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2012-12-27 12:46:26 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Oh man, so many addresses have been released now.  I wonder where I'm going to start sending those pizzas first.


I'd like a pizza.

I'm a good tipper too - five bucks at least more if it is raining.
 
2012-12-27 12:47:50 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.

Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]


Yes, I'm sure some moron did post some macho bullshiat that they clearly don't have up at their house.

But the outrage to this makes no sense.  The whole concealed carry argument is that invisible guns make you safe, which is basically a religious argument - the unseen saves you, even though others don't know you're protected by the unseen.  If guns save you, it's because they are visible and known.  Logically the you would want your ownership to be known.
 
2012-12-27 12:51:51 AM  

GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.


There are just as many glaring holes in the half of the arguments anti-gun people make. There's a reason it's called a CONCEALED carry license. When I was on the clock and running around gumshoing, yes I'd be openly carrying, because I'm  alreadya target and carrying it concealed would do absolutely nothing to sway the mind of a guy who thinks it's acceptable to come out the door with a baseball bat because you don't like the guy that just served you a huge garnishment. Nobody in their right mind, however, is going to do that when he knows the guy that just served him can easily perforate him. When I'm out and about, however? Say, taking my girlfriend out for dinner? I still need to have a good tool to defend myself with (when your living involves pissing people off, running into them at a restaurant can turn pear shaped quickly), but I don't want everybody to know I have a gun. Police frown on it, shoot people over it even, even law abiding citizens. People frown on it. Outside of Texas guns just aren't acceptable attire (I still have a wicked Bar-B-Q gun that always wins the gun peen contest).

If you think crap like this is OK, and believe contrived nonsense like the argument you just made, you're really performing some mental gymnastics. Would you approve of a public list of everyone who had an STD? You know, for public health reasons? This includes stuff like Herpes, the clap, anything that you could prevent from spreading by letting everybody out there know they have it? If you're not ok with that, why in the hell do you think this is acceptable.
 
2012-12-27 12:53:17 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

rlv.zcache.com



The other side of that, the realistic side is: "I have at least one gun in my house and as soon as you watch me pull away for work you are free to break in and try to take it and use it on the streets for your nefarious purposes."
 
2012-12-27 12:54:44 AM  

R.A.Danny: I would think that any real journalist would respect the privacy of someone not directly making active news. Someone with an actual ax to grind or that wants to take advantage of a tragedy to get themselves noticed for their "work" shouldn't b surprised that they get some push back.


Unfortunately all the real journalists are dead.  Now it is 20 and 30 somethings that think they're going to change the world by exposing law abiding citizens as 'gun owners' as if there is something to be ashamed of in owning a gun.

The absurd excuse the paper gave is 'for the children' , they want to publish the names and addresses so parents know that it may not be safe to send their kids to play in the house where a parent legally owns a registered gun.

The paper is being used politically by those who want to encroach further on our freedoms enumerated in the Constitution.  They are but willing dupes who sincerely believe they are doing good by being so stupid.   Absolutely no gain, no civic betterment, no benefit, can be gained from what they did and their reason is laughable.  If your children go over to a neighbors to play you as a parent should know the neighbors and you should have visited their house so you could see if they have guns lying about where a child might access them.   No newspaper list of gun owners is going to help anyone be a better parent.
 
2012-12-27 12:58:57 AM  

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.

Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]

Yes, I'm sure some moron did post some macho bullshiat that they clearly don't have up at their house.

But the outrage to this makes no sense.  The whole concealed carry argument is that invisible guns make you safe, which is basically a religious argument - the unseen saves you, even though others don't know you're protected by the unseen.  If guns save you, it's because they are visible and known.  Logically the you would want your ownership to be known.


Yet another tack, you are indeed the drunken sailor of discourse.    You manage to work in your lack of religious faith, that must make you a celebrity among the other anti-religionists.

You claim you don't agree with the publishing of the names and addresses of gun owners then you claim the outrage makes no sense.  Which one is it, which opinion do you truly hold?  Is it that you've never had a thought or opinion of your own so you want to cover all the bases lest someone have an opinion that differs from yours?   Are you afraid of not being universally loved so you support or hate everything equally?   There is a word for that.
 
2012-12-27 01:09:10 AM  

violentsalvation: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

rlv.zcache.com


The other side of that, the realistic side is: "I have at least one gun in my house and as soon as you watch me pull away for work you are free to break in and try to take it and use it on the streets for your nefarious purposes."


Yes because in NY you can't carry that gun in your car or to work.  It is a premises permit.  The gun stays in the house.   Yes you can get a permit to carry a gun or a permit for a gun at your job, but you can also win the powerball and I think the odds of that are better, someone wins the power ball every few weeks.
 
2012-12-27 01:17:44 AM  

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.

Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]

Yes, I'm sure some moron did post some macho bullshiat that they clearly don't have up at their house.

But the outrage to this makes no sense.  The whole concealed carry argument is that invisible guns make you safe, which is basically a religious argument - the unseen saves you, even though others don't know you're protected by the unseen.  If guns save you, it's because they are visible and known.  Logically the you would want your ownership to be known.


That isn't always the case though, it is not that simple. We can't carry a gun everywhere we go. I sure as hell don't want to carry a gun everywhere I go. I should be able to leave it at home and not have advertised on the news that a gun or guns are home alone. There are very very few times I actually bring along a gun for personal protection (Hiking in the mountains near the AZ/ Mexico border and under the arm rest of the car on a road trip within the state are pretty much it, the latter because why not? It can sit there). And personal protection is not always the reason someone owns a pistol, but those people made the news and became a target, too. The outrage makes plenty of sense. I don't want my home broken into, my guns stolen, and people in Mexico to die, shot dead with my guns because some journalist has an anti-gun agenda.

I'm glad we don't have to register our guns here, and I've found my reason for being against that push.
 
2012-12-27 01:27:26 AM  

Rincewind53: It was all public information, Mr. ITG. All they did was put it on a map.


You have a lot of public information, too. Your name, address, employer, employer's address, every comment on fark, names and ages of any relatives, etc.

Your life can be ruined.
 
2012-12-27 01:32:58 AM  

GAT_00: The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.


strawman.
 
2012-12-27 01:48:12 AM  

log_jammin: GAT_00: The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.

strawman.


Seriously.

I have a gun in my house. Only my SO and my cousin that I occasionally go shooting with know it's here. I don't take it with me to work or around while running errands, so no, it doesn't stop crime.

But if some dickwad decides he wants to come in here in the middle of the night, he better have something that will stop a .45. If you aren't supposed to be in my house, I'll shoot to kill and ask questions later.

And don't stay with the "what if it's the cops" crap. I know what entails a no knock warrant execution. If a criminal is ingenious enough to rip through my security and front doors or come in through my backyard with 5 or 6 of his closest friends with flashlights and maybe a helicopter spotlight, we'll then, damn, I'm screwed.

Otherwise, the crime committed against me and mine IN MY HOME is stopped.
 
2012-12-27 02:12:18 AM  

Cup Check: Otherwise, the crime committed against me and mine IN MY HOME is stopped.


#000 buckshot. The trauma of ten #000 pellets tearing his face, neck, chest to pieces will stop an intruder, but will cost you your security deposit as the intruder's head comes apart like a watermelon at a Gallagher show. If you miss... the sound alone should be enough to make any intruder wish he stayed home that night.

In my home, I've got 11x rounds waiting for anyone foolish enough to think they can dodge 110x pellets the size of a 9mm round.
 
2012-12-27 02:13:31 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Who knew this would end badly? Oh yeah.

Have fun with this, both sides of this crap.


IIRC, you were in the service at some point. Firearms are sort of what you all do ( I grew up in the service, but never actually served). Guns were around me all the damned time, so you could say that I'm sort of accustomed to them.

 I'm a staunch, fire-spitting liberal, but I'm pro-gun for pragmatic reasons. No one is coming for the sidearm I keep in the bedroom. This whole discussion is farking retarded, on both sides (both sides are bad so vote [insert] in case you haven't heard].

 Remember, this is America, and we'll soon forget about all this. You and I will continue having a pistol. Ralph over there will still be able to hunt. This is just hysteria, and nothing more.
 
2012-12-27 02:16:09 AM  

dickfreckle: This whole discussion is farking retarded, on both sides


can't argue with that.
 
2012-12-27 03:46:09 AM  
I don't see anyone blaming the State of New York for making the names and addresses of gun owners public information.

Which is really a pity.
 
2012-12-27 04:00:28 AM  
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2012-12-27 04:25:23 AM  

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.

Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]

Yes, I'm sure some moron did post some macho bullshiat that they clearly don't have up at their house.

But the outrage to this makes no sense.  The whole concealed carry argument is that invisible guns make you safe, which is basically a religious argument - the unseen saves you, even though others don't know you're protected by the unseen.  If guns save you, it's because they are visible and known.  Logically the you would want your ownership to be known.


I would have thought you would be getting smarter as you get older, but your derp instead grows stronger.
 
2012-12-27 04:33:46 AM  
Next, I hope they post a list of everyone with 1967 GTOs. My friend lives up that way and can use some parts. I'm sure they can find some guy at the local YMCA who's curious about Pontiac ownership in the area to justify publishing it all, and GM owners are laid back and wouldn't feel at all singled out by it.
 
2012-12-27 04:37:32 AM  

GAT_00: But the outrage to this makes no sense.  The whole concealed carry argument is that invisible guns make you safe, which is basically a religious argument - the unseen saves you, even though others don't know you're protected by the unseen.  If guns save you, it's because they are visible and known.  Logically the you would want your ownership to be known.


except that there is tons of evidence that it does.
the classic car jacking in floriduh vs carjacking in chicago.
the grannies with their hands in their fannie packs.

The possible increased risk of getting shot does deter some crime.

If you were a thief casing suburban homes and you know these 4 have guns in them and these 4 dont have guns, you will avoid the gun homes, unless you are there to rob guns ... ROFL

on the other hand, I live on the end of the hall on the 20th floor, by the time the thieves/zombies get up the high they will be tired.
 
2012-12-27 04:43:12 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Cup Check: Otherwise, the crime committed against me and mine IN MY HOME is stopped.

#000 buckshot. The trauma of ten #000 pellets tearing his face, neck, chest to pieces will stop an intruder, but will cost you your security deposit as the intruder's head comes apart like a watermelon at a Gallagher show. If you miss... the sound alone should be enough to make any intruder wish he stayed home that night.

In my home, I've got 11x rounds waiting for anyone foolish enough to think they can dodge 110x pellets the size of a 9mm round.


you know, I dont have a shot gun and well, I know nothing
so wikipedia .....
WTF, you werent even close to making that shiat up!
nice

would there be some benefit in using slightly smaller buck shot?
or is the goal in the end, quickly exploding heads with small chance of survival, which is a good thing in dealing with zombies/home invaders
 
2012-12-27 04:50:40 AM  

namatad: would there be some benefit in using slightly smaller buck shot?
or is the goal in the end, quickly exploding heads with small chance of survival, which is a good thing in dealing with zombies/home invaders


I choose #000 for a few reasons. I'm going to fire a shotgun, so stopping-power/spread is important. I'd either go with #00 buck with 15x pellets or #000 buck with 10 pellets. Personally, the idea of emptying a 10rd magazine of 9mm for every pull of the trigger is appealing to me. Most people are good shots, and I am too, but a high-stress home-invasion is different from the range. So while some prefer handguns for home defense, I prefer shotguns.

Another reason is noise. Dear god, I can't imagine the sound of firing #000 indoors or at close range or worse... standing downrange from it. The sound of a 10x pellet #000 buck round going off sounds like a grenade. It's startling the first time you fire it. If someone was coming into your home and you fired that at them, it would either A) tear them to pieces or B) Make them think you fired a mortar round at them. Either way, that bastard will know he made a big mistake in will rethink his life's choices if he survives.
 
2012-12-27 04:55:35 AM  

namatad: Cubansaltyballs: Cup Check: Otherwise, the crime committed against me and mine IN MY HOME is stopped.

#000 buckshot. The trauma of ten #000 pellets tearing his face, neck, chest to pieces will stop an intruder, but will cost you your security deposit as the intruder's head comes apart like a watermelon at a Gallagher show. If you miss... the sound alone should be enough to make any intruder wish he stayed home that night.

In my home, I've got 11x rounds waiting for anyone foolish enough to think they can dodge 110x pellets the size of a 9mm round.

you know, I dont have a shot gun and well, I know nothing
so wikipedia .....
WTF, you werent even close to making that shiat up!
nice

would there be some benefit in using slightly smaller buck shot?
or is the goal in the end, quickly exploding heads with small chance of survival, which is a good thing in dealing with zombies/home invaders


Shotguns are nice because your intruder will most likely be leaving a steaming pile of whatever he had for lunch on the porch as he melts his soles trying to get the hell out of there.

Thieves have been known to defenestrate themselves at the mere sound of Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 racking a shell into the chamber. It's pretty much the most recognizable sound on earth. Next to a gun clearing a leather holster, and a hammer being cocked on a semi-auto or revolver. My favorite fight is one I never have to participate in, I hear someone who shouldn't be wandering around and the first thing on the checklist aside from pulling it out of the closet is racking my Reminton 870. Chances are I won't even have to leave the room, I'll hear pants filling noises and someone beating feet.

But then again, I'm the guy that focuses on avoiding the fight in the first place, and cheating wherever possible if it turns out the fight is unavoidable. Your average wannabe Rambo might be a little different. Although I do enjoy scaring the ever living fark out of people from time to time when they deserve it, might make me slightly Rambo-ish.
 
2012-12-27 04:58:29 AM  

namatad: the goal in the end, quickly exploding heads with small chance of survival, which is a good thing in dealing with zombies/home invaders


Headshots are for movies and swordplay.

Projectiles should go towards the center of mass. If you get a shot right in the solar plexus area, even if you're off by an inch or five, you'll still do some harm. Zombies aren't real and even if they were you'll miss more heads than torsos.
 
2012-12-27 05:02:29 AM  
If the newspaper wanted to be helpful they could have published a map of domestic violence offenders.

Nothing gets a guy to behave more than the prospect of never getting laid again unless he gets his shiat together.
 
2012-12-27 05:05:55 AM  

iq_in_binary: But then again, I'm the guy that focuses on avoiding the fight in the first place, and cheating wherever possible if it turns out the fight is unavoidable. Your average wannabe Rambo might be a little different. Although I do enjoy scaring the ever living fark out of people from time to time when they deserve it, might make me slightly Rambo-ish.


This is where we our opinions diverge. For home defense I have a double-barrel, side-by-side and a Saiga 12ga. I'd go for a pump-action, but I'd rather have semi-auto. Why? Because F*ck them, that's why. If someone were so sh*t-all stupid as to enter my home, I fully expect to lose my security deposit because there's a smoking pile of brains, eye-balls, blood, and fecal matter in the doorway.
 
2012-12-27 05:07:57 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: iq_in_binary: But then again, I'm the guy that focuses on avoiding the fight in the first place, and cheating wherever possible if it turns out the fight is unavoidable. Your average wannabe Rambo might be a little different. Although I do enjoy scaring the ever living fark out of people from time to time when they deserve it, might make me slightly Rambo-ish.

This is where we our opinions diverge. For home defense I have a double-barrel, side-by-side and a Saiga 12ga. I'd go for a pump-action, but I'd rather have semi-auto. Why? Because F*ck them, that's why. If someone were so sh*t-all stupid as to enter my home, I fully expect to lose my security deposit because there's a smoking pile of brains, eye-balls, blood, and fecal matter in the doorway.


IED in the living room. Hear a noise? Press the plunger.
 
2012-12-27 05:11:57 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: iq_in_binary: But then again, I'm the guy that focuses on avoiding the fight in the first place, and cheating wherever possible if it turns out the fight is unavoidable. Your average wannabe Rambo might be a little different. Although I do enjoy scaring the ever living fark out of people from time to time when they deserve it, might make me slightly Rambo-ish.

This is where we our opinions diverge. For home defense I have a double-barrel, side-by-side and a Saiga 12ga. I'd go for a pump-action, but I'd rather have semi-auto. Why? Because F*ck them, that's why. If someone were so sh*t-all stupid as to enter my home, I fully expect to lose my security deposit because there's a smoking pile of brains, eye-balls, blood, and fecal matter in the doorway.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

All the benefits of getting the guy out of the house without leaving the room, without any of the downsides of a pump.

I'll probably own one eventually, mainly because it could serve so many different purposes and I'm willing to bet one of my wood furniture treatments would make the thing beeeeee-autiful.
 
2012-12-27 05:12:12 AM  

doglover: IED in the living room. Hear a noise? Press the plunger.


My cat would probably set it off. He's passive aggressive like that.
 
2012-12-27 05:18:25 AM  

Gulper Eel: If the newspaper wanted to be helpful they could have published a map of domestic violence offenders.

Nothing gets a guy to behave more than the prospect of never getting laid again unless he gets his shiat together.


http://marriage.about.com/cs/prisonmarriage/ht/prisonmarriage.htm
 
2012-12-27 05:23:13 AM  

iq_in_binary: encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

All the benefits of getting the guy out of the house without leaving the room, without any of the downsides of a pump.

I'll probably own one eventually, mainly because it could serve so many different purposes and I'm willing to bet one of my wood furniture treatments would make the thing beeeeee-autiful.


While I agree, that's a nice weapon... I have zero interest in the guy leaving. They'd probably catch the guy. I'd have to show up to court which means I'd have to look for parking, bring change for the parking meter. Blah. Just not worth it.

I'd prefer to just remove the guy with a shovel and a few Glad bags before I forfeit my security deposit because they have to replace the carpet and paint the place before I move because my apt would become the Overlook Hotel.... and I don't really want my cat walking around saying "redrum" and seeing brains on the wall that aren't there anymore, because he "Shines".
 
2012-12-27 05:24:34 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: doglover: IED in the living room. Hear a noise? Press the plunger.

My cat would probably set it off. He's passive aggressive like that.


Besides, sounds are far scarier. I've long toyed with the idea of planting speakers at various places in the house that have a NetDuino system to play a recording of me racking a shotgun and going off on some Liam Neeson-esque dialog about how what he just heard hit the floor was a round of buckshot and the round now in the chamber was a pig sticker slug (plastic slugs used by the Marines, known for their lack of over-penetration, whereas lead slugs suuuuuuck for keeping a security deposit). I figure by the time I get to explaining the pig sticker the guy would be shiatting his pants, and with a NetDuino I could set up an automated call to the cops with an old Nokia using the same tactics to arrive about the time he started running.

Wouldn't even have to pull the shotgun out of the closet then, just hit a button on my nightstand. Make some coffee for the poor guy who had to clean the shiat out of the back of his cruiser, and offer my services to the guys that responded. Win/Win!

/Break-ins are common in this neighborhood
//Would put a speaker in the garage too with an IR sensor.
 
2012-12-27 05:25:45 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: iq_in_binary: encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

All the benefits of getting the guy out of the house without leaving the room, without any of the downsides of a pump.

I'll probably own one eventually, mainly because it could serve so many different purposes and I'm willing to bet one of my wood furniture treatments would make the thing beeeeee-autiful.

While I agree, that's a nice weapon... I have zero interest in the guy leaving. They'd probably catch the guy. I'd have to show up to court which means I'd have to look for parking, bring change for the parking meter. Blah. Just not worth it.

I'd prefer to just remove the guy with a shovel and a few Glad bags before I forfeit my security deposit because they have to replace the carpet and paint the place before I move because my apt would become the Overlook Hotel.... and I don't really want my cat walking around saying "redrum" and seeing brains on the wall that aren't there anymore, because he "Shines".


All cats are basically Stalin on paws. They wouldn't say "REDRUM" they'd say "Aw, and nobody invited me."
 
2012-12-27 05:37:38 AM  

iq_in_binary: Cubansaltyballs: doglover: IED in the living room. Hear a noise? Press the plunger.

My cat would probably set it off. He's passive aggressive like that.

Besides, sounds are far scarier. I've long toyed with the idea of planting speakers at various places in the house that have a NetDuino system to play a recording of me racking a shotgun and going off on some Liam Neeson-esque dialog about how what he just heard hit the floor was a round of buckshot and the round now in the chamber was a pig sticker slug (plastic slugs used by the Marines, known for their lack of over-penetration, whereas lead slugs suuuuuuck for keeping a security deposit). I figure by the time I get to explaining the pig sticker the guy would be shiatting his pants, and with a NetDuino I could set up an automated call to the cops with an old Nokia using the same tactics to arrive about the time he started running.

Wouldn't even have to pull the shotgun out of the closet then, just hit a button on my nightstand. Make some coffee for the poor guy who had to clean the shiat out of the back of his cruiser, and offer my services to the guys that responded. Win/Win!

/Break-ins are common in this neighborhood
//Would put a speaker in the garage too with an IR sensor.


Or: 10,000,000 bees in a nest that gets agitated when the sensors are tripped.
 
2012-12-27 05:52:00 AM  

feckingmorons: Triumph: Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.

No it this incident is about poor journalism and intimidation.    This particular journalistic creation of a news story, as opposed to what we normally believe to a journalist's job to be - objective reporting of the news, has been done before, including The Roanoke Times publishing of all the concealed weapons permit holders in Virgina at their newspaper website.   That of course turned out to be a colossal error and the data has been taken down; ostensibly because of errors, but the newspaper leaders and reporter had their personal information published online and were quite scared.  However no bomb was delivered to his home.

The newspaper of record in Memphis also did this.  Theirs is still up, but out of date as the residents of Tennessee urged their elected officials to make that information confidential and available to law enforcement only much like our driver license information has been for quite some time.   The Virginia and Tennessee newspapers publishing of such information was indeed the impetus of many state laws making that information confidential.

While you may have your own opinion on it, one that was shared by an unnamed young woman during a hearing in Tennessee is clearly an important message.   She said she followed all the laws, got her gun and permit legally because she feared her ex-husband.   He now knows where she lives because the newspaper acted without caring about women like her and now she has to move again.

Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.


So much this. That's why I have a concealed weapons permit. My ex went to prison for trying to kill me. He has been out for a while now and is a hazard to me every day he breathes. If I were actively hiding from him, which I am not because he knows I carry and  knows I will not hesitate to shoot him, and someone posted my address like that, I'd be MAD. I'd be beyond mad. I'm not sure "livid" would even cover it. The word to describe my reaction simply doesn't exist, I don't think.

Those journalists are idiots and should have considered how their actions may impact others, but apparently that is too much to ask from most people anymore.

/feels old and tired now
//and sad for anyone who was trying to hide for their own safety
 
2012-12-27 05:58:18 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: feckingmorons: Triumph: Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.

No it this incident is about poor journalism and intimidation.    This particular journalistic creation of a news story, as opposed to what we normally believe to a journalist's job to be - objective reporting of the news, has been done before, including The Roanoke Times publishing of all the concealed weapons permit holders in Virgina at their newspaper website.   That of course turned out to be a colossal error and the data has been taken down; ostensibly because of errors, but the newspaper leaders and reporter had their personal information published online and were quite scared.  However no bomb was delivered to his home.

The newspaper of record in Memphis also did this.  Theirs is still up, but out of date as the residents of Tennessee urged their elected officials to make that information confidential and available to law enforcement only much like our driver license information has been for quite some time.   The Virginia and Tennessee newspapers publishing of such information was indeed the impetus of many state laws making that information confidential.

While you may have your own opinion on it, one that was shared by an unnamed young woman during a hearing in Tennessee is clearly an important message.   She said she followed all the laws, got her gun and permit legally because she feared her ex-husband.   He now knows where she lives because the newspaper acted without caring about women like her and now she has to move again.

Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.

So much this. That's why I have a concealed weapons permit. My ex went to pri ...


Which is why my counter-attack would be overwhelming. There is no end to the personal information I can get on them as a specialist in the field, and they need to learn to quit this shiat. I've been playing nice with the lawyers, but when some asshat journalist decides to out me? I'm going to absolutely ruin his life, and that of everyone around him. This shiat needs to stop. It's one thing to have a political message, it's quite another to put people in danger intentionally.
 
2012-12-27 06:25:16 AM  

iq_in_binary: Which is why my counter-attack would be overwhelming. There is no end to the personal information I can get on them as a specialist in the field, and they need to learn to quit this shiat. I've been playing nice with the lawyers, but when some asshat journalist decides to out me? I'm going to absolutely ruin his life, and that of everyone around him. This shiat needs to stop. It's one thing to have a political message, it's quite another to put people in danger intentionally.


I would support you 100% in that. If you inadvertently violated any laws, I'd even put money on your account in jail and visit you.

Orders of protection are not magical force fields that keep you safe, so I had to go beyond that. I have better tools to protect myself now.  I'm still terrified of my ex. He's out of prison, mentally unstable, doesn't take his meds and has already tried to kill me once - why wouldn't  I be terrified? I'm not real down with people outing those who are trying to hide. I agree the shiat needs to stop.

I still do think everyone should be required to do what I did and take classes and pass tests (which I did for myself), but I do not think gun owners' lives should be put in danger or that they should be demonized simply for owning guns or having a concealed carry permit. That's just sheer douchebaggery right there.
 
2012-12-27 06:35:20 AM  

Triumph: Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.


Nah - thieves are greedy and willing to take calculated risks. Guns are the single most valuable commodity on the black market, and are the best burglar-bait there is. A gun in a empty house is a threat to no one but the victim of the criminal who will eventually buy it from the fence a thief sells it to.
 
2012-12-27 06:36:33 AM  
One is an implied threat and one isn't. Not the same at all. God, I hope civil war II comes soon.
 
2012-12-27 06:37:58 AM  
I think they should publish a list of all houses with swimming pools, seeing as those kill more children than firearms.

I wanted to do something grumbly about Jenny McCarthy's cause or Barbara Streisand's diet, but swimming pools are a real killer.
 
2012-12-27 06:38:13 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: iq_in_binary: Which is why my counter-attack would be overwhelming. There is no end to the personal information I can get on them as a specialist in the field, and they need to learn to quit this shiat. I've been playing nice with the lawyers, but when some asshat journalist decides to out me? I'm going to absolutely ruin his life, and that of everyone around him. This shiat needs to stop. It's one thing to have a political message, it's quite another to put people in danger intentionally.

I would support you 100% in that. If you inadvertently violated any laws, I'd even put money on your account in jail and visit you.

Orders of protection are not magical force fields that keep you safe, so I had to go beyond that. I have better tools to protect myself now.  I'm still terrified of my ex. He's out of prison, mentally unstable, doesn't take his meds and has already tried to kill me once - why wouldn't  I be terrified? I'm not real down with people outing those who are trying to hide. I agree the shiat needs to stop.

I still do think everyone should be required to do what I did and take classes and pass tests (which I did for myself), but I do not think gun owners' lives should be put in danger or that they should be demonized simply for owning guns or having a concealed carry permit. That's just sheer douchebaggery right there.


Knowing what I know, and how capable of finding information as I am, I tend to keep a "No Prisoners, Kill everyone" point of view on the subject. Nor am I alien to the licensing idea, hence my suggestion of expanding the NFA. These poeple were straight dicks. They deserve every ounce of bad news headed their way. They need to be taught a lesson. They should be thankful I didn't end up on that list, because they very well would end up suffering for it, if not their kids. Actions need to have consequences, they were too stupid to think that through and they deserve the anguish of their kids suffering for it, if for no other reason than they tried to make mine suffer.

fark these people, they deserve no pity whatsoever for whatever happens to them.
 
2012-12-27 06:41:34 AM  

iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.


Internet tough guy detected!

Listen, moron, PUBLIC RECORDS are already public! PUBLIC! PUBLICPUBLICPUBLIC! THEY ARE ALREADY PUBLISHED!
 
2012-12-27 06:45:34 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Next, they'll be printing huge books of people's addresses and phone numbers.


You, sir, win the thread.

You may pick your prize from any of the items in Drew's home. (I hope you like empty maker's mark bottles)
 
2012-12-27 06:48:55 AM  

ghare: iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.

Internet tough guy detected!

Listen, moron, PUBLIC RECORDS are already public! PUBLIC! PUBLICPUBLICPUBLIC! THEY ARE ALREADY PUBLISHED!


No, public records are public but most don't know or think of ways to use them nefariously because they are NOT published in the GODDAMN NEWSPAPER (or on the Internet, or wherever).

It was a bad idea to out gun owners, its a bad idea to out the papers staff.
People need to grow up.
 
2012-12-27 06:49:10 AM  
Journalism seems to have one intent and that is "how can we alarm people today?" by making news where there is none and combining it with real news in such a way as to cause unease and (they think) a dependency on the media for more news. If the headline is alarmist, I don't read the article. Whatever the blaring headline says is usually buried in the story and is inconsequential other than to make an attention grabbing banner. Drudge is the worst (or best) at this. Damn shame - what news organizations have become.
 
2012-12-27 06:50:42 AM  
Public info, non-story.

I wish my newspaper published names and addresses of CCW holders about twice a year.

Every single person I know who has more than 3 guns shouldn't have any. I bet most of them carry, too.

\gun owner
 
2012-12-27 06:54:59 AM  

way south: ghare: iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.

Internet tough guy detected!

Listen, moron, PUBLIC RECORDS are already public! PUBLIC! PUBLICPUBLICPUBLIC! THEY ARE ALREADY PUBLISHED!

No, public records are public but most don't know or think of ways to use them nefariously because they are NOT published in the GODDAMN NEWSPAPER (or on the Internet, or wherever).

It was a bad idea to out gun owners, its a bad idea to out the papers staff.
People need to grow up.


Retaliation needs to happen, or they will think it is a good idea in the future.

I wasn't a part of what was outed, but if I was I would not stop until something bad happened to them to teach them a lesson. This shiat needs to stop, I've seen it happen 5 times already just in my adult life. Until these farkers suffer the consequences of what can happen to the people they jut published on, this shiat will not stop. The last one caught a girl that was trying to keep away from her abusive husband. Until they all or at least some of them suffer the consequences of something like that, they don't deserve any farking quarter. Them and their families are open to anything in retaliation as far as I'm concerned.They need to feel the ramifications of their actions.

fark their rights, they violated that of thousands. They get to suffer every god damned ramification of having the same thing done of them.
 
2012-12-27 06:58:09 AM  
I'm surprised no one has posted the #1 derp from the comment section.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-27 06:59:23 AM  
pjmedia.com
 
2012-12-27 07:03:41 AM  
It must suck to live in some piece of trash neighborhood where a GED is an accomplishment, you aren't a day's drive from an ocean, turning left is a sport, and God is something other than an obvious attempt of humanity to humor itself about death and morality.

Me, I get up every day in a place where not only is a gun not necessary for anyone, it's not even considered. We are just educated, busy people who just live life without masturbatory fantasies of cowboys and indians. As much as I like to wish you or more realistically your progeny to extract yourselves from this redneck stupor, it really is for the best for all the sooner your genetic line finds a pistol on the seat of the pickup and mercifully smears their nervous tissue harmlessly about the cabin.

Dark ages people with old ways of thinking need to go away so the actual future of humanity can move on.
 
2012-12-27 07:04:18 AM  
it was rude to publish information about the gun owners.
but I'm surprisingly okay with like-retaliation
 the media isn't (for the most part) on the side of the gun owner, policeman etc.
The mainstream news is about sensationalism, doomsaying, personal agenda
so if it gets people bent, but isn't truly against the law, they're in.
Though I certainly hope that nobody is targeted of either group from the information published
This includes women who are armed to avoid crazy/abusive former spouses

on a happy note, I got a mare's leg for christmas!
 
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