to explaining the pig sticker the guy would be shiatting his pants, and with a NetDuino I could set up an automated call to the cops with an old Nokia using the same tactics to arrive about the time he started running.

Wouldn't even have to pull the shotgun out of the closet then, just hit a button on my nightstand. Make some coffee for the poor guy who had to clean the shiat out of the back of his cruiser, and offer my services to the guys that responded. Win/Win!

/Break-ins are common in this neighborhood
//Would put a speaker in the garage too with an IR sensor.


Or: 10,000,000 bees in a nest that gets agitated when the sensors are tripped.
2012-12-27 05:12:12 AM
1 votes:

doglover: IED in the living room. Hear a noise? Press the plunger.


My cat would probably set it off. He's passive aggressive like that.
2012-12-27 05:05:55 AM
1 votes:

iq_in_binary: But then again, I'm the guy that focuses on avoiding the fight in the first place, and cheating wherever possible if it turns out the fight is unavoidable. Your average wannabe Rambo might be a little different. Although I do enjoy scaring the ever living fark out of people from time to time when they deserve it, might make me slightly Rambo-ish.


This is where we our opinions diverge. For home defense I have a double-barrel, side-by-side and a Saiga 12ga. I'd go for a pump-action, but I'd rather have semi-auto. Why? Because F*ck them, that's why. If someone were so sh*t-all stupid as to enter my home, I fully expect to lose my security deposit because there's a smoking pile of brains, eye-balls, blood, and fecal matter in the doorway.
2012-12-27 04:55:35 AM
1 votes:

namatad: Cubansaltyballs: Cup Check: Otherwise, the crime committed against me and mine IN MY HOME is stopped.

#000 buckshot. The trauma of ten #000 pellets tearing his face, neck, chest to pieces will stop an intruder, but will cost you your security deposit as the intruder's head comes apart like a watermelon at a Gallagher show. If you miss... the sound alone should be enough to make any intruder wish he stayed home that night.

In my home, I've got 11x rounds waiting for anyone foolish enough to think they can dodge 110x pellets the size of a 9mm round.

you know, I dont have a shot gun and well, I know nothing
so wikipedia .....
WTF, you werent even close to making that shiat up!
nice

would there be some benefit in using slightly smaller buck shot?
or is the goal in the end, quickly exploding heads with small chance of survival, which is a good thing in dealing with zombies/home invaders


Shotguns are nice because your intruder will most likely be leaving a steaming pile of whatever he had for lunch on the porch as he melts his soles trying to get the hell out of there.

Thieves have been known to defenestrate themselves at the mere sound of Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 racking a shell into the chamber. It's pretty much the most recognizable sound on earth. Next to a gun clearing a leather holster, and a hammer being cocked on a semi-auto or revolver. My favorite fight is one I never have to participate in, I hear someone who shouldn't be wandering around and the first thing on the checklist aside from pulling it out of the closet is racking my Reminton 870. Chances are I won't even have to leave the room, I'll hear pants filling noises and someone beating feet.

But then again, I'm the guy that focuses on avoiding the fight in the first place, and cheating wherever possible if it turns out the fight is unavoidable. Your average wannabe Rambo might be a little different. Although I do enjoy scaring the ever living fark out of people from time to time when they deserve it, might make me slightly Rambo-ish.
2012-12-27 01:48:12 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: GAT_00: The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.

strawman.


Seriously.

I have a gun in my house. Only my SO and my cousin that I occasionally go shooting with know it's here. I don't take it with me to work or around while running errands, so no, it doesn't stop crime.

But if some dickwad decides he wants to come in here in the middle of the night, he better have something that will stop a .45. If you aren't supposed to be in my house, I'll shoot to kill and ask questions later.

And don't stay with the "what if it's the cops" crap. I know what entails a no knock warrant execution. If a criminal is ingenious enough to rip through my security and front doors or come in through my backyard with 5 or 6 of his closest friends with flashlights and maybe a helicopter spotlight, we'll then, damn, I'm screwed.

Otherwise, the crime committed against me and mine IN MY HOME is stopped.
2012-12-27 12:51:51 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.


There are just as many glaring holes in the half of the arguments anti-gun people make. There's a reason it's called a CONCEALED carry license. When I was on the clock and running around gumshoing, yes I'd be openly carrying, because I'm  alreadya target and carrying it concealed would do absolutely nothing to sway the mind of a guy who thinks it's acceptable to come out the door with a baseball bat because you don't like the guy that just served you a huge garnishment. Nobody in their right mind, however, is going to do that when he knows the guy that just served him can easily perforate him. When I'm out and about, however? Say, taking my girlfriend out for dinner? I still need to have a good tool to defend myself with (when your living involves pissing people off, running into them at a restaurant can turn pear shaped quickly), but I don't want everybody to know I have a gun. Police frown on it, shoot people over it even, even law abiding citizens. People frown on it. Outside of Texas guns just aren't acceptable attire (I still have a wicked Bar-B-Q gun that always wins the gun peen contest).

If you think crap like this is OK, and believe contrived nonsense like the argument you just made, you're really performing some mental gymnastics. Would you approve of a public list of everyone who had an STD? You know, for public health reasons? This includes stuff like Herpes, the clap, anything that you could prevent from spreading by letting everybody out there know they have it? If you're not ok with that, why in the hell do you think this is acceptable.
2012-12-27 12:46:26 AM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Oh man, so many addresses have been released now.  I wonder where I'm going to start sending those pizzas first.


I'd like a pizza.

I'm a good tipper too - five bucks at least more if it is raining.
2012-12-27 12:32:57 AM
1 votes:
On a different note, is now a good time to start talking about the state of mental health care in this country, or are we still dead set on the whole 'gun' thing?
2012-12-27 12:27:42 AM
1 votes:

Triumph: William Randolph Hearst went to Harvard - he just wouldn't hire reporters who did, because he didn't pay them enough.


So, you're referring to, like, 90 years ago when none of us were alive?
2012-12-27 12:26:36 AM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: Triumph: Actually, there's a fair number of Ivy leaguers in the media these days, which never used to be the case.

[Dude, wait, what?


William Randolph Hearst went to Harvard - he just wouldn't hire reporters who did, because he didn't pay them enough.
2012-12-27 12:22:30 AM
1 votes:

Kimothy: How does CC prevent you from being shot? That's not what FM said at all.


You just tape it to the tactical armor that you wear everyday. It's right in the Field Manual.
2012-12-27 12:15:53 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger

How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?


No, because thieves like stealing firearms. Now you're just exposing my girlfriend to a dipshiat trying to break in when he thinks no one is home. I may be willing to shoot somebody, she's not.
2012-12-27 12:12:13 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Kimothy: Have to admit that's one of the best arguments I've heard in favor of concealed carry. I know several people with CC's and they've never explained it this way. It's always been "if I have to kill someone..." arguments, which really suck.

And so if you carry to prevent being shot, isn't making everyone aware that you have a gun making that less likely?  Isn't publishing the names of everyone who owns a gun something gun owners would want?


No, if I have to carry my gun in the open I become the first target.  Once they shoot me then everyone else is a sitting duck.   If a burglar knows a homeowner has a gun he will kill the homeowner before the burglary rather than simply locking them in a closet or something like that.

Just like the teachers were murdered in Newton before the criminal murdered the children.   They eliminate the greatest threat first.   The element of surprise when the owner pulls his gun from the nightstand or confronts a burglar on the stairs with his shotgun is imperative.  It can often save the life of the homeowner, and in many cases the criminal as they can see that a fight is futile.   I'd much rather have a criminal running out the front door after he sees my gun than have a shoot out in my living room.   If I can surprise the burglar with my gun we can both run different directions and get out of it alive.
2012-12-27 12:00:43 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger

How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?


It's been my experience - after living for years with relatives on the police force - that gun owners are the ones that live most in fear of others. Hence the need for a gun. So yeah, of course he assumes he's in danger.

//Sure he thinks he's one of the exceptions.
2012-12-26 11:59:45 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger

How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?


Nobody wants to shoot someone else.  That is what people have permits to carry a concealed gun - they don't want to be a target and they don't want the criminals to know they have a gun.   The element of surprise should be on the side of the law abiding citizen, not the criminal.

/not that you can see this since you ignore opinion and facts that differ from your warped world view.   Perhaps someone will quote it so you can ball your little fists up, start frothing at the mouth and post some of your usual nonsense in response.   Or not, either way is fine with me, I find you to be an amusing cog in the huge wheel of liberalism with all the other uninformed cogs.
2012-12-26 11:59:39 PM
1 votes:
So what? All the tough gun people gonna go hunt these people down now?

They'll just be shooting themselves in the foot.
2012-12-26 11:56:32 PM
1 votes:

Triumph: feckingmorons: Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.

I couldn't agree more. Instead of just stoking up the gun control blather, here's what real journalists would be chasing in the Sandy Hook shooting among many other things:

1. The guy they arrested in the woods at the edge of the school who was wearing camo and screaming "I didn't do it." Who is he? What's the story there?
2. What have they learned from security camera footage?
3. How was it that an untrained kid was able to be so deadly, with so many fatalities and so few wounded?
4. What's up with the car towed away from the scene that allegedly had the gun in the trunk? The license plate trace allegedly went out over police scanners and it may belong to a drug dealer - what's up with that?
5. What medications was the shooter on? What kind of psychiatric care was he receiving?
6. Why was it so quickly pronounced that the data from the shooter's hard drive is unrecoverable?

There's plenty more facts to chase, but you get the idea - there's a bona fide story to report, but it's hard to find anyone doing it.


The shooter was his brother, his mom was a teacher, there were 2 shooters, he murdered his father in NJ first, all crap the journalists told us.   The fourth estate used to be respected, journalism used to be a calling.  Now it is what the kids who can't get into anything else go for in college.

Breaking the law by bringing illegal magazines on TV to make a baseless argument, attempting to interview families the day after their children were murdered, journalists are less respected than used car salesmen and deservedly so.

When news stations interview someone on the scene, unless it is someone paid to talk to the media, the PIO of the police or fire department everyone scatters save the few toothless unwashed who want a chance to be seen on Eyewitness sort of made up facts at 11.   Normal people know that journalists will manipulate what they say, edit what they say to serve the journalist's purpose, or simply lie.   Why involve yourself in that.  If a journalist wants to interview you tell them to fark off, you can't be misquoted that way.
2012-12-26 11:08:36 PM
1 votes:

Triumph: Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.


No it this incident is about poor journalism and intimidation.    This particular journalistic creation of a news story, as opposed to what we normally believe to a journalist's job to be - objective reporting of the news, has been done before, including The Roanoke Times publishing of all the concealed weapons permit holders in Virgina at their newspaper website.   That of course turned out to be a colossal error and the data has been taken down; ostensibly because of errors, but the newspaper leaders and reporter had their personal information published online and were quite scared.  However no bomb was delivered to his home.

The newspaper of record in Memphis also did this.  Theirs is still up, but out of date as the residents of Tennessee urged their elected officials to make that information confidential and available to law enforcement only much like our driver license information has been for quite some time.   The Virginia and Tennessee newspapers publishing of such information was indeed the impetus of many state laws making that information confidential.

While you may have your own opinion on it, one that was shared by an unnamed young woman during a hearing in Tennessee is clearly an important message.   She said she followed all the laws, got her gun and permit legally because she feared her ex-husband.  He now knows where she lives because the newspaper acted without caring about women like her and now she has to move again.

Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.
2012-12-26 10:06:07 PM
1 votes:
Jesus, they're all farking children. Grow up, especially if you own a damn gun.
 
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